Pineal Gland, & DMT; and other speculations

[Guest guest]

No drug will cause prolonged hallucinations as in " flashbacks " ; there

was a myth put out by the government that LSD would be deposited in

the brain and later would come out causing the person to re-trip.

This is your government on drugs.

 

This doesn't mean that people won't experience the feelings, thoughts,

images, etc from drug experiences especially if there was fear or any

strong emotion to anchor that way of seeing the world. If someone is

prone to letting their experiences run wild they can produce in

themselves the whole drug thing without the drug, just as people will

reexperience traumatic events in PTSD.

 

The question on spinal sweeps, I'll leave to Chrism, except to say

that years ago in a galaxy far, far away, I did experience them while

taking psilocybin. I got a lot from the experience, and don't ever

want to repeat it.

 

There is little evidence of the pineal/dmt/schizophrenia connection,

so the cause of the drug's effect is most likely the drug itself and

what the person brings to it. The body does produce natural

hallucinogens that are responsible for dreaming and probably other

states of consciousness. Research in this area is vital because of

the insight it can give us into mental illness, but also disorders

that are connected with neurotransmitters. For instance,

schizophrenia is connected with (too early to say caused) high levels

of dopamine. On the other hand, Parkinson's is associated with low

levels of dopamine.

 

As for what causes schizophrenia, the best theory that I've come

across lies somewhere between we don't know and a wide variety of

things. There is a good entry in wikipedia at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia.

 

For those of you interested in this subject, I suggest you read PiHKAL

(Phenethylamines i Have Known And Loved: A Chemical Love Story) and

TiHKAL (Tryptamines i Have Known And Loved: The Continuation), by

Sasha and Anne Shulgin. Sasha Shulgin is a chemist who has discovered

over 200 psychoactive drugs. When he finds one that might be

interesting he invites over friends to sample them and submit reports

of their experiences. I know this sounds iffy at best, but for these

drugs there is not a lot to be learned by giving them to animals. His

wife, Anne, is a psychologist who combined therapy with intactogens

like MDMA and hallucinogens like 2-c-b. She no longer practices

because of the government crackdown; Sasha is still in his lab

producing new, as yet, legal drugs.

 

I believe that the government was hasty in making these substances

illegal for research in controlled therapeutic sessions. The easy and

wrong way to understand the effects is to assume that the drug is

doing it all. That's way too simple. Whatever experience one may

have comes from the drug, but also what we project onto the

experience; and because of that I think there probably is a place for

them in legitimate therapy.

 

For example, when LSD was first being investigated by psychologists up

in Canada, of all places, they wanted to find a cure for alcoholism

and they supposed that by giving alcoholics LSD they would have " bad

trips " and would be trained to give up drinking. They in fact did get

good results, but not because of any bad trip. What they found was

that the LSD allowed the subjects to experience insight and empathy

for the people in their lives that they were hurting by drinking.

 

MDMA probably has a lot more usefulness in therapy because of it's

characteristic of increasing empathy, much of this early research on

that was done by Anne Shulgin. It has also begun to be investigated

for easing the anxiety of people dieing of cancer and for PTSD.

 

Chrism and Melissa, please feel to comment and set me straight (pun

intended) if I'm off base. Please everyone also realize I have not

advocated irresponsible drug use. I don't think that's helpful, but

it's a free country.

 

Peter

 

 

 

, " Chris_H "

<chghes1 wrote:

>

> I have been following the recent post concerning the use of

> hallucinogens and this got me to thinking about he pineal gland .

[Guest guest]

Nice Post Peter!,

You are assuming of course that the US gov. has the

best interests of its citizens at heart. - lol.

 

Ayahuasca has been shown to have definitive results in the repeal of

multiple forms of addiction, cigarettes, alcohol, eating disorders

to name a few so it is , of course, illegal.

 

Let me see if I can get Dr. Margarita to sit up straight at the bar

here.

