Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Tylenol, the US version, is acetomenophin except if you're talking Tylenol III & IV's, the latter I know for sure has codeine in it. They don't do a darn thing for me until I take like 5 - 6 at once & about overdose myself on them (not good). I may as well take a sugar pill for all it's worth except the sugar pill will at least give me the sugar 'high' (energy) that comes along with it. Andrea *** But I found this comment interesting - are " drugs " automatically " bad " ? Can't they be used with knowledge and respect and be life-enhancing too? Couldn't " Eth0gens " also be used in a very negative way and ruin someone's life if they were abused? Tylenol is a " drug " . People have died overdosing on it. No one has ever died from a MJ overdose to my knowledge, yet it's seen as a " dangerous drug " in many people's minds. Is this a value judgement on a substance, the way it's used or something more? > > Brandi I have never used mj , but have used jurem@ , peyot£, ayahu (AT) aca (DOT) . to me mj is classed as plants of the gods used by the yogis an eth0gen..Mj was demonised along with others by the british because we had a war with china over opium, before then even queen Victoria used cocaine and heroin!! paracetamol ,calpol (is that tylenol for you guys?) was announced on uk news this week of being responsible in a study to cause childhood asthma.for me definately in the drug category, along with childhood vaccines. But of course once your kundalini is flowing there is no need for any of this , this is part of pre-kundalini. Paula Messages in this topic (59) ______________________ ______________________ 4a. Re: Questions - Linda Posted by: " Linda " crazycats711 danceswithcats999 Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:01 pm ((PDT)) Thanks Dhyana, I have been reading on Philip St. Romain's book. I was hopeing to get it finished before Shaktipat. I have only got half way. I kept getting side tracked to people he mentions, but they have been of interest too. So, do you know of any Christian mystics that are not of the Catholic faith. The Catholic religion is so different from what I am use to. Just understanding them on top of is not easy for me. I have also been reading the book Mikael recommended and it has been a help, but it is by a catholic as well. Linda , " novalees " <dhyana wrote: > > Tender hug, Linda. > > What comes to me in reading your plight is recommending > that you look at the lives of the Christian mystics, and see > how kundalini plays out in the lives of those following the > Christian tradition. There is much on the internet about them. > > Google Christian Mystics > > Its quite fascinating. > > Love, dhyana > > > , " Linda " > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > Messages in this topic (19) ______________________ 4b. Re: Questions - Linda Posted by: " Linda " crazycats711 danceswithcats999 Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:16 pm ((PDT)) LOL! I have had a lot to go into my brain this past year and 3/4s. No wonder it gets confused and bumfuzzled at times. Linda , " alayafire " <ari.reza wrote: > > Linda we are Christian Mystics, we need to know like our brains on > fire. I have avoided the kundalini threashold on many occaisions > as I didn't feel it to be right from whom offered it. > But here, with chrism, it feels right, ask you heart.. > > paula ... > > Messages in this topic (19) ______________________ 4c. Re: Questions - Linda Posted by: " novalees " dhyana novalees Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:39 pm ((PDT)) Lol! The Catholic Faith was rich ground for mystics to grow in...I feel that's why so many came from there. Devotion, prayer, meditation, spiritual discipline, puts one within the " Safeties " and makes it easy for the higher experiences to come. Many could have easily left the Catholic faith, once they were filled with the Light and could see the limitations, but I read of some choosing to stay in order to pave the way for those who followed in the Christian Tradition...to keep a continuity flowing. " Catholic " is a label. When one is joined to God there are no more labels, so don't think of them as Catholic. They stayed that way to help you, here and now. That's why I recommended you take a peek. Some may speak directly to your experience. Let the Holy Spirit guide you. Love and Hugs, dhyana , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > > Thanks Dhyana, I have been reading on Philip St. Romain's book. I was > hopeing to get it finished before Shaktipat. I have only got half > way. I kept getting side tracked to people he mentions, but they have > been of interest too. So, do you know of any Christian mystics that > are not of the Catholic faith. The Catholic religion is so different > from what I am use to. Just understanding them on top of is not easy > for me. I have also been reading the book Mikael recommended and it > has been a help, but it is by a catholic as well. > > Linda > > , " novalees " > <dhyana@> wrote: > > > > Tender hug, Linda. > > > > What comes to me in reading your plight is recommending > > that you look at the lives of the Christian mystics, and see > > how kundalini plays out in the lives of those following the > > Christian tradition. There is much on the internet about them. > > > > Google Christian Mystics > > > > Its quite fascinating. > > > > Love, dhyana > > > > > > , " Linda " > > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > Messages in this topic (19) ______________________ 4d. Re: Questions - Linda - Dhyana Posted by: " Linda " crazycats711 danceswithcats999 Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:06 pm ((PDT)) @@@ " Catholic " is a label. When one is joined to God there are no more labels, so don't think of them as Catholic. They stayed that way to help you, here and now. That's why I recommended you take a peek. Some may speak directly to your experience. Let the Holy Spirit guide you.