Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Count me in also! I give my permission for both - the Scatterfield & Shaktipat. ty Andrea ______________________ 1a. Re: The Autumnal Equinox Shaktipat 2008 - Chrism Posted by: " gypsyeyes_101 " gypsyeyes_101 gypsyeyes_101 Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:48 pm ((PDT)) Dearest Chrism, Please count me in as well ~ I give my permission for the Scatterfield and Shaktipat and am in practice of the exercises ~ Thank you! Angelina , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > Count me in also dear Teacher, > I give my permission for Scatterfield and Shaktipat. > i am in practice of the safeties and trying my very best to be the best I can be :-)) > Gratitude and love > elektra x x x > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Messages in this topic (4) ______________________ ______________________ 2a. Re: Humour/Amusement Posted by: " Elektra Fire " elektra.fire elektra.fire Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:14 pm ((PDT)) Just makes me think of the saying " lighten up " .... says a lot about laughter and its affects. also makes me think of " en-lighten-ment " . Taking things " lightly " . love e x x x Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Messages in this topic (8) ______________________ ______________________ 3a. Re: Entities in dreams? Posted by: " Elektra Fire " elektra.fire elektra.fire Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:20 pm ((PDT)) I have cetainly learnt a lot recently through constant attack from " visitors " in my dreams, what it has brought me is deeper realisation of my own divine power and a lack of fear of such things, the first time it happened I got a little worried and flustered and depressed, now, it doesnt affect my emotional balance or upset me, its like falling asleep with a mosquito in the room, not scary at all, just need the right reppellent and I've found a few. It has been an eye opener for me and I am happy to have experienced it for future benefit, I have learnt more control in my dreams which is a bonus. Love e x x x Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Messages in this topic (7) ______________________ 3b. Re: Entities in dreams? Posted by: " Elektra Fire " elektra.fire elektra.fire Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:20 pm ((PDT)) I have cetainly learnt a lot recently through constant attack from " visitors " in my dreams, what it has brought me is deeper realisation of my own divine power and a lack of fear of such things, the first time it happened I got a little worried and flustered and depressed, now, it doesnt affect my emotional balance or upset me, its like falling asleep with a mosquito in the room, not scary at all, just need the right reppellent and I've found a few. It has been an eye opener for me and I am happy to have experienced it for future benefit, I have learnt more control in my dreams which is a bonus. Love e x x x Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Messages in this topic (7) ______________________ 3c. Re: Entities in dreams? Posted by: " alayafire " ari.reza alayafire Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:16 am ((PDT)) I still have the dream entity, that pretends to be my Mother. My Mother died two months ago. I see her from behind, and I run after her, but she always runs deeper into the darkness. I do catch her , and when I do, I find the dream entity. Usually I become lucid at this point and destroy the entire dream landscape. Then I sulk broodingly in the dark. paula.. Messages in this topic (7) ______________________ 3d. Re: Entities in dreams? Posted by: " bruce_oom " bruce_oom bruce_oom Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:48 am ((PDT)) Hi all.. Just some comments on the entities in dreams...I have had dreams where guardians have literally pulled things off my back and put them in glass jars...and as they have been pulled off, my body becomes very distorted.. and then others where I am in a room full of entities and spirits with my higher self, and I know that I am protected.. however, a lot of the entities or forces that have attacked or scared me have been my own shadow elements that have been repressed and shoved away. An example was a dream I had of a black demon raping a girl I loved, and who had left the country. I was terrified and held up a cross for protection and awoke in a cold terrified sweat.. then did dreamwork where I identified with the control and possession qualities of the monster. Almost all dreams I do shadow work where I associate with the qualities of the 'enemy' I am afraid of...and so keep finding my opposites...and that usually solves the problems of visitors coming back... I dont know what everyone thinks about this, but i have noticed on the posts that there isnt much talk about shadow work...and I have found i have to always temporarily be 'the dark side' before I can move on...K was very skillful at bringing all my fears into existance.. I like teh analogy of a movie; all eyes are on the main actor, yet when an extra comes on and plays a small part, which is important for the movie to continue, all attention is on the extra, and then attention goes back to the main actor... love bruce Messages in this topic (7) ______________________ ______________________ 4. 