Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Does kundalini amplify beliefs as well as the emotions? Meaning if a person doesn't believe in God then their risen K would not take them to God realization, but only what they are believing for their K to take them to. So if you are not expecting K to do anything, when it rises nothing much has changed except that you are not your own any longer but belong to K and you have to do whatever it wants of you, since you have no expectations. ??? Is that the way it works? It amplifies whatever you believe and feel? If this is so then K would amplify both the light and dark, the good and evil knowledge...whatever you believe. If a person only believe there is good/light and that evil/dark was an illusion, would that person only experience good/light? LOL! Since I am a christian and have given the whole of my life to Christ to do with as he sees fit and am being guided by Him and the Holy Spirit, how would that fit into K? The way I see it my life is not mine any longer to surrender to K, but only if it is Jesus Christ willS for me to do so. If K is my feminine self, then it (K) has already been totally surrendered to Christ. It doesn't make sense to me to surrender the rest of myself to something that is a part of myself. If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself and K is is coiled in the every lowest of these chakras, why would a person want that lower base part to rule over your whole being? These questions is what has come from my getting into learning about the shadow. After learning about the shadow, I am not sure of anything anymore, again! Not for sure now if I should be participating in this shakipat. It would depend a lot how my questions here are answered... I did ask Jesus to take away everything a week or so ago(the phenomena and all), if this is not of Him.. nothing has changed, except when scatterfield started, my K settled down somewhat. Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Linda, For me, the chakras represent emotions, attitudes, and behaviors. When one is out of balance, they are not "whirring" along, like the hum of a finely tuned engine that only operates well when all of it's parts are working together. I practice yoga to keep all these chakras open and balanced. If my naval point is weak, I am weak and cannot make decisions, and let people run over me. If my third eye is not open, I lose my intuitiiveness, and awareness. If my throat center is blocked, I cannot speak my truth. If my 7th chakra is not open, I cannot receive the love that God is showering down on me. If my second chakra is too active, I become overly focused on s@x, and am taken away from purpose. If my base chakra is out of whack, I am too "earthy", and away from my crown. So I practice yoga to keep all these balanced and working properly. It is the ONLY physcial thing that works for me, other than just walking meditation. The yoga allows me to focus on a particular area of my life and emotions. For me, when all the chakras are balanced and whirring away, then the kundalini rises and opens the final channel to allow bliss to flow. (love from the Divine) And I am truly a child of God. What we think about does amplify, so we are advised to keep our thoughts on whatever is pure, good, and truth. That is where I have to go help someone else, to take the focus of "poor little me". Because there is always someone to give you the gift of gratitude. I have always been Christian in my faith, but I believe that God has revealed MORE with the gift of kundalini and yoga. I have a feeling we will be reading many posts in the next few days. You are all in my thoughts and prayers as I look at your pictueres. I look at your eyes. There is a reason asks for a good shot of eyes. The are the window to the soul. Love to all.--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Linda <crazycats711@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Hello Linda. - Please see below separated by @@ , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > Does kundalini amplify beliefs as well as the emotions? @@ Yes as beliefs are often emotional in their expressive nature. We attach emotions to them in order to feel and develop a safe environment about having them. Great zeal can come to a persons belief system and a yearning to share it with all as the Kundalini amplifies the qualities of the belief system that resonate so well with the individual having them.@@ Meaning if a > person doesn't believe in God then their risen K would not take them > to God realization, but only what they are believing for their K to > take them to. @@ The belief in God or a realization of a force of God or divinity will typically come regardless. To a person that doesnt have a belief in the divine it will merely be interpreted as that person can best interpret it and within the parameters that they can have cinfidence in. The phenomena is still there. The feelings are still there. The energetic interaction is still there.@@ So if you are not expecting K to do anything, when it > rises nothing much has changed except that you are not your own any > longer but belong to K and you have to do whatever it wants of you, > since you have no expectations. ??? @@ When Kundalini comes it is most often a surprise for the individual. In our populations anyway. So they resist it. Choice is always an option Linda. you as if you are a slave. No choices are taken away from you. Kunfdalini nbhas an agenda and it will do what it needs to do inside of what it determines that individual can have with " itself the Kundalini " . Yes for those who nwish to have a positive interaction meaning less of a hardhip oriented interaction surrender is the best way to go. But you can still resist if you wish! Surrender is a choice. Whether or not a person expects the Kundalini to do this or that it will still follow its agenda and that may inculed this or that. Belief is not required. Mental validation is not required the ego mind will merely attach certain qualities to the strange behavior or will try to eradicate it as done in this country.@@ > > Is that the way it works? @@ There is no " one way " axcept that an agenda is demonstrated by the Kundalini. We choose many different variations of interaction with the Kundalini. Some follow belief systems others follow inner guidance others follow fear. There are many ways of interaction.