Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Hi All This may seem like an incredibly naïve question in a forum such as this but I am going to ask all the same – it needs some explanation in getting there so bear with me. We all accept the multiple-body aspect of our being. We are integral with our higher selves at all times and yet on the physical ego-related plane from the (i) perspective we often battle to relate to our (I) self – I think chrism related it to the analogy of a gorilla trying to fly a 747. We chose our experiences on this plane and how we would `manifest' here before we incarnated. Some of those experiences are horrific and accompanied by much pain. Such experiences also bring enlightenment which is the flipside of that coin. Why do we need to experience the emotional on this plane in linear time frames when our (I) selves already know the answers and have both planned and seen the outcomes? Why do we keep `recycling' at the base level seeking each time within what we already know at the higher level? It almost suggests that our higher selves need, for some reason, that emotional experience that can only be gained on the physical level even though they know the answers and preplanned the experiences. Why? On this level we are seeking within the answers to our being and striving to meaningfully connect to our higher selves. And we do so progressively with many and varied results. Why do our higher selves need to experience the emotion through our (i) selves? In our oneness is there, in fact, something we can only achieve here that the higher levels are unable to but need to do? Any insight? And yes Ill take the ribbing for the naïve question but please enlighten me all the same if you truly have the answer. Love and blessings Jonathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Oh yes,they know everything and that's why they need to experience what we experience here on Earth.There are no lessons up there,no pain,no worry,no dissapointment.There is no feeling and by that I mean detachment, being a part of the whole.This body is what limits us and makes us human.Sometimes I wonder if we are like entertainment to them. love,Nicole , " jonrow_2914 " <jrowland wrote: > > Hi All > > This may seem like an incredibly naïve question in a forum such as > this but I am going to ask all the same – it needs some explanation in > getting there so bear with me. We all accept the multiple-body aspect > of our being. We are integral with our higher selves at all times and > yet on the physical ego-related plane from the (i) perspective we > often battle to relate to our (I) self – I think chrism related it to > the analogy of a gorilla trying to fly a 747. We chose our > experiences on this plane and how we would `manifest' here before we > incarnated. Some of those experiences are horrific and accompanied by > much pain. Such experiences also bring enlightenment which is the > flipside of that coin. Why do we need to experience the emotional on > this plane in linear time frames when our (I) selves already know the > answers and have both planned and seen the outcomes? Why do we keep > `recycling' at the base level seeking each time within what we already > know at the higher level? It almost suggests that our higher selves > need, for some reason, that emotional experience that can only be > gained on the physical level even though they know the answers and > preplanned the experiences. Why? > > On this level we are seeking within the answers to our being and > striving to meaningfully connect to our higher selves. And we do so > progressively with many and varied results. Why do our higher selves > need to experience the emotion through our (i) selves? In our oneness > is there, in fact, something we can only achieve here that the higher > levels are unable to but need to do? > > Any insight? And yes Ill take the ribbing for the naïve question but > please enlighten me all the same if you truly have the answer. > > Love and blessings > > Jonathan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 I think thats a very interesting question Jonathan, I believe we are here playing this game due to the fall of humanity, whatever that event was it lowered a part of our vibration and now we have a small part of our " whole self " stuck in this reality, governed by karma, desperately trying to find it's way back home, but it all has to play out due to the cosmic laws. We are multi dimensional but parts of us in the material plane are governed by certain laws which keep the cycle going until we complete. This seperation is a nessecary part of our global evolution and makes us grow in many ways. Life is amazing and full of different layers, each one intrinsic to God. IMHO. Love Elektra x x x --- jonrow_2914 <jrowland wrote: ________ Sent from Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 hi, i think that these notions of purpose such as " we're here for a purpose " or " we chose our lives in advance.. there are lessons " stem from the human need for having a logical purpose to live i think in reality.. there is no purpose, we are here.. thats it. theres no why. sort of sounds like existentialism i guess.. but i think enlightenment fits in which is