Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 This is a reasoning to prove that, if we need to KEEP our drops of energy that we collect with spending time and effort, it is useful for us not only, not killing animals, but also being friendly with insects, plants, and rocks, AND animals, as they appear more conscious than rocks, while we are blind. Those who see, (me not included yet), they reported the same level of consciousness in rocks and human animals and other animals - the same. ================================================ second preface i made a similitude of internet connection in this text, as all here have an internet connection and know the difference between broadband and modem connection ================================================ < Not Eating Plants > I try to not eat them, but I have to buy some vegetables for my birds. They need vegetables. If they were free, they were picking up themselves, now that they live with me I have to buy for them. And I can not let them free, they will die fast, they are not used to street fight living like other birds. < Nullifying Karma of eating plants > It will create a small Karma. If we offer <the power that we get from food> to the Unified Field, then its Karma will be removed. Krishna said that. Offering the power means < doing free things for others, animals and other humans > Because we eat, so we get energy, what do we do with that energy? If we spend some of that energy for other creatures FREE of charge, work does not count, we work we get paid, then it will help nullifying Karma, if we have created karma by eating that food. Small Karma can be nullified by doing SCRIFICE = LOVE action = Action without expectation of reward. ACTION counts, not writing poetry about love. That small Karma, can be created because of eating some plants, (if avoidable, then preferable) then we do not need to spend that energy to nullify the Karma, we can use it to store it and to activate the connection (increasing the bandwidth of connection) If we create that Karma and spend the energy to nullify the Karma, then we have less energy to increase the bandwidth of connection With higher bandwidth of connection and higher data transfer rate, we can get more power sooner, with greater amounts of power we can do what we have got to do. If one continuously is struggling with creating Karma and killing himself to create energy just to nullify that karma, then certainly one life time is not enough to get to the state that Buddha attained. It is our choice. Do we want to get out of here now? Or we still are in primary state of consciousness, similar to those that really are enjoying being here. Go to a night club, look at those primates. They really are enjoying jumping up and down. Let them be, none of my business. My concern is to collect and store every drop of energy that I can get to keep my bank account (IN SKY ABOVE BANK) high, so one day they let me buy the airplane ticket out. OUT. If one is not happy here, then should treat <plants> and <ants> as friends, what about a <big cow>. What is name of your friend? Susan? Tom? Jerry, X? DO you KILL X and burn his hand and eat it? NO. Why? Because he is your friend. How can you do that with that broccoli plant or that cat or that fish or that chicken, (if they are your friends) If they are not your friends, that is fine, like this bush man kill all iraq people take their oil and give to your real friends in UK and USA. That is fine. But bush guy is not a CREATURE IOF LIGHT AND LOVE. He did not claim that. He is ll right, will be back 10,000 times to understand, iraq guy and los angelse guy and cow and worm and broccoli are THE SAME. They are ALL friends. This needs intelligence more than what he has. He is (personally) excused & #61514; < Who was Krishna? > He was not the God He was a man He was similar to Lord Buddha But he was connected with T3 connection (figuratively) So In that sense we can trust that, he was God. Same as Jesus, he had a T3 connection. In fact no one is God except then the WHOLE EXISTENCE as ONE unit. The unity exists as one and one is all theoretically. And us, are parts of God any way. But Some can and do connect strongly (wide bandwidth, high data transfer rate - T3 , not modem) Then They transfer knowledge directly from the field to others Such as • Buddha (certainly) • Krishna (certainly) • Jesus, Mohammad, Moses (certainly) • Rama (probably) • Hallaj (certainly) • Bayazeed (certainly) • Dattatreya (certainly) • Patanjali (certainly) • Neeb Karooli Baba (certainly) • Swami Prabhupada (most probably) • Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (most probably) • (certainly) • Ching hi (certainly but to the dark side) There are a few in the history < You > and < I > can do it too, I mean the T3 connection. I am working on it the most serious way; this is a small price to pay. With the view of < Unlimited Knowledge > in the horizon to grab, what ever it takes, worth it. My ADSL line is connected, but I want a T3 connection like Dattatreya. ADSL keeps me here another 200 rounds. Not good enough. This planet sucks. ADSL 6 Mbps E3 34.368 Mbps T3 44.736 Mbps ============================== May the force be with you and if there are drops of SHOW OFF, or other non-sense ego related matter in presenting this text, i be forgiven, as i think that my intention is transfering a bit of information that might be useful for someone. =============================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 not eating plants? i guess you can just eat jelly beans. no karma there. except for the