Kundalini Seniors... or upstart juniors

[Guest guest]

> For those who have had Kundalini for some time now feel free to add

> your feelings and thoughts. There are more than a few of you here

> and your wisdoms and experiences are valuable so if you feel the

> expressive desire please know your thoughts and experiences will be

> respected and appreciated. -

 

while I'm not overly old physically (29 at this writing), speaking as

a person who has experienced the " positive interference " of kundalini

to some degree or another since he was 14, much of that time neither

having any idea about his condition or the support of anyone

knowledgeable or sympathetic, I'm continually surprised by the number

of people who seem eager for the experience. and seemingly oblivious

to the fact that this " intelligent energy " has its own agenda, which

is not evil, but is also not what we would consider " human " much less

personally-beneficial. except in a very limited sense, you cannot

" use " it; on the contrary it will use you, your mind, skills, talents,

and when you would attempt either to control it or to identify the ego

with it, nothing but suffering and psychological hardship will result.

you are lucky to have chrism and other folks to assist and offer the

benefit of experience, but I would urge anyone to ask themselves if

they really want this. it is not an amusement, curiosity or trendy

thing to do nor a competition in spirituality nor a way to gain

talents or enhance aspects of your life or character in ego-pleasing

ways; you are playing with the forces of life, with long-term

implications therein. we would do well to respect it as such.

 

also I would like to say there is a lifetime of difference between

experiencing a state of awareness passively and actually being able to

function in and stabilize that state. we may experience bliss and

temporary exaltations of consciousness on a regular basis, but

Kundalini's aim insofar as I understand it, and intent, is that we

rise, gradually, fully awake, alive, and without chemical aid, in full

consciousness, into higher states of awareness permanently, in the

process enhancing rather than escaping our ability to function in the

moment here-and-now through expanded understanding.

 

I am sorry if this sounds harsh, inflated or overly intellectual;

whatever its deficiencies, it is the honest view of someone who has

gone far enough to come to terms with some of the implications.

-brian

[Guest guest]

Yes so i ask, is the shakti who is realy is to become " I am "

Though shakti cannot become I. Because I belongs to Shiva (the

ultimate Ego) which is static conciousness whithout Shakti. The

lessor ego has no permanence nor does shakti care for it though will

use it as her vehicle towards realisation of the Ultimate Ego.

Om para shakti namaha

John

, " a_seventh_son "

<a_seventh_son wrote:

>

> > For those who have had Kundalini for some time now feel free to

add

> > your feelings and thoughts. There are more than a few of you here

> > and your wisdoms and experiences are valuable so if you feel the

> > expressive desire please know your thoughts and experiences will

be

> > respected and appreciated. -

>

> while I'm not overly old physically (29 at this writing), speaking

as

> a person who has experienced the " positive interference " of

kundalini

> to some degree or another since he was 14, much of that time neither

> having any idea about his condition or the support of anyone

> knowledgeable or sympathetic, I'm continually surprised by the

number

> of people who seem eager for the experience. and seemingly

oblivious

> to the fact that this " intelligent energy " has its own agenda, which

> is not evil, but is also not what we would consider " human " much

less

> personally-beneficial. except in a very limited sense, you cannot

> " use " it; on the contrary it will use you, your mind, skills,

talents,

> and when you would attempt either to control it or to identify the

ego

> with it, nothing but suffering and psychological hardship will

result.

> you are lucky to have chrism and other folks to assist and offer

the

> benefit of experience, but I would urge anyone to ask themselves if

> they really want this. it is not an amusement, curiosity or trendy

> thing to do nor a competition in spirituality nor a way to gain

> talents or enhance aspects of your life or character in ego-pleasing

> ways; you are playing with the forces of life, with long-term

> implications therein. we would do well to respect it as such.

>

> also I would like to say there is a lifetime of difference between

> experiencing a state of awareness passively and actually being able

to

> function in and stabilize that state. we may experience bliss and

> temporary exaltations of consciousness on a regular basis, but

> Kundalini's aim insofar as I understand it, and intent, is that we

> rise, gradually, fully awake, alive, and without chemical aid, in

full

> consciousness, into higher states of awareness permanently, in the

> process enhancing rather than escaping our ability to function in

the

> moment here-and-now through expanded understanding.

>

> I am sorry if this sounds harsh, inflated or overly intellectual;

> whatever its deficiencies, it is the honest view of someone who has

> gone far enough to come to terms with some of the implications.

> -brian

>

[Guest guest]

It takes two to become one John here in the dual expression. How that

is divided or parceled is not material for me. " I Am " is all that

there is. imho - blessings and love my friend - chrism

 

, " johndplumber "

<jaganatha wrote:

>

> Yes so i ask, is the shakti who is realy is to become " I am "

>

[Guest guest]

God exists within each and everyone and by himself, the uncreated Creator who does not depend on anything or anyone; therefore I am who I am.......................

Julie--- On Sat, 9/20/08, chrism <> wrote:

<> Re: Kundalini Seniors... or upstart juniors Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 8:11 PM

 

 

It takes two to become one John here in the dual expression. How that is divided or parceled is not material for me. "I Am" is all that there is. imho - blessings and love my friend - chrismKundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "johndplumber" <jaganatha@. ..> wrote:>> Yes so i ask, is the shakti who is realy is to become "I am">

[Guest guest]

Hi Chrism

That is wonderful and in your case I belive if you are not there

as yet you are indeed close. I have always respected you in this way.

 

With much love.

John

PS. Thankyou for answering the question.

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> It takes two to become one John here in the dual expression. How that

> is divided or parceled is not material for me. " I Am " is all that

> there is. imho - blessings and love my friend - chrism

>

> , " johndplumber "

> <jaganatha@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes so i ask, is the shakti who is realy is to become " I am "

> >

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