Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Hi chrism – you recently posted to the effect that, as part of the awakening process you needed to empty yourself so that you could be filled (I cannot find the specific post but the words keep coming back to me). Part of me understands what you were saying in terms of the surrender of the ego, old beliefs and material possessions, but another part of me asks how do you effectively achieve that within a westernized environment? Responsibilities in daily life require certain norms that are based on that formal learning, credibility based on proven achievements, some trappings that accompany a given status in society. I fully appreciate that in the spiritual context or on the ascension path these are of no value whatsoever, and hence the emptying process to free oneself of any prior concepts or limitations so as to allow full receptivity for the `new' in every respect. How though does one best go about effectively achieving the total emptying process while also fulfilling those daily responsibilities in the family / society context? In the same vein and in the context of the physical body, we have collectively created the illusion within which we live in the physical expression, whilst also existing in the other expressions. Within that physical expression we have numerous needs – survival, belonging etc that determine, to some extent, the way in which we behave in this expression. How best do we `marry' the needs of the physical with the other expressions within that illusion? How can we best `bridge' the gap between expressions, or how can we change or recreate the illusion in such a way that does away with the ugliness and evil that has been created by man on this plane? You have indicated that you have one foot on earth and the other in heaven – do you see all the planes, all the expressions? If so is there really a need for the physical expression? While the physical represents a plane where we exercise choice and learn while proceeding along that path of ascension, it also appears to be a particularly limiting factor in going forward. Our higher selves already have that knowledge that we are grappling to instill in the physical now – that duplicity feels, on occasion, like we are trying to reinvent the wheel so to speak – that emptying of oneself in order to receive the divine aspect of our being with which are already one! I have a feeling that you will say (quite correctly) that the answer is within and, while I feel that I am, in fact, transforming from the changes that have and continue to occur within, I have yet to find the complete answer in my meditation and in my daily life. In a lighter (and I guess physically limited) vein, being able to see and clearly know the end objective would certainly make for easier planning in going forward – rather like the little boy being able to quantify just how much he must work and save to buy that toy of desire. Of course once he has achieved that, and probably answering my questions, a new need arises so as to make the process ongoing. lol – back to that emptying process! Blessings - Jonathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Hello Jonathan, Yes it would be an easy response to merely state to you " Look within and thou shalt know " . Yet even with that there are many questions so let us begin at the basic paradigm. The body is a necessary vessel. It is even as an egg is for the development of an expression of life. Because we are tied to the flesh for our initial expressive modalities does not reflect an unchanging or un evolving method and methods of expressing inside of this reality. We grow and we change in order to grow for further change. We continue along those paths until something of a different nature causes us to grow in a different way. Kundalini is of a class of experiences that cause a radical shift from our normal pathways of learning. " Naked into the Kundalini " - this article is about some of the guiding principles and pre requisites of emergence into this radical shift and transformation of our natures. The Christ said " Come as a child " . And that does have a similar meaning to what I am expressing. Come as a person of curiosity and innocence and a zeal for learning is another way to put it and even then this may not be as linear as we may require in our busy western lifestyles. I understand your question very clearly Jonathan. For I as well struggled with these concepts though my teachers knew that my hold on the western lifestyle was and is tenuous at best. So in that way my surrender was easier. You are being asked to " empty the vessel " this means to reclaim your innocence. To empty out the burdens and responsibilities of life as you have lived it. To cleanse yourself of the denials of life and the anguish of decision. To release from your self the soil and pre- conceptive arguments that make up a world devoid of authentic experience and without a greed motivated understanding of a true physical and spiritual threshold. And still drive a car. This is where I break from 99% of the Yogi's and Holy Kundalini awakened individuals of the present time and the past ten thousand years or so. They would go off into the forest and forsake the life they had lived as successful business or professional people. They would try to leave as much money as was required for the family to live and off they go into the forest living for the search if the Kundalini. This is an outer to inner approach that I feel is best reversed. That is what is given here. I would have you drive that car in an Awakened Kundalini format. Yes I have one foot on the earth and the other hand in heaven. This merely describes the breadth of interaction not a limiting of interaction. We are in the body (earth) and are of the spirit (heaven). So let us live fully from it and as Kundalini is natural to the body and the body was indeed designed to carry it and be transformed by it let us rejoice in that transformation. Rejoice in the unlimited qualities of the expanded expression. We do this by shedding the clothing of our lifelong programming of expectation and of our intellectual presumptions of what is real. How can one run the