@@@ Hi Dhyana, I was not considering the label. I have nothing against Catholic, my own daughter is one. It's just I am ignorant of their teachings and ways. It hard to understand what they are saying at times, which makes it even harder for me, learning a new religion on top of. The church I attended, there were many devoted to prayer and devotion and all. Some of our prayer meeting would end up going into the wee hours many times. We had Holy Ghost filled prayer meetings and services. There are bound to be some out there, in those non-denominational churches that have had experiences with K. I am one who has. LOL! Linda , " novalees " <dhyana wrote: > > Lol! The Catholic Faith was rich ground for mystics to grow in...I > feel that's why so many came from there. Devotion, prayer, meditation, > spiritual discipline, puts one within the " Safeties " and makes it easy > for the higher experiences to come. > > Many could have easily left the Catholic faith, once they were filled > with the Light and could see the limitations, but I read of some > choosing to stay in order to pave the way for those who followed in > the Christian Tradition...to keep a continuity flowing. > > " Catholic " is a label. When one is joined to God there are no more > labels, so don't think of them as Catholic. They stayed that way to > help you, here and now. That's why I recommended you take a peek. Some > may speak directly to your experience. Let the Holy Spirit guide you. > > Love and Hugs, > dhyana > > > > , " Linda " > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Dhyana, I have been reading on Philip St. Romain's book. I was > > hopeing to get it finished before Shaktipat. I have only got half > > way. I kept getting side tracked to people he mentions, but they have > > been of interest too. So, do you know of any Christian mystics that > > are not of the Catholic faith. The Catholic religion is so different > > from what I am use to. Just understanding them on top of is not easy > > for me. I have also been reading the book Mikael recommended and it > > has been a help, but it is by a catholic as well. > > > > Linda > > > > , " novalees " > > <dhyana@> wrote: > > > > > > Tender hug, Linda. > > > > > > What comes to me in reading your plight is recommending > > > that you look at the lives of the Christian mystics, and see > > > how kundalini plays out in the lives of those following the > > > Christian tradition. There is much on the internet about them. > > > > > > Google Christian Mystics > > > > > > Its quite fascinating. > > > > > > Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > , " Linda " > > > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (19) ______________________ ______________________ 5a. I can tell it's almost time Posted by: " Valarie Vousden " vjvousden vjvousden Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:08 pm ((PDT)) Hi, Everyone! I can feel the excitement in the air here. My radiator has been working full speed today. Still sore in my temples from yesterday's migraine and still feel pressure when I bend over to pick something off the floor, which I'm avoiding doing if possible! LOL But the heat has been unrelenting. I had the air conditioning on 65 today because I felt like I was suffocating. And going outside in the near 100 F/38 or so C heat made me feel like I'd explode. I couldn't take being outside much today at all. So it's a weird sort of thing going on with my internal thermostat at the moment. My appetite has been effected as well. Less hungry. Par for the course, I suspect. Anyway, tomorrow we start. I look forward to reading how everyone is doing. Happy Autumnal Equinox and Shaktipat to those doing it this time! Sending love/metta, Valarie Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ 5b. Re: I can tell it's almost time -Valarie Posted by: " chrism " Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:53 am ((PDT)) Please stay hydrated dear friend. Keep the watermelon close as well. Embrace the heat & emnbrace the chill. Realize it is infusing you at this very moment. - blessings to you Valarie. - chrism Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ ______________________ 6a. Re: Questions - Chrism Posted by: " Linda " crazycats711 danceswithcats999 Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:12 pm ((PDT)) Thank you Julie for the info on the chakras. To tell you the truth, before this year, my heart chakra has been the only one I could sense " whirring " . LOL! I can sense them all now, some not quite as defined as others, though. Linda , Julie <jewelport wrote: > > Linda, > For me, the