Elektra,Bill,Lisa,Cal,Thomas,Denny , ..., Everyone!

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Hi Everyone,

What awesome posts lately, as always. Elektra, way to go my beloved

sister, I am so happy for you! I have been having similar

experiences, people have been coming over, smoking pot, not a usual

occurance in the winter. I left the room and turned on the air

cleaner. My good friend came up and voiced dissapointment of sorts

that I was not drinking anymore, cause we could have gone out

drinking like the old days, I wasn't even tempted. I have been

putting your wonderful prayers to use, again, thank you! Still clean

and sober, yippee!

 

Bill, I am a little envious (not jealous!), altho, I think thru

prayer I did not have a hard time stopping, it was not just

spontaneous like your experience; and the very first time I stopped,

I had to work for years on all the negativity I had built up thru the

years of abuse. But how cool for you, way to go!

 

Lisa, holy cow, what a cool head you are! How fortunate for that guy

you 'just happened' to be there, LOL! I am sure he is fine or on his

way to being fine. Cool!

 

Cal, I really like your take on the whole faceless conciousness, you

too dhyana, that is a great way to think of it and fits right in with

a book I'm reading right now.

 

Thomas, I am very interested in reading more of your posts, I really

liked all your writings on my space, so glad to have you with us,

welcome. Have you ever read The Hidden Gospel by Neil Douglas-Klotz?

It fits right in with a lot of your writings.

 

Denny the site looks really awesome, what a design guru you are!

Great job.

 

I know there are more people I have wanted to thank lately, so I just

say to everyone, really amazing posts lately, I think I am coming

back up out of the valley! Whoopee! Blessing, light and lots of big

loving hugs everyone!

Carol

 

Oh I know who I forgot, !!! Listen sis you are a wonderful

lovely loving sweet person, who helps all of us everyday because of

ALL your experiences. We are all in this completely together. I also

got pregnant, only I was only 17, third generation legacy in my

family that I know of, I killed my baby. I know it would have been

another girl, who I know would have gotten pregnant at 17, would not

have known how to mother, would have brought more pain to another

generation of children. I happen to think I did the right thing, even

tho I am very sorry I did not get to have a daughter, I am sure she

got to be born to someone, and got to have the life she needed to

have. I just feel like I broke the cycle. This is a recent feeling I

have come to, I spent years feeling damned to hell for killing my own

child.

Also if I could be allowed to suggest some additions to your very

good list; also write what the effects of each act were, to you and

to the other person, and how you could have done it differently. And

also, add entities, such as companies or organizations you hold

resentments toward, and do the same for them. I promise you will be

AMAZED at the weight that comes off your shoulders. Be sure to

forgive everyone and very importantly yourself! Also a good idea

IMHO! is to make amends to everyone you can. And don't say you are

sorry, tell them heart felt, what you did and how you are going to do

things differently now, to make things different from now on. Also

pay anyone you owe money to as you can. To people such as your

Father, to whom you cannot make word amends, make living amends,

which means to change the way you react to people and situations. If

you want to know more, just ask. And this is only my suggestion,

please if this does not fit how you feel it should be done, just

ignore me and do whatever YOU feel. These are just the way I did it.

I love you dear sister, you are a wonder!

Carol

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Carol:

Thank you for the further insights to forgiveness. And for sharing your

personal expereinces. The lesson I learned giving my child away was that in

life there are decisions that one makes at the time that can never be reversed.

Each of us looks at the situation and makes a decision based on what we know and

feel is right at the time. At that time in my life I had choices and I made a

choice that I live with. I did the best I could with where I was and with the

circumstances. I learned to accept that my decision was the right one for me.

 

Now I see how that view really needs to be carried over to all those who have

hurt me - they did the best they could do at the time under the particular

circumstances. So it has only taken me 60 years to reach this conclusion!

Whew! Am I slow or what?

 

So thank you for your input always welcomed. Can't teach an old dog new

tricks? I am here to prove that statement false. I am learning every day and

it seems the lessons are plentiful with K.

 

Namaste

 

 

 

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Very true for all of us.

Igor.

 

 

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Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:50:32 -0800

Re:Elektra,Bill,Lisa,cal,Thomas,Denny , , Everyone!

 

 

 

 

Carol:Thank you for the further insights to forgiveness. And for sharing your

personal expereinces. The lesson I learned giving my child away was that in life

there are decisions that one makes at the time that can never be reversed. Each

of us looks at the situation and makes a decision based on what we know and feel

is right at the time. At that time in my life I had choices and I made a choice

that I live with. I did the best I could with where I was and with the

circumstances. I learned to accept that my decision was the right one for me.Now

I see how that view really needs to be carried over to all those who have hurt

me - they did the best they could do at the time under the particular

circumstances. So it has only taken me 60 years to reach this conclusion! Whew!

Am I slow or what? So thank you for your input always welcomed. Can't teach an

old dog new tricks? I am here to prove that statement false. I am learning every

day and it seems the lessons are plentiful with K. Namaste LoroEvent

CoordinatorKundalini Awakening

Systems1707-478-4885Never miss a thing. Make

your homepage.