@@ It amplifies whatever you believe and feel? > If this is so then K would amplify both the light and dark, the good > and evil knowledge...whatever you believe. @@ Yes it can amplify both ends of duality. We can choose which aspect of our natures we wish to operate from in regards to the Kundalini. This is why it comes to those (in many cases) who are involved in a spiritual belief system. That we can come into this with a more expanded consciousness that can allow these changes broght by Kundalini to occur. If that belief system has an availability of acceptance and understanding for it. @@ If a person only believe > there is good/light and that evil/dark was an illusion, would that > person only experience good/light? LOL! @@ Their belief system would be anhanced by the Kundalini.@@ > > Since I am a christian and have given the whole of my life to Christ > to do with as he sees fit and am being guided by Him and the Holy > Spirit, how would that fit into K? @@ Christ has given you the experience of the Kundalini. It is his divine interaction with you. Every step you have taken has been in association with Christ in this regard yes? Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, Holy Fire, Fire of Christ. Godfire. You choose the description. You choose the application of your belief system. Kundalini is in all of them. If you were given the name of the Kundalini as Fire of Christ and it was believed and supported by the Christian masses you would have no problem I would guess. These questions would be resolved with the idea that it is " The will of Christ " . Yet because it is a strange sounding Sanskrit name and it isnt understood by the Masses of Christianity it is different and there fore harder to grasp. God is in all things. Goodness and its opposite are in all things here in duality. It is how we choose to express that allows us to evolve in either direction. God is in Kundalini. Christ is in Kundalini. It is a bridge to these divine interactions not only with heavenly personage but with ourself and the divinity in all of creation. Kundalini isnt an accident. It is there with in us all waiting for the right time to bloom.@@ The way I see it my life is not > mine any longer to surrender to K, but only if it is Jesus Christ > willS for me to do so. If K is my feminine self, then it (K) has > already been totally surrendered to Christ. It doesn't make sense to > me to surrender the rest of myself to something that is a part of > myself. If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself and > K is is coiled in the every lowest of these chakras, why would a > person want that lower base part to rule over your whole being? @@ Do you feel that surrendering to Christ takes away your choices? Is that the reason for the surrender? Christ and Kundalini are aspects of the divine inheritance we all have and it goes the same for Buddhists and Islamists and Zoroastrianists, Hindu and Shamanic cultures. Different cultures have different names for the same divine inheritance. " If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself..... " This is not an accurate understanding of chakras or the myriad of dynamics with in them. This is a way of training a discilpine. Giving meaning to a discipline rather than meaning to understanding. It is a simplified assesment of explaining to those unable to understand " yet " the many components of the chakra system. It is good for the training except when we allocate certain absolutist definintions to these explanations. There are positive and negative aspects of all of the chakras. This allows for the expression of choice and the manifestation of a spectrum of available experiential interaction with life. So the chakra can be seen as both positive and negative. Both good and evil. It depends upon how " we " choose to express through them that will attentuate the chakra towards or away from certain expressions. The first three are beautiful whirling stars of light! my assumption - lol. As are the other chakras. Because they are working with parts of the body that are seen and understood as being " lower " does not make them so. It is just an interpreatation assigned by people for a specific reason or agenda. Kundalini is at the base chakra does that make it a base development? Does placement and or location decide the quality of an expression on the spine? No it doesnt in my understanding s of it. So once again we come to our choices. I will not go into all of the chakra dynamics here in this post. We can be at ease I feel for the moment in understanding the responsibilities we have as beings who can " chooses " right from wrong as it is understood in the culture we live in.@@ > > These questions is what has come from my getting into learning about > the shadow. After learning about the shadow, I am not sure of > anything anymore, again! Not for sure now if I should be > participating in this shakipat. It would depend a lot how my > questions here are answered... @@ Feel for yourself how this is or is not appropriate for you Linda. Let your connection to Christ help you. Let your surrender to the Christ guide you as it has always guided you. Remember your experiences. These were more than phenomena they were teachings. The Shadow is only bad or evil if you want it to be. You have choice. You have the opportunity to decide for yourself. You have excellent guidance and I am confident in your discernment. > > I did ask Jesus to take away everything a week or so ago(the > phenomena and all), if this is not of Him.. nothing has changed, > except when scatterfield started, my K settled down somewhat. @@ What edoes that tell you? LOL & blessings Linda! - chrism > > Linda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Thank you Julie for the info on the chakras. To tell you the truth, before this year, my heart chakra has been the only one I could sense " whirring " . LOL! I can sense them all now, some not quite as defined as others, though. Linda , Julie <jewelport wrote: > > Linda, > For me, the chakras represent emotions, attitudes, and behaviors. When one is out of balance, they are not " whirring " along, like the hum of a finely tuned engine that only operates well when all of it's parts are working together. I practice yoga to keep all these chakras open and balanced. If my naval point is weak, I am weak and cannot make decisions, and let people run over me. If my third eye is not open, I lose my intuitiiveness, and awareness. If my throat center is blocked, I cannot speak my truth. If my 7th chakra is not open, I cannot receive the love that God is showering down on me. If my second chakra is too active, I