Forces of Ignorance

[Guest guest]

It is a challenge to bring information that isn't common or

accepted to everyone into the minds of those who seek it or similar

information. Not every consciousness wants or desires Kundalini

information to be known. Certain power structures and certain

individuals feel that Kundalini is evil or too sacred for the dirty

hands of the masses.

 

I just do not feel that way.

 

So I write of my experiences in the hopes that they may be of

service for those in need. Yes my experiences with Kundalini are not

common even among those who have written about Kundalini. (Some)

Awakened masters and others who are awakened but not communicating

that fact have some problems with me doing this. I get plenty of

private and public castigation for doing this. I get threats and

opinions about my worth or condemnations about how much bad karma I

am developing etc.

 

There is not a single Master that I have read that has spent years

in the " Hell Realms " or lower astral teaching areas, for misuse of

power. Except the Christ. And I am not comparing myself to Him.

They have not learned the very painful lessons in that regard as I

have.

 

They therefore cannot speak to the anti morality reversals that I

speak of. They did not put welts on a person's spine after a

Shaktipat. So they had no reason to ask for development of safety

protocols or a Scatterfield for safe and long distance Shaktipat. So

they do not write of that which they have not experienced. These are

my experiences however and I do write of them.

 

This places the information I give far outside of the parameters of

many people with the Kundalini. This is very uncomfortable to some.

Most realize the truths that are being given and the context of

morality that is being given and are OK with it.

 

The forces of yours and others continued ignorance about Kundalini

or enlightenment will continue to slip their way into this group. By

deceitfulness they will masquerade as interested parties and get by

our purposely weak defenses.

 

And they will do their level best to disrupt your fearlessness. They

will give you doubts. They will foster uncertainty and fear and

second guessing for you for reading or even being here in this

group.

 

I suggest that we initiate reversals that allow them to do this. Let

them come and let them be blessed. Let them receive the blessings of

this group. Even if they have to leave because of the severity of

their disruptions, let us give to them the gentle qualities of

loving forgiveness that they may in their own good time be able to

come back without fear and without guile and begin to adopt a

pattern of expressed truth and love within themselves. No more fears.

 

Not everyone can have the Kundalini though the option resides in

everyone. Some need to burn through more Karma. More of a balance

needs to be inculcated with in them. But for those who have come

into these areas, have been guided into these areas, I say let them

learn. Let them experience. Let them evolve. Let them approach the

Heavenly Fields as is best appropriate for them. If that includes

reading what I write then so be it. – blessings and love to all. -

chrism

[Guest guest]

For what energy, strength and wisdom I have known. I hold my hand out to

you Chrism, and all of that is yours to use as you see fit. You have my

permission. Got your back Dude. PS got a little berserker in me to if you

need that.

 

Grins, peace

 

Don

 

 

> It is a challenge to bring information that isn't common or

> accepted to everyone into the minds of those who seek it or similar

> information. Not every consciousness wants or desires Kundalini

> information to be known. Certain power structures and certain

> individuals feel that Kundalini is evil or too sacred for the dirty

> hands of the masses.

[Guest guest]

At 09:33 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote:

So they had no reason to ask for

development of safety

protocols or a Scatterfield for safe and long distance Shaktipat. So

 

they do not write of that which they have not experienced.

 

I don't understand their objections, it makes no sense to me. And I don't

know that none of them have caused any harm after a Shaktipat. When I was

working in BC back in the 80's I met people with various forms of

Kundalini " burns " and all of them had seen either Reiki,

Kundalini or Qi-Gong " Masters " . None of these people was

teaching any form of " safety " protocol, and I felt it was

downright irresponsible. They hate you because you teach safety? What

kind of moral responsibility is that? It's downright bizarre.

Brandi

[Guest guest]

hi chrism...

proud to have a teacher that has been in hell and back, i've seen it

in visions, its sheer gravity alone is enough, i get grey hairs when

i come out!

 

paula..

[Guest guest]

Yes, they hate us because we love freedom. <g>

 

, Brandi Jasmine

<jazztalk wrote:

>

> At 09:33 PM 8/3/2008, you wrote:

> >So they had no reason to ask for development of safety

> >protocols or a Scatterfield for safe and long distance Shaktipat. So

> >they do not write of that which they have not experienced.

>

> I don't understand their objections, it makes no sense to me. And I

don't know that none of them have caused any harm after a Shaktipat.

When I was working in BC back in the 80's I met people with various

forms of Kundalini " burns " and all of them had seen either Reiki,

Kundalini or Qi-Gong " Masters " . None of these people was teaching any

form of " safety " protocol, and I felt it was downright irresponsible.

