drugs and k

[Guest guest]

Because of my addictive personality, drugs of all kinds took me on a 25 year journey that was not such a spiritual learning experience. I did it all and wound up in the gutter with no respect for myself and cut off from all that I loved including my children. I can see no good in any of it. I wound up in a Veterans Administration hospital twice in one month with overdoses. I was DOA both times.I had 8 arrests and over 100 jobs. My children were held at gunpoint.I was suicidal and a wreck spiritually with no visible guidance and no God to guide me. I hated authority and anybody telling me what to do. I don't know why anyone would risk this way to come to k. When I see the talk on this site it makes me quiver. I guess you have a choice to enter this world, but why? Today the recovery of a 12 step program and my spiritual path bring me back to reality and

help me remove the vail that surrounded me for so long. 18 years clean and I stuggle to not return. You may not make it out if you enter and the vale won't help the clarity needed to say hello to k.

 

Love,

Jake--- On Mon, 9/22/08, alayafire <ari.reza wrote:

alayafire <ari.reza Re: Eth0gens vs "drugs" Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:49 AM

 

 

>*** I don't use any mind-altering substances myself, too sensitive now.BrandiNeither do I now , I did about 7 years ago. they made me infinitely more sensitive than before, back to childhood levels.Paula*** But I found this comment interesting - are "drugs" automatically "bad"? Can't they be used with knowledge and respect and be life-enhancing too? Couldn't "Eth0gens" also be used in a very negative way and ruin someone's life if they were abused? Tylenol is a "drug". People have died overdosing on it. No one has ever died from a MJ overdose to my knowledge, yet it's seen as a "dangerous drug" in many people's minds. Is this a value judgement on a substance, the way it's used or something more?> > BrandiI have never used mj , but have used jurem@ , peyot£, ayahu (AT) aca (DOT) .to me mj is classed as plants of the gods used by the yogis an eth0gen..Mj was

demonised along with others by the british because we had a war with china over opium, before then even queen Victoria used cocaine and heroin!! paracetamol ,calpol (is that tylenol for you guys?) was announced on uk news this week of being responsible in a study to cause childhood asthma.for me definately in the drug category, along with childhood vaccines.But of course once your kundalini is flowing there is no need for any of this , this is part of pre-kundalini.Paula

[Guest guest]

Jake,

Congratulations on your journey out of purgatory....................Thank you for the courage of your post................

 

Blessings

Julie--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Andrew Carney <jakecarney36 wrote:

Andrew Carney <jakecarney36 drugs and k Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 10:34 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because of my addictive personality, drugs of all kinds took me on a 25 year journey that was not such a spiritual learning experience. I did it all and wound up in the gutter with no respect for myself and cut off from all that I loved including my children. I can see no good in any of it. I wound up in a Veterans Administration hospital twice in one month with overdoses. I was DOA both times.I had 8 arrests and over 100 jobs. My children were held at gunpoint.I was suicidal and a wreck spiritually with no visible guidance and no God to guide me. I hated authority and anybody telling me what to do. I don't know why anyone would risk this way to come to k. When I see the talk on this site it makes me quiver. I guess you have a choice to enter this world, but why? Today the recovery of a 12 step program and my spiritual path bring me back to reality and help me remove the vail that surrounded me for so long. 18

years clean and I stuggle to not return. You may not make it out if you enter and the vale won't help the clarity needed to say hello to k.

 

Love,

Jake--- On Mon, 9/22/08, alayafire <ari.reza (AT) ntlworld (DOT) .com> wrote:

alayafire <ari.reza (AT) ntlworld (DOT) com>[Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: Eth0gens vs "drugs"Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:49 AM

 

 

>*** I don't use any mind-altering substances myself, too sensitive now.BrandiNeither do I now , I did about 7 years ago. they made me infinitely more sensitive than before, back to childhood levels.Paula*** But I found this comment interesting - are "drugs" automatically "bad"? Can't they be used with knowledge and respect and be life-enhancing too? Couldn't "Eth0gens" also be used in a very negative way and ruin someone's life if they were abused? Tylenol is a "drug". People have died overdosing on it. No one has ever died from a MJ overdose to my knowledge, yet it's seen as a "dangerous drug" in many people's minds. Is this a value judgement on a substance, the way it's used or something more?> > BrandiI have never used mj , but have used jurem@ , peyot£, ayahu (AT) aca (DOT) .to me mj is classed as plants of the gods used by the yogis an eth0gen..Mj was

demonised along with others by the british because we had a war with china over opium, before then even queen Victoria used cocaine and heroin!! paracetamol ,calpol (is that tylenol for you guys?) was announced on uk news this week of being responsible in a study to cause childhood asthma.for me definately in the drug category, along with childhood vaccines.But of course once your kundalini is flowing there is no need for any of this , this is part of pre-kundalini.Paula

[Guest guest]

God bless you Jake! You have gone through hell to get where you are

and I congratulate you. I also thank you for your comment about

quivering when you read the posts about drugs here. has told

us MANY times that drugs are NOT the way to Kundalini and I do wish

that the message would sink in. wrote one very good, long

post that covers the subject exhaustively and is now on our website

under " Articles, Health 03...Drugs & Kundalini. " I encourage

everyone to read that article.