become overly focused on s@x, and am taken away from purpose. If my base chakra is out of whack, I am too " earthy " , and away from my crown. So I practice yoga to keep all these balanced and working properly. It is the ONLY physcial thing that works for me, other than just walking meditation. The yoga > allows me to focus on a particular area of my life and emotions. For me, when all the chakras are balanced and whirring away, then the kundalini rises and opens the final channel to allow bliss to flow. (love from the Divine) And I am truly a child of God. What we think about does amplify, so we are advised to keep our thoughts on whatever is pure, good, and truth. That is where I have to go help someone else, to take the focus of " poor little me " . Because there is always someone to give you the gift of gratitude. I have always been Christian in my faith, but I believe that God has revealed MORE with the gift of kundalini and yoga. > > I have a feeling we will be reading many posts in the next few days. You are all in my thoughts and prayers as I look at your pictueres. I look at your eyes. There is a reason asks for a good shot of eyes. The are the window to the soul. > > Love to all. > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, Linda <crazycats711@ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Chrism, I am so sorry it has taken me so long to relpy back to this. I am very deeply grateful for your taking time for me and you have set my mind at ease on a lot here. I know it " seems " so cut and dry that it is Christ's will for me to be going through this. It would be so great if Jesus would just speak to me like he did in the beginning, but the problem is surely on my part. I don't know the reason why. I went from being this super happy person totally content with my christian life, my church family, serving at every oppretunity. Pretty much the way Katherine is right now. Really on fire and loving every minute of it. Then one day it was all gone, everything. the church desolved a way and was no more, everyone went their own way. On top of that James lost his job he had for 17 years and went into a deep depression over it. I ended up having to go to work to keep us from losing everthing. When I prayed it was like praying to a blank wall. When I read the bible it was flat, it no longer feed my spirit. I threw myself into work until I became to sick to work. Many day I worked 20 hours a day, just so I would not have time to think. Then when I go sick I spent many hours trying to find out how to get myself well. Went through 3 car wrecks during those years too. The only highlight of my life was my grandson coming into the picture. Even that was tainted as far as my christian friends where concerned. I felt cursed. I withdrew from the world and became a hermit. Not for spiritual purposes at first anyways, the look in people's eyes was just too painful. During the healing process, I took up meditation and love it until the OBE's and stuff began happening, although I didn't relate them to doing meditation at the time. I just thought I was being curse with demons now. LOL! I did have some good OBEs though, one that I did not even want to return from. I still haven't got the closeness I once had to God back again, but it has improved somewhat. Well it seemed so at the beginning of the year. Not so sure anymore. Nothing about my life means much to me without, not even kundalini. I do not know where I got the crazy ideas about the lower chakras, something I read somewhere I guess. LOL! Strange. I am not ready to deal with my shadow side, for 30 years now it has been put do death at the cross of Christ along with the good side as well. That old me is no more, I have been believing all these years I was raised a new me in Christ Jesus. I have not even considered this new me as having a shadow side! I do remember my shadow self well though. It was in control over the good me for about 5 years when the good me got injured to the point it could not function. I don't know how this shadow stuff applies to me right now. I am feeling a lot better and will continue with the Shaktipat, if it's OK with you. Love you a whole big bunch, Linda , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Hello Linda. - Please see below separated by @@ > > > > , " Linda " > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > Does kundalini amplify beliefs as well as the emotions? > > @@ Yes as beliefs are often emotional in their expressive nature. We > attach emotions to them in order to feel and develop a safe > environment about having them. Great zeal can come to a persons > belief system and a yearning to share it with all as the Kundalini > amplifies the qualities of the belief system that resonate so well > with the individual having them.@@ > > > Meaning if a > > person doesn't believe in God then their risen K would not take > them > > to God realization, but only what they are believing for their K > to > > take them to. > > @@ The belief in God or a realization of a force of God or divinity > will typically come regardless. To a person that doesnt have a > belief in the divine it will merely be interpreted as that person > can best interpret it and within the parameters that they can have > cinfidence in. The phenomena is still there. The feelings are still > there. The energetic interaction is still there.@@ > > So if you are not expecting K to do anything, when it > > rises nothing much has changed except that you are not your own > any > > longer but belong to K and you have to do whatever it wants of > you, > > since you have no expectations. ??? > > @@ When Kundalini comes it is most often a surprise for the > individual. In our populations anyway. So they resist it. Choice is > always an option Linda. you as if you are a slave. No choices are > taken away from you. Kunfdalini nbhas an agenda and it will do what > it needs to do inside of what it determines that individual can have > with " itself the Kundalini " . > > Yes for those who nwish to have a positive interaction meaning less > of a hardhip oriented interaction surrender is the best way to go. > But you can still resist if you wish! Surrender is a choice. > > Whether or not a person expects the Kundalini to do this or that it > will still follow its agenda and that may inculed this or that. > Belief is not required. Mental validation is not required the ego > mind will merely attach certain qualities to the strange behavior or > will try to eradicate it as done in this country.