Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 There are schools of thought about the Kundalini that do not support the gifting of this energy for others unless through a select program or lineage of study. These ideologies are there to protect those unable to navigate the Kundalini in a safe way by themselves and these are helpful except in the limiting factors that can exclude those on the path and in the active search for these transformative realities. If you do not worship the Guru then you do not get the gifts. Unless you are a recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru from a recognized lineage and belief system then you are NOT supposed to give this activation to anyone else. Many are not happy that I am doing this as I am not of any lineage and do not promote or practice a single belief system. I am seen as a " rogue " guru or teacher. Because of this I am a target of those who do not agree with what is going on here and they will do as much as they can to not allow these teachings to commence or be received in the ways that they are intended and given. I do not promote or partake of systems that are designed to exalt another over and above the common person as it is my belief that we are all able to reach these awakened states as a matter of course and study and practice and yes of Shaktipat. Yet there are Kundalini active people who have activated inside of these afore mentioned systems who will come into this group and then selectively communicate with those of you here who are activating via the techniques and practices as given here, as well as the Shaktipats as given here, and do their level best to dissuade or persuade the person to buy into their systems and they will actively refute or contradict what it is I am doing as a teacher in this group. This has happened again recently with a member of this group. So for the first time I will give you a warning that this may occur for you. As you activate and practice the safeties you may be approached by those who do not agree with this and may promote a fearful or express a very strong argument against your activation into the Kundalini. Many of the negative experiences will be brought up for you to be scared by. Misinterpretations and out of context or outright fabricated statements tailor made by them to have been given by me in order to manipulate a negative response to the teachings given can be offered. Use your own discernment, but I ask that you run it by me first and let me have a chance to clarify or deny making any kind of statement that is defamatory or in another way being used to create a fearful or of an undermining way of keeping you from the gift you posses with in yourself. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Thank you .......and well said this is a gift inside ourselves. Igor. : : Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:42:36 +0000Subject: A Rogue Guru - (warning) There are schools of thought about the Kundalini that do not support the gifting of this energy for others unless through a select program or lineage of study. These ideologies are there to protect those unable to navigate the Kundalini in a safe way by themselves and these are helpful except in the limiting factors that can exclude those on the path and in the active search for these transformative realities. If you do not worship the Guru then you do not get the gifts.Unless you are a recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru from a recognized lineage and belief system then you are NOT supposed to give this activation to anyone else. Many are not happy that I am doing this as I am not of any lineage and do not promote or practice a single belief system.I am seen as a " rogue " guru or teacher. Because of this I am a target of those who do not agree with what is going on here and they will do as much as they can to not allow these teachings to commence or be received in the ways that they are intended and given.I do not promote or partake of systems that are designed to exalt another over and above the common person as it is my belief that we are all able to reach these awakened states as a matter of course and study and practice and yes of Shaktipat.Yet there are Kundalini active people who have activated inside of these afore mentioned systems who will come into this group and then selectively communicate with those of you here who are activating via the techniques and practices as given here, as well as the Shaktipats as given here, and do their level best to dissuade or persuade the person to buy into their systems and they will actively refute or contradict what it is I am doing as a teacher in this group.This has happened again recently with a member of this group.So for the first time I will give you a warning that this may occur for you. As you activate and practice the safeties you may be approached by those who do not agree with this and may promote a fearful or express a very strong argument against your activation intothe Kundalini.Many of the negative experiences will be brought up for you to be scared by. Misinterpretations and out of context or outright fabricated statements tailor made by them to have been given by me in order to manipulate a negative response to the teachings given can be offered. Use your own discernment, but I ask that you run it by me first and let me have a chance to clarify or deny making any kind of statement that is defamatory or in another way being used to create a fearful or of an undermining way of keeping you from the gift you posses with in yourself. - _______________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 At 04:42 PM 3/3/2008, you wrote: >Unless you are a recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru >from a recognized lineage and belief system then you are NOT supposed >to give this activation to anyone else. Many are not happy that I am >doing this as I am not of any lineage and do not promote or practice >a single belief system. Phooey. I assess people by their actions and what I know of their experience, not by their