 

I see no reason for there to be any discussion of drugs here since

(1) they are not the path to the K, and (2) we could get into trouble

with for using drug-specific language here. Perhaps this topic

of discussion can end with this post! I hope so.

 

Blessings & love,

Claudia

 

 

, Andrew Carney

<jakecarney36 wrote:

>

> Because of my addictive personality, drugs of all kinds took me on

a 25 year journey that was not such a spiritual learning experience.

I did it all and wound up in the gutter with no respect for myself

and cut off from all that I loved including my children. I can see no

good in any of it. I wound up in a Veterans Administration hospital

twice in one month with overdoses. I was DOA both times.I had 8

arrests and over 100 jobs. My children were held at gunpoint.I was

suicidal and a wreck spiritually with no visible guidance and no God

to guide me. I hated authority and anybody telling me what to do. I

don't know why anyone would risk this way to come to k. When I see

the talk on this site it makes me quiver. I guess you have a choice

to enter this world, but why? Today the recovery of a 12 step program

and my spiritual path bring me back to reality and help me remove the

vail that surrounded me for so long. 18 years clean and I stuggle to

not return. You

> may not make it out if you enter and the vale won't help the

clarity needed to say hello to k.

>  

> Love,

> Jake

>

> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, alayafire <ari.reza wrote:

>

> alayafire <ari.reza

> Re: Eth0gens vs " drugs "

>

> Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:49 AM

>

>*** I don't use any mind-altering substances myself, too sensitive

> now.

> Brandi

>

> Neither do I now , I did about 7 years ago. they made me infinitely

> more sensitive than before, back to childhood levels.

>

> Paula

>

> *** But I found this comment interesting - are " drugs "

> automatically " bad " ? Can't they be used with knowledge and respect

> and be life-enhancing too? Couldn't " Eth0gens " also be used in a

> very negative way and ruin someone's life if they were abused?

> Tylenol is a " drug " . People have died overdosing on it. No one has

> ever died from a MJ overdose to my knowledge, yet it's seen as

> a " dangerous drug " in many people's minds. Is this a value

judgement

> on a substance, the way it's used or something more?

> >

> > Brandi

>

> I have never used mj , but have used jurem@ , peyot£, ayahu (AT) aca (DOT) .

> to me mj is classed as plants of the gods used by the yogis an

> eth0gen..Mj was demonised along with others by the british because

> we had a war with china over opium, before then even queen Victoria

> used cocaine and heroin!!

>

> paracetamol ,calpol (is that tylenol for you guys?) was announced

on

> uk news this week of being responsible in a study to cause

childhood

> asthma.for me definately in the drug category, along with childhood

> vaccines.

>

> But of course once your kundalini is flowing there is no need for

> any of this , this is part of pre-kundalini.

>

> Paula

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jake the herbs I have mentioned previously , don't at all lend

themselves to being used recreatinally as they are far from fun.

They are a travel into your own shadow and the collective shadow,

they teach about death and being comfortable with death , they don't

put you in a party mood. Myself I am facinated with my own dark side

to surface it to light that is why in 95% reclusive now..

 

Your journey greatly interests me , as you were attracted to

*something* for 25 years, you believed it enough to go to the gutter

for it. Through vietnam ,you found the goverment that you were

willing to die for was not so honourable. Your veil collapsed,

as did mine when I discovered my child was poisoned purposely with

vaccines. You say you had no god, I dispute that, god let the veil

slip. When the veil slips the shock is hard. Pay honour to your

journey into the darkness , It lead you here, from this you will

heal.

 

I remember the day my veil slipped , I thought of suicide but I had

to stay for my kid, Mabruk was in pieces, they needed my strength.

So I took it out on my hair instead. Hair is the virtue and honour

of a woman and I shaved it to the skin, after it was shaved I felt

reborn, I was fire, I drove myself to be wealthy , I became

political and made a difference, no more ignorant bliss.

 

The wealthier and stronger I became , the freer I grew, through this

freedom and search for answers came more slips of the veil. All of

the scientists I met, all of the medical terms I learned meant

nothing, Asiya was still autistic...now enters the dragon..