chakras represent emotions, attitudes, and behaviors. When one is out of balance, they are not " whirring " along, like the hum of a finely tuned engine that only operates well when all of it's parts are working together. I practice yoga to keep all these chakras open and balanced. If my naval point is weak, I am weak and cannot make decisions, and let people run over me. If my third eye is not open, I lose my intuitiiveness, and awareness. If my throat center is blocked, I cannot speak my truth. If my 7th chakra is not open, I cannot receive the love that God is showering down on me. If my second chakra is too active, I become overly focused on s@x, and am taken away from purpose. If my base chakra is out of whack, I am too " earthy " , and away from my crown. So I practice yoga to keep all these balanced and working properly. It is the ONLY physcial thing that works for me, other than just walking meditation. The yoga > allows me to focus on a particular area of my life and emotions. For me, when all the chakras are balanced and whirring away, then the kundalini rises and opens the final channel to allow bliss to flow. (love from the Divine) And I am truly a child of God. What we think about does amplify, so we are advised to keep our thoughts on whatever is pure, good, and truth. That is where I have to go help someone else, to take the focus of " poor little me " . Because there is always someone to give you the gift of gratitude. I have always been Christian in my faith, but I believe that God has revealed MORE with the gift of kundalini and yoga. > > I have a feeling we will be reading many posts in the next few days. You are all in my thoughts and prayers as I look at your pictueres. I look at your eyes. There is a reason asks for a good shot of eyes. The are the window to the soul. > > Love to all. > > --- On Sun, 9/21/08, Linda <crazycats711@ > > > Messages in this topic (19) ______________________ 6b. Re: Questions - Chrism Posted by: " Linda " crazycats711 danceswithcats999 Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:52 pm ((PDT)) Chrism, I am so sorry it has taken me so long to relpy back to this. I am very deeply grateful for your taking time for me and you have set my mind at ease on a lot here. I know it " seems " so cut and dry that it is Christ's will for me to be going through this. It would be so great if Jesus would just speak to me like he did in the beginning, but the problem is surely on my part. I don't know the reason why. I went from being this super happy person totally content with my christian life, my church family, serving at every oppretunity. Pretty much the way Katherine is right now. Really on fire and loving every minute of it. Then one day it was all gone, everything. the church desolved a way and was no more, everyone went their own way. On top of that James lost his job he had for 17 years and went into a deep depression over it. I ended up having to go to work to keep us from losing everthing. When I prayed it was like praying to a blank wall. When I read the bible it was flat, it no longer feed my spirit. I threw myself into work until I became to sick to work. Many day I worked 20 hours a day, just so I would not have time to think. Then when I go sick I spent many hours trying to find out how to get myself well. Went through 3 car wrecks during those years too. The only highlight of my life was my grandson coming into the picture. Even that was tainted as far as my christian friends where concerned. I felt cursed. I withdrew from the world and became a hermit. Not for spiritual purposes at first anyways, the look in people's eyes was just too painful. During the healing process, I took up meditation and love it until the OBE's and stuff began happening, although I didn't relate them to doing meditation at the time. I just thought I was being curse with demons now. LOL! I did have some good OBEs though, one that I did not even want to return from. I still haven't got the closeness I once had to God back again, but it has improved somewhat. Well it seemed so at the beginning of the year. Not so sure anymore. Nothing about my life means much to me without, not even kundalini. I do not know where I got the crazy ideas about the lower chakras, something I read somewhere I guess. LOL! Strange. I am not ready to deal with my shadow side, for 30 years now it has been put do death at the cross of Christ along with the good side as well. That old me is no more, I have been believing all these years I was raised a new me in Christ Jesus. I have not even considered this new me as having a shadow side! I do remember my shadow self well though. It was in control over the good me for about 5 years when the good me got injured to the point it could not function. I don't know how this shadow stuff applies to me right now. I am feeling a lot better and will continue with the Shaktipat, if it's OK with you. Love you a whole big bunch, Linda , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Hello Linda. - Please see below separated by @@ > > > > , " Linda " > <crazycats711@> wrote: > > > > Does kundalini amplify beliefs as well as the emotions? > > @@ Yes as beliefs are often emotional in their expressive nature. We > attach emotions to them in order to feel and develop a safe > environment about having them. Great zeal can come to a persons > belief system and a yearning to share it with all as the Kundalini > amplifies the qualities of the belief system that resonate so well > with the individual having them.