136 cute animals Posted by: " Shahin " sh1963sh sh1963sh Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:25 pm ((PDT)) Hi all loving people I uploaded lots of cute animals photos to my web server here: http://the-starGroup.com/animal_friends_136_slides.pps file is (8.5 mega bytes) Some of them are so fluffy that some of you softer people might start crying by watching them. Keep the paper tissue handy Have a happy day Shahin Messages in this topic (1) ______________________ ______________________ 5a. Searching for answers Posted by: " rick_c_2525 " rick_c_2525 rick_c_2525 Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:48 pm ((PDT)) Hi, It was suggested to me that I join this group because of what I have been posting on the OBE newsletter message board. Rather than write it all over again, I will simply copy and paste the portion that is relevant. Keep in mind that I have no experience with any terminology or philosophies associated with any of this. I wasn't even aware anyone discussed anything like this, and have been on my own for the last twenty-six years. I have been experiencing this since I was 12 years old. I'm 38 now and have seen and felt things that I've never seen described on any of these sites. When I first experienced this at 12, I was really frightened and had no idea what was going on. Nobody could explain what I was trying to describe to them. Everyone thought it was really strange. As time went on, I began to realize that I could control myself in this state and learned how to wake myself up. I was not afraid because i knew that nothing bad could happen to me...or so I thought. Around the time I turned 20, things took a drastic turn. I lost control of my of the OBE's and began to encounter things that I didn't want any part of. I began to be able to walk around my room although not voluntarily. I heard voices and was attacked several times by things that I can only describe as energy that looked like the shape of a man without a face...just a shadow. When it would attack me, it would lunge at me, and as soon as it struck me, I would feel like I was being hit by a lightning bolt. I felt a very powerful electric shock that made my body rock. This started to happen almost every night for about a year, and some of it started to cross over into my everyday awake life. This is the part where I should mention that I do not have any psychological problems, nor do I use drugs, suffer from delusions, or any sort of depression. I'm a normal guy with a normal life and family. I am very perceptive of my surroundings and of other people, and I'm often the person who is sought for advice. So now back my experiences. After most of the episodes that I just described, I would get a phone call that would simply hang-up as soon as I answered. This was before the *69 days, so I could never find out where the calls were coming from. Only once did someone answer the phone, and it was a woman screaming bloody murder in spanish, begging for help because someone was trying to break into her house. Then she hung up and I never heard from her again. After that very scary year, I stopped having OBE's for quite sometime. When they did occur they were mild and calm again. When I was married I told my wife about them, and she even got to see it happening to me. You see, I can fall into an OBE with my eyes wide open and can see everyone around me...but that's not all I see. I can partially move my feet and my hands, blink and roll my eyes, and with a little effort even speak. Although I've entered this state in my sleep, I can also enter it while I am awake. In the last couple of years I have experienced being touched while I lay in bed before I fall asleep. That has been kind of freaky since I'm not even in an OBE at the time. I just feel a hand gently come to rest on my back, which of course makes me jump! But the OBE's have taken a new course once again. You see now I feel the presence of something with me when they occur. This something does not feel like a good thing. The feeling that I get in the OBE now is that this thing is trying to pull me out of my body against my will. I feel like it is trying to enter my body at the same time. But since I am in control of my portion, I do not fear it. I am able to fight it and out muscle it and push it away. I even verbalize during these " fights " and tell it that it can't harm me and I reach out and dare it to let me get a hold of it. I decided to write because it wouldn't let me sleep tonight and it verbally responded to me today. When I told it to go away and let me sleep, it clearly said " no " . I have spoken to others who have experienced OBE's and no one has ever been able to even come close to the experiences that I have. I view some of these sites and sometimes think that many of the writings here are a little misleading. I don't think many of people who experience this know what they're dealing with. There are a lot of things out there that are not peaceful and seem to want to cause harm. I will say that these experiences have enlightened me, given me great perception, and taken away many fears. I am a God fearing and believing person and I believe that since there's a God, there is also a devil, and a lot of stuff in between. I can't prove it, but I believe that what I'm seeing is a lot of that in between stuff Messages in this topic (4) ______________________ 5b. Re: Searching for answers - Hello Rick Posted by: " chrism " Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:51 pm ((PDT)) Hello Rick, here is the same response I gave to you on the OBE forum Quite the rockity ride you have had Rick. I have had some similar experiences. Certainly not exactly the same but similar. I will suggest that you may be having some bi-location events if you are sharing consciousness while being out and in at the same time. Taking it out of an easily explained linear format. All I can tell you really is that it is a very big aquarium. There is much discarnate consciousness and they have interaction that