's kundalini experience (lets be clear)

[Guest guest]

I do not use drugs or c & nabis or alcohol. Nor do I promote that use

for Kundalini. I haven't led a pure life before the Kundalini and I

did try many substances that I thought could help me explain what

was occurring. And for the enjoyment of them.

 

I have been a bad person.

 

I have used gifts that I was born with to intentionally inflict harm

on another person. Did this back in the late eighties before the

Kundalini came. I was successful with this and when the Kundalini

came I went straight to nocturnal hell. Literally. And I stayed

there for a period of years. Not knowing how to remove myself. So I

stayed and learned about the uselessness of harboring ill will

towards another about abandoning morality about causing another

person harm, about the dynamics of abusing certain gifts.

 

Then one day in the physical, I met a strange little man in a line

for a short bay cruise on the wharf in Santa Cruz. My friend was

with me and is witness to what occurred. She hated being on the

water but for some reason this one time she was willing to go as we

were not going to lose sight of the shore.

 

This man seemed to know quite much about what I was going through

without being told. About my issues and my experiences and at one

point he turned and looked at me and said " You know, Hell is not

forever. You get to leave once you have learned your lessons " No one

had told him of my nocturnal incarcerations. He just appeared to

know. He talked about other issues as well. And when the cruise was

over he was never seen or heard from again. His name was Arthur.

 

Perhaps others have had an " Arthur experience? "

 

After that and with that knowledge replacing an ever evolving fear,

I released my " self " from the " Hell realms. " Can't say I have walked

every reality contained in them but I did walk what was pertinent to

my case and some others. It was a particularly violent area of hell.

 

Anyway the K came to me very strong and my body began transforming.

I had many phenomenons and made every mistake available in

responding to the phenomena. In this way was I being trained.

Educated through trial and error and allowed to learn through

physical pain and depression, that was Kundalini induced, so that

(i) could get to a place where these experiences could help others.

Didn't know that at the time though.

 

Chrism is not Rama Krishna OR Yogananda, or Aurobindo, or Osho or

any of the popular and well remembered Guru/Saints from India. I am

not well known anywhere and I am fine with that. I will not

typically use the Siddhis or exalted skills to prove or disprove

their presence within me. I am very, very careful now with how any

of these skills, Kundalini gifted or otherwise, are expressed.

 

I do not know of anyone else who employs a Scatterfield. I just know

that when a person responded to an " in person " Shaktipat with raised

red welts over each chakra that I didn't want to give anymore

Shaktipat and I asked K for another way and that it had to be based

in safety. This is where the safeties came from and the

Scatterfield. Another K gift. Can't prove it and I won't even try.

 

Very little of what is written in the articles is from my little

(i). It is from the larger more knowledgeable Kundalini (I) that

these wisdoms come from. I merely surrender to their presence.

 

You do not have to trust me or believe me or follow me or attack me.

Take what works for you and let that be your choice, your gift. I do

not coerce anyone here. I will suggest or strongly suggest but that

is about as far as it goes.

 

If you hurt others here. I will suggest that you leave and in some

cases I will help you along that path.

 

Anyone is welcome to critique and question what I write. I am sure

it falls into some form of category. Please try to be respectful in

your interactions with other group members. Please be diligent

in " how " you write your condemnations of chrism so that we as a

group are not abused by words that we have come to recognize as rude

and or offensive. For those please use acronyms if you need to use

them at all. -

 

, " ben_hangen "

<ben_hangen wrote:

>

> WOW! What a thread, The description of chrism's kundalini

> experiences sound more like mine back in the 60's

[Guest guest]

At 02:49 PM 8/2/2008, you wrote:

Anyone is welcome to critique

and question what I write.

I can attest to that - I have questioned you and others openly at times

here, and have felt no censure for doing so. I feel totally free to take

what works for me and ignore the rest, or I would simply leave.

Please be diligent

 

in " how " you write your condemnations of chrism so that we as a

 

group are not abused by words that we have come to recognize as rude

 

and or offensive.

I think the reaction is so strong this time not just because people are

defending you, but because we feel we must defend ourselves. To be

portrayed as mindless zombie followers of some kind of egotistical,

narcissistic, control-freak cult leader is just plain insulting, no

matter how tactfully you try to say it (not that much tact was applied

here).

I really find the use of the word " ego " in this context as just

as pejorative as any four-letter epithet we may hear or read. I have

found that when people don't have facts or solid opinions to back up

their arguments, they often resort to personal attacks, and in this kind

of topic setting, accusing another of being ego-based is about the lowest

and easiest way to try to silence someone. How can you argue with it? By

acknowledging it's true, since every teacher faces this daily, and

exposing it for the hypocrisy it is - you can't make that accusation if

you aren't coming from ego yourself! We aren't perfected, or we'd

disappear in a puff of blue smoke. That we're still here means we have

more growing to do.

I think this attack goes deeper than the opinion of one person against

you personally, frankly. Whenever someone begins teaching in a manner

that encourages personal responsibility and leadership it makes certain

authorities and individuals extremely uncomfortable. There are spiritual

forces that do not want to see people become empowered. That you have

attracted their persistent hostility is unfortunate, but their own

arguments are their own best rebuttal imnsho.

Brandi