Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Elektra, I was born in India, but have lived in England since 1968. My teachers (Jack and John) were English, but my Grand Master (Swami Dev Murti Ji) is Indian. I stayed with the Grand Master for the whole of 1987, to learn further about Yoga and help with the lectures, workshops, etc . The Yoga students are from all backgrounds and all ages. I agree with you that *Surrender* is sufficient to summarise the Kundalini process, when one understands the general process in its entirety. However, most people need a bit more information (for example this group has the Safeties), hence my summary in five points. To expand upon the reasons for the five points, people tend to think about the process too much, which distracts them from proper progress, or they try to force the Kundalini activity to start (or stop if they have had too much!) which causes an unnecessary conflict with the natural processes. Also, people tend to get too tense physically/mentally/higher, and they don't let the natural events come to a natural conclusion because they get curious, scared, or frightened. Have you tried " breathing through the Third Eye " meditation? Bhavin TheYogaMan > Dear Bhavin, > > Wow, what a wonderful introduction, so much > information to share, thank you so much. > I really enjoyed to read your post and get to know you > a little. > Where do you live? Are you from India? > > I only ask as it's not very usual for children in the > west to learn yoga so young. shame really. > > As for your 5 advices on how to handle kundalini > activation, we have one word here that sums it all up. > " SURRENDER " . > One of the most important parts of the process is to > learn surrender, complete surrender. > > Many thanks and welcome. > Love Elektra x x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Hello YogaMan and thanks for your insightful introduction. Although our paths are decidedly different I can relate in essence to a lot of what you say. The fundamental path of spirituality is self-realization. A beautiful paradox that, as to realize one's self is to realize there is no self, LOL. Anyway, this necessitates going deep within and connecting with truths and translating this birthed knowledge into wisdom that our conscious perception may recognize and grow. There are no shortcuts. We must do the work our self. Answers do not exist outside – they all exist within. As chrism says, there are many distractions in our modern society, so it is a blessing to have a support network such as this group to offer encouragement and friendship and guidance for others who walk the path by our sides. You will find chrism a wonderful teacher and friend, full of selfless wisdom and a passion for raising the frequency of us all, so kundalini and love may lift us towards oneness. Welcome once again. , " Bhavin Desai " <bhavin.desai wrote: > > Namaste, > > This is my introduction. It is a bit wild and random (since there is no > time to properly polish the prose), but I hope you find it interesting. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Hi Yoga man, What a very interesting and informative post. I am new here too. I havnt contributed much at this point but intend to jump in somwhere along the way. In the meantime I am acquainting myself with this wonderful site and reading all the loving posts. This is a beautiful group! Valerie **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Welcome Bhavin! Your experience will be a good addition to our group! Thank you for sharing your insights. Blessings & love to you, Claudia Bhavin Desai <bhavin.desai wrote: Namaste, This is my introduction. It is a bit wild and random (since there is no time to properly polish the prose), but I hope you find it interesting. I started practising Yoga before the age of 8 (around 1970), was teaching Yoga by the age of about 20, and had definitive Kundalini Yoga related experiences by the age of about 24. (All ages are approximate since there were some overlapping events.) Since around 1998, I have been on various Kundalini related newsgroups and have looked at numerous Kundalini related websites. In 2003, in order to demonstrate the main principles of the Yoga as taught by my Grand Master, I created my non-commercial mini-website: <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bhavin.desai/> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bhavin.desai/ ------------- The general pattern for my Kundalini activity is as follows: 1. I start off by experiencing something inspirational (eg Yoga, meditation, music, reading). 2. This triggers various *dynamic* Kriyas and Mudras, together with " crazy " bliss & ecstasy. 3. Then there is a frozen or " statue " phase with *static* Mudras, together with " serene " bliss & ecstasy. The above process was not learnt, it just happened and evolved, although I have subsequently seen such descriptions (eg <http://www.danielodier.com/SPANISH/Texts/Spandakarika_e.html> http://www.danielodier.com/SPANISH/Texts/Spandakarika_e.html), which I found strangely re-assuring. I can even go though the above process while watching TV. This would definitely NOT have met my own approval (let alone anyone else's) a few years ago!!! Imagine watching the News (or a series/film) while in a state of trance!!! It's quite good in one way since I feel that I have merged with the TV and I am in the program. During Kundalini activity, I often feel that a period of one or two hours is just like a few minutes. It is so peaceful, wonderful and blissful that I really don't want to stop, although I am in control and can stop at any point. At present I am extremely satisfied with the Natural, Spontaneous, Automatic processes that are occurring. The feelings and experiences are in line with those reported by others who have experiences