The Obstacles of the Ego

[Guest guest]

.. Spirits incarnate into the Earth realm for one reason and one reason alone...to raise their levels of consciousness. As Spirits incarnated, humans live a life motivated by choices, activated by experiences all the while ascending or descending in levels of consciousness. Each incarnation presents oportunities for each and every incarnated Spirit to raise their levels of conciousness higher than their present level of conciousness. The higher the level of consciousness the closer to the perfection of All that IS and the closer to the Truth of All that IS. All the Spirits incarnated are given the same starting point with their first incarnation, the same chances, no one is better, or has a better shot, or given better circumstances. The initial incarnation is the starting point, what choices are made in such incarnation will depend on whether the incarnated spirit will ascend to the Heavenly realm or inhabit the realms that preclude incarnation. It is through subjectivety that a human experience an illusionary existence. It is through the teachings, the religions, and social interaction that a human is presented with choices, these choices will either enhance or hinder the level of conciousness of such human. As the human continues the present existence the level of conciousness will either go up or down. The lower the level of conciousness the bigger the karmic propensities of such human and the likelyhood of reincarnating. As I said before, humans incarnate with a set

level of conciousness such that if the original level of consciousness is not maintained or transcended to a higher level the Spirit must incarnate over and over again until a level of consciousness has been reached that will allow the Spirit Self steadily be in an attractor field that of the Celestial Realm. All Spirits originate from the Heaven Reams and they are given the same oportunity to return to such realm. The choices are simple, live a life that is Love based as the context of All...in such forgiveness, lovingness, and compassion are the dominant factors. Human exercising such simple existence will reach a level of awareness that will transcend the need to depend so emotionally with the ego/self. As such, the awareness will lead to a willingness to surrender the ego/self/will to the Divine Father/God/Godhead (however you interpreted the Divine to be). This surrendering is motivated by love and only love. If the condition of

Love does not exist in one self it can not be a condition that the self can experience in others. If the condition of forgiveness does not exist in one self it can not be a condition that the self can experience from or towards others. If compassion for one self does not exist it can not exist towards others. In so with the just said, love, forgive and be compassionate with your(self) as in doing so will create an impetus in others including your conciousness level. You are here, in this incarnation, to raise your level of conciousness, you will be in your next incarnation to raise your level of conciousness and your next incarnation will be approached for the same reason. Incarnation after incarnation until the level of consciousness has been reached enough to meet the minimum allowable to enter through the Heaven's gate. There are no short cuts, favors, pleads, special breathings, offerings, yoga movements, pain or sufferings,

diet requirements, chantings, prayers, or Shaktipats required. God, or how ever you interpret the Divine to be, does not place a human in a situation requiring him/her to be prescribed to the list of ego based falsities that I have mentioned in the previous sentence.It is perception, an illusion that the ego/self creates for the mere purpose of survival, an almost animal instint survival. The ego/self does not live in the lovingness, forgiving and compassionate states...it threatens its survival. Therefore, one needs to transcend the ego/self first. Simple, very very simple. Live this existence in the eternal present...in lovingness, forgiveness and compassion, pray to the Divine God (or your preferred name for the Divine) for guidance, question all and seek only the Truth. God is perfection.People have definite opinions about what is Karma and the question of reincarnation is a favorite area for

argument. All religions, however, agree that the energy body, after physical death, goes on to a fate determined by one's actions during the physical lifetime. Therefore, the fate is determined primarily by the spiritual decisions and actions that were made, with great importance given to intention, responsibility and the presence of ones will. One's fate, obviously, will either be for the better or for the worse, depending on the choices made by the person's "free" will. It is more important to understand the factors that determine the fate of the soul/energy body and its destiny after physical "death". One's ultimate fate is the automatic and impersonal consequence of the choices one were presented with and the decisions made with the choices.. One's fate after physical "death" is merely the inevitable, consequence of one's own choice and not a reward or a punishment meted out arbitrarily by some external figure, energy or power.

This is the absolute justice of God that guarantees absolute fairness and impartiality. Judgment is therefore merely a semantic invention that serves as an explanation from the presumption of the human mind, the ego. One's spiritual destiny is sealed and determined by one's own hand and its actions, each person, with absolute fairness, determines their own fate. Thus, God's justice is indeed perfectly self fulfilling. Mankind then needs to take responsibility for its own fate and stop blaming God, who has been much maligned. In reality, the Love of God, like the sun, shines equally on all. There are some who hears and then there are some who will listen. Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software represents the programming society as well as by one's own inherited influences. The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the reality

that the human mind is incapable of discerning truth from falsehood. It has no innate defense against utilization of its hardware to play any introduced software program without prior approval, discernment, or options of one's own will. Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware this indicates a degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of Reality by substitution of perception, distortion and the misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great interest is that every single action, feeling, or thought registers permanently beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual field of consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought, feeling or action is forever identifiable. The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose patterns leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's own life. Out of the patterning of the vibrational track arises

the forms inherent in Karmic consequences of acts of one's own will. Naively, personal consciousness identifies the self, with the body, the ego/mind, and the emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result of Karmic "merit", the spiritual truth is heard and becomes inspirational. There is no such thing as "death". Existence is like a recycling of the Spirit Self from one incarnation to another. The Spirit leaves the body even though the "flesh" is still "alive". For instance, at the split second before an impact of a car accident which is destined to cause physical expiration the Spirit leaves the body. There is no pain, it is all an illusion. The physicality is just a vehicle for the Spirit to conduct its business of transcending levels of consciousness. The body is disposable, it was not meant for anyone to identify with it nor to fear "loosing" it for it was never theirs in the first place. In the same way

we look at the moon from afar we don't call it "My moon" we should look at our physicality and call it "the body" not "my body". If you owned it you would take it with you, you "own" your Spirit and it is what "you" only take with you.Love is a state of being. love is not an emotion. To want something out of love means the love is an attachment. To love someone, truly love someone it has to be unconditional, when we want something because of love then it is conditional love. To love someone because what the person looks like, acts like, owns, knows about, or how the person performs sxually is not love it is a wanting, it is without a doubt an attachment. When a person is in a state of love there is no attachments, it is shared with no expectations of receiving, getting, obtaining, or performance. When the receiving, getting, obtaining or performance fall short of the expectations of the "love" that the person thought was felt it

looses its grip and most likely the relationship ends. It is all ego based.The majority of experiences of being "in-love" represents the condition that the ego/self is experiencing. The ego/self is being felt good, validated, complimented, paid attention to or gifted to. The ego/self feels incredible wanting to continue feeling this condition, its the juice for the ego/self. Love in this level is a condition of being and not a state of being. Once the juice of the emotional attachment and the reality of what the recipient is really experiencing becomes clear that's when love becomes a chaotic emotionality, and that emotionality turns from a feel good emotion to a not so feel good emotion. This is when love is labeled as an emotion, it is not the actual love that is the emotion but all the attached feelings to love. Love as an emotion is illusionary. There is no love "out there", there is no love

to find or get...love is an existing state of being, love is within not without. Love cannot be radiated. It is through your Higher Self that true love is first experienced, putting aside all physicality, sxual performances, compliments, expectations anything that has to do with the identification with the ego/self. It is in that moment when you see a person in whatever form and you are compelled to look again, and again, without lust. True love emerges from the Higher Self, I suggest everyone have a serious conversation with their own Higher Self and see if what they think they are experiencing is love or not, you might be surprised in the difference between what the ego/self thinks and what the Higher Self is actually experiencing. The Higher Self only knows Truth, the Higher Self does not know illusions. Love is nonlinear, there is no falsity in the nonlinear, only Truth. Perhaps that certain person you are so

eager to have a relationship with is not really the right match for you, or the person you are admiring because of the physicality, potentiality in sxual performance, or already expressed sxual performance might also not be the right person for you. Or, perhaps, next time you "utter" to anyone the words "I love you", stop and really look within and feel what IS within. Perhaps uttering such words is really the ego/self saying "don't leave me", "hey, I am here, don't forget me", "I am important too", "I want what you have", "I have something you need to know", endless egotistical list. The Higher Self only experiences Love in its truest form, it doesn't care how good the intended is in bed, how hot she/he looks, how much money she/he makes or what kind of car it is driven. The ego/self does care if the intended falls short in sxual performance, the attention is curtailed, the importance is diminished, the gifts stopped, the

phone calls are not as frequent, the hotness is not so hot anymore, the bank account dries up, the job gets lost, or the car crashes. Where does the ego/self go from there? Resentment. Then love gets the blame as being painful.The entire perceptual illusion that the ego claims to be reality is completely and totally the product of positionality. This is very important to unravel and understand in one's own experiential awareness. If you observe carefully you will note that at the time the mind is taking a position, that position stems from choice, training, desire, emotions, etc. The ego/mind is limited to perceptually created, linear sequential logic, abstractions, and the use of words, concepts, and symbols. The matrix of the comprehension afforded by intellection is actually an epistemological position that relies primarily on definitions. Thus, it is definition itself that is the very crux of

the impediment. Definition is an artifice, an agree upon symbolism displayed as verbal or auditory syntax so that it will have a communicable, specific and limited meaning. Language is as useful as it is precise. To define, we have to deal in abstract categories of thought. We specify class, genus, and species. Thus, verbalization and languaging result in careful, progressive, limitation from class to genus to species to particular individual. Language and concepts consist of very limited, distinct forms. Although this generality is easy to see, it is more far reaching and subtle in its effects than can easily described. At the very basis of the limitation of thinking, mind/logic is the fact, as pointed out by Korzypsk, that a symbol or a word is not the same thing as that which is denotes (e.g. the map is not the territory).A speck of dust cannot be where it is positioned without air

currents, which require a room, which requires a building, a lot, a continent, a planet, a solar system, a galaxy, a universe, and so on. All statements made by the mind is subjective. There is no linear progression of events, sequences or causations. All shines forth as it is in its expression of existence. All is self-existence and therefore not dependent on anything outside itself.The ego/mind and its emotions and feelings are strong and habitual. Thus, it takes more than just a good idea to "get spiritual" in order to transcend them. The force of instincts and negative emotions belongs to vey low levels of consciousness. When an individual has very low level of consciousness, there is the experiencing of life processes, but there is not yet conscious awareness of existence. Thus, a frog experinces frog life but it is not aware yet that it is or has existence or beingness. It could be said

that life is not valued for its own sake in low levels of consciousness, and therefore, the worth of the lives of others (including the worth of their spiritual journey) for its own sake either. It is only when the individual achieve higher levels of consciousness that true concern for the well-being, and value of the lives of others, including the worth and value of their spiritual journey really arises. In an individual with low levels of consciousness, the lifestyle is self-centered.So the question is "Would the overall consequences of intense inner spiritual focus tend to result in detachment and noninvolvement in the world?" As a general trend, that is characteristic of intense inner spiritual focus. As the ego's dominance of perception recedes, so does the appearance of the world and the mind's interpretations. Decisions are based on projected perceptions. So, the mind perceives endless illusions, including

classifications based on judgments. Those that are interpreted as "good" options are attractive to choice and agreement. Those that are interpreted as "bad' options are rejected. But really, what your interpreted perception of what is "good" option to you could be a "bad" option for me under the exact circumstances. It is all about the ego's perceptions.The pursuit of Enlightenment appears to be a very major decision with possible major impact on ordinary lifestyles. This may seem to be a source of worry or anxiety when it is first heard. In due time, resolution occurs as a consequence of recontextualization and a shift in values. What may be perceived as disruptive by the ego at a certain level of consciousness is not experienced as such at a much higher level. The Self manages the transition. Most questions about adjustments or seeming sacrifices do not take into consideration the

power of decision itself, which increases in intensity as the barriers are removed. Devotion dissolves fears, doubts, and hesitation and clarifies uncertainty. Intention also becomes ever stronger as does trust in God. Then arises the inner decision to totally abandon oneself to God.Consciousness research has revealed a great deal of helpful information. It clarifies understanding and shifts the spiritual process. It is also confirmation of spiritual reality and its progressive experiences. The essential fundamental principles for spiritual endeavor are still those that are time-honored, such as devotion, humility, fortitude, willingness to surrender to God, and faith and trust in God. These are reinforced by dedication, prayer, and the supplication and invocation of God's Grace (Kundalini) by an act of the Spiritual Will. Although critical information about the ego and the levels of

consciousness facilitates transformation, confirmation stems from the application of the fundamental spiritual principals described above. These are empowered by intention, which results in alignment and integration whereby the basic priciples become operative. Devotion is a consequence of allowance by the will. Complete and total surrender to God (as you, personally interpret God to be), can eclipse the process at any given point along the way. I like to clarify that when I say God, it is the God I interpret God to be, be it Allah, Krishna, Brahma, Christ.Naively, early spiritual seekers often expect that "becoming spiritual" will bring about a magical kind of childlike happiness by which they will be transported to a stress-free, heavenly condition of better quality and pleasure for self and others. This is certainly true if the transition is from low levels of consciousness to a higher levels of consciousness

that is full of integrity where the rate of happiness does indeed rise very rapidly. To continue to evolve requires development of courage, determination, and the alignment of priorities as a consequence of intention and, eventually, commitment. If vicissitudes along the way are understood to be normal, they will not result in dismay.George

[Guest guest]

Hey George

It seems to me you are a Hari Krishna devotee is this correct?

, George Clifford

<georgetheclifford wrote:

>

> ..

> Spirits incarnate into the Earth realm for one reason and one

reason alone...to raise their levels of consciousness. As Spirits

incarnated, humans live a life motivated by choices, activated by

experiences all the while ascending or descending in levels of

consciousness. Each incarnation presents oportunities for each and

every incarnated Spirit to raise their levels of conciousness higher

than their present level of conciousness. The higher the level of

consciousness the closer to the perfection of All that IS and the

closer to the Truth of All that IS. All the Spirits incarnated are

given the same starting point with their first incarnation, the same

chances, no one is better, or has a better shot, or given better

circumstances. The initial incarnation is the starting point, what

choices are made in such incarnation will depend on whether the

incarnated spirit will ascend to the Heavenly realm or inhabit the

realms that preclude

> incarnation. It is through subjectivety that a human experience

an illusionary existence. It is through the teachings, the

religions, and social interaction that a human is presented with

choices, these choices will either enhance or hinder the level of

conciousness of such human. As the human continues the present

existence the level of conciousness will either go up or down. The

lower the level of conciousness the bigger the karmic propensities

of such human and the likelyhood of reincarnating. As I said before,

humans incarnate with a set level of conciousness such that if the

original level of consciousness is not maintained or transcended to

a higher level the Spirit must incarnate over and over again until a

level of consciousness has been reached that will allow the Spirit

Self steadily be in an attractor field that of the Celestial Realm.

All Spirits originate from the Heaven Reams and they are given the

same oportunity to return to

> such realm. The choices are simple, live a life that is Love

based as the context of All...in such forgiveness, lovingness, and

compassion are the dominant factors. Human exercising such simple

existence will reach a level of awareness that will transcend the

need to depend so emotionally with the ego/self. As such, the

awareness will lead to a willingness to surrender the ego/self/will

to the Divine Father/God/Godhead (however you interpreted the Divine

to be). This surrendering is motivated by love and only love.

> If the condition of Love does not exist in one self it can not be

a condition that the self can experience in others. If the condition

of forgiveness does not exist in one self it can not be a condition

that the self can experience from or towards others. If compassion

for one self does not exist it can not exist towards others. In so

with the just said, love, forgive and be compassionate with your

(self) as in doing so will create an impetus in others including

your conciousness level.

> You are here, in this incarnation, to raise your level of

conciousness, you will be in your next incarnation to raise your

level of conciousness and your next incarnation will be approached

for the same reason. Incarnation after incarnation until the level

of consciousness has been reached enough to meet the minimum

allowable to enter through the Heaven's gate. There are no short

cuts, favors, pleads, special breathings, offerings, yoga movements,

pain or sufferings, diet requirements, chantings, prayers, or

Shaktipats required. God, or how ever you interpret the Divine to

be, does not place a human in a situation requiring him/her to be

prescribed to the list of ego based falsities that I have mentioned

in the previous sentence.

>

>

> It is perception, an illusion that the ego/self creates for the

mere purpose of survival, an almost animal instint survival. The

ego/self does not live in the lovingness, forgiving and

compassionate states...it threatens its survival. Therefore, one

needs to transcend the ego/self first. Simple, very very simple.

Live this existence in the eternal present...in lovingness,

forgiveness and compassion, pray to the Divine God (or your

preferred name for the Divine) for guidance, question all and seek

only the Truth. God is perfection.

> People have definite opinions about what is Karma and the question

of reincarnation is a favorite area for argument. All religions,

however, agree that the energy body, after physical death, goes on

to a fate determined by one's actions during the physical lifetime.

Therefore, the fate is determined primarily by the spiritual

decisions and actions that were made, with great importance given to

intention, responsibility and the presence of ones will.

> One's fate, obviously, will either be for the better or for the

worse, depending on the choices made by the person's " free " will. It

is more important to understand the factors that determine the fate

of the soul/energy body and its destiny after physical " death " .

One's ultimate fate is the automatic and impersonal consequence of

the choices one were presented with and the decisions made with the

choices.. One's fate after physical " death " is merely the

inevitable, consequence of one's own choice and not a reward or a

punishment meted out arbitrarily by some external figure, energy or

power. This is the absolute justice of God that guarantees absolute

fairness and impartiality. Judgment is therefore merely a semantic

invention that serves as an explanation from the presumption of the

human mind, the ego.