@@ > > > Meaning if a > > person doesn't believe in God then their risen K would not take > them > > to God realization, but only what they are believing for their K > to > > take them to. > > @@ The belief in God or a realization of a force of God or divinity > will typically come regardless. To a person that doesnt have a > belief in the divine it will merely be interpreted as that person > can best interpret it and within the parameters that they can have > cinfidence in. The phenomena is still there. The feelings are still > there. The energetic interaction is still there.@@ > > So if you are not expecting K to do anything, when it > > rises nothing much has changed except that you are not your own > any > > longer but belong to K and you have to do whatever it wants of > you, > > since you have no expectations. ??? > > @@ When Kundalini comes it is most often a surprise for the > individual. In our populations anyway. So they resist it. Choice is > always an option Linda. you as if you are a slave. No choices are > taken away from you. Kunfdalini nbhas an agenda and it will do what > it needs to do inside of what it determines that individual can have > with " itself the Kundalini " . > > Yes for those who nwish to have a positive interaction meaning less > of a hardhip oriented interaction surrender is the best way to go. > But you can still resist if you wish! Surrender is a choice. > > Whether or not a person expects the Kundalini to do this or that it > will still follow its agenda and that may inculed this or that. > Belief is not required. Mental validation is not required the ego > mind will merely attach certain qualities to the strange behavior or > will try to eradicate it as done in this country.@@ > > > > Is that the way it works? > > @@ There is no " one way " axcept that an agenda is demonstrated by > the Kundalini. We choose many different variations of interaction > with the Kundalini. Some follow belief systems others follow inner > guidance others follow fear. There are many ways of interaction.@@ > > > It amplifies whatever you believe and feel? > > If this is so then K would amplify both the light and dark, the > good > > and evil knowledge...whatever you believe. > > @@ Yes it can amplify both ends of duality. We can choose which > aspect of our natures we wish to operate from in regards to the > Kundalini. This is why it comes to those (in many cases) who are > involved in a spiritual belief system. That we can come into this > with a more expanded consciousness that can allow these changes > broght by Kundalini to occur. If that belief system has an > availability of acceptance and understanding for it. @@ > > > If a person only believe > > there is good/light and that evil/dark was an illusion, would that > > person only experience good/light? LOL! > > @@ Their belief system would be anhanced by the Kundalini.@@ > > > > Since I am a christian and have given the whole of my life to > Christ > > to do with as he sees fit and am being guided by Him and the Holy > > Spirit, how would that fit into K? > > @@ Christ has given you the experience of the Kundalini. It is his > divine interaction with you. Every step you have taken has been in > association with Christ in this regard yes? > > Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, Holy Fire, Fire of Christ. Godfire. You > choose the description. You choose the application of your belief > system. Kundalini is in all of them. > > If you were given the name of the Kundalini as Fire of Christ and it > was believed and supported by the Christian masses you would have no > problem I would guess. These questions would be resolved with the > idea that it is " The will of Christ " . > > Yet because it is a strange sounding Sanskrit name and it isnt > understood by the Masses of Christianity it is different and there > fore harder to grasp. > > God is in all things. Goodness and its opposite are in all things > here in duality. It is how we choose to express that allows us to > evolve in either direction. God is in Kundalini. Christ is in > Kundalini. It is a bridge to these divine interactions not only with > heavenly personage but with ourself and the divinity in all of > creation. Kundalini isnt an accident. It is there with in us all > waiting for the right time to bloom.