They hate you because you teach safety? What kind of moral

responsibility is that? It's downright bizarre.

>

> Brandi

>

[Guest guest]

It DOESN'T make sense from any logical standpoint, it is obviously ego based sour grapes. is ruining business, he is teaching people to be self sufficient, to rely on their inner guidance rather than needing someone from outside. I say the same thing I have said before -the Safeties are just good clean living even if one is not inclined to pursue the K.

I am so grateful to and this group. I know being here saved me a surgery, lots of anguish and has improved my life in innumberable ways.

Sarita

, Brandi Jasmine <jazztalk wrote:>> I don't understand their objections, it makes no sense to me. And I don't know that none of them have caused any harm after a Shaktipat. When I was working in BC back in the 80's I met people with various forms of Kundalini "burns" and all of them had seen either Reiki, Kundalini or Qi-Gong "Masters". None of these people was teaching any form of "safety" protocol, and I felt it was downright irresponsible. They hate you because you teach safety? What kind of moral responsibility is that? It's downright bizarre. > > Brandi>

[Guest guest]

Sarita,

 

You may be right about the ruining business, meaning we are not running to

guru's for help.  Never thought of that before!!  It looks like has broad

shoulders and plenty thick skin and can handle whatever is thrown his way.

Thank Goodness we have someone who has our best interest at heart with no self

serving agenda.

 

Sharon

 

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Sarita <sarita1969 wrote:

 

Sarita <sarita1969

Re: Forces of Ignorance

 

Monday, August 4, 2008, 11:42 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It DOESN'T make sense from any logical standpoint, it is obviously ego based

sour grapes.  is ruining business, he is teaching people to

[Guest guest]

Yes, Chrism's a big boy and can handle whatever is thrown his way. My concern is that a new person who needs help (as I did when I got here, all scared and wet behind the ears) will turn away because of these attacks.

It is like me trying to sway a someone of another religion to christianity by using scare tactics. Am I enlightened if I attack others and their beliefs? Would I not be using "ego", which is part of what is being bashed in all these ridiculous attacks? Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot, lol.

Imo, truth stands on it's own. It doesn't need to use negativity to make it's point. Does anyone hear proclaiming that his is the only way, that by following another method we are dooming ourselves, etc? He is open and honest leaving us to decide for ourselves because the truth stands on it's own.

Throughout all of the posts trying to tear Chrism's methods down, with the writer proclaiming what they believe is the *only* way, the *source* is never provided and neither is any proof of the claims. Who knows what motives lie behind the words. I use my inner discernment in all issues and I believe everyone else should as well.

Sarita

, Sharon Grubb <sharongrbb2000 wrote:>> Sarita,> > You may be right about the ruining business, meaning we are not running to guru's for help. Never thought of that before!! It looks like has broad shoulders and plenty thick skin and can handle whatever is thrown his way. Thank Goodness we have someone who has our best interest at heart with no self serving agenda. > > Sharon

[Guest guest]

That was my concern, too, Sarita.

 

New people here who haven't had the chance yet to experience the help

available could easily be scared off it they thought the Group leader

was a fraud, or worse, because of what someone posts in trying to

defame him, parading it as exposing him.

 

It doesn't set well with those of us who know the life saving help

that comes from and the Group as we travel into unknown

experiences and territory on the Kundalini Path.

 

Anyone who has a problem with the Safeties hasn't read them, imho. And

if they have and still have a problem, then the their eyes and mind

are dark...blind. And I pity them. Out of their blindness they

try to teach and " help " those who they feel are being deceived. All I

can do is shake my head in wonder. And pray for them. What help can

there be for them?

 

Jesus said it well when He told of the one who tries to take the

splinter out of another's eye, while a log is in their own. How can

they see to do it? They can't.

 

Just my humble opinions.

Love, dhyana

 

 

, " Sarita "

<sarita1969 wrote:

My

> concern is that a new person who needs help (as I did when I got here,

> all scared and wet behind the ears) will turn away because of these

> attacks.

[Guest guest]

Sarita,

 

Couldn't agree more. I tossed it out after I read it. Like I say... I take

what resonates for me, and dismiss the rest. Just from the negativity and

accusatory tone, I dismissed it as something that didn't quite sound or sit

right with me. I never gave it another thought, because I believe any and all

energy expended on this topic, only gives it greater life. It is a shame that

someone feels the need to do this. We can all think for ourselves here, and I

would NEVER allow a total stranger who I know nothing about, to sway me in one

way or another. It takes allot for me to trust to begin with, so something like

this never gets past layer one of my many many layers that I have shielding my

heart from hurtful things. At times I hate that about myself, but at other

times it comes in handy, ... at times like these.

