Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 At 02:53 PM 9/21/2008, you wrote: To me drugs are something very negative, that would ruin a persons life.Eth0gens if used with knowledge and approached with repect are life enhansing.. I don't use any mind-altering substances myself, too sensitive now. But I found this comment interesting - are " drugs " automatically " bad " ? Can't they be used with knowledge and respect and be life-enhancing too? Couldn't " Eth0gens " also be used in a very negative way and ruin someone's life if they were abused? Tylenol is a " drug " . People have died overdosing on it. No one has ever died from a MJ overdose to my knowledge, yet it's seen as a " dangerous drug " in many people's minds. Is this a value judgement on a substance, the way it's used or something more? Brandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Paula--- I used to get really intense cravings for calpol!!! Now I now why! Thanks! Namaste JAmes , " alayafire " <ari.reza wrote: > > > >*** I don't use any mind-altering substances myself, too sensitive > now. > Brandi > > Neither do I now , I did about 7 years ago. they made me infinitely > more sensitive than before, back to childhood levels. > > Paula > > *** But I found this comment interesting - are " drugs " > automatically " bad " ? Can't they be used with knowledge and respect > and be life-enhancing too? Couldn't " Eth0gens " also be used in a > very negative way and ruin someone's life if they were abused? > Tylenol is a " drug " . People have died overdosing on it. No one has > ever died from a MJ overdose to my knowledge, yet it's seen as > a " dangerous drug " in many people's minds. Is this a value judgement > on a substance, the way it's used or something more? > > > > Brandi > > I have never used mj , but have used jurem@ , peyot£, ayahu (AT) aca (DOT) . > to me mj is classed as plants of the gods used by the yogis an > eth0gen..Mj was demonised along with others by the british because > we had a war with china over opium, before then even queen Victoria > used cocaine and heroin!! > > paracetamol ,calpol (is that tylenol for you guys?) was announced on > uk news this week of being responsible in a study to cause childhood > asthma.for me definately in the drug category, along with childhood > vaccines. > > But of course once your kundalini is flowing there is no need for > any of this , this is part of pre-kundalini. > > Paula > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 At 03:49 AM 9/22/2008, you wrote: I have never used mj , but have used jurem@ , peyot£, ayahu (AT) aca (DOT) . to me mj is classed as plants of the gods used by the yogis an eth0gen..Mj was demonised along with others by the british because we had a war with china over opium, before then even queen Victoria used cocaine and heroin!! The comedian Chris Rock has pointed out there is a racial component in our selective application of controlled substances, and I believe there is some truth to the accusation. There are also other financial motivating factors I won't explore in detail. You are right though. Other drugs are often demonized too, and that has led to the so-called " War on Drugs " imnsho, a monumental waste of time, money and treasure, and a human rights tragedy. paracetamol ,calpol (is that tylenol for you guys?) Tylenol is acetaminophen. was announced on uk news this week of being responsible in a study to cause childhood asthma.for me definately in the drug category, along with childhood vaccines. But of course once your kundalini is flowing there is no need for any of this , this is part of pre-kundalini. People take different kinds of drugs for all sorts of reasons and in circumstances that I think we take it for granted it is acceptable to judge drug use, and I was trying to gently draw awareness to the fact that any substance, in and of itself is neutral. It's how we use or abuse it that is " negative " or not. As someone who lives with chronic pain, I do use certain over the counter drugs, I do find them necessary at this point. I'm aware of the tradeoffs. I used to take Prozac for depression, thankfully that is no longer necessary. One day the others may no longer be necessary. If you are blessed to have a reasonably fit body and a smooth Kundalini integration it is easy to say what is and isn't necessary. Brandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Hehehe, this is so funny! It explains so many thinks... Ah! That sweet blackcurrant taste! That moreish opiod headrush! I can still remember its gloopy texture slipping down my throat, followed by the inevitable, " can I have another spoonful Mummy?! " :D:D:D Namaste Paula! , " alayafire " <ari.reza wrote: > > lol James, mine are totally clean, and herbal , man yeah! > but I have seen some really spaced out little calpol junkies > ower in kinde garten man.. > > careful of that calpol man.. > > > > > , " James " > <milliondegrees@> wrote: > > > > Paula--- I used to get really intense cravings for calpol!!! Now I > now > > why! Thanks! > > Namaste > > JAmes > > > > , " alayafire " > > <ari.reza@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >*** I don't use any mind-altering substances myself, too > sensitive > > > now. > > > Brandi > > > > > > Neither do I now , I did about 7 years ago. they made me > infinitely > > > more sensitive than before, back to childhood levels. > > > > > > Paula > > > > > > *** But I found this comment interesting - are " drugs " > > > automatically " bad " ? Can't they be used with knowledge and > respect > > > and be life-enhancing too? Couldn't " Eth0gens " also be used in a > > > very negative way and ruin someone's life if they were abused? > > > Tylenol is a " drug " . People have died overdosing on it. No one > has > > > ever died from a MJ overdose to my knowledge, yet it's seen as > > > a " dangerous drug " in many people's minds. Is this a value > judgement > > > on a substance, the way it's used or something more? > > > > > > > > Brandi > > > > > > I have never used mj , but have used jurem@ , peyot£, ayahu (AT) aca (DOT) . > > > to me mj is classed as plants of the gods used by the yogis an > > > eth0gen..Mj was demonised along with others by the british > because > > > we had a war with china over opium, before then even queen > Victoria > > > used cocaine and heroin!! > > > > > > paracetamol ,calpol (is that tylenol for you guys?) was > announced on > > > uk news this week of being responsible in a study to cause > childhood > > > asthma.for me definately in the drug category, along with > childhood > > > vaccines. > > > > > > But of course once your kundalini is flowing there is no need > for > > > any of this , this is part of pre-kundalini. > > > > > > Paula > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Everything is God and everything is a personal journey, whats good for one can be bad for another and vice versa, my dr0g taking days are a definite part of who I am and my spiritual journey, when I found God for the first time I was pretty high, on sp33d and mj. When I found God I began to let go of my addictions gradually, the sp33d I had been addicted to for 7 years dissapeared as quickly as it had turned up.Dr0gs lead me back to God.Evey thing leads you to God and everything is spiritual. There is only God and spirit.Dark times are as much a part of the path as light times.HUGS elektra x x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 Hi Brandi, I have to agree with what you wrote here. I also suffer from chronic pain and have to take daily opi & te medication. I am doing my best to cut down on the dosage but I can only do that because I don't have to work outside the home, and can 'take to my bed' when the pain is unbearable. Those who are reasonably fit cannot understand the physical and mental pain that illness brings, and in a way cannot comment from a place of knowing, or experiencing. I understand how PTSD drives people to drugs and drink. Those who have never been to war have no right to judge men and women who feel the need to anaesthetise themselves this way. I watched a TV programme where a man accidently chopped off the end of his finger. I said to my husband " How awful, I can't look at it, how can you look at it? " . God, I am so stupid. My husband was a medic in many wars and had to stitch up and amputate on a daily basis. I admire the fact that he has not turned to drugs to numb the mental pain of those memories. I doubt if I could be as strong, could you? The old saying of " Walk a mile in someone else's shoes " , is so true. We are all here to spiritually progress and I applaud those who have walked a more rocky and dark path than myself. We should not condemn or judge, but admire instead. Skydancer x > > People take different kinds of drugs for all sorts of reasons and in circumstances that I think we take it for granted it is acceptable to judge drug use, and I was trying to gently draw awareness to the fact that any substance, in and of itself is neutral. It's how we use or abuse it that is " negative " or not. As someone who lives with chronic pain, I do use certain over the counter drugs, I do find them necessary at this point. I'm aware of the tradeoffs. I used to take Prozac for depression, thankfully that is no longer necessary. One day the others may no longer be necessary. If you are blessed to have a reasonably fit body and a smooth Kundalini integration it is easy to say what is and isn't necessary. > > Brandi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 At 12:16 PM 9/23/2008, you wrote: I have to agree with what you wrote here. I also suffer from chronic pain and have to take daily opi & te medication. I am doing my best to cut down on the dosage but I can only do that because I don't have to work outside the home, and can 'take to my bed' when the pain is unbearable. I do agree with that the way to K is not enhanced with drugs. That they can be dangerous, they are likely to interfere with spiritual growth, and that in most circumstances we're better off without them (I would put the psycho-pharmaceuticals at the top of the list of " things to avoid " ). My point was some people cannot function without them, and nobody here is qualified to make that assessment for another person. Warnings are good things. Those who are reasonably fit cannot understand the physical and mental pain that illness brings, and in a way cannot comment from a place of knowing, or experiencing. I've always had to live with chronic pain. I had one friend in particular who was always judging me as a lazy hypochondriac. He didn't use the words ... but the judgment was always there in his attitude, I knew that. Then he came down with an awful infection in an incredibly painful location, and from what I understand the initial surgery was botched. He was in agony for several weeks. He told me then that he'd never fully understood me until this happened, and was sorry for some of the thoughts he'd had. I was sad this happened to him, but in a way grateful as we've become closer and we understand each other a lot better now. I doubt if I could be as strong, could you? I hope neither of us has to find out how strong we could be in circumstances like that. The old saying of " Walk a mile in someone else's shoes " , is so true. We are all here to spiritually progress and I applaud those who have walked a more rocky and dark path than myself. We should not condemn or judge, but admire instead. If we go through this week spinning our chakras, Om-ing, and blissing