organisms that are killed in the manufacturing... damn. no jelly beans, anything you eat will cause harm to something else, breathing in you kill organisms. you can try wearing a mask like jains do, but to no avail. you will be still be killing. there's no escaping it, accept it, you are dependent on your environment for survival. yes that environment is alive but so are you, and on the deepest level there is NO difference between you and any animal, plant, or organism, or even rock that you decide to eat. i think all that is needed is mindfulness on thees matters.. not attaching to these ideas while causing yourself harm. not everyone is made out to be a vegan, or a jelly beanan. secondly, your metaphor is nice but do you have any factual proof of karma or the source of the connection or anything in that regard? or are you solely basing your whole life on concepts you read in a book? not to burst your bubble, i mean this in a nice way. but this doesn't sound any different than a fundamentalist christian thinking that donating to his church gets him into heaven. i don't believe in karma as a " points system " where you need at least 100 to get a better rebirth. i think the point is to have the right intent behind your actions, and with this in mind. there is nothing wrong with eating plants or animals. if your intent is to help humanity and you need food to keep going.. then the sacrifice is worth it. would you rather stay alive and spread the message of love? or die of starvation because you're afraid to get bad karma by eating anything just my two cents, take it for what its worth. a simple opinion. , " Shahin " <sh1963sh wrote: > > This is a reasoning to prove that, if we need to KEEP our drops of > energy that we collect with spending time and effort, it is useful for > us not only, not killing animals, but also being friendly with > insects, plants, and rocks, AND animals, as they appear more conscious > than rocks, while we are blind. Those who see, (me not included yet), > they reported the same level of consciousness in rocks and human > animals and other animals - the same. > ================================================ > second preface > i made a similitude of internet connection in this text, as all here > have an internet connection and know the difference between broadband > and modem connection > ================================================ > > < Not Eating Plants > > I try to not eat them, but I have to buy some vegetables for my birds. > They need vegetables. If they were free, they were picking up > themselves, now that they live with me I have to buy for them. And I > can not let them free, they will die fast, they are not used to street > fight living like other birds. > > > < Nullifying Karma of eating plants > > It will create a small Karma. > If we offer <the power that we get from food> to the Unified Field, > then its Karma will be removed. > Krishna said that. > > Offering the power means < doing free things for others, animals and > other humans > > Because we eat, so we get energy, what do we do with that energy? > If we spend some of that energy for other creatures FREE of charge, > work does not count, we work we get paid, then it will help nullifying > Karma, if we have created karma by eating that food. > > Small Karma can be nullified by doing SCRIFICE = LOVE action = Action > without expectation of reward. > > ACTION counts, not writing poetry about love. > > That small Karma, can be created because of eating some plants, (if > avoidable, then preferable) then we do not need to spend that energy > to nullify the Karma, we can use it to store it and to activate the > connection (increasing the bandwidth of connection) > > If we create that Karma and spend the energy to nullify the Karma, > then we have less energy to increase the bandwidth of connection > > With higher bandwidth of connection and higher data transfer rate, we > can get more power sooner, with greater amounts of power we can do > what we have got to do. If one continuously is struggling with > creating Karma and killing himself to create energy just to nullify > that karma, then certainly one life time is not enough to get to the > state that Buddha attained. It is our choice. Do we want to get out of > here now? Or we still are in primary state of consciousness, similar > to those that really are enjoying being here. > > Go to a night club, look at those primates. They really are enjoying > jumping up and down. Let them be, none of my business. My concern is > to collect and store every drop of energy that I can get to keep my > bank account (IN SKY ABOVE BANK) high, so one day they let me buy the > airplane ticket out. OUT. > > If one is not happy here, then should treat <plants> and <ants> as > friends, what about a <big cow>. What is name of your friend? Susan? > Tom? Jerry, X? DO you KILL X and burn his hand and eat it? NO. Why? > Because he is your friend. How can you do that with that broccoli > plant or that cat or that fish or that chicken, (if they are your friends) > > If they are not your friends, that is fine, like this bush man kill > all iraq people take their oil and give to your real friends in UK and > USA. That is fine. But bush guy is not a CREATURE IOF LIGHT AND LOVE. > He did not claim that. He is ll right, will be back 10,000 times to > understand, iraq guy and los angelse guy and cow and worm and broccoli > are THE SAME. They are ALL friends. This needs intelligence more than > what he has. He is (personally) excused & #61514; > > < Who was Krishna? > > He was not the God > He was a man > He