Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I need to know how the Holy Spirit is connected with Kundalini. I am having problems understanding where Kundalini and the Holy Spirit are one of the same or are connected with each other. I have read many things and some are conflicting. According to the Bible it is my understanding that when you accept Christ as your Savior and are baptized in His name you are filled with the Holy Spirit and when you walk the talk you are given the power of the Holy Spirit just as it is spoken in Luke chapter 4 verses 1 and 14 when Jesus goes into the desert being FILLED with the Holy Spirit. After He totally defeats satan after the 40 days of fasting and of temptation Jesus comes out of the experience IN THE POWER OF the Holy Spirit. So where in this does Kundalini fit? I can see where the prayers, meditations, forgivenesses, trust, honesty, service, fasting, etc. can lead you toward being in the power of the Holy Spirit, but according to the Bible as I have said Jesus wasn't in the power until He fasted for 40 days and nights and was tempted by satan and defeated him. Fasting and prayer are a very vital part in the growth of spirituality and being in the power of the Spirit along with reading the Bible and learning about God in order to have eternal life. So could you please explain it to me in laymen's terms how the Kundalini connects to the Holy Spirit and if they are one how are they! Love, Katherine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hi Kat, Hope you don't mind me jumping in here. The Holy Spirit is present and active in many different capacities. I've seen the creative part the Spirit plays in bringing forth creation (Genesis), and the New Creation as well. Imho, the experience of Shakti and Kundalini is the " creative power " of the Holy Spirit at work again in the world. It is different from the other functions of the Spirit, as in the Baptism, new birth, and Gifts. It is a specific recreating power, unique from all the other ways the Holy Spirit manifests. My two cents! lol! Love, dhyana , " Katherine " <katsam19 wrote: > > I need to know how the Holy Spirit is connected with Kundalini. I am > having problems understanding where Kundalini and the Holy Spirit are > one of the same or are connected with each other. I have read many > things and some are conflicting. > > According to the Bible it is my understanding that when you accept > Christ as your Savior and are baptized in His name you are filled > with the Holy Spirit and when you walk the talk you are given the > power of the Holy Spirit just as it is spoken in Luke chapter 4 > verses 1 and 14 when Jesus goes into the desert being FILLED with the > Holy Spirit. After He totally defeats satan after the 40 days of > fasting and of temptation Jesus comes out of the experience IN THE > POWER OF the Holy Spirit. So where in this does Kundalini fit? I can > see where the prayers, meditations, forgivenesses, trust, honesty, > service, fasting, etc. can lead you toward being in the power of the > Holy Spirit, but according to the Bible as I have said Jesus wasn't > in the power until He fasted for 40 days and nights and was tempted > by satan and defeated him. Fasting and prayer are a very vital part > in the growth of spirituality and being in the power of the Spirit > along with reading the Bible and learning about God in order to have > eternal life. So could you please explain it to me in laymen's terms > how the Kundalini connects to the Holy Spirit and if they are one how > are they! > > Love, > Katherine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hi Katherine, I am not chrism, but I thought I would give you my take on it. Right before Jesus went into the desert to be alone, that was when he recieved the water baptism from John the Baptist. We all know that water baptism represents shedding/cleansing of our life up to that point. (symbolicly putting to death our old selfish ego self and then recieving a new spirit filled life for the new purpose of serving/living for the purpose of serving others. Just as Jesus recieved the Dove/Holy Spirit which decended upon him as he came up out of the water the same happens with all who goes through that process. One could look at that as the activation of the kundialin/Shakti. The Dove representing the Holy Spirit was not something new to the the christian religion. Going by the " Shining Ones " book that was a concept that goes back from the beginning of religions representing the feminine espect. Next Jesus went into the desert for " 40 days " which I see as symbolic (the #40 is very symbolic number, for one, it means maturation. In other words it means he went into the desrt to complete the process of his activation. Here the symbology of satan would represent his ego self which he was tempted to give into, but he was able to defeat or overcome it and by doing that he became fully awakened and empowered to do what he came into the physical to accomplished. He returned from the desert fully empowered