Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people get accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a few modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request. Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula! Denny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 OMG Denny, how many posts are off topic? Singling out one person hurts my heart. dhyana , " Denny " <dennynorton wrote: > > > I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people get > accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a few > modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request. > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula! > > Denny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 True. I don't have much to contribute about kundalini, so maybe I'll just go to those other groups. Great attitude for a family. imho Since I'm not doing well with this I will leave for a while. I don't want to bring any negativity into the Group. dhyana > > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as > > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting > > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We > > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula! > > > > Denny > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 The door is not closed to Paula and she can always return if she wishes. Change can be difficult and change via the internet even more so as it becomes more incumbant on the individual to actually make the changes. She is welcome to come back if she wishes. - blessings all - chrism , " Denny " <dennynorton wrote: >I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people get accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a few modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Perhaps our group could use some healing and love at this particular moment. Julie--- On Sun, 8/17/08, chrism <> wrote: <> Re: Paula has left- i wish her the greatest in life Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 2:31 PM The door is not closed to Paula and she can always return if she wishes. Change can be difficult and change via the internet even more so as it becomes more incumbant on the individual to actually make the changes. She is welcome to come back if she wishes. - blessings all - chrismKundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "Denny" <dennynorton@ ...> wrote:>I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people get accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a few modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 I wish Paula blessings, as well. Perhaps she can find a group where she will feel more at home. Or return with greater focus on the reason we are all here: Kundalini. I look forward to more in-depth discussions about Kundalini issues and less of a chat-group atmosphere. I agree with you, Denny, that it is not a lot to ask. Blessings & love, Claudia , " Denny " <dennynorton wrote: > > > I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people get > accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a few > modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request. > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula! > > Denny > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 @@@ I look forward to more in-depth discussions about Kundalini issues and less of a chat-group atmosphere. I agree with you, Denny, that it is not a lot to ask.@@@ I agree with you Claudia and Denny! It is best to stay on the topic of Kundalini and that is why we are here. If one wants to chat about other topics, they can go to a chat room and discuss whatever. It is very distracting when other subjects are being brought up all the time. Thank you for keeping the forum on track Chrism! Kind regards...Angelina --- " Claudia " <newtfoodbowl wrote: > > I wish Paula blessings, as well. Perhaps she can find a group where > she will feel more at home. Or return with greater focus on the reason > we are all here: Kundalini. I look forward to more in-depth > discussions about Kundalini issues and less of a chat-group > atmosphere. I agree with you, Denny, that it is not a lot to ask. > > Blessings & love, > Claudia > > --- " Denny " > <dennynorton@> wrote: > > > > > > I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people > get > > accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a > few > > modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple request. > > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as > > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting > > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We > > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula! > > > > Denny > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Ah...well...so much is being purged by this single event. Perhaps because it's in such close proximity to the " smilesforme " episode. We are being given a lesson here if we can take in the much wider picture and see it. What is your K saying to you in all this? What is our highest good here? I share sadness at the loss of Paula. She had some brilliant insights which made me look at things in myself differently but I do think she was dealing with some confusion at where she was and what she wanted. God bless her and hopefully she'll work it out and make some sense of things. I hope she will rejoin us one day. I wish that rather than humiliation it had just been about humility. I saw no shame or humiliation here. Just questioning, some confusion, perhaps trouble with expressing in words. Anyway, water under the bridge at this point. What's done is done but not irreversible. says it's time to heal, use the safeties. Absolutely. Into all things send your Love. And we have a conundrum with the staying on topic issue. Yes, this is about Kundalini. But in the searching for information we also made friends, in some cases good friends, and a sense of family has grown here. I feel that is so rare in an internet forum! We don't have a chat room or message board for chitchat but in any friendship or family, daily life is discussed so it's hard to see how to get around this issue and yet cultivate the sense that we ARE a family. Spats also arise in families so, point noted. And yet we still love each other. Of course! Can we accommodate both the educational as well as the personal? Limited at least? I can't suggest anything here only that it feels important to be more in depth in knowing people here other than just their K experience as all things relate and are effected by it. I feel pulled by this, all of it. My little boat is rocking. I'll get it stable again soon but writing was a part of that though I fought it for a bit, the urge to purge was stronger. I'm feeling funny things here right now but I know it is a lesson and this too shall pass. Hopefully, we can see what is in it for all of us and get back to the love and learning we came here for. Little storms, make life interesting, keep us on our toes but not to put us off balance. Forgive me if