psychedelics for spirituality-Misha

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Oh Boy Misha -

What's your hurry? Sounds like an overnight expedition! I believe if you

follow Chrism's teachings and his Safeties you'll get to the destination without

minimal bumps on the road. The journey to Kundaliniland is very rewarding every

little step of the way. I read Chrism's words, perhaps you should look into

them, about storming Heaven's door....you could be storming hell's instead..(bad

trip?) Why not allow the natural process of Kundalini happen to you in a slow

and Loving way. Loving most of all to your sanity, your well being and total

experience. I have seen people around me tripping on LSD and it was not what I

call spiritual.

Think about it, its my simple opinion but I am conveying it with Love.

Take care Misha, loads of Love,

Becky

 

 

 

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Misha not that i am an expert but we do make our own future.

I do think taking heaven by storm may come back to bite us,down

the road.

I have thought for a long time that difficult ''K'' openings are a result of our

past.

We need to purify and love God.....he cannot be rushed. Our impurities cause us

the grief.

When drugs speed things up we are not pure,it opens things with our own baggage

intact and this baggage qualifies the newly active Holy Spirit.

Just a few quick thoughts. Igor.

 

 

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beckyjeanrich: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:18:16 -0800Subject:

psychedelics for spirituality-Misha

 

 

 

 

Oh Boy Misha -What's your hurry? Sounds like an overnight expedition! I believe

if you follow Chrism's teachings and his Safeties you'll get to the destination

without minimal bumps on the road. The journey to Kundaliniland is very

rewarding every little step of the way. I read Chrism's words, perhaps you

should look into them, about storming Heaven's door....you could be storming

hell's instead..(bad trip?) Why not allow the natural process of Kundalini

happen to you in a slow and Loving way. Loving most of all to your sanity, your

well being and total experience. I have seen people around me tripping on LSD

and it was not what I call spiritual.Think about it, its my simple opinion but I

am conveying it with Love.Take care Misha, loads of

Love,BeckyNever miss a thing. Make your

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Misha,

I absolutely agree with Becky, artificial ways of being on the path have a

way of backfiring. Believe me, I speak from experience. And most importantly

to me, unless you know the person making the LSD, and unless that person is

an experienced chemist, you do not know what is really in it. Too many bad

things could happen. I myself would not risk it. MHO. Namaste,

Carol

 

 

 

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Hello Misha,

I feel that I might have some valuable informarion to

relate to you concerning this matter. I have

experienced many psychedlics and have in the past

worked with them and have considered them " tools " or

teachers while seeking to connect more deeply with the

universe and the Divine. Marijuana, Salvia, Psilocybn,

LSD, Ayahuasca etc... and I have found in light (or

darkness) of recent experience that these methods that

I once explored in the hopes of accelerating my

spiritual development and widening my perspective has

had the effect recently of temporarily catapulting me

backwards into a kind of spiritual retrogression. The

thing with psychedelics is that they are VERY POWERFUL

mind altering compounds. I never saw any conflict with

the mind altering part because I always equated mind

altering states with a healthy expansion of

consciousness. I thought a good mind altering was what

this world needed, and indeed this can be a good

thing, but in my experience with altered states I've

observed a certain trickery that can take place during

that altered state in which the feeling of oneness and

merging is being experienced on some level but the ego

is still throwing in it's crappy two cents about the

matter on another. For me this has sometimes become

confusing and disorienting and this is often

experienced normally with most drugs for a lot of

people even pot, getting a little paranoid or anxious.

It's just the ego fighting tooth and nail against you

awakening into that state that you are attempting to

reach so rapidly. Recently while working with

ayahuasca, the dark matter of my subconcious that

might have otherwise surfaced into the light of

consciousness at a more moderate pace through my daily

spiritual practice, exploded into the forefront of my

awareness all at once while I was in a severely

altered state.That state was so altered and so unlike

anything that could possibly be referenced in the

realm of normal human experience that I had no means

whatsoever of coping with the trauma that was arising.