pedigree. I have been to other classes, seen the students of some of these " recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru's " ... who failed to teach their students any form of grounding exercise, never mind any of the common-sense safety protocols being shared here. I have seen some ugly side effects indeed. Peer recognition and pedigree are no assurance of competence, never mind a spirit of good intention. >I do not promote or partake of systems that are designed to exalt >another over and above the common person as it is my belief that we >are all able to reach these awakened states as a matter of course and >study and practice and yes of Shaktipat. All of that was what made this space feel safe to me. You don't come off as a " guru " , and that's what I like most about you <g> ... that's why I am here, and why I recommend this group to others. Brandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 So, self-appointed " real " gurus are not happy with Chrism's teachings and are contacting individual members to warn them against him? I say, BRING THEM ON! I'll tell them a thing or two about how sickening their dogmas, elitisms, and power games can be! Sel (obviously not yet at One with All That Is, LOL!) , Igor Alphus <Alphu-s wrote: > > Thank you .......and well said this is a gift inside ourselves. > Igor. > > > : : Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:42:36 +0000 A Rogue Guru - (warning) > > > > > There are schools of thought about the Kundalini that do not support the gifting of this energy for others unless through a select program or lineage of study. These ideologies are there to protect those unable to navigate the Kundalini in a safe way by themselves and these are helpful except in the limiting factors that can exclude those on the path and in the active search for these transformative realities. If you do not worship the Guru then you do not get the gifts.Unless you are a recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru from a recognized lineage and belief system then you are NOT supposed to give this activation to anyone else. Many are not happy that I am doing this as I am not of any lineage and do not promote or practice a single belief system.I am seen as a " rogue " guru or teacher. Because of this I am a target of those who do not agree with what is going on here and they will do as much as they can to not allow these teachings to commence or be received in the ways that they are intended and given.I do not promote or partake of systems that are designed to exalt another over and above the common person as it is my belief that we are all able to reach these awakened states as a matter of course and study and practice and yes of Shaktipat.Yet there are Kundalini active people who have activated inside of these afore mentioned systems who will come into this group and then selectively communicate with those of you here who are activating via the techniques and practices as given here, as well as the Shaktipats as given here, and do their level best to dissuade or persuade the person to buy into their systems and they will actively refute or contradict what it is I am doing as a teacher in this group.This has happened again recently with a member of this group.So for the first time I will give you a warning that this may occur for you. As you activate and practice the safeties you may be approached by those who do not agree with this and may promote a fearful or express a very strong argument against your activation intothe Kundalini.Many of the negative experiences will be brought up for you to be scared by. Misinterpretations and out of context or outright fabricated statements tailor made by them to have been given by me in order to manipulate a negative response to the teachings given can be offered. Use your own discernment, but I ask that you run it by me first and let me have a chance to clarify or deny making any kind of statement that is defamatory or in another way being used to create a fearful or of an undermining way of keeping you from the gift you posses with in yourself. - _______________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 If someone contacted me on the sly like that, I would wonder what their angle was. I would be questioning THEM rather than you. I can see why these people want to discredit you, they feel threatened. I suppose that part of their lessons will be dealing with the Karma they are building up by trying to hurt someone who is only trying to help others. Enlightenment is available to ALL not just the " select " . I suppose part of their issues are ego based - they want to feel they are part of an elite club that doesn't admit just anyone. From what I have seen so far, the more they try to make you look bad the better you look, lol. Hey, free public relations! Sarita , " chrism " <> wrote: > > There are schools of thought about the Kundalini that do not support > the gifting of this energy for others unless through a select program > or lineage of study. > > These ideologies are there to protect those unable to navigate the > Kundalini in a safe way by themselves and these are helpful except in > the limiting factors that can exclude those on the path and in the > active search for these transformative realities. If you do not > worship the Guru then you do not get the gifts. > > Unless you are a recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru > from a recognized lineage and belief system then you are NOT supposed > to give this activation to anyone else. Many are not happy that I am > doing this as I am not of any lineage and do not promote or practice > a single belief system. > > I am seen as a " rogue " guru or teacher. Because of this I am a target > of those who do not agree with what is going on here and they will do > as much as they can to not allow these teachings to commence or be > received in the ways that they are intended and given. > > I do not promote or partake of systems that are designed to exalt > another over and above the common person as it is my belief that we > are all