perceptive and sensitive individuals can experience as direct contact on flesh in waking hours. It would be appropriate to also suggest the Kundalini to you as this is a route that you will most likely be partaking of from what I read of your experiences. So I will respond to the parts of your experience specifically. The entities that are trying to pull you out of the body. Is it your feeling that they want to replace you in the body? As you are in communication with them, have they told you anything of the agenda? Have you been able to discern this on your own? Much of this sounds very pre-Kundalini to me as I had experiences with these types but not with having my " self " pulled forcefully out. I had direct in the physical encounters with them. Didn't need to go OBE at all, just needed to start to meditate and I was getting the large voltage shocks to the back. Really strong shocks that had definite voltage characteristics. Scary stuff! Didn't take too much of this for me to know something wasn't right. I had direct waking contact with dark pyramid shaped, gaseous, shadow consciousness. They would attack me in the dawn hours. Not asleep though as the attempted incursion would awaken me and cause me to see what was sitting on me. Or near me. I would shout and wave my arms through them and they move off a bit and wait. And I would sit there and watch them waiting and then they would move right over and attack again but with a feeling of anger and rage. Feels like viscous or thick cobwebs. I couldn't think of anything else to do but play some Tibetan chants. That did it. Never saw that one again. The " shockers " have consciousness and for me they would attack from behind. So I never saw them but as you know feeling them isnt a problem. I knew when they were coming as some part of me could feel their presence and I would just " know " . I changed my spiritual practice. I knew that there is a rule of valence or of frequency radiations. I knew I had Kundalini and felt they may be after that. This was early in the Kundalini for me. So about 13 or 14 years ago. I began to use service for others as an expression of spirituality. I was also in Hell at these times I should mention. I didn't want to go to sleep because I would inevitably go straight to a hell zone. Where many unfortunate activities would take place and at that time I was floundering about what to do and where to go for help. I was in a full on panic with no one to turn to mode. Having worked in the medical field there was no way I would mention this to a medical practitioner of any kind! Certainly not my family. So I was alone. I should also mention that I had been able to perceive and see and interact with discarnate entities since a very young child and they scared the snot out of me even as a child (though some were very nice) and I prayed and prayed for it to go away. After thirteen years it did. During my teens I was in relative peace. Anyway as I began to practice spirituality from a love based and service based platform I began to experience a degree of control over the Hell Zones (at least my choices in them) and of the interdimensional daytime encounters. As Claudia mentioned fear is a big deal and some of them do actually consume the energetic frequencies of fear and do their level best to initiate it in us in order to harvest that exudate from us. Being pulled from the body will generate copious amounts of fear. You already have an entity surfing and feeding upon your energetic body Rick that much is obvious. No worries as there are ways to sour the milk. Anyway as I began to move out of a fear based response and this took time. My interactions began to lessen. I do not get shocked anymore. The Kundalini continued its rise and is now in a very strong expression compared to those days gone by. Now I try to continue the service based platform in ways that help people perhaps such as yourself become more familiar to that energetic aspect of themselves. The Kundalini aspect. - Anyway my story as it pertains to yours in the quick and dirty form. - blessings to you Rick - chrism Messages in this topic (4) ______________________ 5c. Re: Searching for answers Posted by: " Claudia " newtfoodbowl newtfoodbowl Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:34 am ((PDT)) Welcome, Rick! I hope that you will find our little family to be the loving support that the rest of us have found here. You will see that many of us are not strangers to entitites, and hopefully other members' experiences will help you with your own situation. I see that no one has mentioned yet The Safeties. Here is a link: http://www.kundaliniawakeningsystems1.com/the-safeties.html They can also be found in the files section of the group's home page. As you will see, they describe what we consider basically a good way to live life....being loving and forgiving and helpful to others. As you begin to incorporate these practices into your daily life, you may find that you will begin to have some positive changes in your interactions with your bothersome entities in addition to bringing you into a place of greater spiritual balance....although it is obvious that you are already doing a great job of staying in spiritual balance within the context of your day-to-day life even in light of the challenges you have been given. I'm glad that you decided to join us and learn about Kundalini. I have a feeling that you will be glad that you did. Blessings & love, Claudia , " rick_c_2525 " <rick_c_2525 wrote: > > Hi, > > It was suggested to me that I join this group because of what I have been posting on the > OBE newsletter message board. Rather than write it all over again, I will simply