> One's spiritual destiny is sealed and determined by one's own hand

and its actions, each person, with absolute fairness, determines

their own fate. Thus, God's justice is indeed perfectly self

fulfilling. Mankind then needs to take responsibility for its own

fate and stop blaming God, who has been much maligned. In reality,

the Love of God, like the sun, shines equally on all.

>

> There are some who hears and then there are some who will listen.

>

> Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is

comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software

represents the programming society as well as by one's own inherited

influences. The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the

reality that the human mind is incapable of discerning truth from

falsehood. It has no innate defense against utilization of its

hardware to play any introduced software program without prior

approval, discernment, or options of one's own will.

> Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware this

indicates a degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of

Reality by substitution of perception, distortion and the

misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great

interest is that every single action, feeling, or thought registers

permanently beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual

field of consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought,

feeling or action is forever identifiable.

>

> The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose

patterns leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's

own life. Out of the patterning of the vibrational track arises the

forms inherent in Karmic consequences of acts of one's own will.

Naively, personal consciousness identifies the self, with the body,

the ego/mind, and the emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result

of Karmic " merit " , the spiritual truth is heard and becomes

inspirational.

>

>

> There is no such thing as " death " . Existence is like a recycling

of the Spirit Self from one incarnation to another. The Spirit

leaves the body even though the " flesh " is still " alive " . For

instance, at the split second before an impact of a car accident

which is destined to cause physical expiration the Spirit leaves the

body. There is no pain, it is all an illusion.

> The physicality is just a vehicle for the Spirit to conduct its

business of transcending levels of consciousness. The body is

disposable, it was not meant for anyone to identify with it nor to

fear " loosing " it for it was never theirs in the first place. In the

same way we look at the moon from afar we don't call it " My moon " we

should look at our physicality and call it " the body " not " my body " .

If you owned it you would take it with you, you " own " your Spirit

and it is what " you " only take with you.

>

>

> Love is a state of being. love is not an emotion. To want something

out of love means the love is an attachment. To love someone, truly

love someone it has to be unconditional, when we want something

because of love then it is conditional love. To love someone because

what the person looks like, acts like, owns, knows about, or how the

person performs sxually is not love it is a wanting, it is without a

doubt an attachment. When a person is in a state of love there is no

attachments, it is shared with no expectations of receiving, getting,

obtaining, or performance. When the receiving, getting, obtaining or

performance fall short of the expectations of the " love " that the

person thought was felt it looses its grip and most likely the

relationship ends. It is all ego based.

>

> The majority of experiences of being " in-love " represents the

condition that the ego/self is experiencing. The ego/self is being

felt good, validated, complimented, paid attention to or gifted to.

The ego/self feels incredible wanting to continue feeling this

condition, its the juice for the ego/self. Love in this level is a

condition of being and not a state of being. Once the juice of the

emotional attachment and the reality of what the recipient is really

experiencing becomes clear that's when love becomes a chaotic

emotionality, and that emotionality turns from a feel good emotion

to a not so feel good emotion. This is when love is labeled as an

emotion, it is not the actual love that is the emotion but all the

attached feelings to love. Love as an emotion is illusionary.

>

> There is no love " out there " , there is no love to find or

get...love is an existing state of being, love is within not

without. Love cannot be radiated. It is through your Higher Self

that true love is first experienced, putting aside all physicality,

sxual performances, compliments, expectations anything that has to

do with the identification with the ego/self. It is in that moment

when you see a person in whatever form and you are compelled to look

again, and again, without lust. True love emerges from the Higher

Self, I suggest everyone have a serious conversation with their own

Higher Self and see if what they think they are experiencing is love

or not, you might be surprised in the difference between what the

ego/self thinks and what the Higher Self is actually experiencing.

The Higher Self only knows Truth, the Higher Self does not know

illusions. Love is nonlinear, there is no falsity in the nonlinear,

only Truth. Perhaps that

> certain person you are so eager to have a relationship with is

not really the right match for you, or the person you are admiring

because of the physicality, potentiality in sxual performance, or

already expressed sxual performance might also not be the right

person for you. Or, perhaps, next time you " utter " to anyone the

words " I love you " , stop and really look within and feel what IS

within. Perhaps uttering such words is really the ego/self

saying " don't leave me " , " hey, I am here, don't forget me " , " I am

important too " , " I want what you have " , " I have something you need to

know " , endless egotistical list. The Higher Self only experiences

Love in its truest form, it doesn't care how good the intended is in

bed, how hot she/he looks, how much money she/he makes or what kind

of car it is driven. The ego/self does care if the intended falls

short in sxual performance, the attention is curtailed, the

importance is diminished, the gifts

> stopped, the phone calls are not as frequent, the hotness is not

so hot anymore, the bank account dries up, the job gets lost, or the

car crashes. Where does the ego/self go from there? Resentment.

Then love gets the blame as being painful.

>

> The entire perceptual illusion that the ego claims to be reality is

completely and totally the product of positionality. This is very

important to unravel and understand in one's own experiential

awareness. If you observe carefully you will note that at the time

the mind is taking a position, that position stems from choice,

training, desire, emotions, etc. The ego/mind is limited to

perceptually created, linear sequential logic, abstractions, and the

use of words, concepts, and symbols. The matrix of the comprehension

afforded by intellection is actually an epistemological position that

relies primarily on definitions. Thus, it is definition itself that

is the very crux of the impediment. Definition is an artifice, an

agree upon symbolism displayed as verbal or auditory syntax so that

it will have a communicable, specific and limited meaning. Language

is as useful as it is precise.

> To define, we have to deal in abstract categories of thought. We

specify class, genus, and species. Thus, verbalization and

languaging result in careful, progressive, limitation from class to

genus to species to particular individual. Language and concepts

consist of very limited, distinct forms. Although this generality is

easy to see, it is more far reaching and subtle in its effects than

can easily described. At the very basis of the limitation of

thinking, mind/logic is the fact, as pointed out by Korzypsk, that a

symbol or a word is not the same thing as that which is denotes (e.g.

the map is not the territory).

>

> A speck of dust cannot be where it is positioned without air

currents, which require a room, which requires a building, a lot, a

continent, a planet, a solar system, a galaxy, a universe, and so

on. All statements made by the mind is subjective. There is no

linear progression of events, sequences or causations. All shines

forth as it is in its expression of existence. All is self-existence

and therefore not dependent on anything outside itself.

>

> The ego/mind and its emotions and feelings are strong and

habitual. Thus, it takes more than just a good idea to " get

spiritual " in order to transcend them. The force of instincts and

negative emotions belongs to vey low levels of consciousness. When

an individual has very low level of consciousness, there is the

experiencing of life processes, but there is not yet conscious

awareness of existence. Thus, a frog experinces frog life but it is

not aware yet that it is or has existence or beingness. It could be

said that life is not valued for its own sake in low levels of

consciousness, and therefore, the worth of the lives of others

(including the worth of their spiritual journey) for its own sake

either. It is only when the individual achieve higher levels of

consciousness that true concern for the well-being, and value of the

lives of others, including the worth and value of their spiritual

journey really arises. In an individual with low levels

> of consciousness, the lifestyle is self-centered.

> So the question is " Would the overall consequences of intense inner

spiritual focus tend to result in detachment and noninvolvement in

the world? " As a general trend, that is characteristic of intense

inner spiritual focus. As the ego's dominance of perception recedes,

so does the appearance of the world and the mind's interpretations.

Decisions are based on projected perceptions. So, the mind perceives

endless illusions, including classifications based on judgments.

Those that are interpreted as " good " options are attractive to choice

and agreement. Those that are interpreted as " bad' options are

rejected. But really, what your interpreted perception of what

is " good " option to you could be a " bad " option for me under the

exact circumstances. It is all about the ego's perceptions.

>

> The pursuit of Enlightenment appears to be a very major decision

with possible major impact on ordinary lifestyles. This may seem to

be a source of worry or anxiety when it is first heard. In due time,

resolution occurs as a consequence of recontextualization and a shift

in values. What may be perceived as disruptive by the ego at a

certain level of consciousness is not experienced as such at a much

higher level. The Self manages the transition. Most questions about

adjustments or seeming sacrifices do not take into consideration the

power of decision itself, which increases in intensity as the

barriers are removed. Devotion dissolves fears, doubts, and

hesitation and clarifies uncertainty. Intention also becomes ever

stronger as does trust in God. Then arises the inner decision to

totally abandon oneself to God.

> Consciousness research has revealed a great deal of helpful

information. It clarifies understanding and shifts the spiritual

process. It is also confirmation of spiritual reality and its

progressive experiences. The essential fundamental principles for

spiritual endeavor are still those that are time-honored, such as

devotion, humility, fortitude, willingness to surrender to God, and

faith and trust in God. These are reinforced by dedication, prayer,

and the supplication and invocation of God's Grace (Kundalini) by an

act of the Spiritual Will. Although critical information about the

ego and the levels of consciousness facilitates transformation,

confirmation stems from the application of the fundamental spiritual

principals described above. These are empowered by intention, which

results in alignment and integration whereby the basic priciples

become operative. Devotion is a consequence of allowance by the

will. Complete and total surrender to

> God (as you, personally interpret God to be), can eclipse the

process at any given point along the way. I like to clarify that

when I say God, it is the God I interpret God to be, be it Allah,

Krishna, Brahma, Christ.

> Naively, early spiritual seekers often expect that " becoming

spiritual " will bring about a magical kind of childlike happiness by

which they will be transported to a stress-free, heavenly condition

of better quality and pleasure for self and others. This is

certainly true if the transition is from low levels of consciousness

to a higher levels of consciousness that is full of integrity where

the rate of happiness does indeed rise very rapidly. To continue to

evolve requires development of courage, determination, and the

alignment of priorities as a consequence of intention and,

eventually, commitment. If vicissitudes along the way are understood

to be normal, they will not result in dismay.

>

> George

>

[Guest guest]

I saw this posted on another group a few months back. Do you happen know what the source of this information is?

Sarita

, George Clifford <georgetheclifford wrote:>> ..> Spirits incarnate into the Earth realm for one reason and one reason alone...to raise their levels of consciousness. As Spirits incarnated, humans live a life motivated by choices, activated by experiences all the while ascending or descending in levels of consciousness. Each incarnation presents oportunities for each and every incarnated Spirit to raise their levels of conciousness higher than their present level of conciousness. The higher the level of consciousness the closer to the perfection of All that IS and the closer to the Truth of All that IS. All the Spirits incarnated are given the same starting point with their first incarnation, the same chances, no one is better, or has a better shot, or given better circumstances. The initial incarnation is the starting point, what choices are made in such incarnation will depend on whether the incarnated spirit will ascend to the Heavenly realm or inhabit the realms that preclude> incarnation. It is through subjectivety that a human experience an illusionary existence. It is through the teachings, the religions, and social interaction that a human is presented with choices, these choices will either enhance or hinder the level of conciousness of such human. As the human continues the present existence the level of conciousness will either go up or down. The lower the level of conciousness the bigger the karmic propensities of such human and the likelyhood of reincarnating. As I said before, humans incarnate with a set level of conciousness such that if the original level of consciousness is not maintained or transcended to a higher level the Spirit must incarnate over and over again until a level of consciousness has been reached that will allow the Spirit Self steadily be in an attractor field that of the Celestial Realm. All Spirits originate from the Heaven Reams and they are given the same oportunity to return to> such realm. The choices are simple, live a life that is Love based as the context of All...in such forgiveness, lovingness, and compassion are the dominant factors. Human exercising such simple existence will reach a level of awareness that will transcend the need to depend so emotionally with the ego/self. As such, the awareness will lead to a willingness to surrender the ego/self/will to the Divine Father/God/Godhead (however you interpreted the Divine to be). This surrendering is motivated by love and only love. > If the condition of Love does not exist in one self it can not be a condition that the self can experience in others. If the condition of forgiveness does not exist in one self it can not be a condition that the self can experience from or towards others. If compassion for one self does not exist it can not exist towards others. In so with the just said, love, forgive and be compassionate with your(self) as in doing so will create an impetus in others including your conciousness level. > You are here, in this incarnation, to raise your level of conciousness, you will be in your next incarnation to raise your level of conciousness and your next incarnation will be approached for the same reason. Incarnation after incarnation until the level of consciousness has been reached enough to meet the minimum allowable to enter through the Heaven's gate. There are no short cuts, favors, pleads, special breathings, offerings, yoga movements, pain or sufferings, diet requirements, chantings, prayers, or Shaktipats required. God, or how ever you interpret the Divine to be, does not place a human in a situation requiring him/her to be prescribed to the list of ego based falsities that I have mentioned in the previous sentence.> > > It is perception, an illusion that the ego/self creates for the mere purpose of survival, an almost animal instint survival. The ego/self does not live in the lovingness, forgiving and compassionate states...it threatens its survival. Therefore, one needs to transcend the ego/self first. Simple, very very simple. Live this existence in the eternal present...in lovingness, forgiveness and compassion, pray to the Divine God (or your preferred name for the Divine) for guidance, question all and seek only the Truth. God is perfection.> People have definite opinions about what is Karma and the question of reincarnation is a favorite area for argument. All religions, however, agree that the energy body, after physical death, goes on to a fate determined by one's actions during the physical lifetime. Therefore, the fate is determined primarily by the spiritual decisions and actions that were made, with great importance given to intention, responsibility and the presence of ones will. > One's fate, obviously, will either be for the better or for the worse, depending on the choices made by the person's "free" will. It is more important to understand the factors that determine the fate of the soul/energy body and its destiny after physical "death". One's ultimate fate is the automatic and impersonal consequence of the choices one were presented with and the decisions made with the choices.. One's fate after physical "death" is merely the inevitable, consequence of one's own choice and not a reward or a punishment meted out arbitrarily by some external figure, energy or power. This is the absolute justice of God that guarantees absolute fairness and impartiality. Judgment is therefore merely a semantic invention that serves as an explanation from the presumption of the human mind, the ego. > One's spiritual destiny is sealed and determined by one's own hand and its actions, each person, with absolute fairness, determines their own fate. Thus, God's justice is indeed perfectly self fulfilling. Mankind then needs to take responsibility for its own fate and stop blaming God, who has been much maligned. In reality, the Love of God, like the sun, shines equally on all. > > There are some who hears and then there are some who will listen. > > Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software represents the programming society as well as by one's own inherited influences. The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the reality that the human mind is incapable of discerning truth from falsehood. It has no innate defense against utilization of its hardware to play any introduced software program without prior approval, discernment, or options of one's own will. > Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware this indicates a degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of Reality by substitution of perception, distortion and the misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great interest is that every single action, feeling, or thought registers permanently beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual field of consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought, feeling or action is forever identifiable. > > The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose patterns leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's own life. Out of the patterning of the vibrational track arises the forms inherent in Karmic consequences of acts of one's own will. Naively, personal consciousness identifies the self, with the body, the ego/mind, and the emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result of Karmic "merit", the spiritual truth is heard and becomes inspirational. > > > There is no such thing as "death". Existence is like a recycling of the Spirit Self from one incarnation to another. The Spirit leaves the body even though the "flesh" is still "alive". For instance, at the split second before an impact of a car accident which is destined to cause physical expiration the Spirit leaves the body. There is no pain, it is all an illusion. > The physicality is just a vehicle for the Spirit to conduct its business of transcending levels of consciousness. The body is disposable, it was not meant for anyone to identify with it nor to fear "loosing" it for it was never theirs in the first place. In the same way we look at the moon from afar we don't call it "My moon" we should look at our physicality and call it "the body" not "my body". If you owned it you would take it with you, you "own" your Spirit and it is what "you" only take with you.> > > Love is a state of being. love is not an emotion. To want something out of love means the love is an attachment. To love someone, truly love someone it has to be unconditional, when we want something because of love then it is conditional love. To love someone because what the person looks like, acts like, owns, knows about, or how the person performs sxually is not love it is a wanting, it is without a doubt an attachment. When a person is in a state of love there is no attachments, it is shared with no expectations of receiving, getting, obtaining, or performance. When the receiving, getting, obtaining or performance fall short of the expectations of the "love" that the person thought was felt it looses its grip and most likely the relationship ends. It is all ego based.> > The majority of experiences of being "in-love" represents the condition that the ego/self is experiencing. The ego/self is being felt good, validated, complimented, paid attention to or gifted to. The ego/self feels incredible wanting to continue feeling this condition, its the juice for the ego/self. Love in this level is a condition of being and not a state of being. Once the juice of the emotional attachment and the reality of what the recipient is really experiencing becomes clear that's when love becomes a chaotic emotionality, and that emotionality turns from a feel good emotion to a not so feel good emotion. This is when love is labeled as an emotion, it is not the actual love that is the emotion but all the attached feelings to love. Love as an emotion is illusionary. > > There is no love "out there", there is no love to find or get...love is an existing state of being, love is within not without. Love cannot be radiated. It is through your Higher Self that true love is first experienced, putting aside all physicality, sxual performances, compliments, expectations anything that has to do with the identification with the ego/self. It is in that moment when you see a person in whatever form and you are compelled to look again, and again, without lust. True love emerges from the Higher Self, I suggest everyone have a serious conversation with their own Higher Self and see if what they think they are experiencing is love or not, you might be surprised in the difference between what the ego/self thinks and what the Higher Self is actually experiencing. The Higher Self only knows Truth, the Higher Self does not know illusions. Love is nonlinear, there is no falsity in the nonlinear, only Truth. Perhaps that> certain person you are so eager to have a relationship with is not really the right match for you, or the person you are admiring because of the physicality, potentiality in sxual performance, or already expressed sxual performance might also not be the right person for you. Or, perhaps, next time you "utter" to anyone the words "I love you", stop and really look within and feel what IS within. Perhaps uttering such words is really the ego/self saying "don't leave me", "hey, I am here, don't forget me", "I am important too", "I want what you have", "I have something you need to know", endless egotistical list. The Higher Self only experiences Love in its truest form, it doesn't care how good the intended is in bed, how hot she/he looks, how much money she/he makes or what kind of car it is driven. The ego/self does care if the intended falls short in sxual performance, the attention is curtailed, the importance is diminished, the gifts> stopped, the phone calls are not as frequent, the hotness is not so hot anymore, the bank account dries up, the job gets lost, or the car crashes. Where does the ego/self go from there? Resentment. Then love gets the blame as being painful.> > The entire perceptual illusion that the ego claims to be reality is completely and totally the product of positionality. This is very important to unravel and understand in one's own experiential awareness. If you observe carefully you will note that at the time the mind is taking a position, that position stems from choice, training, desire, emotions, etc. The ego/mind is limited to perceptually created, linear sequential logic, abstractions, and the use of words, concepts, and symbols. The matrix of the comprehension afforded by intellection is actually an epistemological position that relies primarily on definitions. Thus, it is definition itself that is the very crux of the impediment. Definition is an artifice, an agree upon symbolism displayed as verbal or auditory syntax so that it will have a communicable, specific and limited meaning. Language is as useful as it is precise. > To define, we have to deal in abstract categories of thought. We specify class, genus, and species. Thus, verbalization and languaging result in careful, progressive, limitation from class to genus to species to particular individual. Language and concepts consist of very limited, distinct forms. Although this generality is easy to see, it is more far reaching and subtle in its effects than can easily described. At the very basis of the limitation of thinking, mind/logic is the fact, as pointed out by Korzypsk, that a symbol or a word is not the same thing as that which is denotes (e.g. the map is not the territory).> > A speck of dust cannot be where it is positioned without air currents, which require a room, which requires a building, a lot, a continent, a planet, a solar system, a galaxy, a universe, and so on. All statements made by the mind is subjective. There is no linear progression of events, sequences or causations. All shines forth as it is in its expression of existence. All is self-existence and therefore not dependent on anything outside itself.> > The ego/mind and its emotions and feelings are strong and habitual. Thus, it takes more than just a good idea to "get spiritual" in order to transcend them. The force of instincts and negative emotions belongs to vey low levels of consciousness. When an individual has very low level of consciousness, there is the experiencing of life processes, but there is not yet conscious awareness of existence. Thus, a frog experinces frog life but it is not aware yet that it is or has existence or beingness. It could be said that life is not valued for its own sake in low levels of consciousness, and therefore, the worth of the lives of others (including the worth of their spiritual journey) for its own sake either. It is only when the individual achieve higher levels of consciousness that true concern for the well-being, and value of the lives of others, including the worth and value of their spiritual journey really arises. In an individual with low levels> of consciousness, the lifestyle is self-centered.> So the question is "Would the overall consequences of intense inner spiritual focus tend to result in detachment and noninvolvement in the world?" As a general trend, that is characteristic of intense inner spiritual focus. As the ego's dominance of perception recedes, so does the appearance of the world and the mind's interpretations. Decisions are based on projected perceptions. So, the mind perceives endless illusions, including classifications based on judgments. Those that are interpreted as "good" options are attractive to choice and agreement. Those that are interpreted as "bad' options are rejected. But really, what your interpreted perception of what is "good" option to you could be a "bad" option for me under the exact circumstances. It is all about the ego's perceptions.> > The pursuit of Enlightenment appears to be a very major decision with possible major impact on ordinary lifestyles. This may seem to be a source of worry or anxiety when it is first heard. In due time, resolution occurs as a consequence of recontextualization and a shift in values. What may be perceived as disruptive by the ego at a certain level of consciousness is not experienced as such at a much higher level. The Self manages the transition. Most questions about adjustments or seeming sacrifices do not take into consideration the power of decision itself, which increases in intensity as the barriers are removed. Devotion dissolves fears, doubts, and hesitation and clarifies uncertainty. Intention also becomes ever stronger as does trust in God. Then arises the inner decision to totally abandon oneself to God.> Consciousness research has revealed a great deal of helpful information. It clarifies understanding and shifts the spiritual process. It is also confirmation of spiritual reality and its progressive experiences. The essential fundamental principles for spiritual endeavor are still those that are time-honored, such as devotion, humility, fortitude, willingness to surrender to God, and faith and trust in God. These are reinforced by dedication, prayer, and the supplication and invocation of God's Grace (Kundalini) by an act of the Spiritual Will. Although critical information about the ego and the levels of consciousness facilitates transformation, confirmation stems from the application of the fundamental spiritual principals described above. These are empowered by intention, which results in alignment and integration whereby the basic priciples become operative. Devotion is a consequence of allowance by the will. Complete and total surrender to> God (as you, personally interpret God to be), can eclipse the process at any given point along the way. I like to clarify that when I say God, it is the God I interpret God to be, be it Allah, Krishna, Brahma, Christ.> Naively, early spiritual seekers often expect that "becoming spiritual" will bring about a magical kind of childlike happiness by which they will be transported to a stress-free, heavenly condition of better quality and pleasure for self and others. This is certainly true if the transition is from low levels of consciousness to a higher levels of consciousness that is full of integrity where the rate of happiness does indeed rise very rapidly. To continue to evolve requires development of courage, determination, and the alignment of priorities as a consequence of intention and, eventually, commitment. If vicissitudes along the way are understood to be normal, they will not result in dismay.> > George>