@@ > > > > Is that the way it works? > > @@ There is no " one way " axcept that an agenda is demonstrated by > the Kundalini. We choose many different variations of interaction > with the Kundalini. Some follow belief systems others follow inner > guidance others follow fear. There are many ways of interaction.@@ > > > It amplifies whatever you believe and feel? > > If this is so then K would amplify both the light and dark, the > good > > and evil knowledge...whatever you believe. > > @@ Yes it can amplify both ends of duality. We can choose which > aspect of our natures we wish to operate from in regards to the > Kundalini. This is why it comes to those (in many cases) who are > involved in a spiritual belief system. That we can come into this > with a more expanded consciousness that can allow these changes > broght by Kundalini to occur. If that belief system has an > availability of acceptance and understanding for it. @@ > > > If a person only believe > > there is good/light and that evil/dark was an illusion, would that > > person only experience good/light? LOL! > > @@ Their belief system would be anhanced by the Kundalini.@@ > > > > Since I am a christian and have given the whole of my life to > Christ > > to do with as he sees fit and am being guided by Him and the Holy > > Spirit, how would that fit into K? > > @@ Christ has given you the experience of the Kundalini. It is his > divine interaction with you. Every step you have taken has been in > association with Christ in this regard yes? > > Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, Holy Fire, Fire of Christ. Godfire. You > choose the description. You choose the application of your belief > system. Kundalini is in all of them. > > If you were given the name of the Kundalini as Fire of Christ and it > was believed and supported by the Christian masses you would have no > problem I would guess. These questions would be resolved with the > idea that it is " The will of Christ " . > > Yet because it is a strange sounding Sanskrit name and it isnt > understood by the Masses of Christianity it is different and there > fore harder to grasp. > > God is in all things. Goodness and its opposite are in all things > here in duality. It is how we choose to express that allows us to > evolve in either direction. God is in Kundalini. Christ is in > Kundalini. It is a bridge to these divine interactions not only with > heavenly personage but with ourself and the divinity in all of > creation. Kundalini isnt an accident. It is there with in us all > waiting for the right time to bloom.@@ > > The way I see it my life is not > > mine any longer to surrender to K, but only if it is Jesus Christ > > willS for me to do so. If K is my feminine self, then it (K) has > > already been totally surrendered to Christ. It doesn't make sense > to > > me to surrender the rest of myself to something that is a part of > > myself. If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself > and > > K is is coiled in the every lowest of these chakras, why would a > > person want that lower base part to rule over your whole being? > > @@ Do you feel that surrendering to Christ takes away your choices? > Is that the reason for the surrender? Christ and Kundalini are > aspects of the divine inheritance we all have and it goes the same > for Buddhists and Islamists and Zoroastrianists, Hindu and Shamanic > cultures. Different cultures have different names for the same > divine inheritance. > > " If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself..... " > > This is not an accurate understanding of chakras or the myriad of > dynamics with in them. This is a way of training a discilpine. > Giving meaning to a discipline rather than meaning to understanding. > It is a simplified assesment of explaining to those unable to > understand " yet " the many components of the chakra system. It is > good for the training except when we allocate certain absolutist > definintions to these explanations. > > There are positive and negative aspects of all of the chakras. This > allows for the expression of choice and the manifestation of a > spectrum of available experiential interaction with life. So the > chakra can be seen as both positive and negative. Both good and > evil. It depends upon how " we " choose to express through them that > will attentuate the chakra towards or away from certain expressions. > > The first three are beautiful whirling stars of light! my > assumption - lol. > > As are the other chakras. Because they are working with parts of the > body that are seen and understood as being " lower " does not make > them so. It is just an interpreatation assigned by people for a > specific reason or agenda. > > Kundalini is at the base chakra does that make it a base > development? Does placement and or location decide the quality of an > expression on the spine? No it doesnt in my understanding s of it. > > So once again we come to our choices. > > I will not go into all of the chakra dynamics here in this post. We > can be at ease I feel for the moment in understanding the > responsibilities we have as beings who can " chooses " right from > wrong as it is understood in the culture we live in.@@ > > > > These questions is what has come from my getting into learning > about > > the shadow. After learning about the shadow, I am not sure of > > anything anymore, again! Not for sure now if I should be > > participating in this shakipat. It would depend a lot how my > > questions here are answered... > > @@ Feel for yourself how this is or is not appropriate for you > Linda. Let your connection to Christ help you. Let your surrender to > the Christ guide you as it has always guided you. Remember your > experiences. These were more than phenomena they were teachings. > The Shadow is only bad or evil if you want it to be. You have > choice. You have the opportunity to decide for yourself. You have > excellent guidance and I am confident in your discernment. > > > > I did ask Jesus to take away everything a week or so ago(the > > phenomena and all), if this is not of Him.. nothing has changed, > > except when scatterfield started, my K settled down somewhat. > > @@ What edoes that tell you? LOL & blessings Linda! - chrism > > > > Linda > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Julie--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Linda <crazycats711 wrote: Linda <crazycats711 Re: Questions - Chrism Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 12:52 AM Dear Linda, I am so sorry to