where you wake up out of your ignorance and realize there is no self.. there is no reason to even think about the Whys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 There came a moment the God source decided to move rather than just be in stasis (in a balanced non-changing state) and since this source was all that is, it sacrificed a part of itself to create a beauitful everchanging piece of artwork. A part of this artwork was given the gift to co-create which of course needed free will to be able to accomplish that, but there had to be some cosmic rules set into play or there would only be chaos. Yep, we are an super huge, comprehensive, interactive video game! Hehe! The belief systems are our creations, even the one where we have to learn lessons to be able to get back to the source. The name of the game is hmmmm...Love vs Fear. My take, Linda , " jonrow_2914 " <jrowland wrote: > > Hi All > > This may seem like an incredibly naïve question in a forum such as > this but I am going to ask all the same – it needs some explanation in > getting there so bear with me. We all accept the multiple-body aspect > of our being. We are integral with our higher selves at all times and > yet on the physical ego-related plane from the (i) perspective we > often battle to relate to our (I) self – I think chrism related it to > the analogy of a gorilla trying to fly a 747. We chose our > experiences on this plane and how we would `manifest' here before we > incarnated. Some of those experiences are horrific and accompanied by > much pain. Such experiences also bring enlightenment which is the > flipside of that coin. Why do we need to experience the emotional on > this plane in linear time frames when our (I) selves already know the > answers and have both planned and seen the outcomes? Why do we keep > `recycling' at the base level seeking each time within what we already > know at the higher level? It almost suggests that our higher selves > need, for some reason, that emotional experience that can only be > gained on the physical level even though they know the answers and > preplanned the experiences. Why? > > On this level we are seeking within the answers to our being and > striving to meaningfully connect to our higher selves. And we do so > progressively with many and varied results. Why do our higher selves > need to experience the emotion through our (i) selves? In our oneness > is there, in fact, something we can only achieve here that the higher > levels are unable to but need to do? > > Any insight? And yes Ill take the ribbing for the naïve question but > please enlighten me all the same if you truly have the answer. > > Love and blessings > > Jonathan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 I must say, there's striking eloquence afoot here, it's so scriptural! Did you or Shakti write this? Tom , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > There came a moment the God source decided to move rather than just > be in stasis (in a balanced non-changing state) and since this source > was all that is, it sacrificed a part of itself to create a beauitful > everchanging piece of artwork. A part of this artwork was given the > gift to co-create which of course needed free will to be able to > accomplish that, but there had to be some cosmic rules set into play > or there would only be chaos. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Hmmm.. don't know. Myabe the first part twas inspired by Shakti and the second part about being a super video game came from the little i feeling insignificant. Hehe. Linda , " etomireland " <singaporenoodles wrote: > > I must say, there's striking eloquence afoot here, it's so scriptural! > Did you or Shakti write this? > Tom > > , " Linda " > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > There came a moment the God source decided to move rather than just > > be in stasis (in a balanced non-changing state) and since this source > > was all that is, it sacrificed a part of itself to create a beauitful > > everchanging piece of artwork. A part of this artwork was given the > > gift to co-create which of course needed free will to be able to > > accomplish that, but there had to be some cosmic rules set into play > > or there would only be chaos. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Hello Jonrow, A very intelligent and eloquently asked question Jonathan. No worries and please feel free to ask as many questions as you can as we all learn from each other, and I feel this towards everyone here. I am traveling and may not get to answer it immediately but will certainly try as best I can to at least give my take on it. Such as that may be. My understanding is that everything is in motion and that includes consciousness. As we experience and strive on the physical planes we are learning about ourselves, our desires and our choices, our evolution. As we make these decisions we are given the gift of experiencing the consequences of these choices and sometimes those consequences can be painful. (Karma) Sometimes the movement towards evolution is strident and painful and sometimes very sweet. I really do not see it as a High Self issue. This is a middle self issue. The High Self has already gone through