[Guest guest]

No Sarita, though the forcefulness behind it gives me certain

impressions. Let us see if George answers my question.

John

, " Sarita "

<sarita1969 wrote:

>

>

> I saw this posted on another group a few months back. Do you happen

> know what the source of this information is?

>

> Sarita

>

>

> , George

Clifford

> <georgetheclifford@> wrote:

> >

> > ..

> > Spirits incarnate into the Earth realm for one reason and one

reason

> alone...to raise their levels of consciousness. As Spirits

incarnated,

> humans live a life motivated by choices, activated by experiences

all

> the while ascending or descending in levels of consciousness. Each

> incarnation presents oportunities for each and every incarnated

Spirit

> to raise their levels of conciousness higher than their present

level of

> conciousness. The higher the level of consciousness the closer to

the

> perfection of All that IS and the closer to the Truth of All that

IS.

> All the Spirits incarnated are given the same starting point with

their

> first incarnation, the same chances, no one is better, or has a

better

> shot, or given better circumstances. The initial incarnation is the

> starting point, what choices are made in such incarnation will

depend on

> whether the incarnated spirit will ascend to the Heavenly realm or

> inhabit the realms that preclude

> > incarnation. It is through subjectivety that a human experience an

> illusionary existence. It is through the teachings, the religions,

and

> social interaction that a human is presented with choices, these

choices

> will either enhance or hinder the level of conciousness of such

human.

> As the human continues the present existence the level of

conciousness

> will either go up or down. The lower the level of conciousness the

> bigger the karmic propensities of such human and the likelyhood of

> reincarnating. As I said before, humans incarnate with a set level

of

> conciousness such that if the original level of consciousness is not

> maintained or transcended to a higher level the Spirit must

incarnate

> over and over again until a level of consciousness has been reached

that

> will allow the Spirit Self steadily be in an attractor field that

of the

> Celestial Realm. All Spirits originate from the Heaven Reams and

they

> are given the same oportunity to return to

> > such realm. The choices are simple, live a life that is Love

based as

> the context of All...in such forgiveness, lovingness, and

compassion are

> the dominant factors. Human exercising such simple existence will

reach

> a level of awareness that will transcend the need to depend so

> emotionally with the ego/self. As such, the awareness will lead to a

> willingness to surrender the ego/self/will to the Divine

> Father/God/Godhead (however you interpreted the Divine to be). This

> surrendering is motivated by love and only love.

> > If the condition of Love does not exist in one self it can not be

a

> condition that the self can experience in others. If the condition

of

> forgiveness does not exist in one self it can not be a condition

that

> the self can experience from or towards others. If compassion for

one

> self does not exist it can not exist towards others. In so with the

just

> said, love, forgive and be compassionate with your(self) as in

doing so

> will create an impetus in others including your conciousness level.

> > You are here, in this incarnation, to raise your level of

> conciousness, you will be in your next incarnation to raise your

level

> of conciousness and your next incarnation will be approached for the

> same reason. Incarnation after incarnation until the level of

> consciousness has been reached enough to meet the minimum allowable

to

> enter through the Heaven's gate. There are no short cuts, favors,

> pleads, special breathings, offerings, yoga movements, pain or

> sufferings, diet requirements, chantings, prayers, or Shaktipats

> required. God, or how ever you interpret the Divine to be, does not

> place a human in a situation requiring him/her to be prescribed to

the

> list of ego based falsities that I have mentioned in the previous

> sentence.

> >

> >

> > It is perception, an illusion that the ego/self creates for the

mere

> purpose of survival, an almost animal instint survival. The ego/self

> does not live in the lovingness, forgiving and compassionate

states...it

> threatens its survival. Therefore, one needs to transcend the

ego/self

> first. Simple, very very simple. Live this existence in the eternal

> present...in lovingness, forgiveness and compassion, pray to the

Divine

> God (or your preferred name for the Divine) for guidance, question

all

> and seek only the Truth. God is perfection.

> > People have definite opinions about what is Karma and the

question of

> reincarnation is a favorite area for argument. All religions,

however,

> agree that the energy body, after physical death, goes on to a fate

> determined by one's actions during the physical lifetime.

Therefore, the

> fate is determined primarily by the spiritual decisions and actions

that

> were made, with great importance given to intention, responsibility

and

> the presence of ones will.

> > One's fate, obviously, will either be for the better or for the

worse,

> depending on the choices made by the person's " free " will. It is

more

> important to understand the factors that determine the fate of the

> soul/energy body and its destiny after physical " death " . One's

ultimate

> fate is the automatic and impersonal consequence of the choices one

were

> presented with and the decisions made with the choices.. One's fate

> after physical " death " is merely the inevitable, consequence of

one's

> own choice and not a reward or a punishment meted out arbitrarily by

> some external figure, energy or power. This is the absolute justice

of

> God that guarantees absolute fairness and impartiality. Judgment is

> therefore merely a semantic invention that serves as an explanation

from

> the presumption of the human mind, the ego.

> > One's spiritual destiny is sealed and determined by one's own

hand and

> its actions, each person, with absolute fairness, determines their

own

> fate. Thus, God's justice is indeed perfectly self fulfilling.

Mankind

> then needs to take responsibility for its own fate and stop blaming

God,

> who has been much maligned. In reality, the Love of God, like the

sun,

> shines equally on all.

> >

> > There are some who hears and then there are some who will listen.

> >

> > Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is

> comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software

represents

> the programming society as well as by one's own inherited

influences.

> The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the reality that

the

> human mind is incapable of discerning truth from falsehood. It has

no

> innate defense against utilization of its hardware to play any

> introduced software program without prior approval, discernment, or

> options of one's own will.

> > Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware this

> indicates a degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of

> Reality by substitution of perception, distortion and the

> misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great

interest is

> that every single action, feeling, or thought registers permanently

> beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual field of

> consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought, feeling or

action

> is forever identifiable.

> >

> > The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose

patterns

> leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's own

life. Out

> of the patterning of the vibrational track arises the forms

inherent in

> Karmic consequences of acts of one's own will. Naively, personal

> consciousness identifies the self, with the body, the ego/mind, and

the

> emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result of Karmic " merit " ,

the

> spiritual truth is heard and becomes inspirational.

> >

> >

> > There is no such thing as " death " . Existence is like a recycling

of

> the Spirit Self from one incarnation to another. The Spirit leaves

the

> body even though the " flesh " is still " alive " . For instance, at the

> split second before an impact of a car accident which is destined to

> cause physical expiration the Spirit leaves the body. There is no

pain,

> it is all an illusion.

> > The physicality is just a vehicle for the Spirit to conduct its

> business of transcending levels of consciousness. The body is

> disposable, it was not meant for anyone to identify with it nor to

fear

> " loosing " it for it was never theirs in the first place. In the

same way

> we look at the moon from afar we don't call it " My moon " we should

look

> at our physicality and call it " the body " not " my body " . If you

owned it

> you would take it with you, you " own " your Spirit and it is

what " you "

> only take with you.

> >

> >

> > Love is a state of being. love is not an emotion. To want

something

> out of love means the love is an attachment. To love someone, truly

love

> someone it has to be unconditional, when we want something because

of

> love then it is conditional love. To love someone because what the

> person looks like, acts like, owns, knows about, or how the person

> performs sxually is not love it is a wanting, it is without a doubt

an

> attachment. When a person is in a state of love there is no

attachments,

> it is shared with no expectations of receiving, getting, obtaining,

or

> performance. When the receiving, getting, obtaining or performance

fall

> short of the expectations of the " love " that the person thought was

felt

> it looses its grip and most likely the relationship ends. It is all

ego

> based.

> >

> > The majority of experiences of being " in-love " represents the

> condition that the ego/self is experiencing. The ego/self is being

felt

> good, validated, complimented, paid attention to or gifted to. The

> ego/self feels incredible wanting to continue feeling this

condition,

> its the juice for the ego/self. Love in this level is a condition of

> being and not a state of being. Once the juice of the emotional

> attachment and the reality of what the recipient is really

experiencing

> becomes clear that's when love becomes a chaotic emotionality, and

that

> emotionality turns from a feel good emotion to a not so feel good

> emotion. This is when love is labeled as an emotion, it is not the

> actual love that is the emotion but all the attached feelings to

love.

> Love as an emotion is illusionary.

> >

> > There is no love " out there " , there is no love to find or

get...love

> is an existing state of being, love is within not without. Love

cannot

> be radiated. It is through your Higher Self that true love is first

> experienced, putting aside all physicality, sxual performances,

> compliments, expectations anything that has to do with the

> identification with the ego/self. It is in that moment when you see

a

> person in whatever form and you are compelled to look again, and

again,

> without lust. True love emerges from the Higher Self, I suggest

everyone

> have a serious conversation with their own Higher Self and see if

what

> they think they are experiencing is love or not, you might be

surprised

> in the difference between what the ego/self thinks and what the

Higher

> Self is actually experiencing. The Higher Self only knows Truth, the

> Higher Self does not know illusions. Love is nonlinear, there is no

> falsity in the nonlinear, only Truth. Perhaps that

> > certain person you are so eager to have a relationship with is not

> really the right match for you, or the person you are admiring

because

> of the physicality, potentiality in sxual performance, or already

> expressed sxual performance might also not be the right person for

you.

> Or, perhaps, next time you " utter " to anyone the words " I love you " ,

> stop and really look within and feel what IS within. Perhaps

uttering

> such words is really the ego/self saying " don't leave me " , " hey, I

am

> here, don't forget me " , " I am important too " , " I want what you

have " , " I

> have something you need to know " , endless egotistical list. The

Higher

> Self only experiences Love in its truest form, it doesn't care how

good

> the intended is in bed, how hot she/he looks, how much money she/he

> makes or what kind of car it is driven. The ego/self does care if

the

> intended falls short in sxual performance, the attention is

curtailed,

> the importance is diminished, the gifts

> > stopped, the phone calls are not as frequent, the hotness is not

so

> hot anymore, the bank account dries up, the job gets lost, or the

car

> crashes. Where does the ego/self go from there? Resentment. Then

love

> gets the blame as being painful.

> >

> > The entire perceptual illusion that the ego claims to be reality

is

> completely and totally the product of positionality. This is very

> important to unravel and understand in one's own experiential

awareness.

> If you observe carefully you will note that at the time the mind is

> taking a position, that position stems from choice, training,

desire,

> emotions, etc. The ego/mind is limited to perceptually created,

linear

> sequential logic, abstractions, and the use of words, concepts, and

> symbols. The matrix of the comprehension afforded by intellection is

> actually an epistemological position that relies primarily on

> definitions. Thus, it is definition itself that is the very crux of

the

> impediment. Definition is an artifice, an agree upon symbolism

displayed

> as verbal or auditory syntax so that it will have a communicable,

> specific and limited meaning. Language is as useful as it is

precise.

> > To define, we have to deal in abstract categories of thought. We

> specify class, genus, and species. Thus, verbalization and

languaging

> result in careful, progressive, limitation from class to genus to

> species to particular individual. Language and concepts consist of

very

> limited, distinct forms. Although this generality is easy to see,

it is

> more far reaching and subtle in its effects than can easily

described.

> At the very basis of the limitation of thinking, mind/logic is the

fact,

> as pointed out by Korzypsk, that a symbol or a word is not the same

> thing as that which is denotes (e.g. the map is not the territory).

> >

> > A speck of dust cannot be where it is positioned without air

currents,

> which require a room, which requires a building, a lot, a

continent, a

> planet, a solar system, a galaxy, a universe, and so on. All

statements

> made by the mind is subjective. There is no linear progression of

> events, sequences or causations. All shines forth as it is in its

> expression of existence. All is self-existence and therefore not

> dependent on anything outside itself.

> >

> > The ego/mind and its emotions and feelings are strong and

habitual.