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> Now I see how that view really needs to be carried over to all

those > who have hurt me - they did the best they could do at the

time under > the particular circumstances.

 

Hi , kundalini's non stop lessons are indeed a blessing.

 

K has tought me a lot about the part of your post I quoted. I am now

patient and tolerant absolutely with everyone.

 

Why?

 

Because they are me, if I was in their body, no matter who it is or

what they are doing, I would be doing exactly as they are doing,

with absolutely no difference. Why? Well, because I would be them.

So if they will do the same thing with no difference, whether they

are me or not (or anyone for that matter) then are we all not each

other?

 

All the countless personalities in the world, yet there is actually

only one.

 

I will use an example of a selfish person. But this applies to all

personalities and character traits (everyones individuality or

uniqueness).

 

Some people are selfish, we've all felt selfish at some time in our

lives, sometimes more so than others, some people more so than

others.. Some people are giving, some are careless, some aren't so

confident. Yet we have all felt these things, it doesn't mean that

is what we are like all the time, a moment of absent mindedness

doesn't make you an absent minded person.

 

What I'm trying to say is that all of this worlds countless

seemingly different personalities (and people) are simply randomized

patterns of all the things that YOU feel all the time. A personality

is defined by those feelings that don't simply pass you by.

 

A selfish person isn't bad, and hes not being offensive to you

by " hoarding the goods " although there are many that would be

offended by this, their feeling of being offended comes from them

alone, not the other.

 

Because we all know what it's like to be selfish we can see easily

why a selfish person is how they are. Most of the time selfishness

is simply fear that there isn't enough. No one is selfish simply to

be selfish, it's based on a fear.

 

I recall the times that I feared there wasn't enough of something, I

recall how it was seen as selfishness to others. When someone is

selfish with me, I know it's the exact same thing as in my own

memories of how I felt when i feared there wasn't enough of

something.

 

What this person takes on as a character trait is just a simple

little fear we have all felt, but to become a character trait rather

than a passing emotion, the fear must be greatly increased so that

he is always in fear of there not being enough (eg growing up in

poverty or homeless).

 

What a personality consists of, is simply multiple character traits.

What I'm trying to say with this example of a selfish person, is

that a character trait is nothing more than a simple regular fear we

all have felt that simply doesn't pass, it stays and shapes the

person (this particular fear may or may not be common to you, I use

it because it should be simple to understand and recognise

(especially in children)) .

 

So when someone is selfish towards me, how can I not feel as though

that person is me? What is the difference between the fear of loss

in my memory and the fear of the person who stole something from me?

Selfishness in an adult (like a thief) has most likely been numbed

from a feeling of fear, it has become so much a part of him that he

steals every chance he gets with no remorse, and an age old fear in

the pit of his soul that he can no longer feel as fear. I know

precisely the fear driving it, remember it, understand that it's not

them being intentionally mean, even if they are intentionally mean

about it. It's all based on fear, that is what makes them NOT evil,

no matter what they do.

 

All personalities and character traits work the same way and are

simply natures way of randomizing things. Like a snowflakes pattern,

each unique, but the same as all the others.

 

What I'm getting at is this: No matter who you are, no matter who

you aren't, you are the same as everyone else in the world on the

inside. When trying to understand someone else, don't! Simply

imagine you are them, doing what they are doing, why would you be

doing it? What would make YOU do this? Understand yourself, there is

no one else. Underneath the ego's and characters we are the same,

our consciousness is identical, well there isn't actually anything

for it to be identical to, there is only one consciousness at this

level of purity.

 

I'm sure you can imagine how we all (in our infinite veriety) are

simply the same person, the same pure consciousness that has had an

infinity of experiences piled on top of it giving us some sense

individuality, separatioin and difference (our lives and

personalities). However our lives have shaped us, different people

in different places in different times, an infinity of the same

simple random experiences of fear and love. A child growing up with

very little will probably always fear that there isn't enough.

Someone who has always had more than enough would probably not be

selfish, there has never been any fear related to what he has or how

much of it he has. He would share what he has, not because the

selfish person is a bad molevalent, but simply because fate hasn't

yet lead the selfish man into an abundant fear free reality.

 

It's a simple process, but it's not just someones personality that

is taking form, that is just one side of the coin. Personality

represents a persons reality. The personality is what sits between

the body and the outside reality. The outer reality will slowly

change the personality to match it. This happens always and forever.

 

Your own personality basically is your reality, it matters not one

bit what is objective, reality is totally subjective.

 

I won't go into how a personality defines a persons reality, as it

should be easy enough to see. With all of this worlds infinite

veriety of personalities, we also get an infinite veriety of

realities.

 

OK, a quick example. Imagine a party, now lets focus on two people

at this party. The first is basically a stranger to the party, he

knows no one here. He heard the music and voices and it drew him in.

He is enjoying himself, simply having fun, talking to people and

befriending the strangers there.

 

The other person is also a stranger to most of the party, except he

only knows one person there, his new room mate, and since he is so

new he doesn't really know him at all. This party is his new

roommates house warming party, and all the guests are either his

friends or family. This person is pretty shy, and doesn't really

enjoy parties, he slips off into his bedroom and waits it out.

