Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Thank you Paul! First of all I would like to honor the astral travelers who have graced our small group! Sam (dallyup57) and Master Condrey and Claudia who do excellent work assisting with people exploring the Astral plane from the http://tech.OBE_Newsletter/. As well as Droxine who is here from the Flight_Plan/ group. To name a few. I thank all of the astral travelers here, mentioned or not, for your participation and membership and welcome your input and your experiences about your journeys. Kundalini and astral projection are very closely related as one can stimulate the other. Here is my attempt to put the astral into a perspective that physical based consciousness can grasp. The astral plane is the next order of density that intersects the physical plane. It is rich in consciousness and as its own laws and landscapes and creatures. If one were to place upon the astral plane physical plane constructs for understanding the use of the terms upper and lower and middle would be a close approximation for areas of density with in the astral plane itself. I have been in various modes of exploration of the astral prior to the Kundalini and then after it awakened. Kundalini changes things a bit. There are vast areas that comprise the physical plane so imagine how many lifetimes a human being would have to live to physically reach the nearest quasar. Walking or driving or flying a jet. Much time would be taken on that journey. The astral plane has its own extreme distances as well but the locomotion methods are different. And so can the idea of " time " be different. But that's too far ahead at this point. Density of expression can equal placement inside of the astral folds. Not always as expected and the firmness of certain rules we have become accustomed to here in the physical do not always apply there, but at least for me the density levels can correspond to certain frames of mind and intention when I have been astral traveling. This isn't to say that a persons " personal guidance " cannot swoop them off to another density at the blink of an eye. This happened to me consistently. Just saying that in my experience one can also navigate the astral with emotional feelings of certain densities by themselves. First one may want to become aware of the actual fact of being a " spirit in a body. " The actual fact can be had when one finds themselves wide awake floating above their sleeping body. My little sister had this occur and swore off a certain substance that she thought caused this to happen to her as she felt that she had died. We all leave the body when we sleep we just do not remember or feel the separations that occur. The loss of consciousness blocks this, yet one doesn't need to loose consciousness in order to witness this fact of human expression and physical maintenance. We leave the body as " a consciousness " and consciousness doesn't require rest and restoration in the same way as the physical vessel does. The physical body needs time for the elimination of wastes and the balancing of other materials in the body to prepare for the next day. Or night. The mind or consciousness can wander into areas that are for its continued evolution and learning while this takes place. It is our memories of these events that can be described as dreams and OOB (out of body) experiences. So floating above the body can be a real shock for those here who are uninitiated to this fact. Once one gets over that, well then floating around the room is fun and then outside and then off planet and then off the charts! Yet we can always be confident of returning to the body as we are attached as long as the body lives. Fear usually will snap one back but not always. -lol. Fear is a barrier that we must strive to over come in the astral as well as the physical. The more we explore the less fearful it becomes and soon we have signposts that have become familiar and with the familiar, fear loosens its hold. So for those who are interested first hold in your thoughts the idea that you are more than your body. See what that does to your dreams and I will continue about the astral and Kundalini at another time. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Thank you Chrism, I am very much interested in this, not for the pleasure aspect of having OBEs, but more so toward the aspects of healing in the astral. I am very much interested in the part that kundalini plays in all that, as well. From my dreams and OBE's so far, I feel I have been a healer or very into healing not only of the physical but the emotional, mental and spiritual aspects of it, not just in this lifetime but in many, as well as it is something that I participate in at night in the astral. Most of my interest/work here in the physical as well at the astral at night evolves around children/healing. I know this from the OBEs and dreams I've had, but have only recieved a peek at what all it entials. *sigh* Maybe it isn't something I am suppose to become more conscious of, but since that one long OBE of my astral home, I have been driven to know more about myself in those regards. It is constantly on my mind. Linda , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Thank you Paul! > > First of all I would like to honor the astral travelers who have > graced our small group! Sam (dallyup57) and Master Condrey and > Claudia who do excellent work assisting with people exploring the > Astral plane from the > > http://tech.OBE_Newsletter/. As well as > > Droxine who is here from the > > Flight_Plan/ group. > > To name a few. > > I thank all of the astral travelers here, mentioned or not, for your > participation and membership and welcome your input and your > experiences about your journeys. > > Kundalini and astral projection are very closely related as one can > stimulate the other. Here is my attempt to put the astral into a > perspective that physical based consciousness can grasp. > > The astral plane is the next order of density that intersects the > physical plane. It is rich in consciousness and as its own laws and > landscapes and creatures. If one were to place