> Thus, it takes more than just a good idea to " get spiritual " in

order to

> transcend them. The force of instincts and negative emotions

belongs to

> vey low levels of consciousness. When an individual has very low

level

> of consciousness, there is the experiencing of life processes, but

there

> is not yet conscious awareness of existence. Thus, a frog experinces

> frog life but it is not aware yet that it is or has existence or

> beingness. It could be said that life is not valued for its own

sake in

> low levels of consciousness, and therefore, the worth of the lives

of

> others (including the worth of their spiritual journey) for its own

sake

> either. It is only when the individual achieve higher levels of

> consciousness that true concern for the well-being, and value of the

> lives of others, including the worth and value of their spiritual

> journey really arises. In an individual with low levels

> > of consciousness, the lifestyle is self-centered.

> > So the question is " Would the overall consequences of intense

inner

> spiritual focus tend to result in detachment and noninvolvement in

the

> world? " As a general trend, that is characteristic of intense inner

> spiritual focus. As the ego's dominance of perception recedes, so

does

> the appearance of the world and the mind's interpretations.

Decisions

> are based on projected perceptions. So, the mind perceives endless

> illusions, including classifications based on judgments. Those that

are

> interpreted as " good " options are attractive to choice and

agreement.

> Those that are interpreted as " bad' options are rejected. But

really,

> what your interpreted perception of what is " good " option to you

could

> be a " bad " option for me under the exact circumstances. It is all

about

> the ego's perceptions.

> >

> > The pursuit of Enlightenment appears to be a very major decision

with

> possible major impact on ordinary lifestyles. This may seem to be a

> source of worry or anxiety when it is first heard. In due time,

> resolution occurs as a consequence of recontextualization and a

shift in

> values. What may be perceived as disruptive by the ego at a certain

> level of consciousness is not experienced as such at a much higher

> level. The Self manages the transition. Most questions about

adjustments

> or seeming sacrifices do not take into consideration the power of

> decision itself, which increases in intensity as the barriers are

> removed. Devotion dissolves fears, doubts, and hesitation and

clarifies

> uncertainty. Intention also becomes ever stronger as does trust in

God.

> Then arises the inner decision to totally abandon oneself to God.

> > Consciousness research has revealed a great deal of helpful

> information. It clarifies understanding and shifts the spiritual

> process. It is also confirmation of spiritual reality and its

> progressive experiences. The essential fundamental principles for

> spiritual endeavor are still those that are time-honored, such as

> devotion, humility, fortitude, willingness to surrender to God, and

> faith and trust in God. These are reinforced by dedication, prayer,

and

> the supplication and invocation of God's Grace (Kundalini) by an

act of

> the Spiritual Will. Although critical information about the ego and

the

> levels of consciousness facilitates transformation, confirmation

stems

> from the application of the fundamental spiritual principals

described

> above. These are empowered by intention, which results in alignment

and

> integration whereby the basic priciples become operative. Devotion

is a

> consequence of allowance by the will. Complete and total surrender

to

> > God (as you, personally interpret God to be), can eclipse the

process

> at any given point along the way. I like to clarify that when I say

God,

> it is the God I interpret God to be, be it Allah, Krishna, Brahma,

> Christ.

> > Naively, early spiritual seekers often expect that " becoming

> spiritual " will bring about a magical kind of childlike happiness by

> which they will be transported to a stress-free, heavenly condition

of

> better quality and pleasure for self and others. This is certainly

true

> if the transition is from low levels of consciousness to a higher

levels

> of consciousness that is full of integrity where the rate of

happiness

> does indeed rise very rapidly. To continue to evolve requires

> development of courage, determination, and the alignment of

priorities

> as a consequence of intention and, eventually, commitment. If

> vicissitudes along the way are understood to be normal, they will

not

> result in dismay.

> >

> > George

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, me, I wrote it under my pet name "Forgiveness"Sarita <sarita1969 Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:25:17 PM Re: The Obstacles of the Ego

 

I saw this posted on another group a few months back. Do you happen know what the source of this information is?

Sarita

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , George Clifford <georgetheclifford@ ...> wrote:>> ..> Spirits incarnate into the Earth realm for one reason and one reason alone...to raise their levels of consciousness. As Spirits incarnated, humans live a life motivated by choices, activated by experiences all the while ascending or descending in levels of consciousness. Each incarnation presents oportunities for each and every incarnated Spirit to raise their levels of conciousness higher than their present level of conciousness. The higher the level of consciousness the closer to the perfection of All that IS and the closer to the Truth of All that IS. All the Spirits incarnated are given the same starting point with their first incarnation, the same chances, no one is better, or has a better shot, or given better circumstances. The initial incarnation is the starting point, what choices are made in such

incarnation will depend on whether the incarnated spirit will ascend to the Heavenly realm or inhabit the realms that preclude> incarnation. It is through subjectivety that a human experience an illusionary existence. It is through the teachings, the religions, and social interaction that a human is presented with choices, these choices will either enhance or hinder the level of conciousness of such human. As the human continues the present existence the level of conciousness will either go up or down. The lower the level of conciousness the bigger the karmic propensities of such human and the likelyhood of reincarnating. As I said before, humans incarnate with a set level of conciousness such that if the original level of consciousness is not maintained or transcended to a higher level the Spirit must incarnate over and over again until a level of consciousness has been reached that will allow the Spirit Self steadily be in an attractor field

that of the Celestial Realm. All Spirits originate from the Heaven Reams and they are given the same oportunity to return to> such realm. The choices are simple, live a life that is Love based as the context of All...in such forgiveness, lovingness, and compassion are the dominant factors. Human exercising such simple existence will reach a level of awareness that will transcend the need to depend so emotionally with the ego/self. As such, the awareness will lead to a willingness to surrender the ego/self/will to the Divine Father/God/Godhead (however you interpreted the Divine to be). This surrendering is motivated by love and only love. > If the condition of Love does not exist in one self it can not be a condition that the self can experience in others. If the condition of forgiveness does not exist in one self it can not be a condition that the self can experience from or towards others. If compassion for one self does not exist it can

not exist towards others. In so with the just said, love, forgive and be compassionate with your(self) as in doing so will create an impetus in others including your conciousness level. > You are here, in this incarnation, to raise your level of conciousness, you will be in your next incarnation to raise your level of conciousness and your next incarnation will be approached for the same reason. Incarnation after incarnation until the level of consciousness has been reached enough to meet the minimum allowable to enter through the Heaven's gate. There are no short cuts, favors, pleads, special breathings, offerings, yoga movements, pain or sufferings, diet requirements, chantings, prayers, or Shaktipats required. God, or how ever you interpret the Divine to be, does not place a human in a situation requiring him/her to be prescribed to the list of ego based falsities that I have mentioned in the previous sentence.> > > It is

perception, an illusion that the ego/self creates for the mere purpose of survival, an almost animal instint survival. The ego/self does not live in the lovingness, forgiving and compassionate states...it threatens its survival. Therefore, one needs to transcend the ego/self first. Simple, very very simple. Live this existence in the eternal present...in lovingness, forgiveness and compassion, pray to the Divine God (or your preferred name for the Divine) for guidance, question all and seek only the Truth. God is perfection.> People have definite opinions about what is Karma and the question of reincarnation is a favorite area for argument. All religions, however, agree that the energy body, after physical death, goes on to a fate determined by one's actions during the physical lifetime. Therefore, the fate is determined primarily by the spiritual decisions and actions that were made, with great importance given to intention, responsibility and

the presence of ones will. > One's fate, obviously, will either be for the better or for the worse, depending on the choices made by the person's "free" will. It is more important to understand the factors that determine the fate of the soul/energy body and its destiny after physical "death". One's ultimate fate is the automatic and impersonal consequence of the choices one were presented with and the decisions made with the choices.. One's fate after physical "death" is merely the inevitable, consequence of one's own choice and not a reward or a punishment meted out arbitrarily by some external figure, energy or power. This is the absolute justice of God that guarantees absolute fairness and impartiality. Judgment is therefore merely a semantic invention that serves as an explanation from the presumption of the human mind, the ego. > One's spiritual destiny is sealed and determined by one's own hand and its actions, each person, with

absolute fairness, determines their own fate. Thus, God's justice is indeed perfectly self fulfilling. Mankind then needs to take responsibility for its own fate and stop blaming God, who has been much maligned. In reality, the Love of God, like the sun, shines equally on all. > > There are some who hears and then there are some who will listen. > > Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software represents the programming society as well as by one's own inherited influences. The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the reality that the human mind is incapable of discerning truth from falsehood. It has no innate defense against utilization of its hardware to play any introduced software program without prior approval, discernment, or options of one's own will. > Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware this indicates a

degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of Reality by substitution of perception, distortion and the misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great interest is that every single action, feeling, or thought registers permanently beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual field of consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought, feeling or action is forever identifiable. > > The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose patterns leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's own life. Out of the patterning of the vibrational track arises the forms inherent in Karmic consequences of acts of one's own will. Naively, personal consciousness identifies the self, with the body, the ego/mind, and the emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result of Karmic "merit", the spiritual truth is heard and becomes inspirational. > > > There is no such thing as

"death". Existence is like a recycling of the Spirit Self from one incarnation to another. The Spirit leaves the body even though the "flesh" is still "alive". For instance, at the split second before an impact of a car accident which is destined to cause physical expiration the Spirit leaves the body. There is no pain, it is all an illusion. > The physicality is just a vehicle for the Spirit to conduct its business of transcending levels of consciousness. The body is disposable, it was not meant for anyone to identify with it nor to fear "loosing" it for it was never theirs in the first place. In the same way we look at the moon from afar we don't call it "My moon" we should look at our physicality and call it "the body" not "my body". If you owned it you would take it with you, you "own" your Spirit and it is what "you" only take with you.> > > Love is a state of being. love is not an emotion. To want something out of love

means the love is an attachment. To love someone, truly love someone it has to be unconditional, when we want something because of love then it is conditional love. To love someone because what the person looks like, acts like, owns, knows about, or how the person performs sxually is not love it is a wanting, it is without a doubt an attachment. When a person is in a state of love there is no attachments, it is shared with no expectations of receiving, getting, obtaining, or performance. When the receiving, getting, obtaining or performance fall short of the expectations of the "love" that the person thought was felt it looses its grip and most likely the relationship ends. It is all ego based.> > The majority of experiences of being "in-love" represents the condition that the ego/self is experiencing. The ego/self is being felt good, validated, complimented, paid attention to or gifted to. The ego/self feels incredible wanting to continue

feeling this condition, its the juice for the ego/self. Love in this level is a condition of being and not a state of being. Once the juice of the emotional attachment and the reality of what the recipient is really experiencing becomes clear that's when love becomes a chaotic emotionality, and that emotionality turns from a feel good emotion to a not so feel good emotion. This is when love is labeled as an emotion, it is not the actual love that is the emotion but all the attached feelings to love. Love as an emotion is illusionary. > > There is no love "out there", there is no love to find or get...love is an existing state of being, love is within not without. Love cannot be radiated. It is through your Higher Self that true love is first experienced, putting aside all physicality, sxual performances, compliments, expectations anything that has to do with the identification with the ego/self. It is in that moment when you see a person

in whatever form and you are compelled to look again, and again, without lust. True love emerges from the Higher Self, I suggest everyone have a serious conversation with their own Higher Self and see if what they think they are experiencing is love or not, you might be surprised in the difference between what the ego/self thinks and what the Higher Self is actually experiencing. The Higher Self only knows Truth, the Higher Self does not know illusions. Love is nonlinear, there is no falsity in the nonlinear, only Truth. Perhaps that> certain person you are so eager to have a relationship with is not really the right match for you, or the person you are admiring because of the physicality, potentiality in sxual performance, or already expressed sxual performance might also not be the right person for you. Or, perhaps, next time you "utter" to anyone the words "I love you", stop and really look within and feel what IS within. Perhaps uttering such

words is really the ego/self saying "don't leave me", "hey, I am here, don't forget me", "I am important too", "I want what you have", "I have something you need to know", endless egotistical list. The Higher Self only experiences Love in its truest form, it doesn't care how good the intended is in bed, how hot she/he looks, how much money she/he makes or what kind of car it is driven. The ego/self does care if the intended falls short in sxual performance, the attention is curtailed, the importance is diminished, the gifts> stopped, the phone calls are not as frequent, the hotness is not so hot anymore, the bank account dries up, the job gets lost, or the car crashes. Where does the ego/self go from there? Resentment. Then love gets the blame as being painful.> > The entire perceptual illusion that the ego claims to be reality is completely and totally the product of positionality. This is very important to unravel and understand

in one's own experiential awareness. If you observe carefully you will note that at the time the mind is taking a position, that position stems from choice, training, desire, emotions, etc. The ego/mind is limited to perceptually created, linear sequential logic, abstractions, and the use of words, concepts, and symbols. The matrix of the comprehension afforded by intellection is actually an epistemological position that relies primarily on definitions. Thus, it is definition itself that is the very crux of the impediment. Definition is an artifice, an agree upon symbolism displayed as verbal or auditory syntax so that it will have a communicable, specific and limited meaning. Language is as useful as it is precise. > To define, we have to deal in abstract categories of thought. We specify class, genus, and species. Thus, verbalization and languaging result in careful, progressive, limitation from class to genus to species to particular

individual. Language and concepts consist of very limited, distinct forms. Although this generality is easy to see, it is more far reaching and subtle in its effects than can easily described. At the very basis of the limitation of thinking, mind/logic is the fact, as pointed out by Korzypsk, that a symbol or a word is not the same thing as that which is denotes (e.g. the map is not the territory).> > A speck of dust cannot be where it is positioned without air currents, which require a room, which requires a building, a lot, a continent, a planet, a solar system, a galaxy, a universe, and so on. All statements made by the mind is subjective. There is no linear progression of events, sequences or causations. All shines forth as it is in its expression of existence. All is self-existence and therefore not dependent on anything outside itself.> > The ego/mind and its emotions and feelings are strong and habitual. Thus, it takes

more than just a good idea to "get spiritual" in order to transcend them. The force of instincts and negative emotions belongs to vey low levels of consciousness. When an individual has very low level of consciousness, there is the experiencing of life processes, but there is not yet conscious awareness of existence. Thus, a frog experinces frog life but it is not aware yet that it is or has existence or beingness. It could be said that life is not valued for its own sake in low levels of consciousness, and therefore, the worth of the lives of others (including the worth of their spiritual journey) for its own sake either. It is only when the individual achieve higher levels of consciousness that true concern for the well-being, and value of the lives of others, including the worth and value of their spiritual journey really arises. In an individual with low levels> of consciousness, the lifestyle is self-centered.> So the question is

"Would the overall consequences of intense inner spiritual focus tend to result in detachment and noninvolvement in the world?" As a general trend, that is characteristic of intense inner spiritual focus. As the ego's dominance of perception recedes, so does the appearance of the world and the mind's interpretations. Decisions are based on projected perceptions. So, the mind perceives endless illusions, including classifications based on judgments. Those that are interpreted as "good" options are attractive to choice and agreement. Those that are interpreted as "bad' options are rejected. But really, what your interpreted perception of what is "good" option to you could be a "bad" option for me under the exact circumstances. It is all about the ego's perceptions.> > The pursuit of Enlightenment appears to be a very major decision with possible major impact on ordinary lifestyles. This may seem to be a source of worry or anxiety when it is

first heard. In due time, resolution occurs as a consequence of recontextualization and a shift in values. What may be perceived as disruptive by the ego at a certain level of consciousness is not experienced as such at a much higher level. The Self manages the transition. Most questions about adjustments or seeming sacrifices do not take into consideration the power of decision itself, which increases in intensity as the barriers are removed. Devotion dissolves fears, doubts, and hesitation and clarifies uncertainty. Intention also becomes ever stronger as does trust in God. Then arises the inner decision to totally abandon oneself to God.> Consciousness research has revealed a great deal of helpful information. It clarifies understanding and shifts the spiritual process. It is also confirmation of spiritual reality and its progressive experiences. The essential fundamental principles for spiritual endeavor are still those that are time-honored,

such as devotion, humility, fortitude, willingness to surrender to God, and faith and trust in God. These are reinforced by dedication, prayer, and the supplication and invocation of God's Grace (Kundalini) by an act of the Spiritual Will. Although critical information about the ego and the levels of consciousness facilitates transformation, confirmation stems from the application of the fundamental spiritual principals described above. These are empowered by intention, which results in alignment and integration whereby the basic priciples become operative. Devotion is a consequence of allowance by the will. Complete and total surrender to> God (as you, personally interpret God to be), can eclipse the process at any given point along the way. I like to clarify that when I say God, it is the God I interpret God to be, be it Allah, Krishna, Brahma, Christ.> Naively, early spiritual seekers often expect that "becoming spiritual" will bring

about a magical kind of childlike happiness by which they will be transported to a stress-free, heavenly condition of better quality and pleasure for self and others. This is certainly true if the transition is from low levels of consciousness to a higher levels of consciousness that is full of integrity where the rate of happiness does indeed rise very rapidly. To continue to evolve requires development of courage, determination, and the alignment of priorities as a consequence of intention and, eventually, commitment. If vicissitudes along the way are understood to be normal, they will not result in dismay.> > George>

[Guest guest]

What is your question John?Georgejohndplumber <jaganatha Sent: Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:33:00 PM Re: The Obstacles of the Ego

 

No Sarita, though the forcefulness behind it gives me certain

impressions. Let us see if George answers my question.

John

Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "Sarita"

<sarita1969@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> I saw this posted on another group a few months back. Do you happen

> know what the source of this information is?