out, but if we have not learned tolerance and acceptance of topics and people that push our buttons, if we cannot release judgments of these sorts ... what have we gained in the end? Brandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 > > If we go through this week spinning our chakras, Om-ing, and blissing out, > but if we have not learned tolerance and acceptance of topics and people > that push our buttons, if we cannot release judgments of these sorts ... > what have we gained in the end? > > Brandi This has to be the best post I've read this week. Thank you Brandi. I've been busy, chopping wood and canning, and working. Fall does that up here. Chop wood carry water folks, when I have time I will relate my first moment. Nearly 30 years ago now. I know exactly where Jake is and was, I used to talk them down in the emergency ward. Hugs Jake. I have to work on not getting my back up when someone says " this " is the only right way. I have trouble with Christians, because inherent in their doctrine is a " we are saved they are not " . How to make a dichotomy 101. I'm right you are not. Lots of wise men around through history besides Jesus. My very first experience with transcendence was because of a substance that had not yet been declared illegal. And a very large dose. The government at that time was actually very hopeful they could use it in in Viet Nam, creating soldiers who were quote " outside " of normal reality. It changed my life, I am here in my eden because of it. It spurred me on to look and learn and listen. The connection I felt at that point has never left me. It made me who I am. Should I say that is all false? Monday I got home late, dead quiet and still night. I like to walk in my woods on nights like that, it embraces me, one with it. That's language, I can never really tell you how it feels. Just standing still, open, the stars and boy do we have stars here. Hands out and open, and I had a deer, a young doe, come up and nuzzel my hand. Just like my kittens. All that said, I found my way here, and there must be a reason for that as well. I don't discount any path. We all have our own. I spent a year living on a reservation in Arizona. We, the papagoes and I used to go up " A " mountain and do pe$$ote. Confront our demons as they said. Our demons were always us. There are many ways to see them. Peace Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2008 Report Share Posted September 23, 2008 --- On Tue, 9/23/08, merlin <merlin wrote: merlin <merlinRe: Re: Eth0gens vs "drugs" Date: Tuesday, September 23, 2008, 11:22 PM Hello Don, I would like to share my experience with Christianity with you. I grew up in a Baptist Church, blindly accepting everything that I was told. I hard a very hard time equating the Jesus I knew from the bible to the example I was shown by some (not all) of the Christians I knew. So, for a time, I strayed from my firm belief, only to return when I worked out my own salvation. I let the hypocrisy of the few turn me away from the church I had attended faithfully since childhood. Like you, I tried to understand how God could seemingly turn his back on so many people who had not heard, or refused to believe in Jesus. Today, I feel differently. Jesus is my way into the throne room of God. As we did in the healing for Denny tonight, we asked the kundalini to cleanse us before we could begin the work for Denny. For me, Jesus cleanses my soul so I can enter into communion with God. When I fall from Grace through my own errors of commission and omission, He is there to absolve me, and allow me back into God's favor. Like a real Father, God always loves me, but I allow myself to be blocked from His light by some of my thoughts and actions. I have experienced this enough times to be satisfied this is my way, and the way God chose to reveal Himself to me. Is it the only way? I don't know, but I don't worry about it because it is God's to figure out. So I consider myself Christian, but as a Christian cannot say MY way is the only way. So here is one whose message is not so judgmental. For me, the message is love, loving you as I love myself, and judging not lest I be judged. Love ya lots, JulieI have to work on not getting my back up when someone says "this" is theonly right way. I have trouble with Christians, because inherent in theirdoctrine is a "we are saved they are not". How to make a dichotomy 101.I'm right you are not. Lots of wise men around through history besidesJesus.My very first experience with transcendence was because of a substancethat had not yet been declared illegal. And a very large dose. Thegovernment at that time was actually very hopeful they could use it in inViet Nam, creating soldiers who were quote "outside" of normal reality.It changed my life, I am here in my eden because of it. It spurred me onto look and learn and listen. The connection I felt at that point hasnever left me. It made me who I am. Should I say that is all false?Monday I got home late, dead quiet and still night. I like to walk in mywoods on nights like that, it embraces me, one with it. That's language, Ican never really tell you how it feels. Just standing still, open, thestars and boy do we have stars here.Hands out and open, and I had a deer, a young doe, come up and nuzzel myhand. Just like my kittens.All that said, I found my way here, and there must be a reason for that aswell. I don't discount any path. We all have our own. I spent a yearliving on a reservation in Arizona. We, the papagoes and I used to go up"A" mountain and do pe$$ote. Confront our demons as they said. Our demonswere always us. There are many ways to see them.PeaceDon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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