@@ > > The way I see it my life is not > > mine any longer to surrender to K, but only if it is Jesus Christ > > willS for me to do so. If K is my feminine self, then it (K) has > > already been totally surrendered to Christ. It doesn't make sense > to > > me to surrender the rest of myself to something that is a part of > > myself. If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself > and > > K is is coiled in the every lowest of these chakras, why would a > > person want that lower base part to rule over your whole being? > > @@ Do you feel that surrendering to Christ takes away your choices? > Is that the reason for the surrender? Christ and Kundalini are > aspects of the divine inheritance we all have and it goes the same > for Buddhists and Islamists and Zoroastrianists, Hindu and Shamanic > cultures. Different cultures have different names for the same > divine inheritance. > > " If the lower three chakras rule the dark part of yourself..... " > > This is not an accurate understanding of chakras or the myriad of > dynamics with in them. This is a way of training a discilpine. > Giving meaning to a discipline rather than meaning to understanding. > It is a simplified assesment of explaining to those unable to > understand " yet " the many components of the chakra system. It is > good for the training except when we allocate certain absolutist > definintions to these explanations. > > There are positive and negative aspects of all of the chakras. This > allows for the expression of choice and the manifestation of a > spectrum of available experiential interaction with life. So the > chakra can be seen as both positive and negative. Both good and > evil. It depends upon how " we " choose to express through them that > will attentuate the chakra towards or away from certain expressions. > > The first three are beautiful whirling stars of light! my > assumption - lol. > > As are the other chakras. Because they are working with parts of the > body that are seen and understood as being " lower " does not make > them so. It is just an interpreatation assigned by people for a > specific reason or agenda. > > Kundalini is at the base chakra does that make it a base > development? Does placement and or location decide the quality of an > expression on the spine? No it doesnt in my understanding s of it. > > So once again we come to our choices. > > I will not go into all of the chakra dynamics here in this post. We > can be at ease I feel for the moment in understanding the > responsibilities we have as beings who can " chooses " right from > wrong as it is understood in the culture we live in.@@ > > > > These questions is what has come from my getting into learning > about > > the shadow. After learning about the shadow, I am not sure of > > anything anymore, again! Not for sure now if I should be > > participating in this shakipat. It would depend a lot how my > > questions here are answered... > > @@ Feel for yourself how this is or is not appropriate for you > Linda. Let your connection to Christ help you. Let your surrender to > the Christ guide you as it has always guided you. Remember your > experiences. These were more than phenomena they were teachings. > The Shadow is only bad or evil if you want it to be. You have > choice. You have the opportunity to decide for yourself. You have > excellent guidance and I am confident in your discernment. > > > > I did ask Jesus to take away everything a week or so ago(the > > phenomena and all), if this is not of Him.. nothing has changed, > > except when scatterfield started, my K settled down somewhat. > > @@ What edoes that tell you? LOL & blessings Linda! - chrism > > > > Linda > > > Messages in this topic (19) ______________________ 6c. Re: Questions - -Linda Posted by: " chrism " Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:48 am ((PDT)) Its Ok wih me Linda. Work on the shadow as it presents itself to be worked on - and it will. Do not worry about what has been. You are in a new world and new place where many of the old rules of the past no longer apply. In this place is your new home being built your new landscape awaits your attentions. Kundalini changes everything and I have found that it is best to embrace these changes and build upon the opportunities that are presented. Christ is with you and will help you with your Shadow to be sure! - blessings Linda. - chrism Messages in this topic (19) ______________________ ______________________ 7a. Purpose.. Posted by: " jonrow_2914 " jrowland jonrow_2914 Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:57 pm ((PDT)) Shaktipat week. Ascension. Transformation. We have all been drawn to the kundalini for different reasons. chrism has asked in the past what you seek from the kundalini. Some seek enlightenment, some self-realisation, some divine communication, many seek siddhis. Have you stopped to think why you seek what you do? Is it ego driven? The desire to be different? Genuine desire to aspire? Being complex beings and strongly influenced by our physical state and mind it is probably a mixture of everything if we are to be absolutely honest with ourselves. Instead of looking inwards as we so often do have you ever asked or sought your purpose - why is it that you have been drawn to this path as opposed to what do you seek? What purpose will you fulfill in achieving that enlightenment, those siddhis, that self realization? What will your role be in the greater scheme of things as you ascend? What is it that you must give in return for what you receive? Just a thought, but in your meditations during the shaktipat week in particular when your focus is possibly at its strongest - seek your purpose. The revelations could be both inspirational as well as enlightening. Blessings - Jonathan Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ 7b. Re: Purpose.. Posted by: " chrism " Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:35 am ((PDT)) Excellent posts Jonathan these are good questions to ask and will serve to give a person the placement of inner honesty and personal