I've gone off topic or rocked the boat anymore. I really send my love most of all, to all of you. Valarie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Excellent points Valarie and please no worries about the off topic issue. Yes dramatic weather makes beautiful sunsets. Storms bring moister to plants and volcanos bring new soil to the surface. Let us not fight the urge to purge. Let us clean ourselves inside and out and still retain the conscious understandings and indomitable strength of the Kundalini in process. We can adjust I feel to these new dynamics. Much of the upset is really a course in ego management. Why do we respond angrily? What role is pride playing? How do we modulate our responses in ways that are productive even when the ego is screaming foul? It is a good learning opportunity for all. - , " Valarie Vousden " <vjvousden wrote: > > Ah...well...so much is being purged by this single event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 At 08:35 PM 8/17/2008, you wrote: Much of the upset is really a course in ego management. Why do we respond angrily? What role is pride playing? How do we modulate our responses in ways that are productive even when the ego is screaming foul? Or, as my friend and mentor Ross Quinn would say - " It's not that there are things happening that trigger me, it is that these reactions are triggerable. " I challenge everyone who has an emotional response - of any kind - to look at that response and ask yourself where else in your life you react that way. Journal on it a bit. Share what comes up for you. It could be extremely interesting. My own reactions came and went so fast, they are hardly worth mentioning <g> ... which is huge progress for me. I normally want to jump in and try to " fix " everything, and recent events in my life have brought home how this can actually be destructive - not only to my well being, but to the one I'm trying to " save " . Brandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Dhyana: What is this??? I know you feel like nothing you offer is K but step back and take a deep breathe- you are here for a reason and your support and encouragement means so much to so many - and the postings that you have made are meaningful to me and others- we are dealing with a difficult mode of communication- things are so easliy misinterpreted- i am trying to learn how to stay detached as much as possible so i do not get caught in the negative stuff - i think the criteria stated for k topics has caused many of us anxiety about posting - i already had anxiety and now i wander if anything i have to say is k related - but you know i go back to what chrism has said repeatedly - everything in your life now is k related - so all that one need do is review the topic and make good choices as to what one posts- somethings are just not going to be appropriate - do i know what they are -NOT --- i sometimes ask chrism if my topic is k related - it seems to me there are many of us in an amplified status and this can cause us all sorts of problems if we do not stop and look inside my thoughts e , " novalees " <dhyana wrote: > > > True. I don't have much to contribute about kundalini, so maybe I'll > just go to those other groups. Great attitude for a family. imho > > Since I'm not doing well with this I will leave for a while. I don't > want to bring any negativity into the Group. > > dhyana > > > > > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can learn as > > > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are chatting > > > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a few. We > > > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula! > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Hi , I know you wrote this to Dhyana, but I am having a lot of anxiety about posting right and have lots of times in the past as well. It took me many hours last night to make a simple discision to make a post. I have been in a state of turmoil all night and couldn't sleep and feel sick today because of it. I don't understand why chrism got on to Paula so harshly. The video Paula was sharing was about this guys journey to enlighenment. To me just the title of it points to K. How much more K related can that be? There have been some videos posted here that to me didn't have anything to do with K directly. Joseph Campbell doesn't say in words that what he experiennced was kundalini, but anyone with any understanding of K would see that it was what it was about. I do know why this is affecting me so much and so strongly and I am trying to work through it between the sobs. I have been very emotional these last few days. Maybe it is just the moon. Or maybe from having two 888 days in one month. Yesterday was considered another 888 day by astrologers, btw. Blessings & love to all, Linda -- In , " " . wrote: > > > Dhyana: > What is this??? I know you feel like nothing you offer is K but step > back and take a deep breathe- you are here for a reason and your > support and encouragement means so much to so many - and the postings > that you have made are meaningful to me and others- > > we are dealing with a difficult mode of communication- things are so > easliy misinterpreted- i am trying to learn how to stay detached as > much as possible so i do not get caught in the negative stuff - > > i think the criteria stated for k topics has caused many of us > anxiety about posting - i already had anxiety and now i wander if > anything i have to say is k related - but you know i go back to what > chrism has said repeatedly - everything in your life now is k > related - so all that one need do is review the topic and make good > choices as to what one posts- somethings are just not going to be > appropriate - do i know what they are -NOT --- > i sometimes ask chrism if my topic is k related - > > it seems to me there are many of us in an amplified status and this > can cause us all sorts of problems if we do not stop and look inside > > my thoughts > e > > > > > , " novalees " > <dhyana@> wrote: > > > > > > True. I don't have much to contribute about kundalini, so maybe I'll > > just go to those other groups. Great attitude for a family. imho > > > > Since I'm not doing well with this I will leave for a while. I don't > > want to bring any negativity into the Group. > > > > dhyana > > > > > > > > Stay on topic! Simple Enough. I am just not sure how we can > learn as > > > > much as we can about Kundalini related material if we are > chatting > > > > about pets,health issues, relationhips,Christ, just to name a > few. We > > > > have other K setup groups for just that.Farewell Paula! > > > > > > > > Denny > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Hi Linda, I'm working on my dissertation right now and for the next few years and I think something I'm experiencing may help here. Everything I say in it has to be referenced to a book or journal article or something that can be checked. It is a very unnatural way to write and I always feel like what I want to say that comes from me gets short