>

> Sarita

>

>

> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , George

Clifford

> <georgetheclifford@ > wrote:

> >

> > ..

> > Spirits incarnate into the Earth realm for one reason and one

reason

> alone...to raise their levels of consciousness. As Spirits

incarnated,

> humans live a life motivated by choices, activated by experiences

all

> the while ascending or descending in levels of consciousness. Each

> incarnation presents oportunities for each and every incarnated

Spirit

> to raise their levels of conciousness higher than their present

level of

> conciousness. The higher the level of consciousness the closer to

the

> perfection of All that IS and the closer to the Truth of All that

IS.

> All the Spirits incarnated are given the same starting point with

their

> first incarnation, the same chances, no one is better, or has a

better

> shot, or given better circumstances. The initial incarnation is the

> starting point, what choices are made in such incarnation will

depend on

> whether the incarnated spirit will ascend to the Heavenly realm or

> inhabit the realms that preclude

> > incarnation. It is through subjectivety that a human experience an

> illusionary existence. It is through the teachings, the religions,

and

> social interaction that a human is presented with choices, these

choices

> will either enhance or hinder the level of conciousness of such

human.

> As the human continues the present existence the level of

conciousness

> will either go up or down. The lower the level of conciousness the

> bigger the karmic propensities of such human and the likelyhood of

> reincarnating. As I said before, humans incarnate with a set level

of

> conciousness such that if the original level of consciousness is not

> maintained or transcended to a higher level the Spirit must

incarnate

> over and over again until a level of consciousness has been reached

that

> will allow the Spirit Self steadily be in an attractor field that

of the

> Celestial Realm. All Spirits originate from the Heaven Reams and

they

> are given the same oportunity to return to

> > such realm. The choices are simple, live a life that is Love

based as

> the context of All...in such forgiveness, lovingness, and

compassion are

> the dominant factors. Human exercising such simple existence will

reach

> a level of awareness that will transcend the need to depend so

> emotionally with the ego/self. As such, the awareness will lead to a

> willingness to surrender the ego/self/will to the Divine

> Father/God/Godhead (however you interpreted the Divine to be). This

> surrendering is motivated by love and only love.

> > If the condition of Love does not exist in one self it can not be

a

> condition that the self can experience in others. If the condition

of

> forgiveness does not exist in one self it can not be a condition

that

> the self can experience from or towards others. If compassion for

one

> self does not exist it can not exist towards others. In so with the

just

> said, love, forgive and be compassionate with your(self) as in

doing so

> will create an impetus in others including your conciousness level.

> > You are here, in this incarnation, to raise your level of

> conciousness, you will be in your next incarnation to raise your

level

> of conciousness and your next incarnation will be approached for the

> same reason. Incarnation after incarnation until the level of

> consciousness has been reached enough to meet the minimum allowable

to

> enter through the Heaven's gate. There are no short cuts, favors,

> pleads, special breathings, offerings, yoga movements, pain or

> sufferings, diet requirements, chantings, prayers, or Shaktipats

> required. God, or how ever you interpret the Divine to be, does not

> place a human in a situation requiring him/her to be prescribed to

the

> list of ego based falsities that I have mentioned in the previous

> sentence.

> >

> >

> > It is perception, an illusion that the ego/self creates for the

mere

> purpose of survival, an almost animal instint survival. The ego/self

> does not live in the lovingness, forgiving and compassionate

states...it

> threatens its survival. Therefore, one needs to transcend the

ego/self

> first. Simple, very very simple. Live this existence in the eternal

> present...in lovingness, forgiveness and compassion, pray to the

Divine

> God (or your preferred name for the Divine) for guidance, question

all

> and seek only the Truth. God is perfection.

> > People have definite opinions about what is Karma and the

question of

> reincarnation is a favorite area for argument. All religions,

however,

> agree that the energy body, after physical death, goes on to a fate

> determined by one's actions during the physical lifetime.

Therefore, the

> fate is determined primarily by the spiritual decisions and actions

that

> were made, with great importance given to intention, responsibility

and

> the presence of ones will.

> > One's fate, obviously, will either be for the better or for the

worse,

> depending on the choices made by the person's "free" will. It is

more

> important to understand the factors that determine the fate of the

> soul/energy body and its destiny after physical "death". One's

ultimate

> fate is the automatic and impersonal consequence of the choices one

were

> presented with and the decisions made with the choices.. One's fate

> after physical "death" is merely the inevitable, consequence of

one's

> own choice and not a reward or a punishment meted out arbitrarily by

> some external figure, energy or power. This is the absolute justice

of

> God that guarantees absolute fairness and impartiality. Judgment is

> therefore merely a semantic invention that serves as an explanation

from

> the presumption of the human mind, the ego.

> > One's spiritual destiny is sealed and determined by one's own

hand and

> its actions, each person, with absolute fairness, determines their

own

> fate. Thus, God's justice is indeed perfectly self fulfilling.

Mankind

> then needs to take responsibility for its own fate and stop blaming

God,

> who has been much maligned. In reality, the Love of God, like the

sun,

> shines equally on all.

> >

> > There are some who hears and then there are some who will listen.

> >

> > Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is

> comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software

represents

> the programming society as well as by one's own inherited

influences.

> The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the reality that

the

> human mind is incapable of discerning truth from falsehood. It has

no

> innate defense against utilization of its hardware to play any

> introduced software program without prior approval, discernment, or

> options of one's own will.

> > Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware this

> indicates a degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of

> Reality by substitution of perception, distortion and the

> misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great

interest is

> that every single action, feeling, or thought registers permanently

> beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual field of

> consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought, feeling or

action

> is forever identifiable.

> >

> > The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose

patterns

> leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's own

life. Out

> of the patterning of the vibrational track arises the forms

inherent in

> Karmic consequences of acts of one's own will. Naively, personal

> consciousness identifies the self, with the body, the ego/mind, and

the

> emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result of Karmic "merit",

the

> spiritual truth is heard and becomes inspirational.

> >

> >

> > There is no such thing as "death". Existence is like a recycling

of

> the Spirit Self from one incarnation to another. The Spirit leaves

the

> body even though the "flesh" is still "alive". For instance, at the

> split second before an impact of a car accident which is destined to

> cause physical expiration the Spirit leaves the body. There is no

pain,

> it is all an illusion.

> > The physicality is just a vehicle for the Spirit to conduct its

> business of transcending levels of consciousness. The body is

> disposable, it was not meant for anyone to identify with it nor to

fear

> "loosing" it for it was never theirs in the first place. In the

same way

> we look at the moon from afar we don't call it "My moon" we should

look

> at our physicality and call it "the body" not "my body". If you

owned it

> you would take it with you, you "own" your Spirit and it is

what "you"

> only take with you.

> >

> >

> > Love is a state of being. love is not an emotion. To want

something

> out of love means the love is an attachment. To love someone, truly

love

> someone it has to be unconditional, when we want something because

of

> love then it is conditional love. To love someone because what the

> person looks like, acts like, owns, knows about, or how the person

> performs sxually is not love it is a wanting, it is without a doubt

an

> attachment. When a person is in a state of love there is no

attachments,

> it is shared with no expectations of receiving, getting, obtaining,

or

> performance. When the receiving, getting, obtaining or performance

fall

> short of the expectations of the "love" that the person thought was

felt

> it looses its grip and most likely the relationship ends. It is all

ego

> based.

> >

> > The majority of experiences of being "in-love" represents the

> condition that the ego/self is experiencing. The ego/self is being

felt

> good, validated, complimented, paid attention to or gifted to. The

> ego/self feels incredible wanting to continue feeling this

condition,

> its the juice for the ego/self. Love in this level is a condition of

> being and not a state of being. Once the juice of the emotional

> attachment and the reality of what the recipient is really

experiencing

> becomes clear that's when love becomes a chaotic emotionality, and

that

> emotionality turns from a feel good emotion to a not so feel good

> emotion. This is when love is labeled as an emotion, it is not the

> actual love that is the emotion but all the attached feelings to

love.

> Love as an emotion is illusionary.

> >

> > There is no love "out there", there is no love to find or

get...love

> is an existing state of being, love is within not without. Love

cannot

> be radiated. It is through your Higher Self that true love is first

> experienced, putting aside all physicality, sxual performances,

> compliments, expectations anything that has to do with the

> identification with the ego/self. It is in that moment when you see

a

> person in whatever form and you are compelled to look again, and

again,

> without lust. True love emerges from the Higher Self, I suggest

everyone

> have a serious conversation with their own Higher Self and see if

what

> they think they are experiencing is love or not, you might be

surprised

> in the difference between what the ego/self thinks and what the

Higher

> Self is actually experiencing. The Higher Self only knows Truth, the

> Higher Self does not know illusions. Love is nonlinear, there is no

> falsity in the nonlinear, only Truth. Perhaps that

> > certain person you are so eager to have a relationship with is not

> really the right match for you, or the person you are admiring

because

> of the physicality, potentiality in sxual performance, or already

> expressed sxual performance might also not be the right person for

you.

> Or, perhaps, next time you "utter" to anyone the words "I love you",

> stop and really look within and feel what IS within. Perhaps

uttering

> such words is really the ego/self saying "don't leave me", "hey, I

am

> here, don't forget me", "I am important too", "I want what you

have", "I

> have something you need to know", endless egotistical list. The

Higher

> Self only experiences Love in its truest form, it doesn't care how

good

> the intended is in bed, how hot she/he looks, how much money she/he

> makes or what kind of car it is driven. The ego/self does care if

the

> intended falls short in sxual performance, the attention is

curtailed,

> the importance is diminished, the gifts

> > stopped, the phone calls are not as frequent, the hotness is not

so

> hot anymore, the bank account dries up, the job gets lost, or the

car

> crashes. Where does the ego/self go from there? Resentment. Then

love

> gets the blame as being painful.

> >

> > The entire perceptual illusion that the ego claims to be reality

is

> completely and totally the product of positionality. This is very

> important to unravel and understand in one's own experiential

awareness.

> If you observe carefully you will note that at the time the mind is

> taking a position, that position stems from choice, training,

desire,

> emotions, etc. The ego/mind is limited to perceptually created,

linear

> sequential logic, abstractions, and the use of words, concepts, and

> symbols. The matrix of the comprehension afforded by intellection is

> actually an epistemological position that relies primarily on

> definitions. Thus, it is definition itself that is the very crux of

the

> impediment. Definition is an artifice, an agree upon symbolism

displayed

> as verbal or auditory syntax so that it will have a communicable,

> specific and limited meaning. Language is as useful as it is

precise.

> > To define, we have to deal in abstract categories of thought. We

> specify class, genus, and species. Thus, verbalization and

languaging

> result in careful, progressive, limitation from class to genus to

> species to particular individual. Language and concepts consist of

very

> limited, distinct forms. Although this generality is easy to see,

it is

> more far reaching and subtle in its effects than can easily

described.

> At the very basis of the limitation of thinking, mind/logic is the

fact,

> as pointed out by Korzypsk, that a symbol or a word is not the same

> thing as that which is denotes (e.g. the map is not the territory).

> >

> > A speck of dust cannot be where it is positioned without air

currents,

> which require a room, which requires a building, a lot, a

continent, a

> planet, a solar system, a galaxy, a universe, and so on. All

statements

> made by the mind is subjective. There is no linear progression of

> events, sequences or causations. All shines forth as it is in its

> expression of existence. All is self-existence and therefore not

> dependent on anything outside itself.

> >

> > The ego/mind and its emotions and feelings are strong and

habitual.

> Thus, it takes more than just a good idea to "get spiritual" in

order to

> transcend them. The force of instincts and negative emotions

belongs to

> vey low levels of consciousness. When an individual has very low

level

> of consciousness, there is the experiencing of life processes, but

there

> is not yet conscious awareness of existence. Thus, a frog experinces

> frog life but it is not aware yet that it is or has existence or

> beingness. It could be said that life is not valued for its own

sake in

> low levels of consciousness, and therefore, the worth of the lives

of

> others (including the worth of their spiritual journey) for its own

sake

> either. It is only when the individual achieve higher levels of

> consciousness that true concern for the well-being, and value of the

> lives of others, including the worth and value of their spiritual

> journey really arises. In an individual with low levels

> > of consciousness, the lifestyle is self-centered.

> > So the question is "Would the overall consequences of intense

inner

> spiritual focus tend to result in detachment and noninvolvement in

the

> world?" As a general trend, that is characteristic of intense inner

> spiritual focus. As the ego's dominance of perception recedes, so

does

> the appearance of the world and the mind's interpretations.

Decisions

> are based on projected perceptions. So, the mind perceives endless

> illusions, including classifications based on judgments. Those that

are

> interpreted as "good" options are attractive to choice and

agreement.

> Those that are interpreted as "bad' options are rejected. But

really,

> what your interpreted perception of what is "good" option to you

could

> be a "bad" option for me under the exact circumstances. It is all

about

> the ego's perceptions.

> >

> > The pursuit of Enlightenment appears to be a very major decision

with

> possible major impact on ordinary lifestyles. This may seem to be a

> source of worry or anxiety when it is first heard. In due time,

> resolution occurs as a consequence of recontextualization and a

shift in

> values. What may be perceived as disruptive by the ego at a certain

> level of consciousness is not experienced as such at a much higher

> level. The Self manages the transition. Most questions about

adjustments

> or seeming sacrifices do not take into consideration the power of

> decision itself, which increases in intensity as the barriers are

> removed. Devotion dissolves fears, doubts, and hesitation and

clarifies

> uncertainty. Intention also becomes ever stronger as does trust in

God.

> Then arises the inner decision to totally abandon oneself to God.

> > Consciousness research has revealed a great deal of helpful

> information. It clarifies understanding and shifts the spiritual

> process. It is also confirmation of spiritual reality and its

> progressive experiences. The essential fundamental principles for

> spiritual endeavor are still those that are time-honored, such as

> devotion, humility, fortitude, willingness to surrender to God, and

> faith and trust in God. These are reinforced by dedication, prayer,

and

> the supplication and invocation of God's Grace (Kundalini) by an

act of

> the Spiritual Will. Although critical information about the ego and

the

> levels of consciousness facilitates transformation, confirmation

stems

> from the application of the fundamental spiritual principals

described

> above. These are empowered by intention, which results in alignment

and

> integration whereby the basic priciples become operative. Devotion

is a

> consequence of allowance by the will. Complete and total surrender

to

> > God (as you, personally interpret God to be), can eclipse the

process

> at any given point along the way. I like to clarify that when I say

God,

> it is the God I interpret God to be, be it Allah, Krishna, Brahma,

> Christ.

> > Naively, early spiritual seekers often expect that "becoming

> spiritual" will bring about a magical kind of childlike happiness by

> which they will be transported to a stress-free, heavenly condition

of

> better quality and pleasure for self and others. This is certainly

true

> if the transition is from low levels of consciousness to a higher

levels

> of consciousness that is full of integrity where the rate of

happiness

> does indeed rise very rapidly. To continue to evolve requires

> development of courage, determination, and the alignment of

priorities

> as a consequence of intention and, eventually, commitment. If

> vicissitudes along the way are understood to be normal, they will

not

> result in dismay.

> >

> > George

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm having a case of de ja vu, didn't Pam write this exact same article when she

joined under a false name? Are you copy and pasting this from somewhere?

I'm having flash backs.....elektra x x x

[Guest guest]

no i dont have any question

John

, George Clifford

<georgetheclifford wrote:

>

> What is your question John?

> George

>

>

>

>

> johndplumber <jaganatha

>

> Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:33:00 PM

> Re: The Obstacles of the

Ego

>

>

> No Sarita, though the forcefulness behind it gives me certain

> impressions. Let us see if George answers my question.

> John

> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " Sarita "

> <sarita1969@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I saw this posted on another group a few months back. Do you

happen

> > know what the source of this information is?

> >

> > Sarita

> >

> >

> > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , George

> Clifford

> > <georgetheclifford@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > ..

> > > Spirits incarnate into the Earth realm for one reason and one

> reason

> > alone...to raise their levels of consciousness. As Spirits

> incarnated,

> > humans live a life motivated by choices, activated by experiences

> all

> > the while ascending or descending in levels of consciousness. Each

> > incarnation presents oportunities for each and every incarnated

> Spirit

> > to raise their levels of conciousness higher than their present

> level of

> > conciousness. The higher the level of consciousness the closer to

> the

> > perfection of All that IS and the closer to the Truth of All that

> IS.

> > All the Spirits incarnated are given the same starting point with

> their

> > first incarnation, the same chances, no one is better, or has a

> better

> > shot, or given better circumstances. The initial incarnation is

the

> > starting point, what choices are made in such incarnation will

> depend on

> > whether the incarnated spirit will ascend to the Heavenly realm or

> > inhabit the realms that preclude

> > > incarnation. It is through subjectivety that a human experience

an

> > illusionary existence. It is through the teachings, the

religions,

> and

> > social interaction that a human is presented with choices, these

> choices

> > will either enhance or hinder the level of conciousness of such

> human.

> > As the human continues the present existence the level of

> conciousness

> > will either go up or down. The lower the level of conciousness the

> > bigger the karmic propensities of such human and the likelyhood of

> > reincarnating. As I said before, humans incarnate with a set

level

> of

> > conciousness such that if the original level of consciousness is

not

> > maintained or transcended to a higher level the Spirit must

> incarnate

> > over and over again until a level of consciousness has been

reached

> that

> > will allow the Spirit Self steadily be in an attractor field that

> of the

> > Celestial Realm. All Spirits originate from the Heaven Reams and

> they

> > are given the same oportunity to return to

> > > such realm. The choices are simple, live a life that is Love

> based as

> > the context of All...in such forgiveness, lovingness, and

> compassion are

> > the dominant factors. Human exercising such simple existence will

> reach

> > a level of awareness that will transcend the need to depend so

> > emotionally with the ego/self. As such, the awareness will lead

to a

> > willingness to surrender the ego/self/will to the Divine

> > Father/God/Godhead (however you interpreted the Divine to be).