business without these preconceptions you ask? By allowing a higher truth to replace it. By " trusting " the inner guidance to help with the tasking and the inner organization of what is and isn't in appreciation of the decisions one makes within a company. To allow the qualities of the safeties to begin to influence the act of business. Being honest for instance. Having integrity. Being tolerant. Being forgiving. Having patience etc. Here is another pseudo biblical analogy: The body is a vessel of water. The water is our consciousness and our western lifestyle expression. The water is thick with fear and doubts and impurities The water is dirty The vessel is therefore dirty We must cleanse the water before we can bring the Kundalini into it. We cleanse the vessel and we cleanse the water We are then ready for the transformation into the wine by the Kundalini. Sometimes when we cleanse the vessel it must be emptied. Sometimes the grime is so thick and so stuck to the sides that we must empty the vessel and do a radical cleansing. This is what I am suggesting Jonathan. All of our facts and beliefs need to be dumped. All of our knowledge and experience and understandings need to be put into the washer. Not all at once! Give yourself some time. But do it. Clean it up! While the washer is going we need to attend to the outer aspect of the vessel. If the shape needs a new balance then that must be taken. Programs must be received in order for that vessel to be changed. Same with the strength and the ability to hold water i.e. are there cracks in the glass? Patch them up. We need to realign our vessel into a vessel that is open to a strong transformation. So we do this while the washer is washing and extricating the soils of our western existence BUT leaving those qualities that are needed to survive albeit with some changes to those as well. Survival is needed. But there are many ways to survive even in the western societies. It's in the " how " that we survive that can allow us to learn about what is inside of our morality and what isn't. This gives us a measuring device. Because we empty the vessel doesn't mean that everything in it was wrong or impure. Purity and impurity exist side by side in our reality. A crystal can be found in the dirt. So the pure aspects come back into the vessel as the wash cycle is completed. Remember don't use any " Downey " . lol What happens when we practice and I mean really practice, in real time, the safeties is that we are washing the inner expressions. When we do the Tibetans and the inner conditionings we are also cleansing and re shaping the inner and outer expressions. We are rebalancing and coming into a purity that is needed for the Kundalini to infuse. When we release ourselves of the burdens of only being able to accept the scientific reality we are able to open to the stronger spiritually energetic reality that provides the basis for scientific measurements and existence. When we let go of constrictive belief systems that put us into a competition for truth with other people we begin to understand the multiplicity of creation. One can do these things and still drive the car. Or run the business or ride the bus or eat in a restaurant. An organic free range restaurant of course! -lol One can do this and dress and feed the children and drive them to school. One can do these activities inside of the western environment. The linear " how too " is what holds many people up with this question. How do I do this? Start with the safeties and incorporate them gradually into every aspect of your life. In the environment that you find yourself in do your best to see an overlay of another layer of reality that isn't the same as the first one. The " safeties " reality. See where the similarities are and see where they are different. As you practice the safeties you can begin to develop the discerning principles of connecting the dots between the two realities and seeing a third one begin to form. Look at: How do you use your knowledge? As a weapon of advancement? As a tool of competition? As a vector of happiness? How do you use what you know? How do you show care and friendship? What qualities of love do you hold dear and why? What can you change right now that will allow you to stay in the western environment and yet satisfy the qualities of the safeties? What do you consider " impossible " and why do you have limits on creation? Ask yourself some of these questions and honestly answer them. Use this as a way of recapitulation. You will begin to see that it is how we treat each other that allows the vessel to be cleared. You may see that it is the respect and love we show for our fellow mortals and environment and all of creation that allows us to come into balance. You may understand that in order to change we must be willing to change and that when change comes nothing is the same and yet the world is still understandable. Consciousness shifts with change and is changed as everything else changes. Hopefully this is helpful to you Jonathan and anyone who reads it. Let me know of any questions you may have as it pertains to your individual journeys and I will do my best to assist you. -blessings all! - chrism , " jonrow_2914 " <jrowland wrote: > > Hi chrism – you recently posted to the effect that, as part of the > awakening process you needed to empty yourself so that you could be > filled (I cannot find the specific post but the words keep coming back > to me). 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Guest guest Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Hi chrism - many thanks for your reply - it did provide the clarity I was looking for and I enjoyed the washing machine analogy! Undoubtedly, in part, I find that the more I change the more I yearn to change and some times the answers don't come fast enough! blessings - Jonathan , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Hello Jonathan, > Yes it would be an easy response to merely state to > you " Look within and thou shalt know " . Yet even with that there are > many questions so let us begin at the basic paradigm. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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