copy and > paste the portion that is relevant. Keep in mind that I have no experience with any > terminology or philosophies associated with any of this. I wasn't even aware anyone > discussed anything like this, and have been on my own for the last twenty-six years. > > I have been experiencing this since I was 12 years old. I'm 38 now and have > seen and felt > things that I've never seen described on any of these sites. When I first > experienced this at > 12, I was really frightened and had no idea what was going on. Nobody could > explain > what I was trying to describe to them. Everyone thought it was really strange. > As time > went on, I began to realize that I could control myself in this state and > learned how to > wake myself up. I was not afraid because i knew that nothing bad could happen > to me...or > so I thought. Around the time I turned 20, things took a drastic turn. I lost > control of my > of the OBE's and began to encounter things that I didn't want any part of. I > began to be > able to walk around my room although not voluntarily. I heard voices and was > attacked > several times by things that I can only describe as energy that looked like the > shape of a > man without a face...just a shadow. When it would attack me, it would lunge at > me, and > as soon as it struck me, I would feel like I was being hit by a lightning bolt. > I felt a very > powerful electric shock that made my body rock. This started to happen almost > every > night for about a year, and some of it started to cross over into my everyday > awake life. > This is the part where I should mention that I do not have any psychological > problems, nor > do I use drugs, suffer from delusions, or any sort of depression. I'm a normal > guy with a > normal life and family. I am very perceptive of my surroundings and of other > people, and > I'm often the person who is sought for advice. So now back my experiences. > After most > of the episodes that I just described, I would get a phone call that would > simply hang-up > as soon as I answered. This was before the *69 days, so I could never find out > where the > calls were coming from. Only once did someone answer the phone, and it was a > woman > screaming bloody murder in spanish, begging for help because someone was trying > to > break into her house. Then she hung up and I never heard from her again. After > that very > scary year, I stopped having OBE's for quite sometime. When they did occur they > were > mild and calm again. When I was married I told my wife about them, and she even > got to > see it happening to me. You see, I can fall into an OBE with my eyes wide open > and can > see everyone around me...but that's not all I see. I can partially move my feet > and my > hands, blink and roll my eyes, and with a little effort even speak. Although > I've entered > this state in my sleep, I can also enter it while I am awake. In the last > couple of years I > have experienced being touched while I lay in bed before I fall asleep. That > has been kind > of freaky since I'm not even in an OBE at the time. I just feel a hand gently > come to rest on > my back, which of course makes me jump! But the OBE's have taken a new course > once > again. You see now I feel the presence of something with me when they occur. > This > something does not feel like a good thing. The feeling that I get in the OBE > now is that > this thing is trying to pull me out of my body against my will. I feel like it > is trying to enter > my body at the same time. But since I am in control of my portion, I do not > fear it. I am > able to fight it and out muscle it and push it away. I even verbalize during > these " fights " > and tell it that it can't harm me and I reach out and dare it to let me get a > hold of it. I > decided to write because it wouldn't let me sleep tonight and it verbally > responded to me > today. When I told it to go away and let me sleep, it clearly said " no " . I > have spoken to > others who have experienced OBE's and no one has ever been able to even come > close to > the experiences that I have. I view some of these sites and sometimes think > that many of > the writings here are a little misleading. I don't think many of people who > experience this > know what they're dealing with. There are a lot of things out there that are > not peaceful > and seem to want to cause harm. I will say that these experiences have > enlightened me, > given me great perception, and taken away many fears. I am a God fearing and > believing > person and I believe that since there's a God, there is also a devil, and a lot > of stuff in > between. I can't prove it, but I believe that what I'm seeing is a lot of that > in between > stuff > Messages in this topic (4) ______________________ 5d. Re: Searching for answers Posted by: " Elektra Fire " elektra.fire elektra.fire Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:21 am ((PDT)) Hi Rick, welcome to the group. Sounds like you've had your hands full for quite some years, remarkable that you kept it together and didn't give in to fear, I take my hat off to you. I have sometimes felt a tap on my shoulder from an invisible " friend " , heard whispers, seen shadows, felt a force lifting me out of my body when I was OBE and had entity experiences...... you are not alone at all. So glad to meet you and read your intro love elektra x x x Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Messages in this topic (4) ______________________ ______________________ 6. Entity activations Posted by: " chrism " Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:59 am ((PDT)) Sometimes an entity or group of them can have act as activation