 

I drank the magical brew , I wanted answers , If I died, Id die

satisfied....I was going to fix my baby..

 

What the brew showed me was Asiya Is perfectly happy, a massive

glowing huge ball of love energy, she exudes love..to the brew she

wasn't broken. To the brew I was broken, it showed me the path to

acceptance, I had to change, I had to see the world as she does

through the eyes of love , and unconditional acceptance.

 

It was a powerful lesson , I have been working on until this day,

Now the word autism isnt part of our vocabulary , And Asiya Is our

wonderful gift of love, that we would not change for the world.

 

love

Paula

 

 

> Because of my addictive personality, drugs of all kinds took me on

a 25 year journey that was not such a spiritual learning experience.

Jake

[Guest guest]

What a perfect description. I have been running after that it* for years. It

led me here. That is why I seek Kundalini.

 

Namaste,

Annette

 

--- On Mon, 9/22/08, alayafire <ari.reza wrote:

 

alayafire <ari.reza

Re: drugs and k

 

Monday, September 22, 2008, 4:21 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

We

could learn what it* was he searching for, when he risked absolutely

everything in his life,to find it* . To me this is extremely valid,

his journey is hard but has beauty among it's ugliness.Id like to

learn from his journey about a love that dare not speak it's name.

 

Love Paula

[Guest guest]

Hi Paula,

 

I seems that the government will use anything it deems, in order

to control the masses. Fortunately, they cannot control K ~ but

perhaps when we all have chips inside us, hopefully, they will not

find a way. Big Brother is watching and getting Bigger all the time.

An example of this is in the movie Endgame and it shows how we will

becomes slaves one day.

 

Kind regards...Angelina

 

, " alayafire "

<ari.reza wrote:

>

> Namastie Claudia.

> Much respect to you Claudia,I post this not in conflict to you but I

> think that Brandi's topic is a good one.If we can approach the

> subject properly and without prejudgement, we could help some of our

> fellow travellers surface their shadows, allowing more spiritual

> growth for us all.

>

> Jake has spent 25 years in hell and heaven, what a great amount of

> knowledge this man has learned to teach the younger generation.We

> could learn what it* was he searching for, when he risked absolutely

> everything in his life,to find it* . To me this is extremely valid,

> his journey is hard but has beauty among it's ugliness.Id like to

> learn from his journey about a love that dare not speak it's name.

>

>

> Love Paula

>

>

>

>

> , " Claudia "

> <newtfoodbowl@> wrote:

> >

> > God bless you Jake! You have gone through hell to get where you

> are

> > and I congratulate you. I also thank you for your comment about

> > quivering when you read the posts about drugs here. has

> told

> > us MANY times that drugs are NOT the way to Kundalini and I do

> wish

> > that the message would sink in. wrote one very good, long

> > post that covers the subject exhaustively and is now on our

> website

> > under " Articles, Health 03...Drugs & Kundalini. " I encourage

> > everyone to read that article.

> >

> > I see no reason for there to be any discussion of drugs here since

> > (1) they are not the path to the K, and (2) we could get into

> trouble

> > with for using drug-specific language here. Perhaps this

> topic

> > of discussion can end with this post! I hope so.

> >

> > Blessings & love,

> > Claudia

> >

> >

> > , Andrew

> Carney

> > <jakecarney36@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Because of my addictive personality, drugs of all kinds took me

> on

> > a 25 year journey that was not such a spiritual learning

> experience.

> > I did it all and wound up in the gutter with no respect for myself

> > and cut off from all that I loved including my children. I can see

> no

> > good in any of it. I wound up in a Veterans Administration

> hospital

> > twice in one month with overdoses. I was DOA both times.I had 8

> > arrests and over 100 jobs. My children were held at gunpoint.I was

> > suicidal and a wreck spiritually with no visible guidance and no

> God

> > to guide me. I hated authority and anybody telling me what to do.

> I

> > don't know why anyone would risk this way to come to k. When I see

> > the talk on this site it makes me quiver. I guess you have a

> choice

> > to enter this world, but why? Today the recovery of a 12 step

> program

> > and my spiritual path bring me back to reality and help me remove

> the

> > vail that surrounded me for so long. 18 years clean and I stuggle

> to

> > not return. You

> > > may not make it out if you enter and the vale won't help the

> > clarity needed to say hello to k.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > > Jake

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, alayafire <ari.reza@> wrote:

> > >

> > > alayafire <ari.reza@>

> > > Re: Eth0gens vs " drugs "

> > >

> > > Monday, September 22, 2008, 7:49 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >*** I don't use any mind-altering substances myself, too

> sensitive

> > > now.