and able to begain his ministry in giving serving his follow human being. That is the way I see it Katherine. You are not going to find it taught that way in any christian church though. You know that. Love you, Kat, Linda , " Katherine " <katsam19 wrote: > > I need to know how the Holy Spirit is connected with Kundalini. I am > having problems understanding where Kundalini and the Holy Spirit are > one of the same or are connected with each other. I have read many > things and some are conflicting. > > According to the Bible it is my understanding that when you accept > Christ as your Savior and are baptized in His name you are filled > with the Holy Spirit and when you walk the talk you are given the > power of the Holy Spirit just as it is spoken in Luke chapter 4 > verses 1 and 14 when Jesus goes into the desert being FILLED with the > Holy Spirit. After He totally defeats satan after the 40 days of > fasting and of temptation Jesus comes out of the experience IN THE > POWER OF the Holy Spirit. So where in this does Kundalini fit? I can > see where the prayers, meditations, forgivenesses, trust, honesty, > service, fasting, etc. can lead you toward being in the power of the > Holy Spirit, but according to the Bible as I have said Jesus wasn't > in the power until He fasted for 40 days and nights and was tempted > by satan and defeated him. Fasting and prayer are a very vital part > in the growth of spirituality and being in the power of the Spirit > along with reading the Bible and learning about God in order to have > eternal life. So could you please explain it to me in laymen's terms > how the Kundalini connects to the Holy Spirit and if they are one how > are they! > > Love, > Katherine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I agree Dhyana, I just realized recently from something John said on the Holy Fire group, that the triune God, each of the three parts are individually made of the two that is one. God the Father/Mother, The Son/the Daughter, and the Holy Spirit. Could it be Shiva/Shakti, male/feminine, logical/creative energy? Soul, mind and spirit. Love, Linda , " novalees " <Novalees wrote: > > Hi Kat, > > Hope you don't mind me jumping in here. > > The Holy Spirit is present and active in many different capacities. > I've seen the creative part the Spirit plays in bringing forth > creation (Genesis), and the New Creation as well. > > Imho, the experience of Shakti and Kundalini is the " creative power " > of the Holy Spirit at work again in the world. It is different from > the other functions of the Spirit, as in the Baptism, new birth, and > Gifts. It is a specific recreating power, unique from all the other > ways the Holy Spirit manifests. > > My two cents! lol! > Love, dhyana > > > , " Katherine " > <katsam19@> wrote: > > > > I need to know how the Holy Spirit is connected with Kundalini. I am > > having problems understanding where Kundalini and the Holy Spirit are > > one of the same or are connected with each other. I have read many > > things and some are conflicting. > > > > According to the Bible it is my understanding that when you accept > > Christ as your Savior and are baptized in His name you are filled > > with the Holy Spirit and when you walk the talk you are given the > > power of the Holy Spirit just as it is spoken in Luke chapter 4 > > verses 1 and 14 when Jesus goes into the desert being FILLED with the > > Holy Spirit. After He totally defeats satan after the 40 days of > > fasting and of temptation Jesus comes out of the experience IN THE > > POWER OF the Holy Spirit. So where in this does Kundalini fit? I can > > see where the prayers, meditations, forgivenesses, trust, honesty, > > service, fasting, etc. can lead you toward being in the power of the > > Holy Spirit, but according to the Bible as I have said Jesus wasn't > > in the power until He fasted for 40 days and nights and was tempted > > by satan and defeated him. Fasting and prayer are a very vital part > > in the growth of spirituality and being in the power of the Spirit > > along with reading the Bible and learning about God in order to have > > eternal life. So could you please explain it to me in laymen's terms > > how the Kundalini connects to the Holy Spirit and if they are one how > > are they! > > > > Love, > > Katherine > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Beautiful Chrism! , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Please first realize that I do not mean to impugn the bible in any > way. It is a sacred book of many truths and indeed as is proclaimed > by many, a word of God. Not the " only " word of God in my opinion. > I feel God speaks in many ways and as the wind blows and the > snowflakes fall I hear the word of God in those actions as well. > > So too with the communications of humans. God comes to and is with > all of us Christian, Buddhist, Islamist, Hindu, and Aboriginal > people alike as well as all others. God speaks to all of us in the > words that we are able to hear and understand. > > Your