initiators. I got some pretty harsh shocks from some of them and it is not out of the realm of possibility that these were indeed a form of stimulant for the Kundalini. I still do not recommend contact with them if it can be avoided. Stay in the middle of the river and paddle over to neither shore. - Messages in this topic (1) ______________________ ______________________ 7a. Kriyas - my turn Posted by: " Bill " astronutski astronutski Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:43 am ((PDT)) Hey all, I have a quick question regarding kriyas, which it appears I am starting, the last three nights. Last night was the biggest yet, and all involved only my shoulders and arms. I am under the impression that they can become quite violent, whole body jerks and thrashes, but so far so good. My question is, since mine only involved my shoulders and arms, does this mean I've passed most of the lower body kriyas? Do they move upward similar to the rising snake? Or is this just wishful thinking? Also, please, I think I need some mental support here. I have read about it, my sister had some pretty rough nights with it, but since I wasn't haing any I mistakenly thought either one of two things.... a) that they just hadn't happened to me yet, and 2) that somehow I was pretty 'clean' and was just going to bypass this phase, like nothing or not much needed corrected. Not trying to sound arrogant, but #2 did cross my mind more of a kind of hopeful way. Last night when they came, VERY shortly after laying down, first a couple shoulder twitches, then a pretty big two shoulder whopper, my shoulders pushed down really hard, towards my legs, real quick then back. I just relaxed, surrendered to it, not fighting it, as I had read from you all, but I gotta be honest, it scared the crap out of me. Then I thought, oh crap, don't be afraid, no fear, don't go there, and then I tried as best I could to relax and just accept whatever God wanted. I fell asleep shortly after praying my butt off, lol. Love and Light, Bill Messages in this topic (3) ______________________ 7b. Re: Kriyas - my turn Posted by: " Elektra Fire " elektra.fire elektra.fire Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:03 am ((PDT)) From what I understand of Kriyas : a. they can come to any part of the body at any time and do not follow a set route. b. they are not a sign of inbalance or a need to correct anything they are just a natural part of the kundalini process. I think you did well to surrender, don't over analyze this, just allow it and give thanks for the blessings you are receiving. ITS DIVINE..... love elektra x x x Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Messages in this topic (3) ______________________ 7c. Re: Kriyas - my turn Posted by: " Sarita " sarita1969 saritadreaming Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:43 am ((PDT)) Hiya there Bill! I'm sure will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Kriyas are about things that need to be dealt with. I think they are more of a physical manifestation on our body due to the K. Just like we go through mental adjustments, we go through physical ones as well. I have had kriyas in my legs, arms, face, eyelid (very annoying, lol) and sometimes full body. The full body ones for me were like shivering in the cold, except it wasn't cold. It was an automatic thing and the first time I tried to fight it. Not a good idea! It wasn't exactly painful, but I soon got the message to quit fighting and surrender. As soon as I did I drifted to sleep. My husband is used to my weirdnesses by now and it doesn't phase him. Sarita , Bill <astronutski wrote: > > Hey all, > I have a quick question regarding kriyas, which it appears I am starting, the last three nights. > > Last night was the biggest yet, and all involved only my shoulders and arms. I am under the impression that they can become quite violent, whole body jerks and thrashes, but so far so good. My question is, since mine only involved my shoulders and arms, does this mean I've passed most of the lower body kriyas? Do they move upward similar to the rising snake? Or is this just wishful thinking? > > Also, please, I think I need some mental support here. I have read about it, my sister had some pretty rough nights with it, but since I wasn't haing any I mistakenly thought either one of two things.... a) that they just hadn't happened to me yet, and 2) that somehow I was pretty 'clean' and was just going to bypass this phase, like nothing or not much needed corrected. Not trying to sound arrogant, but #2 did cross my mind more of a kind of hopeful way. > > Last night when they came, VERY shortly after laying down, first a couple shoulder twitches, then a pretty big two shoulder whopper, my shoulders pushed down really hard, towards my legs, real quick then back. I just relaxed, surrendered to it, not fighting it, as I had read from you all, but I gotta be honest, it scared the crap out of me. Then I thought, oh crap, don't be afraid, no fear, don't go there, and then I tried as best I could to relax and just accept whatever God wanted. I fell asleep shortly after praying my butt off, lol. > > Love and Light, > Bill > Messages in this topic (3) ______________________ ______________________ 8a. Dreamed about two huge birth control pill cases !? Posted by: " ntaroiu " lsirca ntaroiu Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:46 am ((PDT)) I had this dream this morning and I was in this building and there was me and this man sitting down at a table.On the table there were 2 birth control pill cases,one dark purple and one brown and I was telling this guy that they are huge,lol.There was a group of people in the same