Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hi, I was wondering a few things recently. Everyone keeps saying how Shatki is an intelligent energy, and I do not disagree at all, but then why do we have Shaktipats? - If It's so intelligent then It will find it's own way and come on when it feels like it wouldn't it? How can a Human make any difference? Even as a channel, why would we be needed as a conduit when IT'S GOD right? Where possibly could we be needed? God could just bypass us and go directly to the individual right? - If It's so intellient then why does It ruin the lives of some/many people? Seems counterproductive. - If It's so intellient then what is the purpose of the Shaktipat, to try to encourage It to surge forward right? Well, how much effect will that have really? Won't It go wherever and whenever It feels like at It's pace? I'm still kind of confused about things. I'm having difficulty accepting some things, when I've been brought up with Jesus being the only way, the only focus, everything is through Him. I don't recall seeing any of these far out things in the Bible. Granted, I haven't read the whole Bible, but I'm just having some trouble with surrendering to Shakti, when I feel I should be surrendering to Jesus, but it doesn't feel like Jesus is here (this group and Kundalini in general). Sorry I don't mean to be difficult, I'm just trying to reconcile the Shakti with the Bible and Jesus. Still struggling with that, I want to make this work, it does feel right, everything except the praying and surrendering to Shakti. I mean no disrespect in the questions above, simply trying to understand, I hope someone can help me achieve that understanding. I mean, I had the unprovoked spinal sweep and was led here almost a year ago, I was not seeking any of this, so I do feel I am supposed to be here. I am developing more compassion and more politeness/helpfulness and generally more happy, so all is not lost ;-) Love, Confused Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Bill - all is well - you are not alone in these thoughts - you can ask anything and do not worry about how it will sound - if you are thinking it others are also -check out this site - it is a sister site where you will find christians who are k involved - lots of folks here are christians Kundalini-the-Holy-Fire-of-Christ/ i was raised catholic and always wondered about a female god - i like the idea so for me i talk to my jesus, mary and joseph ( from my childhood )and i tlak to shakti - surrendering to the Divine is surrendering to the Divine - i see all as one - the ALL that is jesus- shakti- shiva- the holy spirit - all divinity thank you for sharing these thoughts - you are a man of courage to bring up hard topics --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hi Bill,I feel a nudge to write to you,lol.The energy will reorganize your life and if you resist or are afraid,it will not be a nice trip.All the lies you have built around yourself and your priorities in life will change.What's above so below.You will be forced to let go of people and circumstances that are not in your best interest and that might include your closest relationships.There will be no lies,only truth.I would like to write more but I have to get dressed and take my 2 children to the orthodontist.Blessings to you. love,nicole , Bill <astronutski wrote: > > Hi, > I was wondering a few things recently. Everyone keeps saying how Shatki is an intelligent energy, and I do not disagree at all, but then why do we have Shaktipats? > > - If It's so intelligent then It will find it's own way and come on when it feels like it wouldn't it? How can a Human make any difference? Even as a channel, why would we be needed as a conduit when IT'S GOD right? Where possibly could we be needed? God could just bypass us and go directly to the individual right? > > - If It's so intellient then why does It ruin the lives of some/many people? Seems counterproductive. > > - If It's so intellient then what is the purpose of the Shaktipat, to try to encourage It to surge forward right? Well, how much effect will that have really? Won't It go wherever and whenever It feels like at It's pace? > > I'm still kind of confused about things. I'm having difficulty accepting some things, when I've been brought up with Jesus being the only way, the only focus, everything is through Him. I don't recall seeing any of these far out things in the Bible. Granted, I haven't read the whole Bible, but I'm just having some trouble with surrendering to Shakti, when I feel I should be surrendering to Jesus, but it doesn't feel like Jesus is here (this group and Kundalini in general). > > Sorry I don't mean to be difficult, I'm just trying to reconcile the Shakti with the Bible and Jesus. Still struggling with that, I want to make this work, it does feel right, everything except the praying and surrendering to Shakti. > > I mean no disrespect in the questions above, simply trying to understand, I hope someone can help me achieve that understanding. I mean, I had the unprovoked spinal sweep and was led here almost a year ago, I was not seeking any of this, so I do feel I am supposed to be here. I am developing more compassion and more politeness/helpfulness and generally more happy, so all is not lost ;- ) > Love, > Confused Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hello Bill, What has helped me is understanding that the " Shakti " is the Life Force. Jesus said, " I came that you might have Life, and that you might have it more abundantly. " Paul said, " Be transformed by the renewing of your mind. " " That we might have the mind of Christ. " Jesus is One with the Father. It is not something we are born with, but are transformed into. If the Holy Spirit has brought this experience into your life trust that you will not be led astray. Remember that we are told in the Scriptures that it couldn't contain everything that Christ taught, because there was just so much. And remember that these things cannot be taught, only experienced. The Holy Spirit is within you to lead you into all truth. Its a matter