's kundalini experience-Sarita-Venus

August 2, 2008

Venus:

I usually don't join in these " explanations " about (or anyone

else) because the fine folks here usually say it well enough.

Then I saw how you spoke of some historically enlightened souls.

One of them was Christ.

In your theory we should all be " an incredible harmonious community "

if we had " an enlightened being " as leader.

I wasn't there at the time; but I read that Christ had some rough

times even in his group (a guy named Judas comes to mind among other

hints of discord).

Then Jesus was killed.

I don't think an enlightened leader will create enlightened followers

unless the followers all do as the leader tells them.

That's just human nature.

All of the group are not Great Buddhas (yet).

We must all shine our light the best we can, at the stage of

development we are in--here in cyber space...and out in the world!

Good Luck to the two " rabble-rousers " ....may you find that peace in

your heart than the Enlightened Ones are there to give you!

:)

Stephen

, Venus Mirlo

<venusmirlo wrote:

>

> EDITED FOR SPACE: " Jesus was an enlightened being, Buddha was an

enlightened being, Rama Krishna was an enlightened being their

radiance was incredible. I am not convinced that is an

enlightened being, enlightened beings create an incredible harmonious

community without the need of such emotions to surface between its

members when the leader is faced with other people's observations.

> I am Venus, Sarita, always have and I will always be. If you want

to call me smilesforme, that's fine, I love smiling. I just probably

cannot use that email address because smilesforme probably has

already taken it, umph.

> Peace and love,

> Venus "

>

August 2, 2008

Hello again Venus,

Chrism has never claimed to be enlightened, just Kundalini active. If you are looking for an enlightened being as a teacher---and you define enlightened as the likes of Jesus, Budda, and Krishna---you are looking in the wrong place...and time. is just a regular guy who has been through a particularly tumultuous Kundalini awakening---without the benefit of a group like this one. That's why he created this group: to try to spare us the suffering he experienced. And the other members and I are simply regular people who have found our way to this wonderful group and consider it a Godsend of information, inspiration, and support as we experience our own personal Kundalini awakenings.

You asked us whether Smileforme's information is valid and we have responded with our thoughts and opinions. We don't know Smileforme...he/she has been here 2 days and this is his/her second post. Did you read his/her first one? It was a treatise on spirituality that I believe I recognize from another website. It said nothing about who he/she is. You seem to place a lot of value on that one post out of the 30,000+ posts that have been posted on this website since it's inception, posts which you claim to have been researching for the week you have been here.

You seem to be threatened by what you perceive as the 'pack loyalty' here. That we are all offended at your implication that we are a pack of animals is a secondary point, the main point being that none of us CAME to this group loyal to Chrism....we came seeking information and support and we got it from and this group--in spades. He EARNED our respect and I, for one, am quick to defend him not because of any loyalty but because I have discovered beyond a doubt over the almost-2 years I have known him that he is genuine, knowledgeable and experienced about Kundalini, concerned and loving towards us, and he is available 24/7 to help. So, you want to know if Smileforme is right? No, he/she is dead wrong about Chrism.

If you want to find out for yourself, why don't you change your approach a bit and try coming into this group of strangers with hat in hand and do like the rest of us have done....be curious, respectful, and eager and open to learn...and to love?

Many blessings to you in your search for the truth,

Claudia--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Venus Mirlo <venusmirlo wrote:

Venus Mirlo <venusmirlo chrism's kundalini experience-Sarita Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 5:59 PM

Sarita,I came here, as most of you folks probably did, to obtain genuine information about Kundalini. I did not come here with any intention to answer the kind of email I felt I had to answer. I have been reading countless pages of old posts that date back to 2006 with the hope to discern for myself what is valid for me and what is not. I am in search of the truth as many here are. My email was to ask all if any of smilesforme' s information was valid, using your observations and not your opinions.I have been in the presence of a real enlightened teacher and I can assure you, the way asnwered smileforme's post would not have been the way an enlightened teacher would of answered. He'd not take any offense with anyone's observations of himself, regardless of the content. I do agree in many of the points that smilesforme brought up, and all these feels to me like the last episode with one of