question is from your understanding and interpretation of the > bible as you have been taught and as has been inculcated within you. > You have absolute beliefs that do not allow other perceptions or > observations to come into play. > > As this is the case I can only use what you have given for me to use > in attempting to help you understand the connection between Christ > and Kundalini and God and Kundalini as is understood through the > scriptures. > > For the purpose of this explanation I must use the Holy Fire and the > Holy Ghost, and the Holy Spirit to be representing of the Kundalini. > And of course the bible doesn't mention the word Kundalini as that > word predates much of the Christian writings and is of the Sanskriti > peoples. Not the peoples of the lands of the bible. > > Please read St Theresa of Avila's autobiography and you can see how > she works with this blessing as well. > > There are parts of the bible that are conveniently overlooked by > today's Christian theologians. They will relegate to symbolism that > which they do not understand and the powers of the Holy Spirit as > well as the potentials of people as described by the Christ are only > some of the examples of current mis-understandings. > > What remains of the bible after the King James version still has > much truth and some of these truths are to be taken literally not as > symbolisms. > > Christ says " Know ye not that ye are Gods? All these things I do you > can do and more... " Forgive my incorrect quotes but you can get the > point. I do not see any symbolism there in those words. I see truth. > > Another one brought to me recently describes the teaching by Christ > about the third eye and the location of it. These are not accidental > references to something other than what is being talked about > whether or not it fits into nice and neat little packets of > information for the masses to swallow. > > These are truths. > > As far as the Baptism goes what would make a person feel that this > isn't the case with the Kundalini? What would make one feel that > Kundalini and the Holy Spirit are different? Does the concept need > to be printed in the bible, in the English words from the Aramaic > words in order to " fit " into the current philosophies of > contemporary Christian understandings? > > I personally do not feel this needs to be validated by the limited > understandings of the bible, in the limited minds of Men and Women, > of the lessons given through the bible. Validation comes from > experience and if a person has experience that helps them to > understand Kundalini as separate from the Holy Spirit then fine I am > happy with that and if a person has experiences that allows the > opposite to happen them fine I am good with that too. The bible > still has secrets to unfold and the time is not yet ripe for those > understandings to be given. More experience for those who follow the > Christian Path need to be allowed for. > > Fasting for forty days can activate the Kundalini in a person. Yet I > feel Christ didn't need to have that occur as he was active " going > into " the desert. There are those who come among us who are in a > state of advancement compared to those they come amongst at the time > they incarnate. Jesus Christ was one of those imho. I cannot prove > this but I feel it. > > Kundalini IS the Holy Spirit in my opinion. It IS the Holy Ghost and > it IS the Fire Of Christ and the Fire of God. It is all of these > things. Whether or not that can fit into the current thinking of > Christianity is not the point. > > Most Christians do not believe that they are Gods and can do the > miracles of Christ and more either. So it is as it is at this time > for those precious people. In Gods good time will they come into an > understanding and an experience of the Holy Spirit as is described > upon the body by the Kundalini. > > > It will be up to you Katherine to make the correlations > between " what you believe " the bible to be saying and what is > happening to a person inside of the Kundalini. When you ask this > question of the Christ what is his response? Did you do this first > before you asked the question of me? - lol - Blessings of Christ and > the lord God upon you dear sister - chrism > > > > , " Katherine " > <katsam19@> wrote: > > > > I need to know how the Holy Spirit is connected with Kundalini. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 > Kundalini IS the Holy Spirit in my opinion. It IS the Holy Ghost and > it IS the Fire Of Christ and the Fire of God. It is all of these > things. Whether or not that can fit into the current thinking of > Christianity is not the point. Right on Brother! , " gypsyeyes_101 " <gypsyeyes_101 wrote: > > Beautiful Chrism! > > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > Please first realize that I do not mean to impugn the bible in any > > way. It is a sacred book of many truths and indeed as is proclaimed > > by many, a word of God. Not the " only " word of God in my opinion. > > I feel God speaks in many ways and as the wind blows and the > > snowflakes fall I hear the word of God in those actions as well. > > > > So too with the communications of humans. God comes to and is with > > all of us Christian, Buddhist, Islamist, Hindu, and Aboriginal > > people alike as well as all others. God speaks to all of us in the > > words that we are able to hear and understand. > > > > Your question is from your understanding and interpretation of the > > bible as you have been taught and as has been inculcated within you. > > You have absolute beliefs that do not allow other perceptions or > > observations to come into play. > > > > As this is the case I can only use what you have given for me to use > > in attempting to help you understand the connection between Christ > > and Kundalini and God and Kundalini as is understood through the > > scriptures. > > > > For the purpose of this explanation I must use the Holy Fire and the > > Holy Ghost, and the Holy Spirit to be representing of the Kundalini. > > And of course the bible doesn't mention the word Kundalini as that > > word predates much of the Christian writings and is of the Sanskriti > > peoples. Not the peoples of the lands of the bible. > > > > Please read St Theresa of Avila's autobiography and you can see how > > she works with this blessing as well. > > > > There are parts of the bible that are conveniently overlooked by > > today's Christian theologians. They will relegate to symbolism that > > which they do not understand and the powers of the Holy Spirit as > > well as the potentials of people as described by the Christ are only > > some of the examples of current mis-understandings. > > > > What remains of the bible after the King James version still has > > much truth and some of these truths are to be taken literally not as > > symbolisms. > > > > Christ says " Know ye not that ye are Gods? All these things I do you > > can do and more... " Forgive my incorrect quotes but you can get the > > point. I do not see any symbolism there in those words. I see truth. > > > > Another one brought to me recently describes the teaching by Christ > > about the third eye and the location of it. These are not accidental > > references to something other than what is being talked about > > whether or not it fits into nice and neat little packets of > > information for the masses to swallow. > > > > These are truths. > > > > As far as the Baptism goes what would make a person feel that this > > isn't the case with the Kundalini? What would make one feel that > > Kundalini and the Holy Spirit are different? Does the concept need > > to be printed in the bible, in the English words from the Aramaic > > words in order to " fit " into the current philosophies of > > contemporary Christian understandings? > > > > I personally do not feel this needs to be validated by the limited > > understandings of the bible, in the limited minds of Men and Women, > > of the lessons given through the bible. Validation comes from > > experience and if a person has experience that helps them to > > understand Kundalini as separate from the Holy Spirit then fine I am > > happy with that and if a person has experiences that allows the > > opposite to happen them fine I am good with that too. The bible > > still has secrets to unfold and the time is not yet ripe for those > > understandings to be given. More experience for those who follow the > > Christian Path need to be allowed for. > > > > Fasting for forty days can activate the Kundalini in a person. Yet I > > feel Christ didn't need to have that occur as he was active " going > > into " the desert. There are those who come among us who are in a > > state of advancement compared to those they come amongst at the time > > they incarnate. Jesus Christ was one of those imho. I cannot prove > > this but I feel it. > > > > Kundalini IS the Holy Spirit in my opinion. It IS the Holy Ghost and > > it IS the Fire Of Christ and the Fire of God. It is all of these > > things. Whether or not that can fit into the current thinking of > > Christianity is not the point. > > > > Most Christians do not believe that they are Gods and can do the > > miracles of Christ and more either. So it is as it is at this time > > for those precious people. In Gods good time will they come into an > > understanding and an experience of the Holy Spirit as is described > > upon the body by the Kundalini. > > > > > > It will be up to you Katherine to make the correlations > > between " what you believe " the bible to be saying and what is > > happening to a person inside of the Kundalini. When you ask this > > question of the Christ what is his response? Did you do this first > > before you asked the question of me? - lol - Blessings of Christ and > > the lord God upon you dear sister - chrism > > > > > > > > , " Katherine " > > <katsam19@> wrote: > > > > > > I need to know how the Holy Spirit is connected with Kundalini. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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