GUSTAV WE CAN HELP! Intention-right or wrong?

September 1, 2008

I don't know if it is right or wrong to use intention for this

purpose. The way I see it, any intention on our part is done to bring

about some change rather it be the effect of a storm or disease or

whatever. Is using the art of intention wrong? I have used it a lot

in my lifetime, not to bring on harm, but help it to cease. If it is

wrong then I have a lot of karma to pay.

Linda

, " novalees "

<dhyana wrote:

>

> I like that plan. Hanna is now a hurricane, and Ike is looking

> like a potential one. I wonder if Intention can steer them away,

or

> trying the cold air...or influencing the jet streams...

>

> Pondering.

> Love, dhyana

>

> , " Linda "

> <crazycats711@> wrote:

> >

> > All week, along with prayer, I have been visusalizing cold air

being

> > directed in the center by gaint hands, thus cooling the center to

> > cause it to loose it's strength.

> >

> > Linda

> >

> > , Julie

> > <jewelport@> wrote:

> > >

> > > yea paula,

> > > i like the WHITE LIGHT...........

> > >

> > > Julie

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 9/1/08, alayafire <ari.reza@> wrote:

> > >

> > > alayafire <ari.reza@>

> > > GUSTAV WE CAN HELP!

> > >

> > > Monday, September 1, 2008, 2:27 PM

> > >

> > > Everyone lets try to help the Gustav storm area.

> > >

> > > There must be a reason to have kundalini, and why we all

collected

> > > here, lets use it to do some good!

> > >

> > > We can focus a beam of collective white light , and ask shakti

to

> > > direct it where its needed , (this will make it stronger than

if we

> > > all have induvidual decisions)

> > > We could focus on my wishing tree and shoot the energy out of

it ,

> > it

> > > has been used for energy work like this for about 100 years!

> > >

> > > or maybe shoot it through chrism?

> > >

> > > what do you all think?

> > >

> > > This is the 3rd time i've tried to post this !

> > > one came out as a repeat of my other post..

> > > hope it gets there this time

> > > paula

> > >

> >

>

September 1, 2008

** Is using the art of intention wrong? I have used it a lot

> in my lifetime, not to bring on harm, but help it to cease. If it is

> wrong then I have a lot of karma to pay. **

Linda

You and me both Linda, At least yours is selfless service to others,

Im worse, my travels with intention began when I intended a pony at

age 7! suddenly a beautiful young palamino named Czara , suddenly

found herself ownerless and offered to me, and in just the colour I

ordered...

I got the pony with a bing*, and I've been binging ever since...I

thought the goddess is generous, she gives in abundance...she gives to

everyone ,

I had no idea it was wrong, I must be honest and admit ,before I

wondered why everyone on the list that had money problems, were

not just binging* it...

now I know,

naughty Paula , bad..

September 1, 2008

As says Imho. Let me try to explain what I mean. Attempting to

change outcomes has an implication that one way is good, another bad.

There are a lot of things in this world that I feel I am qualified to make

decisions about. I'm a pretty skilled guy. There are a million times more

things I haven't a clue about, and quite rightly should not be allowed to

make decisions about them.

Why is it, that on the healing list permission must be given first?

In attempting to determine if Gustav is a good or bad thing what level of

knowledge is needed to make that determination? Can we honestly put

ourselves at that level? I think that is called hubris.

Mother earth, has guided me, sheltered me, fed me, and shared unbelievable

joy with me. Now in the guise of shakti, she leads me even further on. I

have to much respect for her to second guess her.

Gustav could very well be today's lesson in surrender and I for one, would

not want to spoil it for those who need it.

Peace

Don

> I don't know if it is right or wrong to use intention for this

> purpose. The way I see it, any intention on our part is done to bring

> about some change rather it be the effect of a storm or disease or

> whatever. Is using the art of intention wrong? I have used it a lot

> in my lifetime, not to bring on harm, but help it to cease. If it is

> wrong then I have a lot of karma to pay.

>

> Linda

>

September 1, 2008

I have done a lot of intending for selfish reasons, as well. LOL!

Don't we all, especially as children.

If no one intended for them selves then there would not be those with

an abundance to share with others. The way I see it, those who share,

end up with more and more, because you cannot out give God. But there

is the other side of the coin, intention doesn't just work for those

who are selfless. those who serve self can use the same principle and

do. It isn't wrong to have a lot, it'a all in how you use it. Have

you watch the movie " The Secret " . It is really based on biblical

principles of abundance.

