Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 This is a term provided by Samael Aun Weor, some of his follower's feel he got from South America. It's a " Gnostic " term. To me it is an attempt by him to explain some of the difficult conditions of the Kundalini with in a Christian context. The use of Satan and fear and the " down ward " activation and so forth. He describes it as an organ some also describe it as a buffer. It is mainly for those who wish to study the Kundalini with in the areas of polarity of action and intention. It also gives somewhat of a blame target for the kundartiguadors existence and therefore the innocence of humanity as the victim of a larger scenario. I do not feel we are victims. We make choices and we learn from the consequences of those choices. This includes choices made before the flesh is born and the body received. We have issues that need resolution and we strive to do that inside a limited sense equation where we must make choices based upon our intuitive feelings whether those come to us as feelings or urges or in social structures of belief systems. I do not advocate a downward activation due to the pain and the confusion and some of the other more unfortunate experiences one " can " have. Doesn't mean there won't be those who wish to go there.Doesn't mean they do not have every right to do so. Doesnt even mean one " has " to have a bad expreince as some activate top down naturally. Sometimes theseexperiences are part of the polishing of the stone and they need to be had. So I do not judge them or insinuate causative action or suggest goodness or badness. It is their experience and until it infringes by intention or action or both upon those who do not wish it that experience will be seen as an option. Besides avitohol1 said his activation went up not down though NOW that he's been TOLD he will try to put it down I'm sure. Whose Karma is that Eh? We will reap the rewards of our actions upon others. I recall a claim of making others disappear(smile). Doesn't matter. Yhe experience and intentions will condition actions and the person will learn eventually. We all do. We will also learn that being balanced allows one to see through fear and those who may monger it by accident or on purpose. What Sam Aun Weor said about this I give it very limited credence as he was only partial in his understandings and subject to the fears and the trappings of fear promulgated by his interpretation of his belief system and those who would build towards a fearful direction by instilling fear based experiences upon him for contol of him. By discarnates or those incarnated. We suffer for our beliefs at times and until we can break through into deeper and less fearful understandings we may have to become- , " Melissa " <mm7810 wrote: > > Okay, I'm lost! What the h*ll is a kundabuffer????? > > Love, > > Melissa > > , Claudia > <newtfoodbowl@> wrote: > > > > Hi, chadtree1...are you new? I was talking to about this > aspect recently, which is also called 'contiguador,' and he told me > that whatever we may have heard as to a Satanic aspect of the > Kundalini is not part of the process but part of what people choose > to ADD to the process based on their fears. There are enough > natural fear issues brought up in the process of awakening one's > Kundalini, lol! Perhaps will address this aspect in more > detail when he comes online later today. > > > > If you are not a newbie and I have forgotten, please forgive > me....but if you are new, please tell us more about yourself and > your K experience! > > > > Blessings to you, > > Claudia > > > > > > > > chadtree1 <chadtree1@> wrote: > > Was wondering if anyone could share thoughts or opinions > of the > > Kundalini rising and the aspect of the Kundabuffer organ ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Hi Chrism, I just saw your reply and understand the polishing of the stone. Thank you! Kind regards...Angelina , " chrism " <> wrote: > > This is a term provided by Samael Aun Weor, some of his follower's > feel he got from South America. It's a " Gnostic " term. To me it is > an attempt by him to explain some of the difficult conditions of the > Kundalini with in a Christian context. The use of Satan and fear and > the " down ward " activation and so forth. > > He describes it as an organ some also describe it as a buffer. It is > mainly for those who wish to study the Kundalini with in the areas > of polarity of action and intention. It also gives somewhat of a > blame target for the kundartiguadors existence and therefore the > innocence of humanity as the victim of a larger scenario. > > I do not feel we are victims. We make choices and we learn from the > consequences of those choices. This includes choices made before the > flesh is born and the body received. We