integrity. To know thyself is to know God. - blessings all. - chrism , " jonrow_2914 " <jrowland wrote: > > Shaktipat week. Ascension. Transformation. Messages in this topic (2) ______________________ ______________________ 8. Five Virtues Posted by: " Shahin " sh1963sh sh1963sh Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:18 am ((PDT)) ========================================================== < 1 - Honesty > Quran is Holy book of Muslims. To understand how bad is lying, we read this book. " Do not do usury. It is similar to fornication with your mother. It is similar to declaring war with God " . Repeated (2 times) Now compare it with lying. " Do not tell lie " . Repeated (600 times) Don't mix truth and false and don't cover the truth even though you know it. (Quran 2/42) You should not tell lie. You should not speak to confuse people. (Ghazali, Muslim Theologian) ========================================================== < 2 - Forgiveness > Quran 42/37- 43 and 5/13 Forgiveness is sign of power Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him): When ignorant attacks you, greet him. Imagine this scenario: A 500 kilogram tiger is sitting there. A 15 gram yellow chicken, very angry, in a very bad mood, comes near the tiger and kicks his foot and swears at him and says all sorts of bad words. Tiger looks down, and says, hey buddy, what is wrong, come here, come up to me. Take this ice cream and cool down. Tell me what is going on. Then he hugs the chicken and kisses her and gives her ice cream and talks with her to know what is wrong. Tiger does is not hurt and is offended in the first place. There is no reason for him to forgive the chicken. He knows he is the tiger and he knows it is a chicken and it really does not hurt him at all, what ever kick and swear chicken does, has no effect on him. Conclusion: Do not go after creating quality of forgiveness in yourself. Go after power. Then, you do not need to forgive. You are in the state of forgiving and love be default. ========================================================== < 3 - Gratitude > Gratitude is - Acknowledgment of benefits that we have received - And the action of using the resources that we have (that will increase them, this is a law of the Universe) How to cultivate gratitude? (1) Make a list of all resources that you have been given as a gift, a human body, education, health, money, friends, job, roof . (2) Keep a journal of answered prayers ========================================================== < 4 - Tolerance > - Accepting diversity and the ability to live and let others live - Adopting this belief, that every person is (potentially) a treasure - Capacity for being indifferent to (possibly incorrect) beliefs or practices of others. (As long as their insane actions do not harm you or others) ========================================================== < 5 - Graciousness > Yes .. Elegant .. Soft and sweet .. Kind .. Beneficent .. Modest .. Humble .. Gentle No .. Impulsive .. Offensive .. Puffed-up .. Proud .. Arrogant .. Self-righteous .. Self-satisfied ========================================================== 21 rounds Tibetans EVERY day is " necessary " for health within K ========================================================== Have a happy day. Shahin ========================================================== Messages in this topic (1) ______________________ ______________________ 9. Dark Night .......by Saint John Of the Cross Posted by: " alayafire " ari.reza alayafire Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:37 am ((PDT)) On a darkened night, Anxious, by love inflamed, -- O happy chance! -- Unnoticed, I took flight, My house at last at peace and quiet. Safe, disguised by the night, By the secret ladder I took flight, -- O happy chance! -- Cloaked by darkness, I scaled the height, My house at last at peace and quiet. On that blessed night, In secret, and seen by none, None in sight, I saw with no other guide or light, But the one burning in my heart bright. This guide, this light, Brighter than the midday sun, Led me to the waiting One I knew so well -- my delight! To a place with none in sight. O night! O guide! O night more loving than the dawn! O night that joined The lover with the Beloved; Transformed, the lover into the Beloved drawn! Upon my flowered breast, For him alone kept fair, There he slept There I caressed, There the cedars gave us air. I drank the turret's cool air Spreading playfully his hair. And his hand, so serene, Cut my throat. Drained of senses, I dropped unaware. Lost to myself and yet remaining, Inclined so only the Beloved I spy. All has ceased, all rests, Even my cares, even I; Lost among the lilies, there I die. This is one of my favorite poems by the great Spanish mystic, John of the Cross. It touches on so many important metaphors of sacred poetry: darkness, light, a secret ladder, the heart, the joining of lover and Beloved, silence, and death of the little self. Let's take a look at just a few of these themes... Although mystics often experience the Divine as a radiant, all permeating light, sometimes God is described in terms of night or darkness. On a darkened night... Night is the great Mystery, the unknown. Darkness is the place of secrets. It is the time of sleep, rest, peace. We drop all