Linda

, " alayafire "

<ari.reza wrote:

>

> ** Is using the art of intention wrong? I have used it a lot

> > in my lifetime, not to bring on harm, but help it to cease. If it

is

> > wrong then I have a lot of karma to pay. **

> Linda

>

> You and me both Linda, At least yours is selfless service to others,

> Im worse, my travels with intention began when I intended a pony at

> age 7! suddenly a beautiful young palamino named Czara , suddenly

> found herself ownerless and offered to me, and in just the colour I

> ordered...

> I got the pony with a bing*, and I've been binging ever since...I

> thought the goddess is generous, she gives in abundance...she gives

to

> everyone ,

>

> I had no idea it was wrong, I must be honest and admit ,before I

> wondered why everyone on the list that had money problems, were

> not just binging* it...

>

> now I know,

> naughty Paula , bad..

>

September 1, 2008

Well, I'm sure opinions abound! Jesus calmed the storm. If I am

given the opportunity to pray and maybe invite the storm to go

out to sea, I have no problem in doing that. If it is meant to be

then nothing I do or think will have any effect.

I have no problem with that either.

Love and hugs,

dhyana

, " Linda "

<crazycats711 wrote:

>

> I don't know if it is right or wrong to use intention for this

> purpose. The way I see it, any intention on our part is done to bring

> about some change rather it be the effect of a storm or disease or

> whatever. Is using the art of intention wrong? I have used it a lot

> in my lifetime, not to bring on harm, but help it to cease. If it is

> wrong then I have a lot of karma to pay.

>

> Linda

September 1, 2008

, " Linda "

<crazycats711 wrote:

>

> I have done a lot of intending for selfish reasons, as well. LOL!

> Don't we all, especially as children.

>

> If no one intended for them selves then there would not be those

with

> an abundance to share with others. The way I see it, those who

share,

> end up with more and more, because you cannot out give God. But

there

> is the other side of the coin, intention doesn't just work for

those

> who are selfless. those who serve self can use the same principle

and

> do. It isn't wrong to have a lot, it'a all in how you use it.

Have

> you watch the movie " The Secret " . It is really based on biblical

> principles of abundance.

>

> Linda

>

hi Linda..

This is exactly my belief too Linda, that we are provided for in

abundance, and if we are provided for so should we provide for

others..

as you say , like any gift of power be it intent or kundalini , it's

how you use it...

thanks Linda enjoyed it.

Paula

>

September 1, 2008

Should we interfer with anything then, when disasters strick. Maybe

it should just be evry man for himself and let the chips fall where

they may. Should we pull that one from the car wreck to save their

life. Did you get their permission first? Maybe it was their time to

die and you interfered. I just know that if I had not of intended a

tornado to go back up into the air and cause no harm, by grandson and

daughter would not be here today. In another similar instance I and

the most of my family members would have had the same fate. They all

ran shelter and I ran outside and commanded to storm to go back up

into the air. It could have all been just co-incidences. I have no

proof that my intending does anything. It could have happened that

way, anyways and I am just the crazy family member. When I see harm

happening I at least have to pray and intend to the best of my

knowledge. If I have karma to pay then so be it.

Linda

, merlin

wrote:

>

> As says Imho. Let me try to explain what I mean. Attempting

to

> change outcomes has an implication that one way is good, another

bad.

>

> There are a lot of things in this world that I feel I am qualified

to make

> decisions about. I'm a pretty skilled guy. There are a million

times more

> things I haven't a clue about, and quite rightly should not be

allowed to

> make decisions about them.

>

> Why is it, that on the healing list permission must be given first?

>

> In attempting to determine if Gustav is a good or bad thing what

level of

> knowledge is needed to make that determination? Can we honestly put

> ourselves at that level? I think that is called hubris.

>

> Mother earth, has guided me, sheltered me, fed me, and shared

unbelievable

> joy with me. Now in the guise of shakti, she leads me even further

on. I

> have to much respect for her to second guess her.

>

> Gustav could very well be today's lesson in surrender and I for

one, would

> not want to spoil it for those who need it.