have issues that need > resolution and we strive to do that inside a limited sense equation > where we must make choices based upon our intuitive feelings whether > those come to us as feelings or urges or in social structures of > belief systems. > > I do not advocate a downward activation due to the pain and the > confusion and some of the other more unfortunate experiences > one " can " have. Doesn't mean there won't be those who wish to go > there.Doesn't mean they do not have every right to do so. Doesnt > even mean one " has " to have a bad expreince as some activate top > down naturally. Sometimes theseexperiences are part of the polishing > of the stone and they need to be had. > > So I do not judge them or insinuate causative action or suggest > goodness or badness. It is their experience and until it infringes > by intention or action or both upon those who do not wish it that > experience will be seen as an option. Besides avitohol1 said his > activation went up not down though NOW that he's been TOLD he will > try to put it down I'm sure. Whose Karma is that Eh? > > We will reap the rewards of our actions upon others. I recall a > claim of making others disappear(smile). Doesn't matter. Yhe > experience and intentions will condition actions and the person will > learn eventually. We all do. We will also learn that being > balanced allows one to see through fear and those who may monger it > by accident or on purpose. > > > What Sam Aun Weor said about this I give it very limited > credence as he was only partial in his understandings and subject to > the fears and the trappings of fear promulgated by his > interpretation of his belief system and those who would build > towards a fearful direction by instilling fear based experiences > upon him for contol of him. By discarnates or those incarnated. We > suffer for our beliefs at times and until we can break through into > deeper and less fearful understandings we may have to become- > > > , " Melissa " > <mm7810@> wrote: > > > > Okay, I'm lost! What the h*ll is a kundabuffer????? > > > > Love, > > > > Melissa > > > > , Claudia > > <newtfoodbowl@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, chadtree1...are you new? I was talking to about > this > > aspect recently, which is also called 'contiguador,' and he told > me > > that whatever we may have heard as to a Satanic aspect of the > > Kundalini is not part of the process but part of what people > choose > > to ADD to the process based on their fears. There are enough > > natural fear issues brought up in the process of awakening one's > > Kundalini, lol! Perhaps will address this aspect in more > > detail when he comes online later today. > > > > > > If you are not a newbie and I have forgotten, please forgive > > me....but if you are new, please tell us more about yourself and > > your K experience! > > > > > > Blessings to you, > > > Claudia > > > > > > > > > > > > chadtree1 <chadtree1@> wrote: > > > Was wondering if anyone could share thoughts or > opinions > > of the > > > Kundalini rising and the aspect of the Kundabuffer organ ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 " Kundabuffer " is actually a word Gurdjieff made up, amidst many, in his trilogy " All an Everything. " When Beelzabub (who was exiled to a far off world, and whose spaceship was orbitting earth to gain momentum was describing to his grandson the pecular beings on the planet earth), as a mechanism implanted in humans to supress Kundalini, or that method of " awakening " , He was against the idea of Kundalini developement, seeing it as the power of imagination replacing a real function such as reality--- " a sheep that considers itself a lion or a magician lives under the power of Kundalini. " I personally do believe it is possible for certain people to dream of waking up....but only certain people, at certain moments and in certain places... Boomshiva, Sat Nam, and Nameste. pm chrism <> wrote: This is a term provided by Samael Aun Weor, some of his follower's feel he got from South America. It's a " Gnostic " term. To me it is an attempt by him to explain some of the difficult conditions of the Kundalini with in a Christian context. The use of Satan and fear and the " down ward " activation and so forth. He describes it as an organ some also describe it as a buffer. It is mainly for those who wish to study the Kundalini with in the areas of polarity of action and intention. It also gives somewhat of a blame target for the kundartiguadors existence and therefore the innocence of humanity as the victim of a larger scenario. I do not feel we are victims. We make choices and we learn from the consequences of those choices. This includes choices made before the flesh is born and the body received. We have issues that need resolution and we strive