of our activities and turn inward. Because nighttime is associated with sleep and, by analogy, death, it can also represent the time when the ego sleeps and most easily can " die " or fade away. The ego is less in charge at night, less demanding that its every desire be instantly met. The busy mind is less active, more likely to be at rest. Night is the time when lovers meet, when the soul meets its Divine Beloved. Darkness, like God, envelops everything in its embrace. It is in the darkness of night that all things become one, losing their individuality as they disappear into that mystery. Nighttime is the time of nondual awareness, when dichotomies and artificial notions of separation fade. John of the Cross is particularly known for speaking of " the dark night of the soul. " This is not so much a reference to the experience of the Divine as mentioned above, but a preliminary state. Prior to experiences of union, the soul loses its orientation, where worldly distractions seem pointless, but the blissful fulfillment of divine union hasn't yet been experienced. This can be a period of confusion, being " anxious, " a period of intense spiritual thirst, and a feeling of blindness that is the equivalent of trying to find one's way in the dark. But that too can be an important stage of the journey that indicates the nearness of the sacred goal, not its distance. Yet in this " blessed night, " John of the Cross discovers light. This is not just any light but an overpowering radiance, " Brighter than the midday sun. " For genuine mystics, light is not a mere concept or metaphor; it is directly experienced. This light is perceived as being a living radiance that permeates everything, everywhere, always. This light is immediately understood to be the true source of all things, the foundation on which the physicality of the material world is built. The sense of boundaries and separation, long taken for granted by the mind as the fundamental nature of existence, suddenly seems illusory, for this light shines through all people and things. It has no edges, and the light of one is the light of another. This light is recognized as your own Self, while simultaneously being the Self of all others. Since this light is you and, at the same time, it radiates within all, the question arises: How can there be separation? conflict? loss? This is how John proceeds so boldly from the experience of light to union, the sacred marriage, " Transformed, the lover into the Beloved drawn! " And what about death? Why does he startle us by shifting from the ecstasy of union to death? " And his hand, so serene, / Cut my throat. / Drained of senses, I dropped unaware. " Without understanding of this imagery, it can sound as if every mystic and saint has some strange death wish. In deep ecstasy, the sense of individuality, the sense of " I " thins and can completely disappear. Though you may still walk and breathe and talk, there is no " you " performing these actions. The separate identity, the ego, disappears, to be replaced by a vast, borderless sense of Self. Suddenly, who you have always thought yourself to be vanishes and, in its place, stands a radiant being whose boundaries are no longer perceived in terms of flesh or space. Lost to myself and yet remaining, Inclined so only the Beloved I spy. It is this experience, this complete shedding of the limited ego, that is the death so eagerly sought by mystics throughout time. All has ceased, all rests, Even my cares, even I; Lost among the lilies, there I die. Messages in this topic (1) ______________________ ______________________ 10.1. Re: Kundalini Seniors - James Posted by: " alayafire " ari.reza alayafire Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:50 am ((PDT)) opps sorry thought I did...that slipped... , " chrism " <> wrote: > > If you must name the drugs please mis spell them due to admin. > inteventions. thank you. - chrism > > > > > > , " James " > <milliondegrees@> wrote: > > > > San Pdro, Peyte, well, I think to do them properly you need > years > > of preparation, because they are strong poisons and they take you > > between the worlds. Someone offered me them while I was travelling > > and at the time I thought well, this must be the universe wanting > me > > to take this magic cactus... I dont really want to talk about what > > happened, but lets just say I was totally unready to enter that > > space! A similar thing happened to me with mushrooms while I was > in > > Panama, I didnt really want to do it but I thought maybe the > universe > > wanted me to, I´ve always been very cautious about drugs, but > > actually that experience was quite positive, helpful, even > beautiful. > > > > Namaste Gypsy Eyes, the force is with you! > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- > 1 , " gypsyeyes_101 " > > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > > > > BE CAREFUL WITH MAGICAL CACTI!!!! > > > > > > What kind and why? > > > > > > > > > , " James " > > > <milliondegrees@> wrote: > > > > > > > > My most important experience to share is: > > > > BE CAREFUL WITH MAGICAL CACTI!