read all the things that have happened to you. It caused me to look back at my life, and things that had happened to me that I asked God, "why me". I still don't know the answers to that, but today, have moved through all these things, and have been made stronger. When I do reflect on those time, I can remember feeling abaondoned by God. I have come to the realization that it is always ME that turns away when I have these feelings. And as soon as I choose to reconnect, like plugging a socket into the wall to receive electrical current, I feel the presence of God again. STAYING connected is the difficult part for me. I know what I have to do to stay plugged in, but sometimes the shadow self emerges, then I get to deal with all that I have brought on myself by being rebellious to the nature of God. I have learned this, but still do not always apply. I was going to ask what my "next step" was to be, but guess I have answered my own question. We need you here. Blessing, love, and light to you. it's OK with you.Love you a whole big bunch,LindaKundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "chrism" <@ ...> wrote:>> Hello Linda. - Please see below separated by @@> > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "Linda" > <crazycats711@ > wrote:> >> > Does kundalini amplify beliefs as well as the emotions?> > @@ Yes as beliefs are often emotional in their expressive nature. We > attach emotions to them in order to feel and develop a safe > environment about having them. Great zeal can come to a persons > belief system and a yearning to share it with all as the Kundalini > amplifies the qualities of the belief system that resonate so well > with the individual having them.@@ > > > Meaning if a > > person doesn't believe in God then their risen K would not take > them > > to God realization, but only what they are believing for their K > to > > take them to. > > @@ The belief in God or a realization of a force of God or divinity > will typically come regardless. To a person that doesnt have a > belief in the divine it will merely be interpreted as that person > can best interpret it and within the parameters that they can have > cinfidence in. The phenomena is still there. The feelings are still > there. The energetic interaction is still there.@@> > So if you are not expecting K to do anything, when it > > rises nothing much has changed except that you are not your own > any > > longer but belong to K and you have to do whatever it wants of > you, > > since you have no expectations. ???> > @@ When Kundalini comes it is most often a surprise for the > individual. In our populations anyway. So they resist it. Choice is > always an option Linda. you as if you are a slave. No choices are > taken away from you. Kunfdalini nbhas an agenda and it will do what > it needs to do inside of what it determines that individual can have > with "itself the Kundalini".> > Yes for those who nwish to have a positive interaction meaning less > of a hardhip oriented interaction surrender is the best way to go. > But you can still resist if you wish! Surrender is a choice.> > Whether or not a person expects the Kundalini to do this or that it > will still follow its agenda and that may inculed this or that. > Belief is not required. Mental validation is not required the ego > mind will merely attach certain qualities to the strange behavior or > will try to eradicate it as done in this country.@@> > > > Is that the way it works? > > @@ There is no "one way" axcept that an agenda is demonstrated by > the Kundalini. We choose many different variations of interaction > with the Kundalini. Some follow belief systems others follow inner > guidance others follow fear. There are many ways of interaction. @@> > > It amplifies whatever you believe and feel? > > If this is so then K would amplify both the light and dark, the > good > > and evil knowledge... whatever you believe.> > @@ Yes it can amplify both ends of duality. We can choose which > aspect of our natures we wish to operate from in regards to the > Kundalini. This is why it comes to those (in many cases) who are > involved in a spiritual belief system. That we can come into this > with a more expanded consciousness that can allow these changes > broght by Kundalini to occur. If that belief system has an > availability of acceptance and understanding for it. @@> > > If a person only believe > > there is good/light and that evil/dark was an illusion, would that > > person only experience good/light? LOL!> > @@ Their belief system would be anhanced by the Kundalini.@@> > > > Since I am a christian and have given the whole of my life to > Christ > > to do with as he sees fit and am being guided by Him and the Holy > > Spirit, how would that fit into K?> > @@ Christ has given you the experience of the Kundalini. It is his > divine interaction with you. Every step you have taken has been in > association with Christ in this regard yes?> > Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, Holy Fire, Fire of Christ. Godfire. You > choose the description. You choose the application of your belief > system. Kundalini is in all of them. > > If you were given the name of the Kundalini as Fire of Christ and it > was believed and supported by the Christian masses you would have no > problem I would guess. These questions would be resolved with the > idea that it is "The will of Christ".> > Yet because it is a strange sounding Sanskrit name and it isnt > understood by the Masses of Christianity it is different and there > fore harder to grasp. > > God is in all things. Goodness and its opposite are in all things > here in duality. It is how we choose to express that allows us to > evolve in either direction. God is in Kundalini. Christ is in > Kundalini. It is a bridge to these divine interactions not only with > heavenly personage but with ourself and the divinity in all of > creation. Kundalini isnt an accident. It is there with in us all > waiting for the right time to bloom.@@> > The way I see it my life is not > > mine any longer to surrender to K, but only if it is Jesus Christ > > willS for me to do so. If K is my feminine self, then it (K) has > > already been totally surrendered to Christ. It doesn't make sense > to > > me to surrender the rest of myself to something that is a part of > > myself. If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself > and > > K is is coiled in the every lowest of these chakras, why would a > > person want that lower base part to rule over your whole being?