>

> Peace

>

> Don

>

> > I don't know if it is right or wrong to use intention for this

> > purpose. The way I see it, any intention on our part is done to

bring

> > about some change rather it be the effect of a storm or disease or

> > whatever. Is using the art of intention wrong? I have used it a

lot

> > in my lifetime, not to bring on harm, but help it to cease. If it

is

> > wrong then I have a lot of karma to pay.

> >

> > Linda

> >

>

September 1, 2008

Merlin my friend, what if it's not natural..?

what if it's scalar.?

This technology was available to Nicola Tesla 100 years ago , imaging

what they can do now.

There is much evidence that the levies last time were tampered with ,

and rescue services saw the levvy breaking and were not allowed to

respond.The black people were not allowed to leave.

My cousin was there and they let her just drive out.

Why did the government order body bags in advance then take a lifetime

to help...

I think we should send the love...

Much love Paula..

September 1, 2008

I've been there any number of times, I still remember the fat lady who hit

so hard her clothes were ripped off of her. She was a bear to move away

from the wreck. I did those things without thought, if I had stopped to

think it would have all been over. I think there is a difference,

intention is and by itself thought, a conscious desire to change outcomes.

Thought is actually very left brained. You don't meet shakti by thinking

about her.

You meet by surrendering to her. The best things I do, I do when I'm not

thinking, when I allow things to be.

Anyway just my thoughts, Chuckle

Don

> Should we interfer with anything then, when disasters strick. Maybe

> it should just be evry man for himself and let the chips fall where

> they may. Should we pull that one from the car wreck to save their

> life. Did you get their permission first? Maybe it was their time to

> die and you interfered. I just know that if I had not of intended a

> tornado to go back up into the air and cause no harm, by grandson and

> daughter would not be here today. In another similar instance I and

> the most of my family members would have had the same fate. They all

> ran shelter and I ran outside and commanded to storm to go back up

> into the air. It could have all been just co-incidences. I have no

> proof that my intending does anything. It could have happened that

> way, anyways and I am just the crazy family member. When I see harm

> happening I at least have to pray and intend to the best of my

> knowledge. If I have karma to pay then so be it.

>

> Linda

>

> , merlin

> wrote:

>>

>> As says Imho. Let me try to explain what I mean. Attempting

> to

>> change outcomes has an implication that one way is good, another

> bad.

>>

>> There are a lot of things in this world that I feel I am qualified

> to make

>> decisions about. I'm a pretty skilled guy. There are a million

> times more

>> things I haven't a clue about, and quite rightly should not be

> allowed to

>> make decisions about them.

>>

>> Why is it, that on the healing list permission must be given first?

>>

>> In attempting to determine if Gustav is a good or bad thing what

> level of

>> knowledge is needed to make that determination? Can we honestly put

>> ourselves at that level? I think that is called hubris.

>>

>> Mother earth, has guided me, sheltered me, fed me, and shared

> unbelievable

>> joy with me. Now in the guise of shakti, she leads me even further

> on. I

>> have to much respect for her to second guess her.

>>

>> Gustav could very well be today's lesson in surrender and I for

> one, would

>> not want to spoil it for those who need it.

>>

>> Peace

>>

>> Don

>>

>> > I don't know if it is right or wrong to use intention for this

>> > purpose. The way I see it, any intention on our part is done to

> bring

>> > about some change rather it be the effect of a storm or disease or

>> > whatever. Is using the art of intention wrong? I have used it a

> lot

>> > in my lifetime, not to bring on harm, but help it to cease. If it

> is

>> > wrong then I have a lot of karma to pay.

>> >

>> > Linda

>> >

>>

>

> ---

>

September 1, 2008

but the alchemy occurs when you put the 2 together.

the male + female = god!

right brain + left brain = transcendance!

paula...

, merlin

wrote:

>

> I've been there any number of times, I still remember the fat lady

who hit

> so hard her clothes were ripped off of her. She was a bear to move

away

> from the wreck. I did those things without thought, if I had

stopped to

> think it would have all been over. I think there is a difference,

> intention is and by itself thought, a conscious desire to change

outcomes.

> Thought is actually very left brained. You don't meet shakti by

thinking

> about her.

> You meet by surrendering to her. The best things I do, I do when

I'm not

> thinking, when I allow things to be.

>

> Anyway just my thoughts, Chuckle

>

> Don

>

September 1, 2008

Yes, some serious funky stuff, I agree. I'm right beside you with this for

sure. Got my hand on your shoulder. And do not get me started on scalar

waves.