room but further away.Yieks !I've never dreamed about birth control pills.Strange,very strange!!! love,nicole Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ 8b. Re: Dreamed about two huge birth control pill cases !? Posted by: " Elektra Fire " elektra.fire elektra.fire Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:15 am ((PDT)) It makes me think of the matrix " do you want the blue pill or the red pill? " through the rabbit hole? love elektra x x x Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ ______________________ 9. Autumnal Equinox Shaktipat 2008 Posted by: " stagspurling " stag stagspurling Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:12 am ((PDT)) I request to be included in the Autumnal Equinox Shaktipat and give permission for the scatterfield. I observe the safeties with particular attention to emotional balancing. Also,tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of acceptance into the KAS1 group. I am honored to be a part of this international intentional community and thank and send blessings to everyone here. I would like to express my heartfelt gratitude to for his teachings, wisdom, kindness and compassion. blessings, stag Messages in this topic (1) ______________________ ______________________ 10. Kundalini - Chi - Superpowers Posted by: " xrewindx " samsond xrewindx Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:35 am ((PDT)) I stumbled upon the John Chang video today (you can find a link in the links section), and it was followed by a thread about his abilities. I decided to post one comment i found very interesting for newbies who want to activate to gain superpowers. Using other words, it all come back to the safeties. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The author signed " Nobody knows " I have been studying for a very long time, it seems. Since I was very young. I have seen ki demonstrations, chi-gung demonstrations, etc.. The exercises are available for anyone that wants to spend the time to do them and learn how to master them to the highest levels. Tai Chi forms are available online, yogic breath training can be found on line. You don't need any more info than that. Even if a master crushed a one ton stone every day in front of you with the fist of one hand, it wouldn't make any difference to your abilities. All he, or John C, has done is show you that it is possible. It is still all on you to figure it out and do it. What you can't find on line is the understanding of how and why these things are possible. So you turn to John or others and sit at their feet in hopes of some of what they have learned will rub off on you. You forget that John had to teach himself and you have to also. Its like the scene in " The Life of Brian " where Brian is pursued by a crowd who is trying their best to deify him but do not actually understand what Brian is up to and why he is running away. They stopped listening inside and heard what Brian was saying as he disguised himself as a soothsayer and pursued him for knowlege. It was so futile that it was funny but that is what many of you on this thread are doing. You are missing the point.. You can train to be able to miraculously turn on an LED or you can train so that whatever makes that possible works to your benefit on demand in any situation where you feel that you need it even without your conscious thought. Its already there and working anyway.. If you train for that general benefit rather than to knock over a brick with your chi from ten feet away, then you are gaining an understanding into what these skills are really about. These abilities find their roots in ancient shamanic practices and if you focus on the depth of training that makes you a strong healer, certain abilities will manifest of their own accord. You need to eat well, surrender egotistical manifestations, focus on compassion and healing and practice seriously every day. The miraculous will manifest regardless of what it is you are doing if you do it diligently enough. That is what growth is and that is why we acknowlege people who are good at so many things. They have taken their skills to a very high level be it martial arts, painting, cooking, or whatever. If one practices diligently one ends up with a " spiritual " practice that can demonstrate tangible and sublime results. This knowlege disqualifies those that aren't prepared because they can't handle it even if they can recognize it - and often an unprepared mind can't even see what is happening right in front of its own nose. Many of these physical/martial abilities are tricks of leverage combined with a high skill level, like many of the more commonly known Aikido demonstrations of so-called " Ki " like the unbending arm or making oneself " heavy " . The proper techniques for doing this end up being reduced to simple physical principles. And yes there are strong and bona fide Aikido expressions of ki.. If you can't see that it is a matter of physics, then how can you recognize chi, ki, qi when it is really active in front of you? Notice that when John C is pushing a chopstick through a board he is using all the correct leverage and stance that one would use if one was shoving a chopstick through a board. He is breathing carefully, focusing, applying force and leverage.. and a little bit more. He doesn't just pick up a chopstick and ease it through the board like a sharp needle through a banana. All of these things are related and dependant on an understanding of the physics of this reality but the properly trained adept can be just a little more than the sum of those factors. You don't need a teacher for that. You aren't ready for a teacher if you can't see the