was similar to Lord Buddha > But he was connected with T3 connection (figuratively) > So > In that sense we can trust that, he was God. Same as Jesus, he had a > T3 connection. In fact no one is God except then the WHOLE EXISTENCE > as ONE unit. The unity exists as one and one is all theoretically. And > us, are parts of God any way. > > But > Some can and do connect strongly (wide bandwidth, high data transfer > rate - T3 , not modem) > > Then > They transfer knowledge directly from the field to others > Such as > > • Buddha (certainly) > • Krishna (certainly) > • Jesus, Mohammad, Moses (certainly) > • Rama (probably) > • Hallaj (certainly) > • Bayazeed (certainly) > • Dattatreya (certainly) > • Patanjali (certainly) > • Neeb Karooli Baba (certainly) > • Swami Prabhupada (most probably) > • Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (most probably) > • (certainly) > • Ching hi (certainly but to the dark side) > > There are a few in the history > > < You > and < I > can do it too, I mean the T3 connection. I am > working on it the most serious way; this is a small price to pay. With > the view of < Unlimited Knowledge > in the horizon to grab, what ever > it takes, worth it. My ADSL line is connected, but I want a T3 > connection like Dattatreya. ADSL keeps me here another 200 rounds. Not > good enough. This planet sucks. > ADSL 6 Mbps > E3 34.368 Mbps > T3 44.736 Mbps > ============================== > > May the force be with you and if there are drops of SHOW OFF, or other > non-sense ego related matter in presenting this text, i be forgiven, > as i think that my intention is transfering a bit of information that > might be useful for someone. > > =============================== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Hi Mikael, I agree that there is no way to eat without harming something that was once alive. There is a complex pecking order in this world and it can be thrown off balance. I also agree about Karma. I think the intent behind what we do is of the utmost importance. If we give service to someone and we resent it, do we still gain positive Karma? It is giving freely because the desire for service inside us is *aching* to get out that counts, imho. Sarita , "mikael" <mixolyd wrote:>> not eating plants?> > i guess you can just eat jelly beans. no karma there.> except for the organisms that are killed in the manufacturing... damn.> no jelly beans,> > anything you eat will cause harm to something else, breathing in you> kill organisms. you can try wearing a mask like jains do, but to no> avail. you will be still be killing.......i don't believe in karma as a "points system" where you need at least 100 to get a better rebirth. i think the point is to have the rightintent behind your actions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 It is giving freely because the desire > for service inside us is *aching* to get out that counts, imho.** Sarita Im my opinion I personally could only give service and be involved with a person I respected and cared about.The *aching* to help is what drives me. My ego would rather not be involved and walk away leaving them in their soup but *something* in me causes this great *aching* to help I can't ignore if my head were on fire..even if it causes me personal conflict.. Paula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Shahin my friend, in my humble opinion, you are a mass of contradictions. How can you proclaim that 'it is useful for > us not only, not killing animals, but also being friendly with > insects, plants, and rocks, AND animals,' and you say 'In fact no one is God except then the WHOLE EXISTENCE as ONE unit. The unity exists as one and one is all theoretically.' Yet, on the other hand, you say 'This planet sucks. I want out'. This implies that you are unable to befriend this planet, that you are unable to befriend God, that you are unable to find the unity of your experience within you. Where is the friendliness in 'this planet sucks. I want out'? Where is the courage? Where is the willingness to work with reality as it is, not as you want it to be? From my perspective, I dont percieve your letters as very friendly, rather, I percieve them as an attack on people who do not follow your dietary preferences. At some point, you may stop arguing with reality and find peace. That's when you will find your liberation, and you dont need to leave the planet to find that salvation. Perhaps you could learn to inhabit perspectives beyond your own as a first step to finding peace, to learning to be at ease. And, you know what? When you finally learn to inabit worlds beyond your own, beyond your ideas and convictions of right and wrong, thats where love starts to flower, by itself, uncoiling following its own ache for goodness and for light, for care and for embrace. do you know the love current of 'agape', the loving unconditional embrace of what is? warm regards and agape Bruce oh..by the way...I like to go to nightclubs sometimes and act like a primate, and dance and celebrate and throw my energy around and watch Spirit doing its mating dance...and I love being a monkey..ha .and if you havnt let loose for a while, maybe you could consider having some fun in your life and let all that pent up energy that you are saving go sometime... , " Shahin " <sh1963sh wrote: > > This is a reasoning to prove that, if we need to KEEP our drops of > energy that we collect with spending time and effort, it is useful for > us not only, not killing animals, but also being friendly with > insects, plants, and rocks, AND animals, as they appear more conscious > than rocks, while we are blind. Those who see, (me not included yet), > they reported the same level of consciousness in rocks and human > animals and other animals - the same. > ================================================ > second preface > i made a similitude of internet connection in this text, as all here > have an internet connection and know the difference between broadband > and modem connection > ================================================ > > < Not Eating Plants > > I try to not eat them, but I have to buy some vegetables for my birds. > They need vegetables. If they were free, they were picking up > themselves, now that they live with me I have to buy for them. And I > can not let them free, they will die fast, they are not used to street > fight living like other birds. > > > < Nullifying Karma of eating plants > > It will create a small Karma. > If we offer <the power that we get from food> to the Unified Field, > then its Karma will be removed. > Krishna said that. > > Offering the power means < doing free things for others, animals and > other humans > > Because we eat, so we get energy, what do we do with that energy? > If we spend some of that energy for other creatures FREE of charge, > work does not count, we work we get paid, then it will help nullifying > Karma, if we have created karma by eating that food. > > Small Karma can be nullified by doing SCRIFICE = LOVE action = Action > without expectation of reward. > > ACTION counts, not writing poetry about love. > > That small Karma, can be created because of eating some plants, (if > avoidable, then preferable) then we do not need to spend that energy > to nullify the Karma, we can use it to store it and to activate the > connection (increasing the bandwidth of connection) > > If we create that Karma and spend the energy to nullify the Karma, > then we have less energy to increase the bandwidth of connection > > With higher bandwidth of connection and higher data transfer rate, we > can get more power sooner, with greater amounts of power we can do > what we have got to do. If one continuously is struggling with > creating Karma and killing himself to create energy just to nullify > that karma, then certainly one life time is not enough to get to the > state that Buddha attained. It is our choice. Do we want to get out of > here now? Or we still are in primary state of consciousness, similar > to those that really are enjoying being here. > > Go to a night club, look at those primates. They really are enjoying > jumping up and down. Let them be, none of my business. My concern is > to collect and store every drop of energy that I can get to keep my > bank account (IN SKY ABOVE BANK) high, so one day they let me buy the > airplane ticket out. OUT. > > If one is not happy here, then should treat <plants> and <ants> as > friends, what about a <big cow>. What is name of your friend? Susan? > Tom? Jerry, X? DO you KILL X and burn his hand and eat it? NO. Why? > Because he is your friend. How can you do that with that broccoli > plant or that cat or that fish or that chicken, (if they are your friends) > > If they are not your friends, that is fine, like this bush man kill > all iraq people take their oil and give to your real friends in UK and > USA. That is fine. But bush guy is not a CREATURE IOF LIGHT AND LOVE. > He did not claim that. He is ll right, will be back 10,000 times to > understand, iraq guy and los angelse guy and cow and worm and broccoli > are THE SAME. They are ALL friends. This needs intelligence more than > what he has. He is (personally) excused & #61514; > > < Who was Krishna? > > He was not the God > He was a man > He was similar to Lord Buddha > But he was connected with T3 connection (figuratively) > So > In that sense we can trust that, he was God. Same as Jesus, he had a > T3 connection. In fact no one is God except then the WHOLE EXISTENCE > as ONE unit. The unity exists as one and one is all theoretically. And > us, are parts of God any way. > > But > Some can and do connect strongly (wide bandwidth, high data transfer > rate - T3 , not modem) > > Then > They transfer knowledge directly from the field to others > Such as > > • Buddha (certainly) > • Krishna (certainly) > • Jesus, Mohammad, Moses (certainly) > • Rama (probably) > • Hallaj (certainly) > • Bayazeed (certainly) > • Dattatreya (certainly) > • Patanjali (certainly) > • Neeb Karooli Baba (certainly) > • Swami Prabhupada (most probably) > • Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (most probably) > • (certainly) > • Ching hi (certainly but to the dark side) > > There are a few in the history > > < You > and < I > can do it too, I mean the T3 connection. I am > working on it the most serious way; this is a small price to pay. With > the view of < Unlimited Knowledge > in the horizon to grab, what ever > it takes, worth it. My ADSL line is connected, but I want a T3 > connection like Dattatreya. ADSL keeps me here another 200 rounds. Not > good enough. This planet sucks. > ADSL 6 Mbps > E3 34.368 Mbps > T3 44.736 Mbps > ============================== > > May the force be with you and if there are drops of SHOW OFF, or other > non-sense ego related matter in presenting this text, i be forgiven, > as i think that my intention is transfering a bit of information that > might be useful for someone. > > =============================== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 I am working through this idea too. I find all of life sacred, and killing one to keep myself alive does not at first make sense. I think it is partly because we