shrift. Thank K we don't have the same standard to live up to here. But when we talk about something here, I do think we need to tie it back to the K, or we lose focus and the sitepat isn't built up. I agree Campbell does talk about K and the whole mystical tradition around it. But how many on this list have read him? If I were talking about him I would say something from the video that connects it to our conversation here. If I'm not familiar with it and it's not explained then my response is to feel that a post like that is off topic, in the same way that reading a paper without references doesn't do much to advance scientific discussion. I don't think was down on her for being off topic, so much as he was trying to ground her enough to tie her posts into the K by explaining what she was talking about. She has so much information that she is trying to share, and it all connects for her, but it's hard to follow without some kind of trail. Sometimes we're all off topic, that's just part of the learning since we don't know yet what all the connections are. I'm sure will nudge us back in line. That's why we're students, not teachers. Peter , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > Hi , I know you wrote this to Dhyana, but I am having a lot of > anxiety about posting right and have lots of times in the past as > well. It took me many hours last night to make a simple discision to > make a post. I have been in a state of turmoil all night and couldn't > sleep and feel sick today because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Great post, Peter! Claudia--- On Mon, 8/18/08, peter.nichols <peter wrote: peter.nichols <peter Re: Paula has left- i wish her the greatest in life Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:51 PM Hi Linda,I'm working on my dissertation right now and for the next few yearsand I think something I'm experiencing may help here. Everything Isay in it has to be referenced to a book or journal article orsomething that can be checked. It is a very unnatural way to writeand I always feel like what I want to say that comes from me getsshort shrift. Thank K we don't have the same standard to live up to here.But when we talk about something here, I do think we need to tie itback to the K, or we lose focus and the sitepat isn't built up. Iagree Campbell does talk about K and the whole mystical traditionaround it. But how many on this list have read him? If I weretalking about him I would say something from the video that connectsit to our conversation here. If I'm not familiar with it and it's notexplained then my response is to feel that a post like that is offtopic, in the same way that reading a paper without references doesn'tdo much to advance scientific discussion.I don't think was down on her for being off topic, so much ashe was trying to ground her enough to tie her posts into the K byexplaining what she was talking about. She has so much informationthat she is trying to share, and it all connects for her, but it'shard to follow without some kind of trail.Sometimes we're all off topic, that's just part of the learning sincewe don't know yet what all the connections are. I'm sure willnudge us back in line. That's why we're students, not teachers.PeterKundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "Linda"<crazycats711@ ...> wrote:>> Hi , I know you wrote this to Dhyana, but I am having a lot of > anxiety about posting right and have lots of times in the past as > well. It took me many hours last night to make a simple discision to > make a post. I have been in a state of turmoil all night and couldn't > sleep and feel sick today because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 I am pretty far behind on the postings, but I am sad to see all that is happening. I have a feeling that there is more going on here than some disagreements or off topic posting. Not sure what exactly, but maybe Shakti is working us as a group just as she does on us as individuals. Can we step up to the challenge? As far as postings go, there have been a great deal of off topic postings over the past few months. It hasn't been one particular person and I don't see anything wrong with Chrism's expectation of staying on topic. I run a dream group and it got out of hand a few months ago too, with all kinds of spiritual chats that had nothing to do with dreams. As the group owner, I had to bring the group back to center and be a bit more strict about off topic posting. My ten cents! I hope to see the family atmosphere back to being peaceful soon. Although, families go through their rough times too. It is one of the ways we show our love, by taking out the time and effort to work through our problems rather than throwing our hands up and quitting. Sarita , Julie <jewelport wrote:>> Perhaps our group could use some healing and love at this particular moment.> > > Julie> > --- On Sun, 8/17/08, chrism wrote:> > > Re: Paula has left- i wish her the greatest in life> > Sunday, August 17, 2008, 2:31 PM> > > > > > > The door is not closed to Paula and she can always return if she > wishes. Change can be difficult and change via the internet even more > so as it becomes more incumbant on the individual to actually make the > changes. She is welcome to come back if she wishes. - blessings all - > chrism> > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "Denny" > <dennynorton@ ...> wrote:> >I am also saddened that she chose this method. However, many people > get accustomed to doing things their way and are not willing to make a > few modfications and adjustment,and not following a few simple > request. > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Perhaps a separate chat group should be created so that those who would like to share and discuss OT things can gather? Sarita , "Valarie Vousden" <vjvousden wrote:> <We don't have a chat room or message board for chitchat but in any friendship or > family, daily life is discussed so it's hard to see how to get around > this issue and yet cultivate the sense that we ARE a family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 What you say here makes so much sense Peter! You really have a way of explaining things. I would like to see things tied in to the K, it is helpful for those who are not familiar with the topics to understand better. Sarita , "peter.nichols" <peter wrote:>> Hi Linda,> > But when we talk about something here, I do think we need to tie it> back to the K, or we lose focus and the sitepat isn't built up. I> agree Campbell does talk about K and the whole mystical tradition> around it. But how many on this list have read him? If I were> talking about him I would say something from the video that connects> it to our conversation here. If I'm not familiar with it and it's not> explained then my response is to feel that a post like that is off> topic, in the same way that reading a paper without references doesn't> do much to advance scientific discussion.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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