 

 

Thanks for your comments Sarita!

 

Sharon

--- On Mon, 8/4/08, Sarita <sarita1969 wrote:

 

Sarita <sarita1969

Re: Forces of Ignorance

 

Monday, August 4, 2008, 12:28 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, Chrism's a big boy and can handle whatever is thrown his way.  My concern

is that a new person who needs help (as I did when I got here, all

[Guest guest]

At 10:44 AM 8/4/2008, you wrote:

Yes, they hate us because we

love freedom. <g>

And thinking for ourselves, I expect.

I think this is a really important point and if only one person really

gets something out of this it will be worthwhile. We have an " appeal

to authority " mentality in our culture, we're all potentially

vulnerable to it. We were just given a load of absolute certainty in an

appeal to authority where the authority wasn't even named! The

theme of the past few days that jumps out at me is we're being reminded

that it doesn't matter *who* the teacher/entity/guide is, what matters is

the *information*. Spiritual maturity comes from the recognition that

there are no absolute certainties.

Brandi

[Guest guest]

Dearest Chrism,

 

It was hard for me to line up with this. It has been quite

a journey to get there, but I am totally at peace with it

now. I sat before the healing photo and knew I had to

forgive. I've learned so much through this, and got to see

the stages I had to pass through to be free again.

 

The zen story was the final piece that I needed.

 

You are amazing.

Thank you,

Love, dhyana

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

 

> The forces of yours and others continued ignorance about Kundalini

> or enlightenment will continue to slip their way into this group. By

> deceitfulness they will masquerade as interested parties and get by

> our purposely weak defenses.

>

> And they will do their level best to disrupt your fearlessness. They

> will give you doubts. They will foster uncertainty and fear and

> second guessing for you for reading or even being here in this

> group.

>

> I suggest that we initiate reversals that allow them to do this. Let

> them come and let them be blessed. Let them receive the blessings of

> this group. Even if they have to leave because of the severity of

> their disruptions, let us give to them the gentle qualities of

> loving forgiveness that they may in their own good time be able to

> come back without fear and without guile and begin to adopt a

> pattern of expressed truth and love within themselves. No more fears.

>

[Guest guest]

In addition to this, I am actually grateful to smileyface for the

slanderous post because it brought to the surface all the times

I was slandered, and isolated because of that slander. I'm having

a good cry as Shakti is bringing all the pain from that to the

surface to be released. OMG what a Blessing.... And I am " smiling. "

 

Gratefully,

dhyana

 

, " novalees "

<dhyana wrote:

>

>

> Dearest Chrism,

>

> It was hard for me to line up with this. It has been quite

> a journey to get there, but I am totally at peace with it

> now. I sat before the healing photo and knew I had to

> forgive. I've learned so much through this, and got to see

> the stages I had to pass through to be free again.

>

> The zen story was the final piece that I needed.

>

> You are amazing.

> Thank you,

> Love, dhyana

>

[Guest guest]

Well stated dear chrism...

You as always present a loving and forgiving platform for any and all

who come to this group. I have known many people in my life but have

never met a man who " walks the talk " as you do. Yes, you have a

sense of humor that may not be understood by some - I, however love

your funny state - I love your infectious laughter - I love the fact

that I know you will love, support, and guide me no matter how often

I make a mistake or a wrong choice- I love the wonderful manner that

you present explanations( easily understood by most- in language we

can comprehend)

 

I have looked into other K guides and have yet to find any that offer

the package of protocols that I find here. Someone stated that the

safeties are common sense stuff - yes they are, but how would

one " know " to practice them if they were not presented as a form of

practice? unless of course one traveled the path and figured it out

for one's self. To be honest I do not believe in reinventing the

wheel so to speak. You have had the experiences - the pain - I am

sorry for this, however - it gives me a better opportunity to not

have to go thru all the pain- YES I LIKE THIS !!!

 

I have learned that there are no accidents- there is a reason for the

negativity that seems to crop up more frequently of late- we are in a

mode of change and advancement- you once told me to embrace

adversity - I did not understand what you meant until now - the more

that is thrown at you-and the group as a default - the more I

personally need to grasp what is and embrace it and learn from it -

LOVE IT- knowing that there are lessons to be learned.

 

You have stated that entities do not like to be around " LOVE " Seems

to me that the same is true for any and all who are out to negate

kundalini- so you are so right - bless them- forgive them and LOVE

THEM without fear...

 

Thank you for the guidance...