 

Chrism: " Come on doc that makes ten Margarita's perhaps you have

had enough..? "

 

Dr.Melissa Cloer MD.: " WWWHadyamean? Donnn..(belch!)

nn...DONN...Donnnn yougoltryintatell me when ives hads enoughs!@#$%^%

$#@! Whos za F%$#@ do yuoze sinks you arf....tellin me iz dinkered

enoufz.,.. I means drinkeyz..I mean dreeeznks...OH..#@#@$ it you

snow whats I meenz.... " Hey Bat Ranger! I mean barzkeepsers!Giv me

andthe @#%$#ing Guru here anozer. "

 

Chrism: " Yes thanks I'll have another cranberry juice please "

 

Dr.Mellisa Cloer MD.: " F$%Ken CRANBERRY JUICE?? Batkeeper!...I mean

Barsneeper! PUT SOME balls in it for em heh! heh!Gitthem little

crankzberriez a f....afugh...drytiilogeghzm....(belch!)..ohmy!...I

gotta go to the bazfroom.....zarestromz...quick!.. I theekz Imzinna

blow!...ugghhh! "

 

While the Docs in the bathroom having a conversation with her

Margarita's....Let me say that in my opinion the USA's and in many

cases the worlds addiction to alcohol is one of the worst addictions

currently legalized.

 

Not mentioning the other epidemic of SSRI addictions. Also legal.

Not mentioning the current (enforced) attacks on the immune systems

of infants and children. Or the sponsered pharmacuetical drugs

and other very harmful drugs currently being created for " diseases "

that are also currently being created. Oh and lets not forget the

chemtrails.

 

So we are indeed challenged by our own species here in the west. The

greed and fanstasy of power over others has corrupted and unleashed

torrents of deadly agendas to be inflicted on a complacent public.

 

None of these drug addictions or experiements are good for the

Kundalini. When I write the word " pure " I mean in this case " PURE "

with out the mental and physical addiction to a substance that is

psychoactive or otherwise.

 

I do realize that as afore mentioned there are some toxins not in

control of the general public so do your best. Shakti can help pick

up where your personal situation leaves off. My take on it -

 

 

PS Dr Melissa Cloer MD is not a drunk my any stretch! But she does

kick off her shoes now and then especially if someone has driven out

from California to visit. I think its an OKLAHOMA thing! - lol - c

 

Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

1 , " peter.nichols " <peter wrote:

>

> No drug will cause prolonged hallucinations as in " flashbacks " ;

there

> was a myth put out by the government

[Guest guest]

Yes, I love you too Chrism. For the record, I only have an alcohol

problem on Mondays and Wednesdays.

 

Love,

 

Melissa

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> Nice Post Peter!,

> You are assuming of course that the US gov. has

the

> best interests of its citizens at heart. - lol.

>

> Ayahuasca has been shown to have definitive results in the repeal

of

> multiple forms of addiction, cigarettes, alcohol, eating disorders

> to name a few so it is , of course, illegal.

>

> Let me see if I can get Dr. Margarita to sit up straight at the

bar

> here.

>

> Chrism: " Come on doc that makes ten Margarita's perhaps you have

> had enough..? "

>

> Dr.Melissa Cloer MD.: " WWWHadyamean? Donnn..(belch!)

> nn...DONN...Donnnn yougoltryintatell me when ives hads enoughs!@#$%

^%

> $#@! Whos za F%$#@ do yuoze sinks you arf....tellin me iz dinkered

> enoufz.,.. I means drinkeyz..I mean dreeeznks...OH..#@#@$ it you

> snow whats I meenz.... " Hey Bat Ranger! I mean barzkeepsers!Giv me

> andthe @#%$#ing Guru here anozer. "

>

> Chrism: " Yes thanks I'll have another cranberry juice please "

>

> Dr.Mellisa Cloer MD.: " F$%Ken CRANBERRY JUICE?? Batkeeper!...I mean

> Barsneeper! PUT SOME balls in it for em heh! heh!Gitthem little

> crankzberriez a f....afugh...drytiilogeghzm....(belch!)..ohmy!...I

> gotta go to the bazfroom.....zarestromz...quick!.. I theekz

Imzinna

> blow!...ugghhh! "

>

> While the Docs in the bathroom having a conversation with her

> Margarita's....Let me say that in my opinion the USA's and in many

> cases the worlds addiction to alcohol is one of the worst

addictions

> currently legalized.

>

> Not mentioning the other epidemic of SSRI addictions. Also legal.

> Not mentioning the current (enforced) attacks on the immune

systems

> of infants and children. Or the sponsered pharmacuetical drugs

> and other very harmful drugs currently being created

for " diseases "

> that are also currently being created. Oh and lets not forget the

> chemtrails.

>

> So we are indeed challenged by our own species here in the west.

The

> greed and fanstasy of power over others has corrupted and

unleashed

> torrents of deadly agendas to be inflicted on a complacent public.