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " chrism " > > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For those who have had Kundalini for some time now feel free > to > > add > > > > > your feelings and thoughts. There are more than a few of you > > here and > > > > > your wisdoms and experiences are valuable so if you feel the > > > > > expressive desire please know your thoughts and experiences > > will be > > > > > respected and appreciated. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (59) ______________________ ______________________ 11. Please Remember Posted by: " chrism " Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:14 am ((PDT)) As you have practiced the safeties - all of them - so will your availability to the Shaktipat be at its strongest. As you have spent time with the safeties so will this time spent be a conditioning factor for you and in this conditioning will your body be able to process that which is given. If you are new to these protocols do not worry and allow for yourself the " start " of this conditioning. This is not a one time explosive event most of the time. I do not wish for this to occur though it does sometimes. People need time to understand the ramification of Kundalini. That this is far beyond the new age, new thought, and spiritual manifestation systems that are being emphasized these days. This is beyond anything a person can really understand mentally or emotionally. So allow yourself time and space to embrace - as you are able - that which is given to you. Also remember the energies of this group and how by merely being here you are being given to. - blessings all - chrism Messages in this topic (1) ______________________ ______________________ 12.1. Re: upstart juniors Non exsistance does not exsist Posted by: " mikael " mixolyd mishka8u Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:16 am ((PDT)) i think that talking about God or whatever is useless, it's like trying to shine a flashlight in a basement looking for darkness. the problem is you looking in the first place, and using the wrong methods. the problem is you thinking you are a separate individual and not Spirit itself. that's why i like buddhism, it's all about removing your delusions to see reality for what it is. but i can understand how some people need these belief systems and concepts, it can be scary to not " know " , though is having the illusion of " knowing " somehow better than not knowing? i think that eventually all concepts have to be given up. , merlin wrote: > > John I hate to presume, and I am very not sure I can relate this in > language. I see your posts as playing with language, correct me if I am > wrong. The essence of what we do and who we are to the end, has nothing to > do with language. You're good at it, this use of language. > Again and over and over again it is the surrender thing, if you have to > use language to do it, you need to think about that. Actually read what > writes, it is sometimes more interesting for what he doesn't say > than what he says. > > Think, feel, what need is that in you that needs to define the beginning > and the end in words. Does it really matter at all? If you need it, that's > fine, some of us don't. You are going through your own awakening, others > come from a different place. > > I, for one am not worried about god, or any god, I don't hold with the > idea that I am a lesser being, I am god, myself. I don't hold with > religions that say they are the sinners and they are damned. I don't > build divisions I seek to to destroy them. I don't pray. There is no other > greater than the power and joy I hold within myself.. There is no one who > started it all and there is one you can give all the things you don't > understand to. > > It really is all up to you. > > > Peace > > Don > > > > Julie, > > If there is a god that is asumed to be a creator or if there is just > > a creator rather than creation that was created out of itself, If any > > of the abouve was not dependent on anything. my question is why did > > it become creation or create in the first place. > > > > I had a similar discusion with a past woman friend who had > > exsperienced a type of samadhi. In it she exsperienced nothingness > > and she wanted just to remain in this space. I loved this lady very > > much and i told her this oxymoron which become an exspession over > > some time, that was: . > > > > Sorry I guess its a indigo thing. Where as I need to question > > everything. > > > > Much Love, > > John > > , Julie > > <jewelport@> wrote: > >> > >> God exists within each and everyone and by himself, the uncreated > > Creator who does not depend on anything or anyone; therefore I am who > > I am....................... > >> > >> > >> Julie > >> > >> --- On Sat, 9/20/08, chrism <@> wrote: > >> > >> <@> > >> Re: Kundalini Seniors... > > or upstart juniors > >> > >> Saturday, September 20, 2008, 8:11 PM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> It takes two to become one John here in the dual expression. How > > that > >> is divided or parceled is not material for me. " I Am " is all that > >> there is. imho - blessings and love my friend - chrism > >> > >> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 (AT) (DOT) > > com, " johndplumber " > >> <jaganatha@ ..> wrote: > >> > > >> > Yes so i ask, is the shakti who is realy is to become " I am " > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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