it. Yes they know how it is and what the best choice to make may be inside of a given situation but that doesn't mean they are just going to spoon feed it to the consciousness who is in the process of learning what it takes to BECOME a High Self. This I feel is our task and they will help where they feel it is appropriate to help. But we must learn by our own actions and the consequence of those actions. This leads us into the area of what a High Self is in relation to a person in a body. Many people have many theories and I only offer you mine in this regard as High Self is way beyond the limited response of a mere K active individual. Kundalini is strong and the gifts are strong as well but High Self is DIVINE and is so continuously. - lol. My perspective is a form of modified Huna in that we are composed of three different consciousnesses with in one body. A low self or the ego self. A middle self or the spiritual responsible self. The High Self or the self that is as close to God as evolved consciousness can become. These three selves work in unison helping eachother evolve into the one that is above them even High Selves continue to evolve. Everything is and continues to be in motion. We as middle selves help the ego self to evolve by training it into a middle self. The High Self helps the middle self to evolve by training it into a High Self. This can take some time but its not a race - lol. This is where the Kundalini comes in as when this occurs a strong and secure signal from High Self can be discerned. Doesn't happen all within one lifetime as there are Karmic issues to resolve from past learning experiences (past lives) and other dynamics that serve to enlighten our experiences and teach us about " balance " . But it does occur and we continue in our " motion " towards our goal as middle self into becoming that of a new High Self. And from there the learning's continue though not in ways that I can describe. This is why they do not always step in to shield us from learning harsh lessons because " we must learn them " . Many of the harsh lessons are Karmic balancing that we will not see or understand until we are in-between lives and planning the next one. Kundalini can help one to begin to understand the how and the why of such things as it is in the kundalini awakened state that many of these questions are answered directly from the High Self source. Kundalini is the medium for these one on one sessions with the High Self(ves). And they do not always come in ways that you would expect but they do come in ways that allow you the freedom to learn and to in many cases choose the learning platform that is best for you. This is my take on this excellent question Jonrow! There is plenty more to it but perhaps enough for the moment. Let me know how this feels to you. - , " jonrow_2914 " <jrowland wrote: > > Hi All > > This may seem like an incredibly naïve question in a forum such as > this but I am going to ask all the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 I'm with you Tom, Linda that was beautiful. HUGZ elektra, in the earthquake zone of asia x x x --- etomireland <singaporenoodles wrote: > I must say, there's striking eloquence afoot here, > it's so scriptural! > Did you or Shakti write this? > Tom ________ Sent from Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Hi Just my thoughts but I believe we have to go through these type of events to form new experiences and talents . I believe that once our soul reaches the correct vibration we will be ready for ascension and once we have we will have the free will to form a whole new higher self using these experiences and talents we learn while in lower soul form . Kinda like multiplying your talents . I cannot fully comprehend the oness that is revealed once you reach this level of divinity with the higher self but I believe that once you form a new higher self the entirety of all that is evolves and grows from the experiences and talents from the soul evolving . Just my opinion on the subject . blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 This may be a silly question, but I read somewhere that one's higher self is which ever Godhead you follow or worship. Like Jesus would be all of the christian people's higher self. Is that right and if so you then would be working towards becoming a higher self, yourself? Is that right? Linda , " Chris_H " <chghes1 wrote: > > Hi > > Just my thoughts but I believe we have to go through these type of > events to form new experiences and talents . I believe that once our > soul reaches the correct vibration we will be ready for ascension and > once we have we will have the free will to form a whole new higher > self using these experiences and talents we learn while in lower soul > form . Kinda like multiplying your talents . I cannot fully comprehend > the oness that is revealed once you reach this level of divinity with > the higher self but I believe that once you form a new higher self the > entirety of all that is evolves and grows from the experiences and > talents from the soul evolving . Just my opinion on the subject . > > blessings > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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