I literally felt that I was an entropic universe of

the most unimaginable pain and suffering ever

expanding and growing more and more powerful and I

didn't even have a body to seek refuge in or a heart

to hold some truth inside of. I felt and continue to

to some extent, lifetimes of suffering and trauma that

I am not even sure are mine. They certainly aren't

from this life. I may have had it bad but not that

bad. This is by no means a reflection of anybody elses

experience using any psychedelic compound. I am just

saying that especially if kundalini is already active

in you as it was with me at this point that the

effects of psychedelics can become profoundly intense.

The advice that I would give to you Misha is that you

should be infinitely elated on a daily basis that you

have even ever once experienced the feeling of oneness

that you describe from working with the cactis. Some

people live there entire lives and never once for even

a millisecond know that feeling. Rejoice everyday in

the amount of happiness, love, and compassion that you

are able to experience just normally without any

external supplement. This is a great blessing and you

can't even know how lucky you are to be at this stage

in your development because in your normal

consciousness you have no idea of the depths of

suffering that one is capable of experiencing. I'm not

saying that you are not compassionate. I'm sure you

are a very loving and compassionate person naturally,

and be thankful for that and know that you have worked

a long long time to get to that level of compassion

and love. Work with that now to help those who have

not yet come so far on their journey and you will grow

faster and faster towards that feeling of oneness you

long to again remember. If you should choose to work

with psychedelics that is your choice and I would just

advise that you approach whatever you are working with

with great reverence and humility and be very firm in

your HIGHEST intentions.

Love and Best Wishes for you Misha,

Travis

 

 

 

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travis,

 

thank you for your experience.

i understand exactly what you are talking about. it was my

understanding that with LSD the ego is completely eradicated for that

time, maybe with higher doses, or with supplemental meditative

practice. this is what i was told by a friend who uses it as a tool.

he told me that you 'become buddha for 12 hours' i can see that you

disagree with him, and will take your advice into account.

 

your experience with Ayahuasca definetely sounds scary, i know about

Ayahuasca and have no desire to try it.

 

do you feel though, that there is any benefit in trying LSD atleast

once or twice? any at all? if the person keeps the mindset that he

isn't becoming the buddha and that it is purely mind altering. say..

for the purpose of exploring the subconscious more and curiousity sake

 

 

 

 

, travis murphy

<travisnelsonmurphy wrote:

>

> Hello Misha,

> I feel that I might have some valuable informarion to

> relate to you concerning this matter. I have

> experienced many psychedlics and have in the past

> worked with them and have considered them " tools " or

> teachers while seeking to connect more deeply with the

> universe and the Divine. Marijuana, Salvia, Psilocybn,

> LSD, Ayahuasca etc... and I have found in light (or

> darkness) of recent experience that these methods that

> I once explored in the hopes of accelerating my

> spiritual development and widening my perspective has

> had the effect recently of temporarily catapulting me

> backwards into a kind of spiritual retrogression. The

> thing with psychedelics is that they are VERY POWERFUL

> mind altering compounds. I never saw any conflict with

> the mind altering part because I always equated mind

> altering states with a healthy expansion of

> consciousness. I thought a good mind altering was what

> this world needed, and indeed this can be a good

> thing, but in my experience with altered states I've

> observed a certain trickery that can take place during

> that altered state in which the feeling of oneness and

> merging is being experienced on some level but the ego

> is still throwing in it's crappy two cents about the

> matter on another. For me this has sometimes become

> confusing and disorienting and this is often

> experienced normally with most drugs for a lot of

> people even pot, getting a little paranoid or anxious.

> It's just the ego fighting tooth and nail against you

> awakening into that state that you are attempting to

> reach so rapidly. Recently while working with

> ayahuasca, the dark matter of my subconcious that

> might have otherwise surfaced into the light of

> consciousness at a more moderate pace through my daily

> spiritual practice, exploded into the forefront of my

> awareness all at once while I was in a severely

> altered state.That state was so altered and so unlike

> anything that could possibly be referenced in the

> realm of normal human experience that I had no means

> whatsoever of coping with the trauma that was arising.

> I literally felt that I was an entropic universe of

> the most unimaginable pain and suffering ever

> expanding and growing more and more powerful and I

> didn't even have a body to seek refuge in or a heart

> to hold some truth inside of. I felt and continue to

> to some extent, lifetimes of suffering and trauma that

> I am not even sure are mine. They certainly aren't

> from this life. I may have had it bad but not that

> bad. This is by no means a reflection of anybody elses

> experience using any psychedelic compound. I am just

> saying that especially if kundalini is already active

> in you as it was with me at this point that the

> effects of psychedelics can become profoundly intense.