> > @@ Do you feel that surrendering to Christ takes away your choices? > Is that the reason for the surrender? Christ and Kundalini are > aspects of the divine inheritance we all have and it goes the same > for Buddhists and Islamists and Zoroastrianists, Hindu and Shamanic > cultures. Different cultures have different names for the same > divine inheritance. > > "If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself.... ."> > This is not an accurate understanding of chakras or the myriad of > dynamics with in them. This is a way of training a discilpine. > Giving meaning to a discipline rather than meaning to understanding. > It is a simplified assesment of explaining to those unable to > understand "yet" the many components of the chakra system. It is > good for the training except when we allocate certain absolutist > definintions to these explanations. > > There are positive and negative aspects of all of the chakras. This > allows for the expression of choice and the manifestation of a > spectrum of available experiential interaction with life. So the > chakra can be seen as both positive and negative. Both good and > evil. It depends upon how "we" choose to express through them that > will attentuate the chakra towards or away from certain expressions.> > The first three are beautiful whirling stars of light! my > assumption - lol. > > As are the other chakras. Because they are working with parts of the > body that are seen and understood as being "lower" does not make > them so. It is just an interpreatation assigned by people for a > specific reason or agenda. > > Kundalini is at the base chakra does that make it a base > development? Does placement and or location decide the quality of an > expression on the spine? No it doesnt in my understanding s of it.> > So once again we come to our choices.> > I will not go into all of the chakra dynamics here in this post. We > can be at ease I feel for the moment in understanding the > responsibilities we have as beings who can "chooses" right from > wrong as it is understood in the culture we live in.@@ > > > > These questions is what has come from my getting into learning > about > > the shadow. After learning about the shadow, I am not sure of > > anything anymore, again! Not for sure now if I should be > > participating in this shakipat. It would depend a lot how my > > questions here are answered...> > @@ Feel for yourself how this is or is not appropriate for you > Linda. Let your connection to Christ help you. Let your surrender to > the Christ guide you as it has always guided you. Remember your > experiences. These were more than phenomena they were teachings.> The Shadow is only bad or evil if you want it to be. You have > choice. You have the opportunity to decide for yourself. You have > excellent guidance and I am confident in your discernment.> > > > I did ask Jesus to take away everything a week or so ago(the > > phenomena and all), if this is not of Him.. nothing has changed, > > except when scatterfield started, my K settled down somewhat. > > @@ What edoes that tell you? LOL & blessings Linda! - chrism> > > > Linda> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hi Linda, I just wanted to make a few comments. I am by no means knowledgeable on all of this as I too am trying to feel my way along and I have also had issues about the K with regard to being Christian. As far as the 17 years of being lost, I think we all must go through our dark times. To me, it seems to be part of being "born again". When I was first born again, I too was on fire for God. I was very involved with the church and activities. My (now ex) husband went and "got born again" too. At first I was hopeful, but he really just did it because he saw it as *trendy*. He often jumps from one thing to another like that. Things went really wrong after that and I spent several years in hellish circumstances. I wondered why. In some ways I drew closer to God through that time and in other ways I felt neglected and let down. It can be called by many different names - shadow, dark night, spiritual crisis, temptation, etc. but I think it is all the same thing. Our mettle is tested and we are left in the *dark* (so to speak) to find our way back to the light - or not. It's where we get to fight our way up from the depths and show what we are really made of. As far as the shadow, I feel it is demonized unneccessarily. We all have another side to us. When we feel uncharitable towards another, jealous, annoyed, angry, rage filled, petty, b*tchy. It is what we do about it that counts imho. We have a choice to strike out at others when we have these feelings or we can take the high road. If it was all simple, hearts and flowers - would we really reach very high? I see it all the time with my daughter. She is struggling to do something and gets very frustrated. It would be easy for me to grab whatever it is out of her hands and fix it, open it, etc. The look on her face, the joy she has by doing it herself, is priceless. Yes, it is hard for me to watch her struggle, but in the end it is well worth it. God is probably going through the same things with us. My ten cents, hope something here is helpful. Hugs, Sarita , "Linda" <crazycats711 wrote:>> Chrism, I am so sorry it has taken me so long to relpy back to this. > I am very deeply grateful for your taking time for me and you have > set my mind at ease on a lot here. I know it "seems" so cut and dry > that it is Christ's will for me to be going through this. It would be > so great if Jesus would just speak to me like he did in the > beginning, but the problem is surely on my part. I don't know the > reason why. I went from being this super happy person totally content > with my christian life, my church family, serving at every > oppretunity. Pretty much the way Katherine is right now. Really on > fire and loving every minute of it. > Then one day it was all gone, everything. the church desolved a way > and was no more, everyone went their own way. On top of that James > lost his job he had for 17 years and went into a deep depression over > it. I ended up having to go to work to keep us from losing everthing. > When I prayed it was like praying to a blank wall. When I read the > bible it was flat, it no longer feed my spirit. I threw myself into > work until I became to sick to work. Many day I worked 20 hours a > day, just so I would not have time to think. Then when I go sick I > spent many hours trying to find out how to get myself well. Went > through 3 car wrecks during those