>

> None of these drug addictions or experiements are good for the

> Kundalini. When I write the word " pure " I mean in this case " PURE "

> with out the mental and physical addiction to a substance that is

> psychoactive or otherwise.

>

> I do realize that as afore mentioned there are some toxins not in

> control of the general public so do your best. Shakti can help

pick

> up where your personal situation leaves off. My take on it -

>

>

> PS Dr Melissa Cloer MD is not a drunk my any stretch! But she does

> kick off her shoes now and then especially if someone has driven

out

> from California to visit. I think its an OKLAHOMA thing! - lol - c

>

> Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

> 1 , " peter.nichols@ " <peter@> wrote:

> >

> > No drug will cause prolonged hallucinations as in " flashbacks " ;

> there

> > was a myth put out by the government

>

[Guest guest]

Mondays and wednesdays? It's that OCD thing that allows M.D.s to make

it through the schooling... LOL

 

Peter

 

 

 

, " Melissa "

<mm7810 wrote:

>

> Yes, I love you too Chrism. For the record, I only have an alcohol

> problem on Mondays and Wednesdays.

>

> Love,

>

> Melissa

>

> , " chrism "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > Nice Post Peter!,

> > You are assuming of course that the US gov. has

> the

> > best interests of its citizens at heart. - lol.

> >

> > Ayahuasca has been shown to have definitive results in the repeal

> of

> > multiple forms of addiction, cigarettes, alcohol, eating disorders

> > to name a few so it is , of course, illegal.

> >

> > Let me see if I can get Dr. Margarita to sit up straight at the

> bar

> > here.

> >

> > Chrism: " Come on doc that makes ten Margarita's perhaps you have

> > had enough..? "

> >

> > Dr.Melissa Cloer MD.: " WWWHadyamean? Donnn..(belch!)

> > nn...DONN...Donnnn yougoltryintatell me when ives hads enoughs!@#$%

> ^%

> > $#@! Whos za F%$#@ do yuoze sinks you arf....tellin me iz dinkered

> > enoufz.,.. I means drinkeyz..I mean dreeeznks...OH..#@#@$ it you

> > snow whats I meenz.... " Hey Bat Ranger! I mean barzkeepsers!Giv me

> > andthe @#%$#ing Guru here anozer. "

> >

> > Chrism: " Yes thanks I'll have another cranberry juice please "

> >

> > Dr.Mellisa Cloer MD.: " F$%Ken CRANBERRY JUICE?? Batkeeper!...I mean

> > Barsneeper! PUT SOME balls in it for em heh! heh!Gitthem little

> > crankzberriez a f....afugh...drytiilogeghzm....(belch!)..ohmy!...I

> > gotta go to the bazfroom.....zarestromz...quick!.. I theekz

> Imzinna

> > blow!...ugghhh! "

> >

> > While the Docs in the bathroom having a conversation with her

> > Margarita's....Let me say that in my opinion the USA's and in many

> > cases the worlds addiction to alcohol is one of the worst

> addictions

> > currently legalized.

> >

> > Not mentioning the other epidemic of SSRI addictions. Also legal.

> > Not mentioning the current (enforced) attacks on the immune

> systems

> > of infants and children. Or the sponsered pharmacuetical drugs

> > and other very harmful drugs currently being created

> for " diseases "

> > that are also currently being created. Oh and lets not forget the

> > chemtrails.

> >

> > So we are indeed challenged by our own species here in the west.

> The

> > greed and fanstasy of power over others has corrupted and

> unleashed

> > torrents of deadly agendas to be inflicted on a complacent public.

> >

> > None of these drug addictions or experiements are good for the

> > Kundalini. When I write the word " pure " I mean in this case " PURE "

> > with out the mental and physical addiction to a substance that is

> > psychoactive or otherwise.

> >

> > I do realize that as afore mentioned there are some toxins not in

> > control of the general public so do your best. Shakti can help

> pick

> > up where your personal situation leaves off. My take on it -

> >

> >

> > PS Dr Melissa Cloer MD is not a drunk my any stretch! But she does

> > kick off her shoes now and then especially if someone has driven

> out

> > from California to visit. I think its an OKLAHOMA thing! - lol - c

> >

> > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

> > 1 , " peter.nichols@ " <peter@> wrote:

> > >

> > > No drug will cause prolonged hallucinations as in " flashbacks " ;

> > there

> > > was a myth put out by the government

> >

>