Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 I like Eckhart Tolle's new book, and his concept of " the pain body " and how it relates to the Ego. I think there is a reason we have an Ego, so we can function in the world at this point - the part of ego Tolle calls the pain body is the part we have to transcend. The way he describes it, it's almost as if we're possessed by an entity that enjoys pain. His comments about this are available on Oprah.com right now free of charge, I highly recommend downloading them. Brandi > ------- > Re: Checking In - Surrender > " peter.nichols " <peter > Sun, March 23, 2008 5:06 am > > > Hey Kids, > > I think Dhyana, is right, we never totally lose the ego as long as we > are alive (when we're not, it may be different). Jung talked about > this though in his work on individuation, which is a fancy word for > how we become ourselves. As we grow up we work to create a strong > ego, one that can withstand all the challenges it will go through in > our lives. Somewhere around (usually) early middle age we begin to > merge our ego with our unconscious giving us the ability to know > ourselves at a much deeper level. We begin to uncover the archetypes > that influence us, which up until then have been unconscious. The > shadow and anima/animus are common themes that come up in dreams as > this is happening. As our ego listens to the unconscious, intuition > opens up, and we more and more work out of the Self and not just our > ego. As Dhyana said, meditation and being present help the Self to > grow. If you're interested, wikipedia has good articles on > individuation and the archetypes. > > Love, > Peter > > > > , " novalees " > <Novalees wrote: > > > > I don't think anyone can drop the ego. As we become more aware the ego > > just disappears on its own. Its an illusion that we identify with, and > > think we are it. When we create a little space from it through > > meditation or just watching and staying in the present moment, it > > begins to lose its hold on us. Once we get a taste of freedom, we take > > back the wheel from it...and hand it over to Shakti! imho Love, dhyana > > > > > > , " gypsyeyes_101 " > > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > > > Why do you think it is so hard to drop the ego? Do you think it is > > > because it thinks that we will disappear and there will be nothing > > > left when we are not even this body? > > > > > > Love, Angelina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " novalees " > > > > > <Novalees@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure everyone has their own way of surrendering. To me, > > > > > > surrendering consists of keeping my ego out of it as much as > > > possible. > > > > > > The ego always wants to own everything and think its doing > it, and > > > > > > show how special it is, and want more. When I see it trying to > > raise > > > > > > its head I laugh at it, which strengthens my awareness a little > > > more. > > > > > > This seems to allow Shakti to move unhindered, and there comes > > a joy > > > > > > in sharing life with Her. I experience a deeper freedom to allow > > > > > > whatever is to be, in full contentment...as though if > nothing else > > > > > > happened I would still feel complete and happy. Surrender > > feels like > > > > > > another word for freedom. Does that help any? Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " gypsyeyes_101 " > > > > > > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you and I will focus on surrendering to Shakti...how > do we > > > > > > > surrender? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much Love to you, Angelina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Thank you for this information! I am watching now. I found myself stepping away from Tolle's teachings only because I know people who were using his pain body teaching as an excuse to stay in it. I can see now, this is not his teaching. Thanks! Laura M jazztalk wrote: I like Eckhart Tolle's new book, and his concept of " the pain body " and how it relates to the Ego. I think there is a reason we have an Ego, so we can function in the world at this point - the part of ego Tolle calls the pain body is the part we have to transcend. The way he describes it, it's almost as if we're possessed by an entity that enjoys pain. His comments about this are available on Oprah.com right now free of charge, I highly recommend downloading them. Brandi > ------- > Re: Checking In - Surrender > " peter.nichols " <peter > Sun, March 23, 2008 5:06 am > > > Hey Kids, > > I think Dhyana, is right, we never totally lose the ego as long as we > are alive (when we're not, it may be different). Jung talked about > this though in his work on individuation, which is a fancy word for > how we become ourselves. As we grow up we work to create a strong > ego, one that can withstand all the challenges it will go through in > our lives. Somewhere around (usually) early middle age we begin to > merge our ego with our unconscious giving us the ability to know > ourselves at a much deeper level. We begin to uncover