to do that inside a limited sense equation where we must make choices based upon our intuitive feelings whether those come to us as feelings or urges or in social structures of belief systems. I do not advocate a downward activation due to the pain and the confusion and some of the other more unfortunate experiences one " can " have. Doesn't mean there won't be those who wish to go there.Doesn't mean they do not have every right to do so. Doesnt even mean one " has " to have a bad expreince as some activate top down naturally. Sometimes theseexperiences are part of the polishing of the stone and they need to be had. So I do not judge them or insinuate causative action or suggest goodness or badness. It is their experience and until it infringes by intention or action or both upon those who do not wish it that experience will be seen as an option. Besides avitohol1 said his activation went up not down though NOW that he's been TOLD he will try to put it down I'm sure. Whose Karma is that Eh? We will reap the rewards of our actions upon others. I recall a claim of making others disappear(smile). Doesn't matter. Yhe experience and intentions will condition actions and the person will learn eventually. We all do. We will also learn that being balanced allows one to see through fear and those who may monger it by accident or on purpose. What Sam Aun Weor said about this I give it very limited credence as he was only partial in his understandings and subject to the fears and the trappings of fear promulgated by his interpretation of his belief system and those who would build towards a fearful direction by instilling fear based experiences upon him for contol of him. By discarnates or those incarnated. We suffer for our beliefs at times and until we can break through into deeper and less fearful understandings we may have to become- , " Melissa " <mm7810 wrote: > > Okay, I'm lost! What the h*ll is a kundabuffer????? > > Love, > > Melissa > > , Claudia > <newtfoodbowl@> wrote: > > > > Hi, chadtree1...are you new? I was talking to about this > aspect recently, which is also called 'contiguador,' and he told me > that whatever we may have heard as to a Satanic aspect of the > Kundalini is not part of the process but part of what people choose > to ADD to the process based on their fears. There are enough > natural fear issues brought up in the process of awakening one's > Kundalini, lol! Perhaps will address this aspect in more > detail when he comes online later today. > > > > If you are not a newbie and I have forgotten, please forgive > me....but if you are new, please tell us more about yourself and > your K experience! > > > > Blessings to you, > > Claudia > > > > > > > > chadtree1 <chadtree1@> wrote: > > Was wondering if anyone could share thoughts or opinions > of the > > Kundalini rising and the aspect of the Kundabuffer organ ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Hi Paul, This is interesting and can definitely see where magic is involved! Kind regards...Angelina , paul mccarthy <railroad7000 wrote: > > " Kundabuffer " is actually a word Gurdjieff made up, amidst many, in his trilogy " All an Everything. " When Beelzabub (who was exiled to a far off world, and whose spaceship was orbitting earth to gain momentum was describing to his grandson the pecular beings on the planet earth), as a mechanism implanted in humans to supress Kundalini, or that method of " awakening " , He was against the idea of Kundalini developement, seeing it as the power of imagination replacing a real function such as reality--- " a sheep that considers itself a lion or a magician lives under the power of Kundalini. " > I personally do believe it is possible for certain people to dream of waking up....but only certain people, at certain moments and in certain places... > Boomshiva, Sat Nam, and Nameste. > pm > > chrism <> wrote: > This is a term provided by Samael Aun Weor, some of his follower's > feel he got from South America. It's a " Gnostic " term. To me it is > an attempt by him to explain some of the difficult conditions of the > Kundalini with in a Christian context. The use of Satan and fear and > the " down ward " activation and so forth. > > He describes it as an organ some also describe it as a buffer. It is > mainly for those who wish to study the Kundalini with in the areas > of polarity of action and intention. It also gives somewhat of a > blame target for the kundartiguadors existence and therefore the > innocence of humanity as the victim of a larger scenario. > > I do not feel we are victims. We make choices and we learn from the > consequences of those choices. This includes choices made before the > flesh is born and the body received. We have issues that need > resolution and we strive to do that inside a limited sense equation > where