> The advice that I would give to you Misha is that you

> should be infinitely elated on a daily basis that you

> have even ever once experienced the feeling of oneness

> that you describe from working with the cactis. Some

> people live there entire lives and never once for even

> a millisecond know that feeling. Rejoice everyday in

> the amount of happiness, love, and compassion that you

> are able to experience just normally without any

> external supplement. This is a great blessing and you

> can't even know how lucky you are to be at this stage

> in your development because in your normal

> consciousness you have no idea of the depths of

> suffering that one is capable of experiencing. I'm not

> saying that you are not compassionate. I'm sure you

> are a very loving and compassionate person naturally,

> and be thankful for that and know that you have worked

> a long long time to get to that level of compassion

> and love. Work with that now to help those who have

> not yet come so far on their journey and you will grow

> faster and faster towards that feeling of oneness you

> long to again remember. If you should choose to work

> with psychedelics that is your choice and I would just

> advise that you approach whatever you are working with

> with great reverence and humility and be very firm in

> your HIGHEST intentions.

> Love and Best Wishes for you Misha,

> Travis

>

>

>

>

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Misha,

I am just saying that you should listen to your own

inner guidance above anything else. Your friend that

told you that while on LSD you become the buddha for

12 hours is really saying " While I was on LSD I

experienced something that to me felt like buddhahood

for 12 hours " . His experience has very little to do

with what yours would be under the influence of LSD or

what mine has been. When I took liquid LSD I felt that

I became Hunter S. Thompson for 12 hours which is a

far cry from buddhahood, and I certainly didn't

experience complete ego loss or inner silence. It was

more like a never ending succession of thoughts that I

was convinced were the most brilliant thoughts that

I'de ever had, even though in retrospect many of these

thoughts don't ring true in any way. I'm not saying

there weren't beautiful elements of all of these

experiences even with ayahuasca in my first few times

working with it, but I am saying it's not as if these

compounds will automatically bestow upon you some

great profound truth or experience of indomitable love

and silence upon there administration. We are all

Buddhas, and psychedelics don't give you anything that

you don't aready have. I read a quote somewhere maybe

from Aldous Huxley or Ram Das that said something to

the effect of psychedlics are not GOD inducing

compounds, but for some they can be GOD enabling and

there is a big difference there in how you think of

them and approach using them. They do not give you

anything or make you something that you are not. A big

lesson that I am learning is that the spiritual path

is not one of becoming anything. We are already

created completely whole and our work is one of

remembering our true divine nature. It is not

additive. It's not as if we are gaining new elements

and abandoning our old selves. No, it is that we are

focusing on the holiness that is already and has

always been inside of us and by that focus we are

amplifying the light within until the illusion of

darkness and seperation is no longer able to remain.

As far as exploring these plants and chemicals for the

sake of curiosity, I highly advise against it. Don't

you know what killed the cat?! And there are far

better places to explore your sub conscious than in

the throws of an LSD trip. Do dream work if that's

what you're after. It's safer and more rewarding, and

you will be better able to understand and remember

what is being revealed to you far more clearly than if

it were to surface in an altered state during a

psychedelic trip. Be very clear and honest with

yourself about your intentions and exactly what you

are doing and why you are doing it. I can't tell you

whether or not there are any benefits in it for you. I

can tell you that in my experience there have been

benefits and there have also been very severe and

extreme consequences and that I am lucky to even be

alive right now, but then again so are you!

Boundless Love,

Travis

--- misha <mixolyd wrote:

 

> travis,

>

> thank you for your experience.

> i understand exactly what you are talking about. it

> was my

> understanding that with LSD the ego is completely

> eradicated for that

> time, maybe with higher doses, or with supplemental

> meditative

> practice. this is what i was told by a friend who

> uses it as a tool.

> he told me that you 'become buddha for 12 hours' i

> can see that you

> disagree with him, and will take your advice into

> account.

>

> your experience with Ayahuasca definetely sounds

> scary, i know about

> Ayahuasca and have no desire to try it.