the archetypes > that influence us, which up until then have been unconscious. The > shadow and anima/animus are common themes that come up in dreams as > this is happening. As our ego listens to the unconscious, intuition > opens up, and we more and more work out of the Self and not just our > ego. As Dhyana said, meditation and being present help the Self to > grow. If you're interested, wikipedia has good articles on > individuation and the archetypes. > > Love, > Peter > > > > , " novalees " > <Novalees wrote: > > > > I don't think anyone can drop the ego. As we become more aware the ego > > just disappears on its own. Its an illusion that we identify with, and > > think we are it. When we create a little space from it through > > meditation or just watching and staying in the present moment, it > > begins to lose its hold on us. Once we get a taste of freedom, we take > > back the wheel from it...and hand it over to Shakti! imho Love, dhyana > > > > > > , " gypsyeyes_101 " > > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > > > Why do you think it is so hard to drop the ego? Do you think it is > > > because it thinks that we will disappear and there will be nothing > > > left when we are not even this body? > > > > > > Love, Angelina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " novalees " > > > > > <Novalees@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure everyone has their own way of surrendering. To me, > > > > > > surrendering consists of keeping my ego out of it as much as > > > possible. > > > > > > The ego always wants to own everything and think its doing > it, and > > > > > > show how special it is, and want more. When I see it trying to > > raise > > > > > > its head I laugh at it, which strengthens my awareness a little > > > more. > > > > > > This seems to allow Shakti to move unhindered, and there comes > > a joy > > > > > > in sharing life with Her. I experience a deeper freedom to allow > > > > > > whatever is to be, in full contentment...as though if > nothing else > > > > > > happened I would still feel complete and happy. Surrender > > feels like > > > > > > another word for freedom. Does that help any? Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " gypsyeyes_101 " > > > > > > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you and I will focus on surrendering to Shakti...how > do we > > > > > > > surrender? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much Love to you, Angelina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 I can't say I am surprised by that ... they do the same thing with Myers-Briggs (laugh) ... " I am an ABCD and that's just the way it is! " ... uhm no. We have a choice how to react - I think at this stage of human growth, that is the key thing many of us are learning now. I also like Caroline Myss's thoughts on the inner victim, a similar concept to the pain body (different language, same idea). Ross Quinn describes this idea as the four reactions. Understanding we have been victims, how we react or that we have pain bodies is only the beginning. The critical thing is to get over it, to move beyond it, to choose a healthier way of being. You have hit on a really important point here. Brandi > ------- > Re: Ego - Pain bodies > Angelic Shadows <angelic_shadows2002 > Sun, March 23, 2008 9:27 am > > > Thank you for this information! I am watching now. I found myself stepping away from Tolle's teachings only because I know people who were using his pain body teaching as an excuse to stay in it. I can see now, this is not his teaching. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Brandi, You are so right, we have to " let it go " Eckart Tolle hit the nail on the head too, when he said " If your reading it, it is because you are awakening " And said something that took me YEARS to understand, that when we find something that is so true to us, the first thing we want to do is run and tell our families and friends. Of course their reaction is one each of us has felt, because they have not yet awakened, we have to remember, in their own time. I remind myself daily, once I was asleep too, and while I was asleep, I thought I knew too! Blessings, Laura jazztalk wrote: I can't say I am surprised by that ... they do the same thing with Myers-Briggs (laugh) ... " I am an ABCD and that's just the way it is! " ... uhm no. We have a choice how to react - I think at this stage of human growth, that is the key thing many of us are learning now. I also like Caroline Myss's thoughts on the inner victim, a similar concept to the pain body (different language, same idea). Ross Quinn describes this idea as the four reactions. Understanding we have been victims, how we react or that we have pain bodies is only the beginning. The critical thing is to get over it, to move beyond it, to choose a healthier way of being. You have hit on a really important point here. Brandi > ------- > Re: Ego - Pain bodies > Angelic Shadows <angelic_shadows2002 > Sun, March 23, 2008 9:27 am > > > Thank you for this information! I am watching now. I found myself stepping away from Tolle's teachings only because I know people who were using his pain body teaching as an excuse to stay in it. I can see now, this is not his teaching. Thanks! Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 > the first thing we want to do is run and tell our families and friends. Of course their reaction is one each of us has felt, because they have not yet awakened, we have to remember, in their own time. Laugh! I remember one talk by Caroline Myss and she said the same thing ... we go running back to the tribe and say " Guess what? I just realized I'm nothing like you! " (heh heh) ... then we wonder why they look at us like we've grown two heads. <g> ... my " tribe " were all Fundamentalist Pentecostals, you can imagine what that was like ;-) Brandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Oh YES! I can imagine, my siblings and I were all raised Jehovah's Wittness's. All have seperated into different religious beliefs, ALL of them fundemental. The one's who didnt fall in to that catagory, reached for drugs and alcohol to dull the pain. But, when their beliefs are put to the test (IE, if they believe in angels, or higher power, they did not believe that angels, or higher power spoke to me, they believed I was " loosing it " ) Apparently only men & women in the bible heard voices/saw visions and got away with it jazztalk wrote: > the first thing we want to do is run and tell our families and friends. Of course their reaction is one each of us has felt, because they have not yet awakened, we have to remember, in their own time. Laugh! I remember one talk by Caroline Myss and she said the same thing ... we go running back to the tribe and say " Guess what? I just realized I'm nothing like you! " (heh heh) ... then we wonder why they look at us like we've grown two heads. <g> ... my " tribe " were all Fundamentalist Pentecostals, you can imagine what that was like ;-) Brandi Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_download.jsp Here is the link for those who would like it ---- jazztalk wrote: > I like Eckhart Tolle's new book, and his concept of " the pain body " and how it relates to the Ego. I think there is a reason we have an Ego, so we can function in the world at this point - the part of ego Tolle calls the pain body is the part we have to transcend. The way he describes it, it's almost as if we're possessed by an entity that enjoys pain. His comments about this are available on Oprah.com right now free of charge, I highly recommend downloading them. > > Brandi > > > ------- > > Re: Checking In - Surrender > > " peter.nichols " <peter > > Sun, March 23, 2008 5:06 am > > > > > > Hey Kids, > > > > I think Dhyana, is right, we never totally lose the ego as long as we > > are alive (when we're not, it may be different). Jung talked about > > this though in his work on individuation, which is a fancy word for > > how we become ourselves. As we grow up we work to create a strong > > ego, one that can withstand all the challenges it will go through in > > our lives. Somewhere around (usually) early middle age we begin to > > merge our ego with our unconscious giving us the ability to know > > ourselves at a much deeper level. We begin to uncover the archetypes > > that influence us, which up until then have been unconscious. The > > shadow and anima/animus are common themes that come up in dreams as > > this is happening. As our ego listens to the unconscious, intuition > > opens up, and we more and more work out of the Self and not just our > > ego. As Dhyana said, meditation and being present help the Self to > > grow. If you're interested, wikipedia has good articles on > > individuation and the archetypes. > > > > Love, > > Peter > > > > > > > > , " novalees " > > <Novalees wrote: > > > > > > I don't think anyone can drop the ego. As we become more aware the ego > > > just disappears on its own. Its an illusion that we identify with, and > > > think we are it. When we create a little space from it through > > > meditation or just watching and staying in the present moment, it > > > begins to lose its hold on us. Once we get a taste of freedom, we take > > > back the wheel from it...and hand it over to Shakti! imho Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > , " gypsyeyes_101 " > > > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why do you think it is so hard to drop the ego? Do you think it is > > > > because it thinks that we will disappear and there will be nothing > > > > left when we are not even this body? > > > > > > > > Love, Angelina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " novalees " > > > > > > <Novalees@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure everyone has their own way of surrendering. To me, > > > > > > > surrendering consists of keeping my ego out of it as much as > > > > possible. > > > > > > > The ego always wants to own everything and think its doing > > it, and > > > > > > > show how special it is, and want more. When I see it trying to > > > raise > > > > > > > its head I laugh at it, which strengthens my awareness a little > > > > more. > > > > > > > This seems to allow Shakti to move unhindered, and there comes > > > a joy > > > > > > > in sharing life with Her. I experience a deeper freedom to allow > > > > > > > whatever is to be, in full contentment...as though if > > nothing else > > > > > > > happened I would still feel complete and happy. Surrender > > > feels like > > > > > > > another word for freedom. Does that help any? Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " gypsyeyes_101 " > > > > > > > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you and I will focus on surrendering to Shakti...how > > do we > > > > > > > > surrender? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much Love to you, Angelina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 The classes can also be watched without downloading: http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_watchnow.jsp , <pleiades69 wrote: > > http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_download.jsp > Here is the link for those who would like it > > > ---- jazztalk wrote: > > I like Eckhart Tolle's new book, and his concept of " the pain body " and how it relates to the Ego. I think there is a reason we have an Ego, so we can function in the world at this point - the part of ego Tolle calls the pain body is the part we have to transcend. The way he describes it, it's almost as if we're possessed by an entity that enjoys pain. His comments about this are available on Oprah.com right now free of charge, I highly recommend downloading them. > > > > Brandi > > > > > ------- > > > Re: Checking In - Surrender > > > " peter.nichols " <peter > > > Sun, March 23, 2008 5:06 am > > > > > > > > > Hey Kids, > > > > > > I think Dhyana, is right, we never totally lose the ego as long as we > > > are alive (when we're not, it may be different). Jung talked about > > > this though in his work on individuation, which is a fancy word for > > > how we become ourselves. As we grow up we work to create a strong > > > ego, one that can withstand all the challenges it will go through in > > > our lives. Somewhere around (usually) early middle age we begin to > > > merge our ego with our unconscious giving us the ability to know > > > ourselves at a much deeper level. We begin to uncover the archetypes > > > that influence us, which up until then have been unconscious. The > > > shadow and anima/animus are common themes that come up in dreams as > > > this is happening. As our ego listens to the unconscious, intuition > > > opens up, and we more and more work out of the Self and not just our > > > ego. As Dhyana said, meditation and being present help the Self to > > > grow. If you're interested, wikipedia has good articles on > > > individuation and the archetypes. > > > > > > Love, > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > , " novalees " > > > <Novalees@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't think anyone can drop the ego. As we become more aware the ego > > > > just disappears on its own. Its an illusion that we identify with, and > > > > think we are it. When we create a little space from it through > > > > meditation or just watching and staying in the present moment, it > > > > begins to lose its hold on us. Once we get a taste of freedom, we take > > > > back the wheel from it...and hand it over to Shakti! imho Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gypsyeyes_101 " > > > > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why do you think it is so hard to drop the ego? Do you think it is > > > > > because it thinks that we will disappear and there will be nothing > > > > > left when we are not even this body? > > > > > > > > > > Love, Angelina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " novalees " > > > > > > > <Novalees@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure everyone has their own way of surrendering. To me, > > > > > > > > surrendering consists of keeping my ego out of it as much as > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > The ego always wants to own everything and think its doing > > > it, and > > > > > > > > show how special it is, and want more. When I see it trying to > > > > raise > > > > > > > > its head I laugh at it, which strengthens my awareness a little > > > > > more. > > > > > > > > This seems to allow Shakti to move unhindered, and there comes > > > > a joy > > > > > > > > in sharing life with Her. I experience a deeper freedom to allow > > > > > > > > whatever is to be, in full contentment...as though if > > > nothing else > > > > > > > > happened I would still feel complete and happy. Surrender > > > > feels like > > > > > > > > another word for freedom. Does that help any? Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " gypsyeyes_101 " > > > > > > > > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you and I will focus on surrendering to Shakti...how > > > do we > > > > > > > > > surrender? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much Love to you, Angelina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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