Grin, so off topic chuckle.

Much love back

Don

>

> I think we should send the love...

>

> Much love Paula..

September 1, 2008

> intention is and by itself thought, a conscious desire to change

outcomes.

> Don

Intent in its true sense is way more than thought. Thought is but a

small part of it. It has much more to do with integrating the left and

right sides of the brain, to the centre,then pulling the power from

the manipura chakra. I then shoot the energy out from the eyes, but

Linda praying , I imagine she shoots a white light form the top of her

head..

the art of intent

love paula..

>

September 2, 2008

Very well said Don! I have been sending for the higher good, not asking anything or making any specifications. It's a tough lesson to swallow, but if we changed the events we might be robbing someone of a needed event or lesson.

Sarita

, merlin wrote:>> As says Imho. Let me try to explain what I mean. Attempting to> change outcomes has an implication that one way is good, another bad.> > There are a lot of things in this world that I feel I am qualified to make> decisions about. I'm a pretty skilled guy. There are a million times more> things I haven't a clue about, and quite rightly should not be allowed to> make decisions about them.> > Why is it, that on the healing list permission must be given first?> > In attempting to determine if Gustav is a good or bad thing what level of> knowledge is needed to make that determination? Can we honestly put> ourselves at that level? I think that is called hubris.> > Mother earth, has guided me, sheltered me, fed me, and shared unbelievable> joy with me. Now in the guise of shakti, she leads me even further on. I> have to much respect for her to second guess her.> > Gustav could very well be today's lesson in surrender and I for one, would> not want to spoil it for those who need it.> > Peace> > Don> > > > I don't know if it is right or wrong to use intention for this> > purpose. The way I see it, any intention on our part is done to bring> > about some change rather it be the effect of a storm or disease or> > whatever. Is using the art of intention wrong? I have used it a lot> > in my lifetime, not to bring on harm, but help it to cease. If it is> > wrong then I have a lot of karma to pay. > >> > Linda> >>

September 2, 2008

> but the alchemy occurs when you put the 2 together.

the male + female = god!

right brain + left brain = transcendance! <

???

, " alayafire "

<ari.reza wrote:

>

> but the alchemy occurs when you put the 2 together.

> the male + female = god!

> right brain + left brain = transcendance!

>

> paula...

>

> , merlin@

> wrote:

> >

> > I've been there any number of times, I still remember the fat

lady

> who hit

> > so hard her clothes were ripped off of her. She was a bear to

move

> away

> > from the wreck. I did those things without thought, if I had

> stopped to

> > think it would have all been over. I think there is a difference,

> > intention is and by itself thought, a conscious desire to change

> outcomes.

> > Thought is actually very left brained. You don't meet shakti by

> thinking

> > about her.

> > You meet by surrendering to her. The best things I do, I do when

> I'm not

> > thinking, when I allow things to be.

> >

> > Anyway just my thoughts, Chuckle

> >

> > Don

> >

>

September 2, 2008

At 02:31 AM 9/2/2008, you wrote:

Very well said Don! I have been

sending for the higher good, not asking anything or making any

specifications. It's a tough lesson to swallow, but if we changed

the events we might be robbing someone of a needed event or

lesson.

Or making things worse elsewhere for others. We can move a hurricane a

degree or two, or slow the winds down a bit, but that energy has to go

somewhere. We don't know what our impact may be, or how we could actually

make things worse with the best intentions.

A friend of mine once sent me healing energy without informing me and I

interpreted it as a psychic attack. I ended up in awful pain with

migraines and nightmares. Once he traced the origin to his healing work,

he was distraught.

I still think that global healing starts at home. Find someone to

forgive, a wound to heal, some baggage to drop. Then teach others to do

the same. That is what will save the world in the end.

Brandi

September 2, 2008

I believe we must simply do what we believe is right and for the

greatest benefit. If our actions turn out to be incorrect in some

way, then we learn from our mistakes and become wiser. As long as our

intentions are good I do not believe the Karmic debt will be too heavy

That said, I also like Don's words about not messing with things we

know nothing about since the odds of tripping ourselves greatly

increase. Act wisely! Also Paula, sending white light for benefit

where needed. Intentionally vague and wonderful!

-Gabriel