difference between ki and physics. The first step is surrender. Let go of what you think you know, what you think you need, what you think life is, what you think ki, qi, chi is, etc. Train your awareness by sitting still, breathing carefully and listening to what is going on around you. Once you are in a stable place you will be able to see the real forces at work in your world. The interplay between minds on the street, the nonlocal information that your mind can gather when it is quieted, the energies around events and incidents that compose the experience of life. Without that level of awareness you can't heal yourself or anyone else. With it you can begin to be a small force in your world, living carefully and impeccably, with mindfulness. Eventually you will see and feel and develop your own conscious expression of these energies. Have you noticed that most of the people who are capable of these types of expression are healers? Do you know why that is? Is that compatible with the type of martial expression that you are currently visualizing? Think about it. Ask yourself " Why do I want to be able to light a newspaper on fire with my chi? " If you can answer that honestly, then you can see both your problem and the solution and that will put you on the right path. It isn't that martial prowess is " bad " or that being nice and healing people is " good " ... so think. why is it that these people who can do these things are invariably healers? Go to any tradition anywhere and the story is the same. Those with the highest powers are healers.. figure that out and you will actually know something of value to your journey. Don't dispair and don't let anyone tell you that you aren't capable or worthy of learning these things. If not you who wants to know, then who? Be diligent, be motivated, be patient and be honest with yourself and the opportunities to learn and grow will come and the sublime will manifest when called to do so. Messages in this topic (1) ______________________ ______________________ 11. Kundalin's agenda for one Posted by: " orvokki21 " orvokki21 orvokki21 Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:58 am ((PDT)) Hi everyone! When will I know Kundalini's agenda for me? Does it happen when Kundalini raises to sixth chakra, third eye is opened or at some other time? I would like to know it soon. - Anu Messages in this topic (1) ______________________ ______________________ 12a. posession* anyone experienced this? Posted by: " alayafire " ari.reza alayafire Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:59 am ((PDT)) My friend bought a coffee shop and he asked me to draw him some plans for his builders.The shop was like a timewarp. It had 1920 gollywog mirrors,old weighing pans , a 1930's till ,it was an interesting pistachio coloured museum. It was named , " The Lido " . In the kitchen , there was an old roll top desk, nosey as I am I peeked inside. On looking inside I felt my consciousness dip. I had been posessed by the old shop owner. Trough his eyes he showed me his shop in its hayday, busy and lively, his personality its main attraction.He loved his business, his life. His message was, don't change my shop, or i'll make it have no luck. My friend wanted ultra-modern eeks. All I can say is thank goodness for retro style, a fusion of the two. The past preserved and a nod to the new. Saved my bacon and saved my friend some renovation costs...The Lido lives on! ..................................................................... I've experienced possession quite a few times,sometimes antiques, sometimes places. My strangest one was some quartz crystals. They were nasty,carried in them someone that wanted to take over me, he didnt last long.lol.. Have you guys experienced this? and how do you protect yourself from it? paula.... Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ 12b. Re: posession* anyone experienced this? Posted by: " djgottlieb " dgottlieb djgottlieb Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:56 am ((PDT)) > I peeked inside. On looking inside I felt my consciousness dip. > Have you guys experienced this? and how do you protect yourself from it? Paula, When this happens to me, especially if I feel my consciousness DIP, I try to establish some boundaries. I usually wipe off my arms as if I'm discarding some yucky gook that got onto them; then I focus on my navel center and my third eye and do mantra. I want to experience me, not the consciousness of other things/people. I may surreptitiously (or overtly, if there's no audience to freak out) adopt a defensive martial arts posture. I imagine my energy field extending around me providing protective armor. Used to be the energy field came from my navel center -- I've been more recently experimenting with radiating it from my heart. In any case, I guess it's my version of the protective circle Elektra mentioned. I try to carefully distinguish between my own thoughts and those of others I may be tuning in to. By the way, I've found that this can happen with incarnate humans as well, not just disincarnates. Once boundaries are established, I guess you can decide whether or not you want to interact. Did he force himself onto you, or did you just happen to pick up on him because of your sensitivities? If he's sincerely the old shop keeper and not something else masquerading, it sounds like he could use some loving help moving on. On the other hand, it may not be him at all -- if he spent a lot of time in life at the desk doing work, he probably infused it with his vibrations and you may have been picking up on this. Just a thought - - you were there -- only you can say. David Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ ______________________ 13a. Another fun K. week... Posted by: " bruce_oom " bruce_oom bruce_oom Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:25 am ((PDT)) this was a fun one..it started last week with dreams of being attacked by a polar bear in the ocean, which grabbed my left arm and mauled it...then, in the same dream, I was hit by sharks which turned into seals and we were all playing in large powerful waves.. the next day, I slept a lot with a lot of kriya activity in my left arm and tension in my left shoulder..then another dream.. " I am taking an elevator to the top of a mountain, where I was on a platuae with many animals. I was camping with friends on a ridge when lions descended from somewhere above. They were big ones with manes (males). I was concerned (to put it mildly) that the cats were going to eat me. They ignored me and ran onto the plaine, where a single lion charged like a rocket, leapt about 7 meters in the air and flattened a giraffe, killing it... " I had been having a lot of crown chakra activity, and the followind day after the dream, I slept for almost continuosly for two days,and this week I have constant tension in my neck (I can hardly turn my head to one side) and have been exhausted, with lots of kriyas and twitches and the like, and sometimes a feeling like a nail in my head. I had another dream where I was stuck to the side of the wall with my head impaled on a nail....(not for the fainthearted..ha).. today, I forced myself to do yoga (after 4 sun salutations I was lying sprawled on the floor like a dead rat), then had a very interesting meditation.something very subtle let go...my sense of self dissolved and there was just experience arising...radically liberating...and not an experience..rather..no seperate me...or everything is arising in me..very simple actually... I feel okay again tonight.the tension is starting to lift after 5 days of pain...but thankfully no neurotic and suicidal thoughts with this wave....maybe back on the up...(hopefully..been flattened by K. as my body gets pushed again and again is fun fun fun.. Funny thing is that I enjoy it...I used to push myself to the extreme physically in teh past in various ways... ...and still having lots of funny energetic squiggles within...oh..and its been amazing how K always wacks me when I have free time. Last yeear and the year before, everytime I took some leave or had a break of a few days, I would get whacked by a severe burst of K. Shakti has great timing love to all Buce Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ 13b. Re: Another fun K. week... Posted by: " Elektra Fire " elektra.fire elektra.fire Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:28 am ((PDT)) Wow Bruce, the way your dreams correspond to your symptoms is quite fascinating.... Don't like the idea of the nail in the head but I understand Shakti has her plan. Wishing you blessings elektra x x x Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ ______________________ 14. Not quite entities but a threat - dreams Posted by: " Valarie Vousden " vjvousden vjvousden Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:49 am ((PDT)) On the subject of entities, particularly in dreams, I have lately had dreams of UFOs. But that isn't the problem. The problem and the threat is from secret govmt ops (the equivalent of " bad entities " ). I've had 2 dreams in the last 2 weeks about this. Last night's is this: *I'm on vacation with some friends, not sure where but it's green, treed (definitely not Arizona). My husband, daughter and I are at a playground. My daughter has found a cool hideout/secret clubhouse inside some bushes. I go in with her and play her pretend game. But I look out and up and happen to see a UFO come from far away quickly to nearly overhead and only maybe 10,000ft. up. I'm not the only one who sees this, my husband happens to see it too. I wait for his reaction but he doesn't seem to react, just stares up, mesmerized. I come out of the bush and see other people congregating and looking up in awe. It zooms off. Then 3 or 4 more ships come and hover over our general area. I see more are coming this way in the distance. I'm just amazed, in awe but not afraid. The other people seem to be the same. I go toward a little plain white house nearby, like my late grandmother's home-a pre-world war II wood frame house, the first cookie cutter homes. Anyway, I go in and see it is like a woodsman's home, rustic, earthy, wood paneled, deer antlers over the fireplace sort of thing. Very masculine. I find a nice flannel shirt on the floor. As I do I hear gun shots and screams from outside. I pick up the shirt and then see on it's lower half, it is soaked in and dripping blood! I go to the next room which is the bedroom (it's so small!) and see an unmade bed (green sheets). The headboard of the bed is streaked with blood as is the floor! I'm horrified! I hear more gun shots outside and I know this is the black ops killing people that have witnessed the UFOs and they just want to shut all the witnesses up.* <End of dream> I never felt threatened personally in this dream even as this was going on all around me. I was there but as if invisible to the gunmen. Just an observer once I left my family at the playground. But this is my second dream of this type. Why UFOs? And these black trench coat, dark sunglasses Gmen? I'm not a big conspiracy type person though I know nefarious things are going on that I'm not privy to. Any thoughts anyone? I do realize dreams are personal to the dreamer so won't be hurt if no one answers. But if you feel so moved, I appreciate it. 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