we must make choices based upon our intuitive feelings whether > those come to us as feelings or urges or in social structures of > belief systems. > > I do not advocate a downward activation due to the pain and the > confusion and some of the other more unfortunate experiences > one " can " have. Doesn't mean there won't be those who wish to go > there.Doesn't mean they do not have every right to do so. Doesnt > even mean one " has " to have a bad expreince as some activate top > down naturally. Sometimes theseexperiences are part of the polishing > of the stone and they need to be had. > > So I do not judge them or insinuate causative action or suggest > goodness or badness. It is their experience and until it infringes > by intention or action or both upon those who do not wish it that > experience will be seen as an option. Besides avitohol1 said his > activation went up not down though NOW that he's been TOLD he will > try to put it down I'm sure. Whose Karma is that Eh? > > We will reap the rewards of our actions upon others. I recall a > claim of making others disappear(smile). Doesn't matter. Yhe > experience and intentions will condition actions and the person will > learn eventually. We all do. We will also learn that being > balanced allows one to see through fear and those who may monger it > by accident or on purpose. > > What Sam Aun Weor said about this I give it very limited > credence as he was only partial in his understandings and subject to > the fears and the trappings of fear promulgated by his > interpretation of his belief system and those who would build > towards a fearful direction by instilling fear based experiences > upon him for contol of him. By discarnates or those incarnated. We > suffer for our beliefs at times and until we can break through into > deeper and less fearful understandings we may have to become- > > > , " Melissa " > <mm7810@> wrote: > > > > Okay, I'm lost! What the h*ll is a kundabuffer????? > > > > Love, > > > > Melissa > > > > , Claudia > > <newtfoodbowl@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, chadtree1...are you new? I was talking to about > this > > aspect recently, which is also called 'contiguador,' and he told > me > > that whatever we may have heard as to a Satanic aspect of the > > Kundalini is not part of the process but part of what people > choose > > to ADD to the process based on their fears. There are enough > > natural fear issues brought up in the process of awakening one's > > Kundalini, lol! Perhaps will address this aspect in more > > detail when he comes online later today. > > > > > > If you are not a newbie and I have forgotten, please forgive > > me....but if you are new, please tell us more about yourself and > > your K experience! > > > > > > Blessings to you, > > > Claudia > > > > > > > > > > > > chadtree1 <chadtree1@> wrote: > > > Was wondering if anyone could share thoughts or > opinions > > of the > > > Kundalini rising and the aspect of the Kundabuffer organ ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Hello Paul Mccarthy, Yes I see were this is mentioned. Here is the link: http://digitalseance.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/gurdjieff-kundabuffer- war/ Doesnt look like that will work but ai will cross my fingers - lol. Yes the Beelzebub spaceship writing is there or at least partially so. I dont know if this was part of his Zoroastrianism mixed with Sufism or what other admixture of and overlay of mythic traditions he was using to get his readers to think but it is as viable as anyone elses opinions. I feel that there are many reasons why people will try to hold back the development of humanity via the Kundalini (tailed or not-lol) And as it is within us, and as people come into it without trying or via percussive trauma or a slew of other vectors and approaches, I am going to continue along this path for as far as it will take me. And I will do my best to help others as much as I can on that very same path. And Beelzebub and all other exalted beings can receive these blessings from us mere humans with only this bi cameral brain or not their choice if they have bestowed with that quality. And they can teach and they can learn from us. Thiers isnt the only form of divinity in creation and if they teach by fear, then they have more to learn. And they will continue the orbit till they can get it right! imho. - blessings and welcome Paul Mccarthy - chrism , paul mccarthy <railroad7000 wrote: > > " Kundabuffer " is actually a word Gurdjieff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 Hi Chrism, This is an interesting paragraph from your link regarding the transformation of the collective consciousness but I think it would pertain more to a collective unconsciousness: While the individual awakening of consciousness is possible and is certainly our primary responsibility, the transformation of collective consciousness from the bondage created by unconscious cravings and hatreds, in a situation of rapidly deteriorating planetary environments and the slow-motion collapse of civilization, would seem to be a highly improbable, if not totally impossible challenge. It is in this sense that I would understand Gurdjieff-Beelzebub's seemingly bizarre and improbable prescription. Kind regards...Angelina , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Hello Paul Mccarthy, > Yes I see were this is mentioned. Here is the > link: > > http://digitalseance.