seperate ourselves from the death aspect of life. We stand back from it and view it as 'bad'. So it is unacceptable for us and unacceptable to do to any other form of life. You are right, some things in this world do suck and are completely unacceptable. I do see this, and think you are brave for pointing it out, yet I am finding, especially in K, that death is a necessary part of my life. I am not trying to make it less than it is or put bows and flowers on it. It is very scary and dark and I could not point anyone else towards it, just admire those who can go there, not by killing themselves or any aspect of themselves, but embracing the dark as well as the light. In this finding balance. I think plants and animals probably do this better than we do. I do not know what the answer is, but I believe there is one. Think on! annette --- On Fri, 9/26/08, Shahin <sh1963sh wrote: Shahin <sh1963sh this planet sucks, i want out Friday, September 26, 2008, 3:50 AM This is a reasoning to prove that, if we need to KEEP our drops of energy that we collect with spending time and effort, it is useful for us not only, not killing animals, but also being friendly with insects, plants, and rocks, AND animals, as they appear more conscious than rocks, while we are blind. Those who see, (me not included yet), they reported the same level of consciousness in rocks and human animals and other animals - the same. ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 I agree, who's to said, it just may be the plants, rocks and animals way to give service to become our food. Jesus'e life was not taken from him by us. He laid down his life himself of his own accord as a sacrifice for mankind. No one took his life, he could have stopped it anytime if he had wanted too. It was his will to lay down his life for us. I see karma being made only when the intent is on the negative side. Only through harming someone or something from selfish or cruel reasons. Linda , " Sarita " <sarita1969 wrote: > > > Hi Mikael, I agree that there is no way to eat without harming > something that was once alive. There is a complex pecking order in this > world and it can be thrown off balance. > > I also agree about Karma. I think the intent behind what we do is of > the utmost importance. If we give service to someone and we resent it, > do we still gain positive Karma? It is giving freely because the desire > for service inside us is *aching* to get out that counts, imho. > > Sarita > > > , " mikael " > <mixolyd@> wrote: > > > > not eating plants? > > > > i guess you can just eat jelly beans. no karma there. > > except for the organisms that are killed in the manufacturing... damn. > > no jelly beans, > > > > anything you eat will cause harm to something else, breathing in you > > kill organisms. you can try wearing a mask like jains do, but to no > > avail. you will be still be killing.......i don't believe in karma as > a " points system " where you need at least 100 to get a better rebirth. i > think the point is to have the right > intent behind your actions > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Good advice we can all use. Many thanks Bruce! - chrism , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom wrote: > > Shahin my friend, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Its awful to ba alone, and go through this life, its hardhips, and trials, the good times and the bad times ALONE... there are 9 BILLION people on this planet, Idont know why some of us just can not find a true friend and lover to help the ease of the sting of life...when a person is alone and lonely, its easy to say, I dont like this world.. I am sympathic, lots of love to you --robert from columbus , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > I agree, who's to said, it just may be the plants, rocks and animals > way to give service to become our food. Jesus'e life was not taken > from him by us. He laid down his life himself of his own accord as a > sacrifice for mankind. No one took his life, he could have stopped it > anytime if he had wanted too. It was his will to lay down his life > for us. I see karma being made only when the intent is on the > negative side. Only through harming someone or something from selfish > or cruel reasons. > > Linda > > , " Sarita " > <sarita1969@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Mikael, I agree that there is no way to eat without harming > > something that was once alive. There is a complex pecking order in > this > > world and it can be thrown off balance. > > > > I also agree about Karma. I think the intent behind what we do is > of > > the utmost importance. If we give service to someone and we resent > it, > > do we still gain positive Karma? It is giving freely because the > desire > > for service inside us is *aching* to get out that counts, imho. > > > > Sarita > > > > > > , " mikael " > > <mixolyd@> wrote: > > > > > > not eating plants? > > > > > > i guess you can just eat jelly beans. no karma there. > > > except for the organisms that are killed in the manufacturing... > damn. > > > no jelly beans, > > > > > > anything you eat will cause harm to something else, breathing in > you > > > kill organisms. you can try wearing a mask like jains do, but to > no > > > avail. you will be still be killing.......i don't believe in > karma as > > a " points system " where you need at least 100 to get a better > rebirth. i > > think the point is to have the right > > intent behind your actions > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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