This

> > surrendering is motivated by love and only love.

> > > If the condition of Love does not exist in one self it can not

be

> a

> > condition that the self can experience in others. If the

condition

> of

> > forgiveness does not exist in one self it can not be a condition

> that

> > the self can experience from or towards others. If compassion for

> one

> > self does not exist it can not exist towards others. In so with

the

> just

> > said, love, forgive and be compassionate with your(self) as in

> doing so

> > will create an impetus in others including your conciousness

level.

> > > You are here, in this incarnation, to raise your level of

> > conciousness, you will be in your next incarnation to raise your

> level

> > of conciousness and your next incarnation will be approached for

the

> > same reason. Incarnation after incarnation until the level of

> > consciousness has been reached enough to meet the minimum

allowable

> to

> > enter through the Heaven's gate. There are no short cuts, favors,

> > pleads, special breathings, offerings, yoga movements, pain or

> > sufferings, diet requirements, chantings, prayers, or Shaktipats

> > required. God, or how ever you interpret the Divine to be, does

not

> > place a human in a situation requiring him/her to be prescribed

to

> the

> > list of ego based falsities that I have mentioned in the previous

> > sentence.

> > >

> > >

> > > It is perception, an illusion that the ego/self creates for the

> mere

> > purpose of survival, an almost animal instint survival. The

ego/self

> > does not live in the lovingness, forgiving and compassionate

> states...it

> > threatens its survival. Therefore, one needs to transcend the

> ego/self

> > first. Simple, very very simple. Live this existence in the

eternal

> > present...in lovingness, forgiveness and compassion, pray to the

> Divine

> > God (or your preferred name for the Divine) for guidance,

question

> all

> > and seek only the Truth. God is perfection.

> > > People have definite opinions about what is Karma and the

> question of

> > reincarnation is a favorite area for argument. All religions,

> however,

> > agree that the energy body, after physical death, goes on to a

fate

> > determined by one's actions during the physical lifetime.

> Therefore, the

> > fate is determined primarily by the spiritual decisions and

actions

> that

> > were made, with great importance given to intention,

responsibility

> and

> > the presence of ones will.

> > > One's fate, obviously, will either be for the better or for the

> worse,

> > depending on the choices made by the person's " free " will. It is

> more

> > important to understand the factors that determine the fate of the

> > soul/energy body and its destiny after physical " death " . One's

> ultimate

> > fate is the automatic and impersonal consequence of the choices

one

> were

> > presented with and the decisions made with the choices.. One's

fate

> > after physical " death " is merely the inevitable, consequence of

> one's

> > own choice and not a reward or a punishment meted out arbitrarily

by

> > some external figure, energy or power. This is the absolute

justice

> of

> > God that guarantees absolute fairness and impartiality. Judgment

is

> > therefore merely a semantic invention that serves as an

explanation

> from

> > the presumption of the human mind, the ego.

> > > One's spiritual destiny is sealed and determined by one's own

> hand and

> > its actions, each person, with absolute fairness, determines

their

> own

> > fate. Thus, God's justice is indeed perfectly self fulfilling.

> Mankind

> > then needs to take responsibility for its own fate and stop

blaming

> God,

> > who has been much maligned. In reality, the Love of God, like the

> sun,

> > shines equally on all.

> > >

> > > There are some who hears and then there are some who will

listen.

> > >

> > > Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is

> > comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software

> represents

> > the programming society as well as by one's own inherited

> influences.

> > The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the reality that

> the

> > human mind is incapable of discerning truth from falsehood. It

has

> no

> > innate defense against utilization of its hardware to play any

> > introduced software program without prior approval, discernment,

or

> > options of one's own will.

> > > Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware

this

> > indicates a degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of

> > Reality by substitution of perception, distortion and the

> > misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great

> interest is

> > that every single action, feeling, or thought registers

permanently

> > beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual field of

> > consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought, feeling or

> action

> > is forever identifiable.

> > >

> > > The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose

> patterns

> > leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's own

> life. Out

> > of the patterning of the vibrational track arises the forms

> inherent in

> > Karmic consequences of acts of one's own will. Naively, personal

> > consciousness identifies the self, with the body, the ego/mind,

and

> the

> > emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result of Karmic " merit " ,

> the

> > spiritual truth is heard and becomes inspirational.

> > >

> > >

> > > There is no such thing as " death " . Existence is like a

recycling

> of

> > the Spirit Self from one incarnation to another. The Spirit

leaves

> the

> > body even though the " flesh " is still " alive " . For instance, at

the

> > split second before an impact of a car accident which is destined

to

> > cause physical expiration the Spirit leaves the body. There is no

> pain,

> > it is all an illusion.

> > > The physicality is just a vehicle for the Spirit to conduct its

> > business of transcending levels of consciousness. The body is

> > disposable, it was not meant for anyone to identify with it nor

to

> fear

> > " loosing " it for it was never theirs in the first place. In the

> same way

> > we look at the moon from afar we don't call it " My moon " we

should

> look

> > at our physicality and call it " the body " not " my body " . If you

> owned it

> > you would take it with you, you " own " your Spirit and it is

> what " you "

> > only take with you.

> > >

> > >

> > > Love is a state of being. love is not an emotion. To want

> something

> > out of love means the love is an attachment. To love someone,

truly

> love

> > someone it has to be unconditional, when we want something

because

> of

> > love then it is conditional love. To love someone because what the

> > person looks like, acts like, owns, knows about, or how the person

> > performs sxually is not love it is a wanting, it is without a

doubt

> an

> > attachment. When a person is in a state of love there is no

> attachments,

> > it is shared with no expectations of receiving, getting,

obtaining,

> or

> > performance. When the receiving, getting, obtaining or

performance

> fall

> > short of the expectations of the " love " that the person thought

was

> felt

> > it looses its grip and most likely the relationship ends. It is

all

> ego

> > based.

> > >

> > > The majority of experiences of being " in-love " represents the

> > condition that the ego/self is experiencing. The ego/self is

being

> felt

> > good, validated, complimented, paid attention to or gifted to. The

> > ego/self feels incredible wanting to continue feeling this

> condition,

> > its the juice for the ego/self. Love in this level is a condition

of

> > being and not a state of being. Once the juice of the emotional

> > attachment and the reality of what the recipient is really

> experiencing

> > becomes clear that's when love becomes a chaotic emotionality,

and

> that

> > emotionality turns from a feel good emotion to a not so feel good

> > emotion. This is when love is labeled as an emotion, it is not the

> > actual love that is the emotion but all the attached feelings to

> love.

> > Love as an emotion is illusionary.

> > >

> > > There is no love " out there " , there is no love to find or

> get...love

> > is an existing state of being, love is within not without. Love

> cannot

> > be radiated. It is through your Higher Self that true love is

first

> > experienced, putting aside all physicality, sxual performances,

> > compliments, expectations anything that has to do with the

> > identification with the ego/self. It is in that moment when you

see

> a

> > person in whatever form and you are compelled to look again, and

> again,

> > without lust. True love emerges from the Higher Self, I suggest

> everyone

> > have a serious conversation with their own Higher Self and see if

> what

> > they think they are experiencing is love or not, you might be

> surprised

> > in the difference between what the ego/self thinks and what the

> Higher

> > Self is actually experiencing. The Higher Self only knows Truth,

the

> > Higher Self does not know illusions. Love is nonlinear, there is

no

> > falsity in the nonlinear, only Truth. Perhaps that

> > > certain person you are so eager to have a relationship with is

not

> > really the right match for you, or the person you are admiring

> because

> > of the physicality, potentiality in sxual performance, or already

> > expressed sxual performance might also not be the right person

for

> you.

> > Or, perhaps, next time you " utter " to anyone the words " I love

you " ,

> > stop and really look within and feel what IS within. Perhaps

> uttering

> > such words is really the ego/self saying " don't leave me " , " hey,

I

> am

> > here, don't forget me " , " I am important too " , " I want what you

> have " , " I

> > have something you need to know " , endless egotistical list. The

> Higher

> > Self only experiences Love in its truest form, it doesn't care

how

> good

> > the intended is in bed, how hot she/he looks, how much money

she/he

> > makes or what kind of car it is driven. The ego/self does care if

> the

> > intended falls short in sxual performance, the attention is

> curtailed,

> > the importance is diminished, the gifts

> > > stopped, the phone calls are not as frequent, the hotness is

not

> so

> > hot anymore, the bank account dries up, the job gets lost, or the

> car

> > crashes. Where does the ego/self go from there? Resentment. Then

> love

> > gets the blame as being painful.

> > >

> > > The entire perceptual illusion that the ego claims to be

reality

> is

> > completely and totally the product of positionality. This is very

> > important to unravel and understand in one's own experiential

> awareness.

> > If you observe carefully you will note that at the time the mind

is

> > taking a position, that position stems from choice, training,

> desire,

> > emotions, etc. The ego/mind is limited to perceptually created,

> linear

> > sequential logic, abstractions, and the use of words, concepts,

and

> > symbols. The matrix of the comprehension afforded by intellection

is

> > actually an epistemological position that relies primarily on

> > definitions. Thus, it is definition itself that is the very crux

of

> the

> > impediment. Definition is an artifice, an agree upon symbolism

> displayed

> > as verbal or auditory syntax so that it will have a communicable,

> > specific and limited meaning. Language is as useful as it is

> precise.

> > > To define, we have to deal in abstract categories of thought. We

> > specify class, genus, and species. Thus, verbalization and

> languaging

> > result in careful, progressive, limitation from class to genus to

> > species to particular individual. Language and concepts consist

of

> very

> > limited, distinct forms. Although this generality is easy to see,

> it is

> > more far reaching and subtle in its effects than can easily

> described.

> > At the very basis of the limitation of thinking, mind/logic is

the

> fact,

> > as pointed out by Korzypsk, that a symbol or a word is not the

same

> > thing as that which is denotes (e.g. the map is not the

territory).

> > >

> > > A speck of dust cannot be where it is positioned without air

> currents,

> > which require a room, which requires a building, a lot, a

> continent, a

> > planet, a solar system, a galaxy, a universe, and so on. All

> statements

> > made by the mind is subjective. There is no linear progression of

> > events, sequences or causations. All shines forth as it is in its

> > expression of existence. All is self-existence and therefore not

> > dependent on anything outside itself.

> > >

> > > The ego/mind and its emotions and feelings are strong and

> habitual.

> > Thus, it takes more than just a good idea to " get spiritual " in

> order to

> > transcend them. The force of instincts and negative emotions

> belongs to

> > vey low levels of consciousness. When an individual has very low

> level

> > of consciousness, there is the experiencing of life processes,

but

> there

> > is not yet conscious awareness of existence. Thus, a frog

experinces

> > frog life but it is not aware yet that it is or has existence or

> > beingness. It could be said that life is not valued for its own

> sake in

> > low levels of consciousness, and therefore, the worth of the

lives

> of

> > others (including the worth of their spiritual journey) for its

own

> sake

> > either. It is only when the individual achieve higher levels of

> > consciousness that true concern for the well-being, and value of

the

> > lives of others, including the worth and value of their spiritual

> > journey really arises. In an individual with low levels

> > > of consciousness, the lifestyle is self-centered.

> > > So the question is " Would the overall consequences of intense

> inner

> > spiritual focus tend to result in detachment and noninvolvement

in

> the

> > world? " As a general trend, that is characteristic of intense

inner

> > spiritual focus. As the ego's dominance of perception recedes, so

> does

> > the appearance of the world and the mind's interpretations.

> Decisions

> > are based on projected perceptions. So, the mind perceives endless

> > illusions, including classifications based on judgments. Those

that

> are

> > interpreted as " good " options are attractive to choice and

> agreement.

> > Those that are interpreted as " bad' options are rejected. But

> really,

> > what your interpreted perception of what is " good " option to you

> could

> > be a " bad " option for me under the exact circumstances. It is all

> about

> > the ego's perceptions.

> > >

> > > The pursuit of Enlightenment appears to be a very major

decision

> with

> > possible major impact on ordinary lifestyles. This may seem to be

a

> > source of worry or anxiety when it is first heard. In due time,

> > resolution occurs as a consequence of recontextualization and a

> shift in

> > values. What may be perceived as disruptive by the ego at a

certain

> > level of consciousness is not experienced as such at a much higher

> > level. The Self manages the transition. Most questions about

> adjustments

> > or seeming sacrifices do not take into consideration the power of

> > decision itself, which increases in intensity as the barriers are

> > removed. Devotion dissolves fears, doubts, and hesitation and

> clarifies

> > uncertainty. Intention also becomes ever stronger as does trust

in

> God.

> > Then arises the inner decision to totally abandon oneself to God.

> > > Consciousness research has revealed a great deal of helpful

> > information. It clarifies understanding and shifts the spiritual

> > process. It is also confirmation of spiritual reality and its

> > progressive experiences. The essential fundamental principles for

> > spiritual endeavor are still those that are time-honored, such as

> > devotion, humility, fortitude, willingness to surrender to God,

and

> > faith and trust in God. These are reinforced by dedication,

prayer,

> and

> > the supplication and invocation of God's Grace (Kundalini) by an

> act of

> > the Spiritual Will. Although critical information about the ego

and

> the

> > levels of consciousness facilitates transformation, confirmation

> stems

> > from the application of the fundamental spiritual principals

> described

> > above. These are empowered by intention, which results in

alignment

> and

> > integration whereby the basic priciples become operative.

Devotion

> is a

> > consequence of allowance by the will. Complete and total

surrender

> to

> > > God (as you, personally interpret God to be), can eclipse the

> process

> > at any given point along the way. I like to clarify that when I

say

> God,

> > it is the God I interpret God to be, be it Allah, Krishna, Brahma,

> > Christ.

> > > Naively, early spiritual seekers often expect that " becoming

> > spiritual " will bring about a magical kind of childlike happiness

by

> > which they will be transported to a stress-free, heavenly

condition

> of

> > better quality and pleasure for self and others. This is

certainly

> true

> > if the transition is from low levels of consciousness to a higher

> levels

> > of consciousness that is full of integrity where the rate of

> happiness

> > does indeed rise very rapidly. To continue to evolve requires

> > development of courage, determination, and the alignment of

> priorities

> > as a consequence of intention and, eventually, commitment. If

> > vicissitudes along the way are understood to be normal, they will

> not

> > result in dismay.

> > >

> > > George

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

LOL! Can you (or anyone) recommend some books that you found helpful on the ego? I have read The Power of Now and have started A New Earth.