years too. The only highlight of my > life was my grandson coming into the picture. Even that was tainted > as far as my christian friends where concerned. I felt cursed. I > withdrew from the world and became a hermit. Not for spiritual > purposes at first anyways, the look in people's eyes was just too > painful. During the healing process, I took up meditation and love it > until the OBE's and stuff began happening, although I didn't relate > them to doing meditation at the time. I just thought I was being > curse with demons now. LOL! I did have some good OBEs though, one > that I did not even want to return from. I still haven't got the > closeness I once had to God back again, but it has improved somewhat. > Well it seemed so at the beginning of the year. Not so sure anymore. > Nothing about my life means much to me without, not even kundalini. > > > I do not know where I got the crazy ideas about the lower chakras, > something I read somewhere I guess. LOL! Strange.> > I am not ready to deal with my shadow side, for 30 years now it has > been put do death at the cross of Christ along with the good side as > well. That old me is no more, I have been believing all these years I > was raised a new me in Christ Jesus. I have not even considered this > new me as having a shadow side! I do remember my shadow self well > though. It was in control over the good me for about 5 years when the > good me got injured to the point it could not function. > I don't know how this shadow stuff applies to me right now.> > > I am feeling a lot better and will continue with the Shaktipat, if > it's OK with you.> > Love you a whole big bunch,> Linda> > > , "chrism" > @ wrote:> >> > Hello Linda. - Please see below separated by @@> > > > > > > > , "Linda" > > <crazycats711@> wrote:> > >> > > Does kundalini amplify beliefs as well as the emotions?> > > > @@ Yes as beliefs are often emotional in their expressive nature. > We > > attach emotions to them in order to feel and develop a safe > > environment about having them. Great zeal can come to a persons > > belief system and a yearning to share it with all as the Kundalini > > amplifies the qualities of the belief system that resonate so well > > with the individual having them.@@ > > > > > > Meaning if a > > > person doesn't believe in God then their risen K would not take > > them > > > to God realization, but only what they are believing for their K > > to > > > take them to. > > > > @@ The belief in God or a realization of a force of God or divinity > > will typically come regardless. To a person that doesnt have a > > belief in the divine it will merely be interpreted as that person > > can best interpret it and within the parameters that they can have > > cinfidence in. The phenomena is still there. The feelings are still > > there. The energetic interaction is still there.@@> > > > So if you are not expecting K to do anything, when it > > > rises nothing much has changed except that you are not your own > > any > > > longer but belong to K and you have to do whatever it wants of > > you, > > > since you have no expectations. ???> > > > @@ When Kundalini comes it is most often a surprise for the > > individual. In our populations anyway. So they resist it. Choice is > > always an option Linda. you as if you are a slave. No choices are > > taken away from you. Kunfdalini nbhas an agenda and it will do what > > it needs to do inside of what it determines that individual can > have > > with "itself the Kundalini".> > > > Yes for those who nwish to have a positive interaction meaning less > > of a hardhip oriented interaction surrender is the best way to go. > > But you can still resist if you wish! Surrender is a choice.> > > > Whether or not a person expects the Kundalini to do this or that it > > will still follow its agenda and that may inculed this or that. > > Belief is not required. Mental validation is not required the ego > > mind will merely attach certain qualities to the strange behavior > or > > will try to eradicate it as done in this country.@@> > > > > > Is that the way it works? > > > > @@ There is no "one way" axcept that an agenda is demonstrated by > > the Kundalini. We choose many different variations of interaction > > with the Kundalini. Some follow belief systems others follow inner > > guidance others follow fear. There are many ways of interaction.@@> > > > > > It amplifies whatever you believe and feel? > > > If this is so then K would amplify both the light and dark, the > > good > > > and evil knowledge...whatever you believe.> > > > @@ Yes it can amplify both ends of duality. We can choose which > > aspect of our natures we wish to operate from in regards to the > > Kundalini. This is why it comes to those (in many cases) who are > > involved in a spiritual belief system. That we can come into this > > with a more expanded consciousness that can allow these changes > > broght by Kundalini to occur. If that belief system has an > > availability of acceptance and understanding for it. @@> > > > > > If a person only believe > > > there is good/light and that evil/dark was an illusion, would > that > > > person only experience good/light? LOL!> > > > @@ Their belief system would be anhanced by the Kundalini.@@> > > > > > Since I am a christian and have given the whole of my life to > > Christ > > > to do with as he sees fit and am being guided by Him and the Holy > > > Spirit, how would that fit into K?> > > > @@ Christ has given you the experience of the Kundalini. It is his > > divine interaction with you. Every step you have taken has been in > > association with Christ in this regard yes?> > > > Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, Holy Fire, Fire of Christ. Godfire. You > > choose the description. You choose the application of your belief > > system. Kundalini is in all of them. > > > > If you were given the name of the Kundalini as Fire of Christ and > it > > was believed and supported by the Christian masses you would have > no > > problem I would guess. These questions would be resolved with the > > idea that it is "The will of Christ".> > > > Yet because it is a strange sounding Sanskrit name and it isnt > > understood by the Masses of Christianity it is different and there > > fore harder to grasp. > > > > God is in all things. Goodness and its opposite are in all things > > here in duality. It is how we choose to express that allows us to > > evolve in either direction. God is in Kundalini. Christ is in > > Kundalini. It is a bridge to these divine interactions not only > with > > heavenly personage but with ourself and the divinity in all of > > creation. Kundalini isnt an accident. It is there with in us all > > waiting for the right time to bloom.