>

> do you feel though, that there is any benefit in

> trying LSD atleast

> once or twice? any at all? if the person keeps the

> mindset that he

> isn't becoming the buddha and that it is purely mind

> altering. say..

> for the purpose of exploring the subconscious more

> and curiousity sake

>

>

>

>

> --- In

> ,

> travis murphy

> <travisnelsonmurphy wrote:

> >

> > Hello Misha,

> > I feel that I might have some valuable informarion

> to

> > relate to you concerning this matter. I have

> > experienced many psychedlics and have in the past

> > worked with them and have considered them " tools "

> or

> > teachers while seeking to connect more deeply with

> the

> > universe and the Divine. Marijuana, Salvia,

> Psilocybn,

> > LSD, Ayahuasca etc... and I have found in light

> (or

> > darkness) of recent experience that these methods

> that

> > I once explored in the hopes of accelerating my

> > spiritual development and widening my perspective

> has

> > had the effect recently of temporarily catapulting

> me

> > backwards into a kind of spiritual retrogression.

> The

> > thing with psychedelics is that they are VERY

> POWERFUL

> > mind altering compounds. I never saw any conflict

> with

> > the mind altering part because I always equated

> mind

> > altering states with a healthy expansion of

> > consciousness. I thought a good mind altering was

> what

> > this world needed, and indeed this can be a good

> > thing, but in my experience with altered states

> I've

> > observed a certain trickery that can take place

> during

> > that altered state in which the feeling of oneness

> and

> > merging is being experienced on some level but the

> ego

> > is still throwing in it's crappy two cents about

> the

> > matter on another. For me this has sometimes

> become

> > confusing and disorienting and this is often

> > experienced normally with most drugs for a lot of

> > people even pot, getting a little paranoid or

> anxious.

> > It's just the ego fighting tooth and nail against

> you

> > awakening into that state that you are attempting

> to

> > reach so rapidly. Recently while working with

> > ayahuasca, the dark matter of my subconcious that

> > might have otherwise surfaced into the light of

> > consciousness at a more moderate pace through my

> daily

> > spiritual practice, exploded into the forefront of

> my

> > awareness all at once while I was in a severely

> > altered state.That state was so altered and so

> unlike

> > anything that could possibly be referenced in the

> > realm of normal human experience that I had no

> means

> > whatsoever of coping with the trauma that was

> arising.

> > I literally felt that I was an entropic universe

> of

> > the most unimaginable pain and suffering ever

> > expanding and growing more and more powerful and I

> > didn't even have a body to seek refuge in or a

> heart

> > to hold some truth inside of. I felt and continue

> to

> > to some extent, lifetimes of suffering and trauma

> that

> > I am not even sure are mine. They certainly aren't

> > from this life. I may have had it bad but not that

> > bad. This is by no means a reflection of anybody

> elses

> > experience using any psychedelic compound. I am

> just

> > saying that especially if kundalini is already

> active

> > in you as it was with me at this point that the

> > effects of psychedelics can become profoundly

> intense.

> > The advice that I would give to you Misha is that

> you

> > should be infinitely elated on a daily basis that

> you

> > have even ever once experienced the feeling of

> oneness

> > that you describe from working with the cactis.

> Some

> > people live there entire lives and never once for

> even

> > a millisecond know that feeling. Rejoice everyday

> in

> > the amount of happiness, love, and compassion that

> you

> > are able to experience just normally without any

> > external supplement. This is a great blessing and

> you

> > can't even know how lucky you are to be at this

> stage

> > in your development because in your normal

> > consciousness you have no idea of the depths of

> > suffering that one is capable of experiencing. I'm

> not

> > saying that you are not compassionate. I'm sure

> you

> > are a very loving and compassionate person

> naturally,

> > and be thankful for that and know that you have

> worked

> > a long long time to get to that level of

> compassion

> > and love. Work with that now to help those who

> have

> > not yet come so far on their journey and you will

> grow

> > faster and faster towards that feeling of oneness

> you

> > long to again remember. If you should choose to

> work

> > with psychedelics that is your choice and I would

> just

> > advise that you approach whatever you are working

> with

> > with great reverence and humility and be very firm

> in

> > your HIGHEST intentions.

> > Love and Best Wishes for you Misha,

> > Travis

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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