upon the astral plane > physical plane constructs for understanding the use of the terms > upper and lower and middle would be a close approximation for areas > of density with in the astral plane itself. > > I have been in various modes of exploration of the astral prior to > the Kundalini and then after it awakened. Kundalini changes things a > bit. There are vast areas that comprise the physical plane so > imagine how many lifetimes a human being would have to live to > physically reach the nearest quasar. Walking or driving or flying a > jet. Much time would be taken on that journey. The astral plane has > its own extreme distances as well but the locomotion methods are > different. And so can the idea of " time " be different. But that's > too far ahead at this point. > > Density of expression can equal placement inside of the astral > folds. Not always as expected and the firmness of certain rules we > have become accustomed to here in the physical do not always apply > there, but at least for me the density levels can correspond to > certain frames of mind and intention when I have been astral > traveling. This isn't to say that a persons " personal guidance " > cannot swoop them off to another density at the blink of an eye. > This happened to me consistently. Just saying that in my experience > one can also navigate the astral with emotional feelings of certain > densities by themselves. > > First one may want to become aware of the actual fact of being > a " spirit in a body. " The actual fact can be had when one finds > themselves wide awake floating above their sleeping body. My little > sister had this occur and swore off a certain substance that she > thought caused this to happen to her as she felt that she had died. > > We all leave the body when we sleep we just do not remember or feel > the separations that occur. The loss of consciousness blocks this, > yet one doesn't need to loose consciousness in order to witness this > fact of human expression and physical maintenance. > > We leave the body as " a consciousness " and consciousness doesn't > require rest and restoration in the same way as the physical vessel > does. The physical body needs time for the elimination of wastes and > the balancing of other materials in the body to prepare for the next > day. Or night. The mind or consciousness can wander into areas that > are for its continued evolution and learning while this takes place. > It is our memories of these events that can be described as dreams > and OOB (out of body) experiences. > > So floating above the body can be a real shock for those here who > are uninitiated to this fact. Once one gets over that, well then > floating around the room is fun and then outside and then off planet > and then off the charts! Yet we can always be confident of returning > to the body as we are attached as long as the body lives. Fear > usually will snap one back but not always. -lol. > > Fear is a barrier that we must strive to over come in the astral as > well as the physical. The more we explore the less fearful it > becomes and soon we have signposts that have become familiar and > with the familiar, fear loosens its hold. So for those who are > interested first hold in your thoughts the idea that you are more > than your body. See what that does to your dreams and I will > continue about the astral and Kundalini at another time. - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 i'm a bit confused about the topic of Astral Traveling for me there has been an interest in it ever since i've heard about it.. it's damn exciting. but then I starting learning more from teachers of nonduality and the direct path to enlightenment and what they teach is that working with phenomena (astral travel) will only slow down your progress. i can see what they are saying, there are many who are on the path who get sidetracked and focus on third eye things like astral travel, learning from " ascended masters " and working on clairvoyance and all that, and i can see that its all just ego clinging once again. spiritual materialism. what can these 'ascended masters' really teach you except look inside yourself, let go of everything, and realize you're divine? i'd love to hear your take chrism, on how astral travel is beneficial for those on the direct path. mikael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Astral Traveling is simply leaving your body when it is in a state of sleep but your mind is awake. This could slow your progress if you work only on this IMO. Maybe try meditating 3-5 times a week and focus'ing on ap'ing 1-2? Then again my main goal was AP'ing but I found myself getting side tracked by the feeling of the chakras and then focusing on the root and lighting the flame...I don't regret anything about it at all though. , " mikael " <mixolyd wrote: > > i'm a bit confused about the topic of Astral Traveling > for me there has been an interest in it ever since i've heard about > it.. it's damn exciting. but then I starting learning more from > teachers of nonduality and the direct path to enlightenment and what > they teach is that working with phenomena (astral travel) will only > slow down your progress. i can see what they are saying, there are > many who are on the path who get sidetracked and focus on third eye > things like astral travel, learning from " ascended masters " and > working on clairvoyance and all that, and i can see that its all just > ego clinging once again. spiritual materialism. what can these > 'ascended masters' really teach you except look inside yourself, let > go of everything, and realize you're divine? > i'd love to hear your take chrism, on how astral travel is beneficial > for those on the direct path. > mikael > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 I'm so tired and have to go to bed now, but I just had to comment on this.I think that everyone of us leave our bodies while asleep.This thing to be awake when you obe happened to me too without even trying.No,I read no books and I still did it.It felt weird and I could see inside my room but my eyes were closed and I got to read from this book which said " it's not everyday that you get to see the golden one " .Other times I remembered looking at myself sleeping in my bed and next to me there was this light purplish yellow body or something curled up right next to me.More than once I became aware that I wasn't sleeping and something was next to me nudging me to my left and twice it slammed into me so hard,I'm sure that if I was fully awake I would've jumped up and ran screaming.No such luch.Nothing scares me anymore though.I told my son that when I was a child I was dreaming of flying and jumping from buildings and it was so much fun and he looked at me like I was crazy.He says he can't remember his dreams but sometimes it feels like he's falling and that's how the obe starts.Talk to you guys tomorrow. Love,Nicole , " zappy3491 " <zappy3491 wrote: > > Astral Traveling is simply leaving your body when it is in a state of > sleep but your mind is awake. > > This could slow your progress if you work only on this IMO. Maybe try > meditating 3-5 times a week and focus'ing on ap'ing 1-2? > > Then again my main goal was AP'ing but I found myself getting side > tracked by the feeling of the chakras and then focusing on the root > and lighting the flame...I don't regret anything about it at all though. > > , " mikael " > <mixolyd@> wrote: > > > > i'm a bit confused about the topic of Astral Traveling > > for me there has been an interest in it ever since i've heard about > > it.. it's damn exciting. but then I starting learning more from > > teachers of nonduality and the direct path to enlightenment and what > > they teach is that working with phenomena (astral travel) will only > > slow down your progress. i can see what they are saying, there are > > many who are on the path who get sidetracked and focus on third eye > > things like astral travel, learning from " ascended masters " and > > working on clairvoyance and all that, and i can see that its all just > > ego clinging once again. spiritual materialism. what can these > > 'ascended masters' really teach you except look inside yourself, let > > go of everything, and realize you're divine? > > i'd love to hear your take chrism, on how astral travel is beneficial > > for those on the direct path. > > mikael > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 i feel that the problem with AP is that you are only reinforcing the belief of duality. you are not the body, correct, but you are not your energy body either. , " zappy3491 " <zappy3491 wrote: > > Astral Traveling is simply leaving your body when it is in a state of > sleep but your mind is awake. > > This could slow your progress if you work only on this IMO. Maybe try > meditating 3-5 times a week and focus'ing on ap'ing 1-2? > > Then again my main goal was AP'ing but I found myself getting side > tracked by the feeling of the chakras and then focusing on the root > and lighting the flame...I don't regret anything about it at all though. > > , " mikael " > <mixolyd@> wrote: > > > > i'm a bit confused about the topic of Astral Traveling > > for me there has been an interest in it ever since i've heard about > > it.. it's damn exciting. but then I starting learning more from > > teachers of nonduality and the direct path to enlightenment and what > > they teach is that working with phenomena (astral travel) will only > > slow down your progress. i can see what they are saying, there are > > many who are on the path who get sidetracked and focus on third eye > > things like astral travel, learning from " ascended masters " and > > working on clairvoyance and all that, and i can see that its all just > > ego clinging once again. spiritual materialism. what can these > > 'ascended masters' really teach you except look inside yourself, let > > go of everything, and realize you're divine? > > i'd love to hear your take chrism, on how astral travel is beneficial > > for those on the direct path. > > mikael > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 The way I see it, you have an astral body for a purpose, same as there is the physical body for a purpose. There are some things that take place in the astral, that can't be done in the physical. There is a reason for it all. We are multi-dimensional beings. Becoming aware of the astral life is just a means of getting to know more about yourself. Linda , " mikael " <mixolyd wrote: > > i feel that the problem with AP is that you are only reinforcing the > belief of duality. you are not the body, correct, but you are not your > energy body either. > > > , " zappy3491 " > <zappy3491@> wrote: > > > > Astral Traveling is simply leaving your body when it is in a state of > > sleep but your mind is awake. > > > > This could slow your progress if you work only on this IMO. Maybe try > > meditating 3-5 times a week and focus'ing on ap'ing 1-2? > > > > Then again my main goal was AP'ing but I found myself getting side > > tracked by the feeling of the chakras and then focusing on the root > > and lighting the flame...I don't regret anything about it at all though. > > > > , " mikael " > > <mixolyd@> wrote: > > > > > > i'm a bit confused about the topic of Astral Traveling > > > for me there has been an interest in it ever since i've heard about > > > it.. it's damn exciting. but then I starting learning more from > > > teachers of nonduality and the direct path to enlightenment and what > > > they teach is that working with phenomena (astral travel) will only > > > slow down your progress. i can see what they are saying, there are > > > many who are on the path who get sidetracked and focus on third eye > > > things like astral travel, learning from " ascended masters " and > > > working on clairvoyance and all that, and i can see that its all just > > > ego clinging once again. spiritual materialism. what can these > > > 'ascended masters' really teach you except look inside yourself, let > > > go of everything, and realize you're divine? > > > i'd love to hear your take chrism, on how astral travel is beneficial > > > for those on the direct path. > > > mikael > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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