@@> > > > The way I see it my life is not > > > mine any longer to surrender to K, but only if it is Jesus Christ > > > willS for me to do so. If K is my feminine self, then it (K) has > > > already been totally surrendered to Christ. It doesn't make sense > > to > > > me to surrender the rest of myself to something that is a part of > > > myself. If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself > > and > > > K is is coiled in the every lowest of these chakras, why would a > > > person want that lower base part to rule over your whole being?> > > > @@ Do you feel that surrendering to Christ takes away your choices? > > Is that the reason for the surrender? Christ and Kundalini are > > aspects of the divine inheritance we all have and it goes the same > > for Buddhists and Islamists and Zoroastrianists, Hindu and Shamanic > > cultures. Different cultures have different names for the same > > divine inheritance. > > > > "If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself....."> > > > This is not an accurate understanding of chakras or the myriad of > > dynamics with in them. This is a way of training a discilpine. > > Giving meaning to a discipline rather than meaning to > understanding. > > It is a simplified assesment of explaining to those unable to > > understand "yet" the many components of the chakra system. It is > > good for the training except when we allocate certain absolutist > > definintions to these explanations. > > > > There are positive and negative aspects of all of the chakras. This > > allows for the expression of choice and the manifestation of a > > spectrum of available experiential interaction with life. So the > > chakra can be seen as both positive and negative. Both good and > > evil. It depends upon how "we" choose to express through them that > > will attentuate the chakra towards or away from certain expressions.> > > > The first three are beautiful whirling stars of light! my > > assumption - lol. > > > > As are the other chakras. Because they are working with parts of > the > > body that are seen and understood as being "lower" does not make > > them so. It is just an interpreatation assigned by people for a > > specific reason or agenda. > > > > Kundalini is at the base chakra does that make it a base > > development? Does placement and or location decide the quality of > an > > expression on the spine? No it doesnt in my understanding s of it.> > > > So once again we come to our choices.> > > > I will not go into all of the chakra dynamics here in this post. We > > can be at ease I feel for the moment in understanding the > > responsibilities we have as beings who can "chooses" right from > > wrong as it is understood in the culture we live in.@@ > > > > > > These questions is what has come from my getting into learning > > about > > > the shadow. After learning about the shadow, I am not sure of > > > anything anymore, again! Not for sure now if I should be > > > participating in this shakipat. It would depend a lot how my > > > questions here are answered...> > > > @@ Feel for yourself how this is or is not appropriate for you > > Linda. Let your connection to Christ help you. Let your surrender > to > > the Christ guide you as it has always guided you. Remember your > > experiences. These were more than phenomena they were teachings.> > The Shadow is only bad or evil if you want it to be. You have > > choice. You have the opportunity to decide for yourself. You have > > excellent guidance and I am confident in your discernment.> > > > > > I did ask Jesus to take away everything a week or so ago(the > > > phenomena and all), if this is not of Him.. nothing has changed, > > > except when scatterfield started, my K settled down somewhat. > > > > @@ What edoes that tell you? LOL & blessings Linda! - chrism> > > > > > Linda> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Yeah, hehe... the Job story. I have thought that a few times. LOL! Lessons learned...don't ever preach a sermon on that subject and don't ever except to play the part of a sick women in a church drama. Linda , " Sarita " <sarita1969 wrote: > > > Hi Linda, I just wanted to make a few comments. I am by no means > knowledgeable on all of this as I too am trying to feel my way along and > I have also had issues about the K with regard to being Christian. > > As far as the 17 years of being lost, I think we all must go through our > dark times. To me, it seems to be part of being " born again " . When I > was first born again, I too was on fire for God. I was very involved > with the church and activities. My (now ex) husband went and " got born > again " too. At first I was hopeful, but he really just did it because > he saw it as *trendy*. He often jumps from one thing to another like > that. Things went really wrong after that and I spent several years in > hellish circumstances. I wondered why. In some ways I drew closer to > God through that time and in other ways I felt neglected and let down. > > It can be called by many different names - shadow, dark night, spiritual > crisis, temptation, etc. but I think it is all the same thing. Our > mettle is tested and we are left in the *dark* (so to speak) to find our > way back to the light - or not. It's where we get to fight our way up > from the depths and show what we are really made of. > > As far as the shadow, I feel it is demonized unneccessarily. We all > have another side to us. When we feel uncharitable towards another, > jealous, annoyed, angry, rage filled, petty, b*tchy. It is what we do > about it that counts imho. We have a choice to strike out at others > when we have these feelings or we can take the high road. > > If it was all simple, hearts and flowers - would we really reach very > high? I see it all the time with my daughter. She is struggling to do > something and gets very frustrated. It would be easy for me to grab > whatever it is out of her hands and fix it, open it, etc. The look on > her face, the joy she has by doing it herself, is priceless. Yes, it is > hard for me to watch her struggle, but in the end it is well worth it. > God is probably going through the same things with us. > > My ten cents, hope something here is helpful. > > Hugs, > > Sarita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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