able to reach these awakened states as a matter of course and > study and practice and yes of Shaktipat. > > Yet there are Kundalini active people who have activated inside of > these afore mentioned systems who will come into this group and then > selectively communicate with those of you here who are activating via > the techniques and practices as given here, as well as the Shaktipats > as given here, and do their level best to dissuade or persuade the > person to buy into their systems and they will actively refute or > contradict what it is I am doing as a teacher in this group. > > This has happened again recently with a member of this group. > > So for the first time I will give you a warning that this may occur > for you. As you activate and practice the safeties you may be > approached by those who do not agree with this and may promote a > fearful or express a very strong argument against your activation into > the Kundalini. > > Many of the negative experiences will be brought up for you to be > scared by. Misinterpretations and out of context or outright > fabricated statements tailor made by them to have been given by me in > order to manipulate a negative response to the teachings given can be > offered. Use your own discernment, but I ask that you run it by me > first and let me have a chance to clarify or deny making any kind of > statement that is defamatory or in another way being used to create a > fearful or of an undermining way of keeping you from the gift you > posses with in yourself. - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Well said Brandi, I second that! Linda , Brandi Jasmine <jazztalk wrote: > > At 04:42 PM 3/3/2008, you wrote: > >Unless you are a recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru > >from a recognized lineage and belief system then you are NOT supposed > >to give this activation to anyone else. Many are not happy that I am > >doing this as I am not of any lineage and do not promote or practice > >a single belief system. > > Phooey. I assess people by their actions and what I know of their experience, not by their pedigree. I have been to other classes, seen the students of some of these " recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru's " ... who failed to teach their students any form of grounding exercise, never mind any of the common-sense safety protocols being shared here. I have seen some ugly side effects indeed. Peer recognition and pedigree are no assurance of competence, never mind a spirit of good intention. > > >I do not promote or partake of systems that are designed to exalt > >another over and above the common person as it is my belief that we > >are all able to reach these awakened states as a matter of course and > >study and practice and yes of Shaktipat. > > All of that was what made this space feel safe to me. You don't come off as a " guru " , and that's what I like most about you <g> ... that's why I am here, and why I recommend this group to others. > > Brandi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 AMEN! Sarita , Brandi Jasmine <jazztalk wrote: > > At 04:42 PM 3/3/2008, you wrote: > >Unless you are a recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru > >from a recognized lineage and belief system then you are NOT supposed > >to give this activation to anyone else. Many are not happy that I am > >doing this as I am not of any lineage and do not promote or practice > >a single belief system. > > Phooey. I assess people by their actions and what I know of their experience, not by their pedigree. I have been to other classes, seen the students of some of these " recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru's " ... who failed to teach their students any form of grounding exercise, never mind any of the common-sense safety protocols being shared here. I have seen some ugly side effects indeed. Peer recognition and pedigree are no assurance of competence, never mind a spirit of good intention. > > >I do not promote or partake of systems that are designed to exalt > >another over and above the common person as it is my belief that we > >are all able to reach these awakened states as a matter of course and > >study and practice and yes of Shaktipat. > > All of that was what made this space feel safe to me. You don't come off as a " guru " , and that's what I like most about you <g> ... that's why I am here, and why I recommend this group to others. > > Brandi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 I would definitely wonder about this kind of behavior especially if I was contacted outside the group. Thanks for the heads up… , " chrism " <> wrote: > > There are schools of thought about the Kundalini that do not support > the gifting of this energy for others unless through a select program > or lineage of study. > > These ideologies are there to protect those unable to navigate the > Kundalini in a safe way by themselves and these are helpful except in > the limiting factors that can exclude those on the path and in the > active search for these transformative realities. If you do not > worship the Guru then you do not get the gifts. > > Unless you are a recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru > from a recognized lineage and belief system then you are NOT supposed > to give this activation to anyone else. Many are not happy that I am > doing this as I am not of any lineage and do not promote or practice > a single belief system. > > I am seen as a " rogue " guru or teacher. Because of this I am a target > of those who do not agree with what is going on here and they will do > as much as they can to not allow these teachings to commence or be > received in the ways that they are intended and given. > > I do not promote or partake of systems that are designed to exalt > another over and above the common person as it is my belief that we > are all able to reach these awakened states as a matter of course and > study and practice and yes of Shaktipat. > > Yet there are Kundalini active people who have activated inside of > these afore mentioned systems