such states. There was a Chi Kung (= QiGong) book that also described similar experiences in the context of " Standing on Stake " and " Secret Shaolin " techniques. Knowing that information in its detail and its consistency, from a completely different context, was also quite comforting. ------------- When I am in the process of going to sleep, there is a period of a few minutes where I am neither awake nor sleeping. In that latter part of that period the Kundalini Shakti becomes active, and I get the characteristic sinusoidal shaking or wriggling of the spinal chord. Like a Snake Dance. Depending on the sleeping posture the wriggling could be side to side, or forwards and backwards. There is an initial explosion or burst of energy, followed by the rapid continuous automagic wriggling action. This can continue for several minutes, it's hard to remember exactly because the next step is usually sleep. The style and technique of the above spontaneous Kundalini Shakti Kriya is similar to Kriyas that are generated or triggered by music, meditation, reading, etc. It gives a euphoric or ecstatic feeling, and there is no desire at all for it to stop. ------------- The best advice, regarding Kundalini related events, from my Yoga Master is " you [should just] keep it " . I didn't understand this clear and simple advice at the time (over 8 years ago) since I was expecting some complex and sophisticated response to my penetrating questions about Kundalini Kriyas and Mudras. However, I now understand his advice to mean that various events will occur (with different experiences for different people) but the key is to stay calm and relaxed so that the natural processes that are occurring have time to be completed correctly. Don't focus too much on the detail of the various events, this will be a distraction for you. For example, in the early stages, I got excessively fascinated by the spontaneous hand Mudras that were occurring (for some examples, see my webpage mentioned above). I must have unnecessarily bored my family, relatives, friends, and various newsgroups with numerous detailed descriptions and further questions. Doh!!! The main problem for people experiencing these events for the first time is that they get scared or startled (or try to over-analyse what is happening) and hence " lose it " , thus delaying their progress. In summary, during Kundalini related events, the general advice is: 1. Don't think (too much). 2. Don't force (either way). 3. Stay relaxed (physically). 4. Stay calm (mentally & above). 5. Allow for the completion of natural events. Item 5 is the most important requirement, and the previous four items are the supporting factors. After a while, depending on too many factors to mention, you will find that you can " steer " the events to some extent and hence have some control over the feelings of bliss and ecstasy. Most people starting on the Kundalini path get a hunger for knowledge. My advice in relation to Kundalini Yoga books (limited to only the 5 best, in my opinion) is to read: Kundalini Yoga http://www.dlshq.org/download/kundalini.pdf Hatha Yoga Pradipika http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/HathaYogaPradipika.pdf Gheranda Samhita (Partial) http://www.yogavidya.com/Yoga/GherandaSamhita.pdf " Song of the Sacred Tremor " http://www.danielodier.com/SPANISH/Texts/Spandakarika_e.html Sutras of the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, translated by Swami Lakshmanjoo http://www.universalshaivafellowship.org/ full text is available at http://www.oshonow.net/vbt.htm ------------- Please feel free to comment. Good Luck [i think the word Luck comes from Lakhsmi (pronounced " luxmee " ) Goddess of Wealth, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi for information] Bhavin TheYogaMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Welcome YogaMan! I look forward to getting to know you and hearing of your experiences. Sarita , " Bhavin Desai " <bhavin.desai wrote: > > Jen, > > The reason for " TheYogaMan " is that most people cannot remember my name, so > when they arrive at a Yoga session or there is a synchronicity- induced > random meeting, the first question they ask is " Are you the Yoga man? " . > Since my resposne is " Yes, I am the Yoga man " , I might as well have the > title/moniker TheYogaMan as a back up mechanism! > > Bhavin > TheYogaMan > > > > Welcome Bhavin, or do you prefer TheYogaMan? I'm in a bit of a rush > > myself, but at least wanted to say hi and welcome! love & light ~Jen~ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Hi Bhavin, I know this name well actually, I had a work colleage called Bhavin. I also come from England but live in Asia now. I have not tried the breathing though the 3rd eye as I don't not want to create a headache and I have heard to do this kind of meditation can do this , so no I haven't tried this. Have you tried this and do you recommend it? Nice to have you here Bhavin!!! Welcome again. Love Elektra x x x _________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Welcome YogaMan, thanks for all the info. Looking forward to getting to know you better. Linda , " Bhavin Desai " <bhavin.desai wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > This is my introduction. It is a bit wild and random (since there is no > time to properly polish the prose), but I hope you find it interesting. > > > > I started practising Yoga before the age of 8 (around 1970), was teaching > Yoga by the age of about 20, and had definitive Kundalini Yoga related > experiences by the age of about 24. (All ages are approximate since there > were some overlapping events.) Since around 1998, I have been on various > Kundalini related newsgroups and have looked at numerous Kundalini related > websites. In 2003, in order to demonstrate the main principles of the Yoga > as