your members named Carol, where someone brought up a point regarding and all of you bashed it, like smilesforme said "pack loyalty". This is why I came out of my cuddling corner and decided to speak up. No one and I mean no one knows what is in ANYONES' heart, not even Selena who claims to know for that many years, in person and otherwise. Jesus was an enlightened being, Buddha was an enlightened being, Rama Krishna was an enlightened being their radiance was incredible. I am not convinced that is an enlightened being, enlightened beings create an incredible harmonious community without the need of such emotions to surface between its members when the leader is faced with other people's observations.I am Venus, Sarita, always have and I will always be. If you want to call me smilesforme, that's fine, I love smiling. I just probably cannot use that email address because smilesforme

probably has already taken it, umph.Peace and love,Venus

Sarita <sarita1969 >Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Saturday, August 2, 2008 9:12:13 PM[Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: chrism's kundalini experience

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Venus Mirlo <venusmirlo@. ..> wrote:>> Hi everyone, my name is Venus and I am new here...well a week or so. Been spending much of my quiet time reading all that is available here, written by Chrism. Today, I read Smilesforme' s post about Chrism's Kundalini Awakening and it made me realize that I really don't know anything, whatsoever about this man or whether he is "enlightened' or not, or about a thing he calls a scatterfield that has never been written about before.

**Aside from the fact that both smiles and your profiles were last edited right when joining this group, which I find a bit curious...

No, you don't know anything about and his teachings nor do you know anything about me, smilesforme or the easter bunny. I find it curious that you are so willing to jump on the bandwagon of what someone who joined the group a few days ago has to say. That said, it is always wise to question, in fact encourages us to question!

So this post by smilesforme leaves me with a huge question mark, he is right about how we are trusting our spiritual journey to a person who claims quite a bit but has shown no proof at all. As I said before, I have spent countless hours, since joining this group, just reading. I am a spiritual student, for eons and much of what has written about and his teaching and experiences with kundalini is all but new to me and I am not new to Kundalini believe me.

**Frankly, I am left with a big question mark about your motives. Why not share some of your vast knowledge with us? What is so different about Chrism's teachings as opposed to others? I'm sure we are all interested to hear about your research, with sources provided of course.

How do you folks know he is the real deal, if you have not walked in his shoes? Spent several months of physical time with him, how do I really know if what he teaches is the truth or something he just made up?

**I know he is the real deal through my experiences with him over the past few years. I know what is truth through my inner discernment. How do YOU or smiles know that he ISN'T the real deal? It's easy to sling mud and generalized questions at someone, but how about supporting those positions with facts?

What about the beer drinking and drugs? How does he know so much of the lingo?

**LOL. I know lots of "lingo" and yet I have never even smoked pot. Aside from that, never made a claim to sainthood. He may have done things in his past that he no longer does. Where is the proof that he drinks and does drugs? In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof is NOT on Chrism, it's on his accusers.

Another concern that I have is his incredible egotistical reaction to smilesforme' s courageous post. I have been with amazing spiritual teachers and I tell you none and I mean none would react to such post with such little class, he didn't even go into anything about what smilesforme wrote other than what found that needed to be defended in "an ego" level.

**Personally, I find nothing *courageous* about someone hiding behind a mask slinging mud at someone in their own "home" and showing no respect for the members. Everyone is free and entitled to question and have opinions, but most spiritually evolved people use some semblance of respect when doing so. That's a big clue for me right there.

> I like someone to explain this to me, please. Sorry for the long post, but I had to say something about this, this is a serious matter, it's like playing Russian roulette with my spiritual consciousness by leaving it on the hands of a teacher that might be teaching me bogus opinions of what his ego self wants us to believe.

**This is very serious. You are entitled to your opinion as surely as any of us are. There is something disturbing to me though about someone who tries to sway the masses against the teacher. If one is trying to discern their own path, that's great and I give kudos to them. But if they are just trying to discredit someone or ruin things for others, then I question their motives, level of spiritual evolution and how much of their ego is in play. There are those of us (me included) that have benefitted greatly from Chrism's teachings. He helps people find their way, get out of pain, resolve personal issues, offers support, I could go on and on...

I challenge anyone to find one thing within the safeties that isn't just good clean living. Even if I wasn't inclined to be K active, the safeties are the way I would want to live anyway.

If you are for real and not just another profile made up to attack Chrism, then I sincerely hope you will read ALL of the responses with an open mind and that you will use your inner discernment. Best of luck to you.

Sarita