 

As you can cleary see, a person is their own reality. We are all our

own reality, a flowing, orbiting, dance of energy experiencing

itself.

 

Consciousness is originally pure, IE a new born baby, all new born

babies feel the same. A little fear of the new environment and

sounds, but a lot of love for mothers warmth. Apart from this their

consciousness is pure, totally pure. And as such, their reality is

pure.

 

By pure, I mean, natural, unmodified, untainted.

 

Just look at what it's like to be natural consciousness. Look at the

children, so happy, playful, innocent, they are little bubbles of

natural consciousness bouncing around so much old, stale, fearful,

unnatural consciousness (of which they are totally innocent of).

 

A little child can sit and be happy, smiling, singing and totally

all loving. She can do this alone, her own presence fills her whole

universe, never lonely, never bored, her natural state of

consciousness sustains her innocently, and infinitely, without even

knowing that speech is possible, having absolutely no need to

communicate verbally with someone else. She can feel so wonderful,

but she is totally innocent of how wonderful it is compared to

someone elses less wonderful (less natural) perspective. She doesn't

feel wonderful, she simply feels natural. Because feeling wonderful

can only be experienced after feeling not wonderful. And her

blissful, perfect, innocent reality is all she has ever known.

 

The personality is like a filter standing between your consciousness

and the rest of reality. Like looking through coloured glass,

reality will bear the colours of your consciousness. I will call

this interdependant personality/reality a personal reality.

 

Now, societies idea of consciousness is completely wrong. It is

generally believed that a babys consciousness is empty. It is

stupid, knows nothing, needs to grow and mature, learn and become

smart, develope character and personality (through experiences of

fear and love, the only two emotions that exist, well, fear isn't

really separate from love, fear is the lack of love, this one

emotion (and it's flipside) is what every second of every life is

all about). It is a loved yet imperfect start, the parents have such

high hopes for his future. How proud would they be if he worked

hard, aced every exam, and became very successful professionally, a

millionaire.

 

But how would those parents feel if their child became a beggar on

the streets?

How would those parents feel if their beggar son was one of the most

intelligent people they have ever met?

How would they feel, knowing their son is a beggar in rags, yet has

the intellect to live in luxory?

 

This surely wasn't how they had hoped and imagined their sons future.

 

And how do you think they would feel, seeing their sons intellect

going down the drain (as though he doesn't even care), seeing his

entire life ruined (and he doesn't care at all), and yet they have

never once in their whole lives seen anyone as happy and full of

wonder and love for life as their son, who's eyes are wide with

wonder and fascination at everything? His personal reality is pure

and cannot be tainted by anything. He is totally innocent of his

parents hopes and dissapoinments. He retains his innocence, and his

purity of consciousness, and his reality knows no fear, not of

anything, and an infinitely abundant love, that flows freely

outwards, unhindered in all directions.

 

My point is that parents hope their children will BECOME something.

The only thing pure consciousness can become is impure, through an

upbringing of this kind something very sad happens to childrens'

purity of consciousness. It is hijacked or possessed by something

that has begun to form within it, like a parasite, the ego.

 

Purity of consciousness is not to be deadened away, it is to be

preserved, protected, and nurtured. The baby is born perfect, and in

the years of life to come what few memories of her childhood she can

recall are soaked in that nostalgic childhood magic. Memories that

seem to have taken place in a fantasy or dream world where every

colour is so deep and hums with a vibrant intensity. Memories of

distant days when her body and soul seemed weightless, almost as

though her young body was made of nothing. Almost as though she

wasn't there, all around her was not being looked at, but simply

seen. Of times when there was nothing inside her filtering out the

magic of life. Pure times, when she was innocent of her self.

 

These are our happiest memories, our childhood, the magic and

wonder, the colour, the worlds' unending singing, the adventure, how

mighty everything seemed to be. As our memories are trying to tell

us, true happiness can only be experienced when you are innocent of

self. With no self/ego reality is unfiltered and perfect. The more

self/ego there is, the less reality there is, it's innocent

fragility devoured. The more ego there is, the further reality is

distorted from it's innocent perfection as it is stretched and

deformed into your personal reality.

 

Wow, now that's a long post...

 

Basically I find tolerence and patience of others to be no different

then my tolerence and patience of myself, because it's the same

thing.

 

Love and light to all

Cal

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Yes a long post Cal but a good one! - blessings and thank for your

points. - chrisms a long

 

 

 

, " Cal "

<awakeandaware wrote:

>

> > Now I see how that view really needs to be carried over to all

> those > who have hurt me - they did the best they could do at the

> time under > the particular circumstances.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Carol,

 

Love, thankyou for the post, but I just wanted to say

that to use the words " I killed my baby " for an

abortion is a bit extreme, I had an abortion and I do

not see myself as a killer in any way, and it

certainly was not a baby as of yet, more a blob!

Life and death one cycle. I feel no guilt what so

ever.

I thought it sounded a bit harsh on you Carol thats

all,

love you loads

Elektra x x x

 

 

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