> > > Brandi

> > >

> > > Neither do I now , I did about 7 years ago. they made me

> infinitely

> > > more sensitive than before, back to childhood levels.

> > >

> > > Paula

> > >

> > > *** But I found this comment interesting - are " drugs "

> > > automatically " bad " ? Can't they be used with knowledge and

> respect

> > > and be life-enhancing too? Couldn't " Eth0gens " also be used in a

> > > very negative way and ruin someone's life if they were abused?

> > > Tylenol is a " drug " . People have died overdosing on it. No one

> has

> > > ever died from a MJ overdose to my knowledge, yet it's seen as

> > > a " dangerous drug " in many people's minds. Is this a value

> > judgement

> > > on a substance, the way it's used or something more?

> > > >

> > > > Brandi

> > >

> > > I have never used mj , but have used jurem@ , peyot£, ayahu (AT) aca (DOT) .

> > > to me mj is classed as plants of the gods used by the yogis an

> > > eth0gen..Mj was demonised along with others by the british

> because

> > > we had a war with china over opium, before then even queen

> Victoria

> > > used cocaine and heroin!!

> > >

> > > paracetamol ,calpol (is that tylenol for you guys?) was

> announced

> > on

> > > uk news this week of being responsible in a study to cause

> > childhood

> > > asthma.for me definately in the drug category, along with

> childhood

> > > vaccines.

> > >

> > > But of course once your kundalini is flowing there is no need

> for

> > > any of this , this is part of pre-kundalini.

> > >

> > > Paula

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Paula:

Didn't mean to preach because after all I got here and so did you and your family. I just wanted to caution about using the methods that I used to get here. I see and respect the method that you used for your revaluation and didn't mean to judge anyone.

 

Thanks for the nice reply.

Jake --- On Mon, 9/22/08, alayafire <ari.reza wrote:

[Guest guest]

I dont know guys

this just seems a little bit of topic. look they will have you

beliving there is no natural law by replacing it with the statutes

they conjure up. As i have said in previous threads if you know who

you are (that you are not of there creations) they have no power of

juristiction.

If you happen to break one of there statutes just pay the fine there

is no money there is only credit and if you know who you are know

that you are the creditor. Money is based on the credit of the labour

of the people without your imput there promisary notes or the coined

currency on which either has little or no intrinsic value will

collapse. Have you ever wondered about genisis and the one hundred

and fourty four thousand, do you know that there is 72000 nadis of

the astral aura ida pingala and shushmna are three of them and the

most important ones. Couple the 72000 with with agna and sarraswarra

as in the full blown awakening and you may become one of the 144000

elders that sits on the table with the Christ. You then tell me how

they can ever stop the kundalini.

In GOD we trust

OH gaud

John

, " alayafire "

<ari.reza wrote:

>

> You should see the Uk they say that there is a camera to watch us

> for every 13 people!I was watching a show about the police, they

> have become bullies with shaven heads akin to stormtroopers,what

> happened to our friendly force with a helpful smile on their face,

> I respected those guys.

>

> Kundalini... yes it too will soon be outlawed via codex! no more

> shaktipat by law , so carpe diem!

>

> Would a rfid chip block the K , putting a glass ceiling on your

> higher frequencies ? Moral question, If a chip comes my way should

I

> bribe my way out , ethical or not,? lol

>

> The double edged sword again , the chip could have been used to set

> us all free, they could have fed it with the solfeggio scale love

> frequencies, and the world would have had bliss and kundalini!!

> Funny old world, as the english say lol!

>

> warm wishes and don't fear, it's part of the game..

> love conquers all

> Paula

>

>

>

> Kundalini-Awakening-Systems-

> 1 , " gypsyeyes_101 " <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Paula,

> >

> > I seems that the government will use anything it deems, in order

> > to control the masses. Fortunately, they cannot control K ~ but

> > perhaps when we all have chips inside us, hopefully, they will not

> > find a way. Big Brother is watching and getting Bigger all the

> time.

> > An example of this is in the movie Endgame and it shows how we

> will

> > becomes slaves one day.

> >

> > Kind regards...Angelina

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Jake I know you were not preaching

 

paula..

 

 

, Andrew Carney

<jakecarney36 wrote:

>

> Paula:

> Didn't mean to preach because after all I got here and so did you

and your family. I just wanted to caution about using the methods

that I used to get here. I see and respect the method that you used

for your revaluation and didn't mean to judge anyone.

>  

> Thanks for the nice reply.

> Jake 

>

> --- On Mon, 9/22/08, alayafire <ari.reza wrote:

>