Sarita

, George Clifford <georgetheclifford wrote:>> Yes, me, I wrote it under my pet name "Forgiveness"> > > > > Sarita sarita1969 > Saturday, September 6, 2008 6:25:17 PM> Re: The Obstacles of the Ego> > > I saw this posted on another group a few months back. Do you happen know what the source of this information is? > Sarita> > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , George Clifford <georgetheclifford@ ...> wrote:> >> > ..> > Spirits incarnate into the Earth realm for one reason and one reason alone...to raise their levels of consciousness. As Spirits incarnated, humans live a life motivated by choices, activated by experiences all the while ascending or descending in levels of consciousness. Each incarnation presents oportunities for each and every incarnated Spirit to raise their levels of conciousness higher than their present level of conciousness. The higher the level of consciousness the closer to the perfection of All that IS and the closer to the Truth of All that IS. All the Spirits incarnated are given the same starting point with their first incarnation, the same chances, no one is better, or has a better shot, or given better circumstances. The initial incarnation is the starting point, what choices are made in such incarnation will depend on whether the incarnated spirit will ascend to the Heavenly realm or inhabit the realms that preclude> > incarnation. It is through subjectivety that a human experience an illusionary existence. It is through the teachings, the religions, and social interaction that a human is presented with choices, these choices will either enhance or hinder the level of conciousness of such human. As the human continues the present existence the level of conciousness will either go up or down. The lower the level of conciousness the bigger the karmic propensities of such human and the likelyhood of reincarnating. As I said before, humans incarnate with a set level of conciousness such that if the original level of consciousness is not maintained or transcended to a higher level the Spirit must incarnate over and over again until a level of consciousness has been reached that will allow the Spirit Self steadily be in an attractor field that of the Celestial Realm. All Spirits originate from the Heaven Reams and they are given the same oportunity to return to> > such realm. The choices are simple, live a life that is Love based as the context of All...in such forgiveness, lovingness, and compassion are the dominant factors. Human exercising such simple existence will reach a level of awareness that will transcend the need to depend so emotionally with the ego/self. As such, the awareness will lead to a willingness to surrender the ego/self/will to the Divine Father/God/Godhead (however you interpreted the Divine to be). This surrendering is motivated by love and only love. > > If the condition of Love does not exist in one self it can not be a condition that the self can experience in others. If the condition of forgiveness does not exist in one self it can not be a condition that the self can experience from or towards others. If compassion for one self does not exist it can not exist towards others. In so with the just said, love, forgive and be compassionate with your(self) as in doing so will create an impetus in others including your conciousness level. > > You are here, in this incarnation, to raise your level of conciousness, you will be in your next incarnation to raise your level of conciousness and your next incarnation will be approached for the same reason. Incarnation after incarnation until the level of consciousness has been reached enough to meet the minimum allowable to enter through the Heaven's gate. There are no short cuts, favors, pleads, special breathings, offerings, yoga movements, pain or sufferings, diet requirements, chantings, prayers, or Shaktipats required. God, or how ever you interpret the Divine to be, does not place a human in a situation requiring him/her to be prescribed to the list of ego based falsities that I have mentioned in the previous sentence.> > > > > > It is perception, an illusion that the ego/self creates for the mere purpose of survival, an almost animal instint survival. The ego/self does not live in the lovingness, forgiving and compassionate states...it threatens its survival. Therefore, one needs to transcend the ego/self first. Simple, very very simple. Live this existence in the eternal present...in lovingness, forgiveness and compassion, pray to the Divine God (or your preferred name for the Divine) for guidance, question all and seek only the Truth. God is perfection.> > People have definite opinions about what is Karma and the question of reincarnation is a favorite area for argument. All religions, however, agree that the energy body, after physical death, goes on to a fate determined by one's actions during the physical lifetime. Therefore, the fate is determined primarily by the spiritual decisions and actions that were made, with great importance given to intention, responsibility and the presence of ones will. > > One's fate, obviously, will either be for the better or for the worse, depending on the choices made by the person's "free" will. It is more important to understand the factors that determine the fate of the soul/energy body and its destiny after physical "death". One's ultimate fate is the automatic and impersonal consequence of the choices one were presented with and the decisions made with the choices.. One's fate after physical "death" is merely the inevitable, consequence of one's own choice and not a reward or a punishment meted out arbitrarily by some external figure, energy or power. This is the absolute justice of God that guarantees absolute fairness and impartiality. Judgment is therefore merely a semantic invention that serves as an explanation from the presumption of the human mind, the ego. > > One's spiritual destiny is sealed and determined by one's own hand and its actions, each person, with absolute fairness, determines their own fate. Thus, God's justice is indeed perfectly self fulfilling. Mankind then needs to take responsibility for its own fate and stop blaming God, who has been much maligned. In reality, the Love of God, like the sun, shines equally on all. > > > > There are some who hears and then there are some who will listen. > > > > Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software represents the programming society as well as by one's own inherited influences. The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the reality that the human mind is incapable of discerning truth from falsehood. It has no innate defense against utilization of its hardware to play any introduced software program without prior approval, discernment, or options of one's own will. > > Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware this indicates a degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of Reality by substitution of perception, distortion and the misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great interest is that every single action, feeling, or thought registers permanently beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual field of consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought, feeling or action is forever identifiable. > > > > The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose patterns leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's own life. Out of the patterning of the vibrational track arises the forms inherent in Karmic consequences of acts of one's own will. Naively, personal consciousness identifies the self, with the body, the ego/mind, and the emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result of Karmic "merit", the spiritual truth is heard and becomes inspirational. > > > > > > There is no such thing as "death". Existence is like a recycling of the Spirit Self from one incarnation to another. The Spirit leaves the body even though the "flesh" is still "alive". For instance, at the split second before an impact of a car accident which is destined to cause physical expiration the Spirit leaves the body. There is no pain, it is all an illusion. > > The physicality is just a vehicle for the Spirit to conduct its business of transcending levels of consciousness. The body is disposable, it was not meant for anyone to identify with it nor to fear "loosing" it for it was never theirs in the first place. In the same way we look at the moon from afar we don't call it "My moon" we should look at our physicality and call it "the body" not "my body". If you owned it you would take it with you, you "own" your Spirit and it is what "you" only take with you.> > > > > > Love is a state of being. love is not an emotion. To want something out of love means the love is an attachment. To love someone, truly love someone it has to be unconditional, when we want something because of love then it is conditional love. To love someone because what the person looks like, acts like, owns, knows about, or how the person performs sxually is not love it is a wanting, it is without a doubt an attachment. When a person is in a state of love there is no attachments, it is shared with no expectations of receiving, getting, obtaining, or performance. When the receiving, getting, obtaining or performance fall short of the expectations of the "love" that the person thought was felt it looses its grip and most likely the relationship ends. It is all ego based.> > > > The majority of experiences of being "in-love" represents the condition that the ego/self is experiencing. The ego/self is being felt good, validated, complimented, paid attention to or gifted to. The ego/self feels incredible wanting to continue feeling this condition, its the juice for the ego/self. Love in this level is a condition of being and not a state of being. Once the juice of the emotional attachment and the reality of what the recipient is really experiencing becomes clear that's when love becomes a chaotic emotionality, and that emotionality turns from a feel good emotion to a not so feel good emotion. This is when love is labeled as an emotion, it is not the actual love that is the emotion but all the attached feelings to love. Love as an emotion is illusionary. > > > > There is no love "out there", there is no love to find or get...love is an existing state of being, love is within not without. Love cannot be radiated. It is through your Higher Self that true love is first experienced, putting aside all physicality, sxual performances, compliments, expectations anything that has to do with the identification with the ego/self. It is in that moment when you see a person in whatever form and you are compelled to look again, and again, without lust. True love emerges from the Higher Self, I suggest everyone have a serious conversation with their own Higher Self and see if what they think they are experiencing is love or not, you might be surprised in the difference between what the ego/self thinks and what the Higher Self is actually experiencing. The Higher Self only knows Truth, the Higher Self does not know illusions. Love is nonlinear, there is no falsity in the nonlinear, only Truth. Perhaps that> > certain person you are so eager to have a relationship with is not really the right match for you, or the person you are admiring because of the physicality, potentiality in sxual performance, or already expressed sxual performance might also not be the right person for you. Or, perhaps, next time you "utter" to anyone the words "I love you", stop and really look within and feel what IS within. Perhaps uttering such words is really the ego/self saying "don't leave me", "hey, I am here, don't forget me", "I am important too", "I want what you have", "I have something you need to know", endless egotistical list. The Higher Self only experiences Love in its truest form, it doesn't care how good the intended is in bed, how hot she/he looks, how much money she/he makes or what kind of car it is driven. The ego/self does care if the intended falls short in sxual performance, the attention is curtailed, the importance is diminished, the gifts> > stopped, the phone calls are not as frequent, the hotness is not so hot anymore, the bank account dries up, the job gets lost, or the car crashes. Where does the ego/self go from there? Resentment. Then love gets the blame as being painful.> > > > The entire perceptual illusion that the ego claims to be reality is completely and totally the product of positionality. This is very important to unravel and understand in one's own experiential awareness. If you observe carefully you will note that at the time the mind is taking a position, that position stems from choice, training, desire, emotions, etc. The ego/mind is limited to perceptually created, linear sequential logic, abstractions, and the use of words, concepts, and symbols. The matrix of the comprehension afforded by intellection is actually an epistemological position that relies primarily on definitions. Thus, it is definition itself that is the very crux of the impediment. Definition is an artifice, an agree upon symbolism displayed as verbal or auditory syntax so that it will have a communicable, specific and limited meaning. Language is as useful as it is precise. > > To define, we have to deal in abstract categories of thought. We specify class, genus, and species. Thus, verbalization and languaging result in careful, progressive, limitation from class to genus to species to particular individual. Language and concepts consist of very limited, distinct forms. Although this generality is easy to see, it is more far reaching and subtle in its effects than can easily described. At the very basis of the limitation of thinking, mind/logic is the fact, as pointed out by Korzypsk, that a symbol or a word is not the same thing as that which is denotes (e.g. the map is not the territory).> > > > A speck of dust cannot be where it is positioned without air currents, which require a room, which requires a building, a lot, a continent, a planet, a solar system, a galaxy, a universe, and so on. All statements made by the mind is subjective. There is no linear progression of events, sequences or causations. All shines forth as it is in its expression of existence. All is self-existence and therefore not dependent on anything outside itself.> > > > The ego/mind and its emotions and feelings are strong and habitual. Thus, it takes more than just a good idea to "get spiritual" in order to transcend them. The force of instincts and negative emotions belongs to vey low levels of consciousness. When an individual has very low level of consciousness, there is the experiencing of life processes, but there is not yet conscious awareness of existence. Thus, a frog experinces frog life but it is not aware yet that it is or has existence or beingness. It could be said that life is not valued for its own sake in low levels of consciousness, and therefore, the worth of the lives of others (including the worth of their spiritual journey) for its own sake either. It is only when the individual achieve higher levels of consciousness that true concern for the well-being, and value of the lives of others, including the worth and value of their spiritual journey really arises. In an individual with low levels> > of consciousness, the lifestyle is self-centered.> > So the question is "Would the overall consequences of intense inner spiritual focus tend to result in detachment and noninvolvement in the world?" As a general trend, that is characteristic of intense inner spiritual focus. As the ego's dominance of perception recedes, so does the appearance of the world and the mind's interpretations. Decisions are based on projected perceptions. So, the mind perceives endless illusions, including classifications based on judgments. Those that are interpreted as "good" options are attractive to choice and agreement. Those that are interpreted as "bad' options are rejected. But really, what your interpreted perception of what is "good" option to you could be a "bad" option for me under the exact circumstances. It is all about the ego's perceptions.> > > > The pursuit of Enlightenment appears to be a very major decision with possible major impact on ordinary lifestyles. This may seem to be a source of worry or anxiety when it is first heard. In due time, resolution occurs as a consequence of recontextualization and a shift in values. What may be perceived as disruptive by the ego at a certain level of consciousness is not experienced as such at a much higher level. The Self manages the transition. Most questions about adjustments or seeming sacrifices do not take into consideration the power of decision itself, which increases in intensity as the barriers are removed. Devotion dissolves fears, doubts, and hesitation and clarifies uncertainty. Intention also becomes ever stronger as does trust in God. Then arises the inner decision to totally abandon oneself to God.> > Consciousness research has revealed a great deal of helpful information. It clarifies understanding and shifts the spiritual process. It is also confirmation of spiritual reality and its progressive experiences. The essential fundamental principles for spiritual endeavor are still those that are time-honored, such as devotion, humility, fortitude, willingness to surrender to God, and faith and trust in God. These are reinforced by dedication, prayer, and the supplication and invocation of God's Grace (Kundalini) by an act of the Spiritual Will. Although critical information about the ego and the levels of consciousness facilitates transformation, confirmation stems from the application of the fundamental spiritual principals described above. These are empowered by intention, which results in alignment and integration whereby the basic priciples become operative. Devotion is a consequence of allowance by the will. Complete and total surrender to> > God (as you, personally interpret God to be), can eclipse the process at any given point along the way. I like to clarify that when I say God, it is the God I interpret God to be, be it Allah, Krishna, Brahma, Christ.> > Naively, early spiritual seekers often expect that "becoming spiritual" will bring about a magical kind of childlike happiness by which they will be transported to a stress-free, heavenly condition of better quality and pleasure for self and others. This is certainly true if the transition is from low levels of consciousness to a higher levels of consciousness that is full of integrity where the rate of happiness does indeed rise very rapidly. To continue to evolve requires development of courage, determination, and the alignment of priorities as a consequence of intention and, eventually, commitment. If vicissitudes along the way are understood to be normal, they will not result in dismay.> > > > George> >>

[Guest guest]

Yes Elektra, I looked in the archives and Smilesforme posted this exact post word for word back in July. I don't know if it had anything to do with Pam though. I guess just copied off the net somewhere maybe.

Sarita

, Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote:>> I'm having a case of de ja vu, didn't Pam write this exact same article when she joined under a false name? Are you copy and pasting this from somewhere?> I'm having flash backs.....elektra x x x>

[Guest guest]

It's definitely Pam, I wrote to her and told her I knew it was her and since

then she dissapeared, now George is here, only speaking when left the

list for work if you notice.

That is her for sure, I'll bet my ascension on it!!!!

Dhyana said he sent her some very slanderous messages about and Pam

offlist.

love e x x x

when i have my period no one fools me.

 

 

--- On Sat, 6/9/08, Sarita <sarita1969 wrote:

 

> Sarita <sarita1969

> Re: The Obstacles of the Ego

>

> Saturday, 6 September, 2008, 6:19 PM

> Yes Elektra, I looked in the archives and Smilesforme posted

> this exact

> post word for word back in July. I don't know if it

> had anything to do

> with Pam though. I guess just copied off the net somewhere

> maybe.

>

> Sarita

>

>

> ,

> Elektra Fire

> <elektra.fire wrote:

> >

> > I'm having a case of de ja vu, didn't Pam

> write this exact same

> article when she joined under a false name? Are you copy

> and pasting

> this from somewhere?

> > I'm having flash backs.....elektra x x x

> >

[Guest guest]

Why are you screaming, George. That hurts my ears.

 

Blessings,

Linda

 

, George Clifford

<georgetheclifford wrote:

>

> What is your question John?

> George

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Why are you screaming, George. That hurts my ears.

 

I didn't even bother reading his long wordy posts and did

not have a good feeling about them. Again, we see another

full manifestation of the vulgar ego.

 

Thank you for looking out for us Chrism!

 

, " Linda "

<crazycats711 wrote:

>

> Why are you screaming, George. That hurts my ears.

>

> Blessings,

> Linda

>

> , George Clifford

> <georgetheclifford@> wrote:

> >

> > What is your question John?

> > George

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I googled " The Obstacles of the Ego " and found the following which I

thought was really cool.

 

 

@@@ I feel that making your ego an enemy is self-defeating

(literally). It divides yourself into two parts, a good part and a

bad part. This is a problem because duality is not the nature of

reality. You are one, whole being, and nothing useful can be learned

by pitting one part of yourself against another.

The heart is integrative. It is the interface between the soul and

the body, existing in both realms. The heart is the center of the

auric body, the body of light, and the etheric body, the body of

magnetic energy, as well as the physical and emotional bodies.

Instead of trying to weaken your ego, you should be trying to

strengthen your heart. Then your ego won't bother you at all — it

will serve your heart as a servant.@@@

 

I agree with this person.

 

Blessing,

Linda

 

 

 

, " alayafire "

<ari.reza wrote:

>

> , " Sarita "

> <sarita1969@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > LOL! Can you (or anyone) recommend some books that you found

> helpful on

> > the ego? I have read The Power of Now and have started A New

Earth.

> >

> > Sarita

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't bother to read pass the first one. I couldn't stand the

large print, couldn't stand the screaming. When a child throws a

temper tantrum I just ignore the child until it's gets over it, then

we can talk. LOL!

 

Linda

 

, " gypsyeyes_101 "

<gypsyeyes_101 wrote:

>

> > Why are you screaming, George. That hurts my ears.

>

> I didn't even bother reading his long wordy posts and did

> not have a good feeling about them. Again, we see another

> full manifestation of the vulgar ego.

>

> Thank you for looking out for us Chrism!

>

> , " Linda "

> <crazycats711@> wrote:

> >

> > Why are you screaming, George. That hurts my ears.

> >

> > Blessings,

> > Linda

> >

> > , George

Clifford

> > <georgetheclifford@> wrote:

> > >

> > > What is your question John?

> > > George

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

George, Whatever the source of this article, thank you for posting it

today. It is needed validation and a wonderful base for learning.

 

Anne

 

, George Clifford

<georgetheclifford wrote:

>

> ..

> Spirits incarnate into the Earth realm for one reason and one reason

alone...to raise their levels of consciousness. As Spirits incarnated,

humans live a life motivated by choices, activated by experiences all

the while ascending or descending in levels of consciousness. Each

incarnation presents oportunities for each and every incarnated Spirit

to raise their levels of conciousness higher than their present level

of conciousness. The higher the level of consciousness the closer to

the perfection of All that IS and the closer to the Truth of All that

IS. All the Spirits incarnated are given the same starting point with

their first incarnation, the same chances, no one is better, or has a

better shot, or given better circumstances. The initial incarnation is

the starting point, what choices are made in such incarnation will

depend on whether the incarnated spirit will ascend to the Heavenly

realm or inhabit the realms that preclude

> incarnation. It is through subjectivety that a human experience an

illusionary existence. It is through the teachings, the religions, and

social interaction that a human is presented with choices, these

choices will either enhance or hinder the level of conciousness of such

human. As the human continues the present existence the level of

conciousness will either go up or down. The lower the level of

conciousness the bigger the karmic propensities of such human and the

likelyhood of reincarnating. As I said before, humans incarnate with a

set level of conciousness such that if the original level of

consciousness is not maintained or transcended to a higher level the

Spirit must incarnate over and over again until a level of

consciousness has been reached that will allow the Spirit Self steadily

be in an attractor field that of the Celestial Realm. All Spirits

originate from the Heaven Reams and they are given the same oportunity

to return to

> such realm. The choices are simple, live a life that is Love based

as the context of All...in such forgiveness, lovingness, and compassion

are the dominant factors. Human exercising such simple existence will

reach a level of awareness that will transcend the need to depend so

emotionally with the ego/self. As such, the awareness will lead to a

willingness to surrender the ego/self/will to the Divine

Father/God/Godhead (however you interpreted the Divine to be). This

surrendering is motivated by love and only love.

> If the condition of Love does not exist in one self it can not be a

condition that the self can experience in others. If the condition of

forgiveness does not exist in one self it can not be a condition that

the self can experience from or towards others. If compassion for one

self does not exist it can not exist towards others. In so with the

just said, love, forgive and be compassionate with your(self) as in

doing so will create an impetus in others including your conciousness

level.