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/gurdjieff-kundabuffer- > war/ > > Doesnt look like that will work but ai will cross my fingers - lol. > > Yes the Beelzebub spaceship writing is there or at least partially > so. I dont know if this was part of his Zoroastrianism mixed with > Sufism or what other admixture of and overlay of mythic traditions > he was using to get his readers to think but it is as viable as > anyone elses opinions. > > I feel that there are many reasons why people will try to hold back > the development of humanity via the Kundalini (tailed or not-lol) > And as it is within us, and as people come into it without trying or > via percussive trauma or a slew of other vectors and approaches, I > am going to continue along this path for as far as it will take me. > And I will do my best to help others as much as I can on that very > same path. > > And Beelzebub and all other exalted beings can receive these > blessings from us mere humans with only this bi cameral brain or not > their choice if they have bestowed with that quality. And they can > teach and they can learn from us. Thiers isnt the only form of > divinity in creation and if they teach by fear, then they have more > to learn. And they will continue the orbit till they can get it > right! imho. - blessings and welcome Paul Mccarthy - chrism > > > > > , paul mccarthy > <railroad7000@> wrote: > > > > " Kundabuffer " is actually a word Gurdjieff > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 .... a particular archetype of a collective unconsciousness to be precise ... , " gypsyeyes_101 " <gypsyeyes_101 wrote: > > Hi Chrism, > > This is an interesting paragraph from your link regarding the > transformation of the collective consciousness but I think it would > pertain more to a collective unconsciousness: > > While the individual awakening of consciousness is possible and is > certainly our primary responsibility, the transformation of collective > consciousness from the bondage created by unconscious cravings and > hatreds, in a situation of rapidly deteriorating planetary > environments and the slow-motion collapse of civilization, would seem > to be a highly improbable, if not totally impossible challenge. It is > in this sense that I would understand Gurdjieff-Beelzebub's seemingly > bizarre and improbable prescription. > > Kind regards...Angelina > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > Hello Paul Mccarthy, > > Yes I see were this is mentioned. Here is the > > link: > > > > http://digitalseance.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/gurdjieff-kundabuffer- > > war/ > > > > Doesnt look like that will work but ai will cross my fingers - lol. > > > > Yes the Beelzebub spaceship writing is there or at least partially > > so. I dont know if this was part of his Zoroastrianism mixed with > > Sufism or what other admixture of and overlay of mythic traditions > > he was using to get his readers to think but it is as viable as > > anyone elses opinions. > > > > I feel that there are many reasons why people will try to hold back > > the development of humanity via the Kundalini (tailed or not-lol) > > And as it is within us, and as people come into it without trying or > > via percussive trauma or a slew of other vectors and approaches, I > > am going to continue along this path for as far as it will take me. > > And I will do my best to help others as much as I can on that very > > same path. > > > > And Beelzebub and all other exalted beings can receive these > > blessings from us mere humans with only this bi cameral brain or not > > their choice if they have bestowed with that quality. And they can > > teach and they can learn from us. Thiers isnt the only form of > > divinity in creation and if they teach by fear, then they have more > > to learn. And they will continue the orbit till they can get it > > right! imho. - blessings and welcome Paul Mccarthy - chrism > > > > > > > > > > , paul mccarthy > > <railroad7000@> wrote: > > > > > > " Kundabuffer " is actually a word Gurdjieff > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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