who will come into this group and then > selectively communicate with those of you here who are activating via > the techniques and practices as given here, as well as the Shaktipats > as given here, and do their level best to dissuade or persuade the > person to buy into their systems and they will actively refute or > contradict what it is I am doing as a teacher in this group. > > This has happened again recently with a member of this group. > > So for the first time I will give you a warning that this may occur > for you. As you activate and practice the safeties you may be > approached by those who do not agree with this and may promote a > fearful or express a very strong argument against your activation into > the Kundalini. > > Many of the negative experiences will be brought up for you to be > scared by. Misinterpretations and out of context or outright > fabricated statements tailor made by them to have been given by me in > order to manipulate a negative response to the teachings given can be > offered. Use your own discernment, but I ask that you run it by me > first and let me have a chance to clarify or deny making any kind of > statement that is defamatory or in another way being used to create a > fearful or of an undermining way of keeping you from the gift you > posses with in yourself. - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dear Chrism, >Use your own discernment, but I ask that you run it by me first and let me have a chance to clarify or deny making any kind of statement that is defamatory or in another way being used to create a fearful or of an undermining way of keeping you from the gift you posses with in yourself. - If someone dares to contact me in this regard ~ I will definitely run it by you. Kind regards...Angelina , " chrism " <> wrote: > > There are schools of thought about the Kundalini that do not support > the gifting of this energy for others unless through a select program > or lineage of study. > > These ideologies are there to protect those unable to navigate the > Kundalini in a safe way by themselves and these are helpful except in > the limiting factors that can exclude those on the path and in the > active search for these transformative realities. If you do not > worship the Guru then you do not get the gifts. > > Unless you are a recognized and accepted Shaktipat Guru or Sat Guru > from a recognized lineage and belief system then you are NOT supposed > to give this activation to anyone else. Many are not happy that I am > doing this as I am not of any lineage and do not promote or practice > a single belief system. > > I am seen as a " rogue " guru or teacher. Because of this I am a target > of those who do not agree with what is going on here and they will do > as much as they can to not allow these teachings to commence or be > received in the ways that they are intended and given. > > I do not promote or partake of systems that are designed to exalt > another over and above the common person as it is my belief that we > are all able to reach these awakened states as a matter of course and > study and practice and yes of Shaktipat. > > Yet there are Kundalini active people who have activated inside of > these afore mentioned systems who will come into this group and then > selectively communicate with those of you here who are activating via > the techniques and practices as given here, as well as the Shaktipats > as given here, and do their level best to dissuade or persuade the > person to buy into their systems and they will actively refute or > contradict what it is I am doing as a teacher in this group. > > This has happened again recently with a member of this group. > > So for the first time I will give you a warning that this may occur > for you. As you activate and practice the safeties you may be > approached by those who do not agree with this and may promote a > fearful or express a very strong argument against your activation into > the Kundalini. > > Many of the negative experiences will be brought up for you to be > scared by. Misinterpretations and out of context or outright > fabricated statements tailor made by them to have been given by me in > order to manipulate a negative response to the teachings given can be > offered. Use your own discernment, but I ask that you run it by me > first and let me have a chance to clarify or deny making any kind of > statement that is defamatory or in another way being used to create a > fearful or of an undermining way of keeping you from the gift you > posses with in yourself. - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 When I lived in Thailand the " Reiki police " dubbed me an unfit teacher (even though they did not know me) as I was giving reiki for free. My master who attuned me was also in this category. Funnily enough, a wonderful spiritual guy called " J " was also put into this grouping and rumours were spread abut him. All because we gave for free what the " reiki police " wanted to charge a fortune for. Most of these teachers were drunks, emotional wrecks or gossips. I put very little stock in to gossip, those who have nothing better to do then gossip as far as I'm concerned have nothing to TEACH ME. In fact, I have to say, that someone who is truly on a disciplined path should have better things to do with their time. Love Elektra x x x ________ Sent from Mail. A Smarter Inbox. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 OH! That why I keep getting these anonymous e-mails from within the group telling me to destroy my Sacred Chicken Costume and to stop my practice of Bowing Toward the Motor Home of (which in my case is due West) every morning! On a less serious note (heh-heh)--I believe there is only One Religion...we here on Earth are just having a terrible time trying to figure out what it involves...but we are learning! I'm not worried about any of that other stuff... I'll just carry on as always... :) Stephen Donning sacred Chicken Suit as I finish this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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