> You are here, in this incarnation, to raise your level of

conciousness, you will be in your next incarnation to raise your level

of conciousness and your next incarnation will be approached for the

same reason. Incarnation after incarnation until the level of

consciousness has been reached enough to meet the minimum allowable to

enter through the Heaven's gate. There are no short cuts, favors,

pleads, special breathings, offerings, yoga movements, pain or

sufferings, diet requirements, chantings, prayers, or Shaktipats

required. God, or how ever you interpret the Divine to be, does not

place a human in a situation requiring him/her to be prescribed to the

list of ego based falsities that I have mentioned in the previous

sentence.

>

>

> It is perception, an illusion that the ego/self creates for the mere

purpose of survival, an almost animal instint survival. The ego/self

does not live in the lovingness, forgiving and compassionate

states...it threatens its survival. Therefore, one needs to transcend

the ego/self first. Simple, very very simple. Live this existence in

the eternal present...in lovingness, forgiveness and compassion, pray

to the Divine God (or your preferred name for the Divine) for guidance,

question all and seek only the Truth. God is perfection.

> People have definite opinions about what is Karma and the question of

reincarnation is a favorite area for argument. All religions, however,

agree that the energy body, after physical death, goes on to a fate

determined by one's actions during the physical lifetime. Therefore,

the fate is determined primarily by the spiritual decisions and actions

that were made, with great importance given to intention,

responsibility and the presence of ones will.

> One's fate, obviously, will either be for the better or for the worse,

depending on the choices made by the person's " free " will. It is more

important to understand the factors that determine the fate of the

soul/energy body and its destiny after physical " death " . One's ultimate

fate is the automatic and impersonal consequence of the choices one

were presented with and the decisions made with the choices.. One's

fate after physical " death " is merely the inevitable, consequence of

one's own choice and not a reward or a punishment meted out arbitrarily

by some external figure, energy or power. This is the absolute justice

of God that guarantees absolute fairness and impartiality. Judgment is

therefore merely a semantic invention that serves as an explanation

from the presumption of the human mind, the ego.

> One's spiritual destiny is sealed and determined by one's own hand

and its actions, each person, with absolute fairness, determines their

own fate. Thus, God's justice is indeed perfectly self fulfilling.

Mankind then needs to take responsibility for its own fate and stop

blaming God, who has been much maligned. In reality, the Love of God,

like the sun, shines equally on all.

>

> There are some who hears and then there are some who will listen.

>

> Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is

comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software represents

the programming society as well as by one's own inherited influences.

The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the reality that the

human mind is incapable of discerning truth from falsehood. It has no

innate defense against utilization of its hardware to play any

introduced software program without prior approval, discernment, or

options of one's own will.

> Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware this

indicates a degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of

Reality by substitution of perception, distortion and the

misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great interest

is that every single action, feeling, or thought registers permanently

beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual field of

consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought, feeling or

action is forever identifiable.

>

> The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose

patterns leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's own

life. Out of the patterning of the vibrational track arises the forms

inherent in Karmic consequences of acts of one's own will. Naively,

personal consciousness identifies the self, with the body, the

ego/mind, and the emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result of

Karmic " merit " , the spiritual truth is heard and becomes inspirational.

>

>

> There is no such thing as " death " . Existence is like a recycling of

the Spirit Self from one incarnation to another. The Spirit leaves the

body even though the " flesh " is still " alive " . For instance, at the

split second before an impact of a car accident which is destined to

cause physical expiration the Spirit leaves the body. There is no pain,

it is all an illusion.

> The physicality is just a vehicle for the Spirit to conduct its

business of transcending levels of consciousness. The body is

disposable, it was not meant for anyone to identify with it nor to fear

" loosing " it for it was never theirs in the first place. In the same

way we look at the moon from afar we don't call it " My moon " we should

look at our physicality and call it " the body " not " my body " . If you

owned it you would take it with you, you " own " your Spirit and it is

what " you " only take with you.

>

>

> Love is a state of being. love is not an emotion. To want something

out of love means the love is an attachment. To love someone, truly

love someone it has to be unconditional, when we want something because

of love then it is conditional love. To love someone because what the

person looks like, acts like, owns, knows about, or how the person

performs sxually is not love it is a wanting, it is without a doubt an

attachment. When a person is in a state of love there is no

attachments, it is shared with no expectations of receiving, getting,

obtaining, or performance. When the receiving, getting, obtaining or

performance fall short of the expectations of the " love " that the

person thought was felt it looses its grip and most likely the

relationship ends. It is all ego based.

>

> The majority of experiences of being " in-love " represents the

condition that the ego/self is experiencing. The ego/self is being felt

good, validated, complimented, paid attention to or gifted to. The

ego/self feels incredible wanting to continue feeling this condition,

its the juice for the ego/self. Love in this level is a condition of

being and not a state of being. Once the juice of the emotional

attachment and the reality of what the recipient is really experiencing

becomes clear that's when love becomes a chaotic emotionality, and that

emotionality turns from a feel good emotion to a not so feel good

emotion. This is when love is labeled as an emotion, it is not the

actual love that is the emotion but all the attached feelings to love.

Love as an emotion is illusionary.

>

> There is no love " out there " , there is no love to find or get...love

is an existing state of being, love is within not without. Love cannot

be radiated. It is through your Higher Self that true love is first

experienced, putting aside all physicality, sxual performances,

compliments, expectations anything that has to do with the

identification with the ego/self. It is in that moment when you see a

person in whatever form and you are compelled to look again, and again,

without lust. True love emerges from the Higher Self, I suggest everyone

have a serious conversation with their own Higher Self and see if what

they think they are experiencing is love or not, you might be surprised

in the difference between what the ego/self thinks and what the Higher

Self is actually experiencing. The Higher Self only knows Truth, the

Higher Self does not know illusions. Love is nonlinear, there is no

falsity in the nonlinear, only Truth. Perhaps that

> certain person you are so eager to have a relationship with is not

really the right match for you, or the person you are admiring because

of the physicality, potentiality in sxual performance, or already

expressed sxual performance might also not be the right person for you.

Or, perhaps, next time you " utter " to anyone the words " I love you " ,

stop and really look within and feel what IS within. Perhaps uttering

such words is really the ego/self saying " don't leave me " , " hey, I am

here, don't forget me " , " I am important too " , " I want what you have " ,

" I have something you need to know " , endless egotistical list. The

Higher Self only experiences Love in its truest form, it doesn't care

how good the intended is in bed, how hot she/he looks, how much money

she/he makes or what kind of car it is driven. The ego/self does care

if the intended falls short in sxual performance, the attention is

curtailed, the importance is diminished, the gifts

> stopped, the phone calls are not as frequent, the hotness is not so

hot anymore, the bank account dries up, the job gets lost, or the car

crashes. Where does the ego/self go from there? Resentment. Then love

gets the blame as being painful.

>

> The entire perceptual illusion that the ego claims to be reality is

completely and totally the product of positionality. This is very

important to unravel and understand in one's own experiential awareness.

If you observe carefully you will note that at the time the mind is

taking a position, that position stems from choice, training, desire,

emotions, etc. The ego/mind is limited to perceptually created, linear

sequential logic, abstractions, and the use of words, concepts, and

symbols. The matrix of the comprehension afforded by intellection is

actually an epistemological position that relies primarily on

definitions. Thus, it is definition itself that is the very crux of the

impediment. Definition is an artifice, an agree upon symbolism

displayed as verbal or auditory syntax so that it will have a

communicable, specific and limited meaning. Language is as useful as it

is precise.

> To define, we have to deal in abstract categories of thought. We

specify class, genus, and species. Thus, verbalization and languaging

result in careful, progressive, limitation from class to genus to

species to particular individual. Language and concepts consist of

very limited, distinct forms. Although this generality is easy to see,

it is more far reaching and subtle in its effects than can easily

described. At the very basis of the limitation of thinking, mind/logic

is the fact, as pointed out by Korzypsk, that a symbol or a word is not

the same thing as that which is denotes (e.g. the map is not the

territory).

>

> A speck of dust cannot be where it is positioned without air currents,

which require a room, which requires a building, a lot, a continent, a

planet, a solar system, a galaxy, a universe, and so on. All statements

made by the mind is subjective. There is no linear progression of

events, sequences or causations. All shines forth as it is in its

expression of existence. All is self-existence and therefore not

dependent on anything outside itself.

>

> The ego/mind and its emotions and feelings are strong and habitual.

Thus, it takes more than just a good idea to " get spiritual " in order to

transcend them. The force of instincts and negative emotions belongs

to vey low levels of consciousness. When an individual has very low

level of consciousness, there is the experiencing of life processes, but

there is not yet conscious awareness of existence. Thus, a frog

experinces frog life but it is not aware yet that it is or has existence

or beingness. It could be said that life is not valued for its own sake

in low levels of consciousness, and therefore, the worth of the lives of

others (including the worth of their spiritual journey) for its own sake

either. It is only when the individual achieve higher levels of

consciousness that true concern for the well-being, and value of the

lives of others, including the worth and value of their spiritual

journey really arises. In an individual with low levels

> of consciousness, the lifestyle is self-centered.

> So the question is " Would the overall consequences of intense inner

spiritual focus tend to result in detachment and noninvolvement in the

world? " As a general trend, that is characteristic of intense inner

spiritual focus. As the ego's dominance of perception recedes, so does

the appearance of the world and the mind's interpretations. Decisions

are based on projected perceptions. So, the mind perceives endless

illusions, including classifications based on judgments. Those that are

interpreted as " good " options are attractive to choice and agreement.

Those that are interpreted as " bad' options are rejected. But really,

what your interpreted perception of what is " good " option to you could

be a " bad " option for me under the exact circumstances. It is all about

the ego's perceptions.

>

> The pursuit of Enlightenment appears to be a very major decision with

possible major impact on ordinary lifestyles. This may seem to be a

source of worry or anxiety when it is first heard. In due time,

resolution occurs as a consequence of recontextualization and a shift in

values. What may be perceived as disruptive by the ego at a certain

level of consciousness is not experienced as such at a much higher

level. The Self manages the transition. Most questions about

adjustments or seeming sacrifices do not take into consideration the

power of decision itself, which increases in intensity as the barriers

are removed. Devotion dissolves fears, doubts, and hesitation and

clarifies uncertainty. Intention also becomes ever stronger as does

trust in God. Then arises the inner decision to totally abandon oneself

to God.

> Consciousness research has revealed a great deal of helpful

information. It clarifies understanding and shifts the spiritual

process. It is also confirmation of spiritual reality and its

progressive experiences. The essential fundamental principles for

spiritual endeavor are still those that are time-honored, such as

devotion, humility, fortitude, willingness to surrender to God, and

faith and trust in God. These are reinforced by dedication, prayer, and

the supplication and invocation of God's Grace (Kundalini) by an act of

the Spiritual Will. Although critical information about the ego and

the levels of consciousness facilitates transformation, confirmation

stems from the application of the fundamental spiritual principals

described above. These are empowered by intention, which results in

alignment and integration whereby the basic priciples become operative.

Devotion is a consequence of allowance by the will. Complete and total

surrender to

> God (as you, personally interpret God to be), can eclipse the process

at any given point along the way. I like to clarify that when I say

God, it is the God I interpret God to be, be it Allah, Krishna, Brahma,

Christ.

> Naively, early spiritual seekers often expect that " becoming

spiritual " will bring about a magical kind of childlike happiness by

which they will be transported to a stress-free, heavenly condition of

better quality and pleasure for self and others. This is certainly true

if the transition is from low levels of consciousness to a higher levels

of consciousness that is full of integrity where the rate of happiness

does indeed rise very rapidly. To continue to evolve requires

development of courage, determination, and the alignment of priorities

as a consequence of intention and, eventually, commitment. If

vicissitudes along the way are understood to be normal, they will not

result in dismay.

>

> George

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Linda!

 

 

, " Linda "

<crazycats711 wrote:

>

> I googled " The Obstacles of the Ego " and found the following which I

> thought was really cool.

>

>

> @@@ I feel that making your ego an enemy is self-defeating

> (literally). It divides yourself into two parts, a good part and a

> bad part. This is a problem because duality is not the nature of

> reality. You are one, whole being, and nothing useful can be learned

> by pitting one part of yourself against another.

> The heart is integrative. It is the interface between the soul and

> the body, existing in both realms. The heart is the center of the

> auric body, the body of light, and the etheric body, the body of

> magnetic energy, as well as the physical and emotional bodies.

> Instead of trying to weaken your ego, you should be trying to

> strengthen your heart. Then your ego won't bother you at all — it

> will serve your heart as a servant.@@@

>

> I agree with this person.

>

> Blessing,

> Linda

>

>

>

> , " alayafire "

> <ari.reza@> wrote:

> >

> > , " Sarita "

> > <sarita1969@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > LOL! Can you (or anyone) recommend some books that you found

> > helpful on

> > > the ego? I have read The Power of Now and have started A New

> Earth.

> > >

> > > Sarita

> >

>

[Guest guest]

While I was privately speculating on the " real "

identity of George myself, something deeper within me said " Who

cares who s/he is ... the real function of this being is to serve as a

reflection of the KAS-1 collective shadow. "

I thought it somewhat risky to post this suggestion ... because this

particular shadow is so deeply buried in some of us that we may be

tempted to be offended by the suggestion. But it was such an interesting

thought I couldn't resist sharing it and seeing what ideas come

up.

Brandi

[Guest guest]

Lovely Paula, I agree, everyone is welcome but they have to do the work on

themselves not point the finger at others over and over and over again like

banging the head in to a wall.

She really is a wonderful person deep inside , I would personally love to see

this resolved.

HUGS and LOVE

elektra x x x

 

> The use of the fonts that flow one into another feels

> feminine.

>

> There is a thin line between love and hate,

> an attatchment is evident.

> You are attracted here.

> You feel the Shakti's flow here.

> Why not try to resolve what Is going on..that's what we

> all work at.

>

> Talk to us , resistance and war works for no-one ,lets

> embrace it.

> Paula

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Agreed Brandi :-))

For sure

e x x x

 

>

> I thought it somewhat risky to post this suggestion ...

> because this particular shadow is so deeply buried in some

> of us that we may be tempted to be offended by the

> suggestion. But it was such an interesting thought I

> couldn't resist sharing it and seeing what ideas come

> up.

>

> Brandi

[Guest guest]

George probably comess from a group of disruptives who go about

trying to close down groups with a new age or similar philosophy what

they do is send an infiltrator in and post there findings on there

own groups for discusion. i warned Chris of these people several

years ago and at this stage i havent been able to remember the

address of these groups one of the groups leaders goes by the name

noby though it is spelt with special charactors and have not been

able to do a search as i dont remember what charactors they were,

they could be on my old hard drive as i have recentlty had to update

the computer.

all the best

John

, " alayafire "

<ari.reza wrote:

>

> ***While I was privately speculating on the " real " identity of

George

> myself, something deeper within me said " Who cares who s/he is ...

the

> real function of this being is to serve as a reflection of the KAS-

1

> collective shadow. " Brandi***

>

> That's my belief to Brandi,

> This list is unique,and I think we are all

> functioning with syncronicity,

> I want to reflect what I've learned here.

> paula..

>

[Guest guest]

Hi John, do you know why they do this?

Sarita

, "johndplumber" <jaganatha wrote:>> George probably comess from a group of disruptives who go about > trying to close down groups with a new age or similar philosophy what > they do is send an infiltrator in and post there findings on there > own groups for discusion. i warned Chris of these people several > years ago and at this stage i havent been able to remember the > address of these groups one of the groups leaders goes by the name > noby though it is spelt with special charactors and have not been > able to do a search as i dont remember what charactors they were, > they could be on my old hard drive as i have recentlty had to update > the computer.> all the best > John

[Guest guest]

Absolutely, I agree. We all have a shadow aspect and this group as a collective probably does too. I would think this group would more than many other groups of people because of the K. We might go through certain experiences as a group as well as individually. Good thought Brandi!

Sarita

, Brandi Jasmine <jazztalk wrote:>> While I was privately speculating on the "real" identity of George myself, something deeper within me said "Who cares who s/he is ... the real function of this being is to serve as a reflection of the KAS-1 collective shadow." > > I thought it somewhat risky to post this suggestion ... because this particular shadow is so deeply buried in some of us that we may be tempted to be offended by the suggestion. But it was such an interesting thought I couldn't resist sharing it and seeing what ideas come up.> > Brandi>

[Guest guest]

Absolutely, I agree. We all have a shadow aspect and this group as a collective probably does too. I would think this group would more than many other groups of people because of the K. We might go through certain experiences as a group as well as individually. Good thought Brandi!

Sarita

, Brandi Jasmine <jazztalk wrote:>> While I was privately speculating on the "real" identity of George myself, something deeper within me said "Who cares who s/he is ... the real function of this being is to serve as a reflection of the KAS-1 collective shadow." > > I thought it somewhat risky to post this suggestion ... because this particular shadow is so deeply buried in some of us that we may be tempted to be offended by the suggestion. But it was such an interesting thought I couldn't resist sharing it and seeing what ideas come up.> > Brandi>

[Guest guest]

Hi John, do you know why they do this?

Sarita

, "johndplumber" <jaganatha wrote:>> George probably comess from a group of disruptives who go about > trying to close down groups with a new age or similar philosophy what > they do is send an infiltrator in and post there findings on there > own groups for discusion. i warned Chris of these people several > years ago and at this stage i havent been able to remember the > address of these groups one of the groups leaders goes by the name > noby though it is spelt with special charactors and have not been > able to do a search as i dont remember what charactors they were, > they could be on my old hard drive as i have recentlty had to update > the computer.> all the best > John