taught by my Grand Master, I created my non-commercial mini- website: > <http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bhavin.desai/> > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bhavin.desai/ > > > > ------------- > > > > The general pattern for my Kundalini activity is as follows: > > > > 1. I start off by experiencing something inspirational (eg Yoga, > meditation, music, reading). > > 2. This triggers various *dynamic* Kriyas and Mudras, together with > " crazy " bliss & ecstasy. > > 3. Then there is a frozen or " statue " phase with *static* Mudras, > together with " serene " bliss & ecstasy. > > > > The above process was not learnt, it just happened and evolved, although I > have subsequently seen such descriptions (eg > <http://www.danielodier.com/SPANISH/Texts/Spandakarika_e.html> > http://www.danielodier.com/SPANISH/Texts/Spandakarika_e.html), which I found > strangely re-assuring. I can even go though the above process while > watching TV. This would definitely NOT have met my own approval (let alone > anyone else's) a few years ago!!! Imagine watching the News (or a > series/film) while in a state of trance!!! It's quite good in one way since > I feel that I have merged with the TV and I am in the program. > > > > During Kundalini activity, I often feel that a period of one or two hours is > just like a few minutes. It is so peaceful, wonderful and blissful that I > really don't want to stop, although I am in control and can stop at any > point. At present I am extremely satisfied with the Natural, Spontaneous, > Automatic processes that are occurring. > > > > The feelings and experiences are in line with those reported by others who > have experiences such states. There was a Chi Kung (= QiGong) book that > also described similar experiences in the context of " Standing on Stake " and > " Secret Shaolin " techniques. Knowing that information in its detail and its > consistency, from a completely different context, was also quite comforting. > > > > ------------- > > > > When I am in the process of going to sleep, there is a period of a few > minutes where I am neither awake nor sleeping. In that latter part of that > period the Kundalini Shakti becomes active, and I get the characteristic > sinusoidal shaking or wriggling of the spinal chord. Like a Snake Dance. > Depending on the sleeping posture the wriggling could be side to side, or > forwards and backwards. There is an initial explosion or burst of energy, > followed by the rapid continuous automagic wriggling action. This can > continue for several minutes, it's hard to remember exactly because the next > step is usually sleep. > > > > The style and technique of the above spontaneous Kundalini Shakti Kriya is > similar to Kriyas that are generated or triggered by music, meditation, > reading, etc. It gives a euphoric or ecstatic feeling, and there is no > desire at all for it to stop. > > > > ------------- > > > > The best advice, regarding Kundalini related events, from my Yoga Master is > " you [should just] keep it " . I didn't understand this clear and simple > advice at the time (over 8 years ago) since I was expecting some complex and > sophisticated response to my penetrating questions about Kundalini Kriyas > and Mudras. However, I now understand his advice to mean that various > events will occur (with different experiences for different people) but the > key is to stay calm and relaxed so that the natural processes that are > occurring have time to be completed correctly. Don't focus too much on the > detail of the various events, this will be a distraction for you. For > example, in the early stages, I got excessively fascinated by the > spontaneous hand Mudras that were occurring (for some examples, see my > webpage mentioned above). I must have unnecessarily bored my family, > relatives, friends, and various newsgroups with numerous detailed > descriptions and further questions. Doh!!! > > > > The main problem for people experiencing these events for the first time is > that they get scared or startled (or try to over-analyse what is happening) > and hence " lose it " , thus delaying their progress. > > > > In summary, during Kundalini related events, the general advice is: > > 1. Don't think (too much). > > 2. Don't force (either way). > > 3. Stay relaxed (physically). > > 4. Stay calm (mentally & above). > > 5. Allow for the completion of natural events. > > Item 5 is the most important requirement, and the previous four items are > the supporting factors. > > > > After a while, depending on too many factors to mention, you will find that > you can " steer " the events to some extent and hence have some control over > the feelings of bliss and ecstasy. > > > > Most people starting on the Kundalini path get a hunger for knowledge. My > advice in relation to Kundalini Yoga books (limited to only the 5 best, in > my opinion) is to read: > > Kundalini Yoga http://www.dlshq.org/download/kundalini.pdf > > Hatha Yoga Pradipika http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/HathaYogaPradipika.pdf > > Gheranda Samhita (Partial) http://www.yogavidya.com/Yoga/GherandaSamhita.pdf > > " Song of the Sacred Tremor " > http://www.danielodier.com/SPANISH/Texts/Spandakarika_e.html > > Sutras of the Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, translated by Swami Lakshmanjoo > http://www.universalshaivafellowship.org/ full text is available at > http://www.oshonow.net/vbt.htm > > > > ------------- > > > > Please feel free to comment. > > > > Good Luck > > [i think the word Luck comes from Lakhsmi (pronounced " luxmee " ) Goddess of > Wealth, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakshmi for information] > > > > > > Bhavin > > TheYogaMan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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