of Trust. Love, dhyana , Bill <astronutski wrote: > > Hi, > I was wondering a few things recently. Everyone keeps saying how Shatki is an intelligent energy, and I do not disagree at all, but then why do we have Shaktipats? > > - If It's so intelligent then It will find it's own way and come on when it feels like it wouldn't it? How can a Human make any difference? Even as a channel, why would we be needed as a conduit when IT'S GOD right? Where possibly could we be needed? God could just bypass us and go directly to the individual right? > > - If It's so intellient then why does It ruin the lives of some/many people? Seems counterproductive. > > - If It's so intellient then what is the purpose of the Shaktipat, to try to encourage It to surge forward right? Well, how much effect will that have really? Won't It go wherever and whenever It feels like at It's pace? > > I'm still kind of confused about things. I'm having difficulty accepting some things, when I've been brought up with Jesus being the only way, the only focus, everything is through Him. I don't recall seeing any of these far out things in the Bible. Granted, I haven't read the whole Bible, but I'm just having some trouble with surrendering to Shakti, when I feel I should be surrendering to Jesus, but it doesn't feel like Jesus is here (this group and Kundalini in general). > > Sorry I don't mean to be difficult, I'm just trying to reconcile the Shakti with the Bible and Jesus. Still struggling with that, I want to make this work, it does feel right, everything except the praying and surrendering to Shakti. > > I mean no disrespect in the questions above, simply trying to understand, I hope someone can help me achieve that understanding. I mean, I had the unprovoked spinal sweep and was led here almost a year ago, I was not seeking any of this, so I do feel I am supposed to be here. I am developing more compassion and more politeness/helpfulness and generally more happy, so all is not lost ;-) > Love, > Confused Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hi Bill, I went through the same as you, but what keep me going was the fact that it happened spontaneous with me, but even so, I questioned rather it was some test or if it was of God. What helped me the most was reading a book called, " The Shining Ones-The World's Most Powerful Secret Society Revealed " by Philip Gardiner. This is a history book found in the history section of book stores. Going by this book, back in the bible days only the priest and leaders and secret societies were allowed to be initiated into these teachings. They were kept from the commom people. I can see why it was kept from the common people back then, but now we have had 2000 years of learning to love one another. Maybe it is just time for it to be given to all people who have made advancements spiritually. Love, Linda , Bill <astronutski wrote: > > Hi, > I was wondering a few things recently. Everyone keeps saying how Shatki is an intelligent energy, and I do not disagree at all, but then why do we have Shaktipats? > > - If It's so intelligent then It will find it's own way and come on when it feels like it wouldn't it? How can a Human make any difference? Even as a channel, why would we be needed as a conduit when IT'S GOD right? Where possibly could we be needed? God could just bypass us and go directly to the individual right? > > - If It's so intellient then why does It ruin the lives of some/many people? Seems counterproductive. > > - If It's so intellient then what is the purpose of the Shaktipat, to try to encourage It to surge forward right? Well, how much effect will that have really? Won't It go wherever and whenever It feels like at It's pace? > > I'm still kind of confused about things. I'm having difficulty accepting some things, when I've been brought up with Jesus being the only way, the only focus, everything is through Him. I don't recall seeing any of these far out things in the Bible. Granted, I haven't read the whole Bible, but I'm just having some trouble with surrendering to Shakti, when I feel I should be surrendering to Jesus, but it doesn't feel like Jesus is here (this group and Kundalini in general). > > Sorry I don't mean to be difficult, I'm just trying to reconcile the Shakti with the Bible and Jesus. Still struggling with that, I want to make this work, it does feel right, everything except the praying and surrendering to Shakti. > > I mean no disrespect in the questions above, simply trying to understand, I hope someone can help me achieve that understanding. I mean, I had the unprovoked spinal sweep and was led here almost a year ago, I was not seeking any of this, so I do feel I am supposed to be here. I am developing more compassion and more politeness/helpfulness and generally more happy, so all is not lost ;- ) > Love, > Confused Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hi Bill, Just a couple of things came to mind. I view humans as being the bodies of christ, so we need the bodies to do the work. K or The Holy Spirit works through us, so we become agents for that energy, vehicles to hold this level of consciousness. Second, things often break down as we need to learn to surrender. If you can genuinly surrender early, then your resistance to the process will be less. Its just that we often hold on so tightly and are afraid to let go, then thats when Spirit has to pull a little harder to make us release our grip. Still if you practice the safeties there is a much improved chance it will all be fine... and Spirit will always guide you..its part of the deal.. love Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Hi bill.... Great that you have come up with these questions.... the very signature of a progress is to question. It is not that you are asking this question....rather anyone who will get the K activated shall ask this question..be if followers of religion.... For me being a believer of shakthi itself asked these questions... I would try to share my views on the questions you have asked : why do we have Shaktipats? Shakti is an intelligent force.... it is knowing when and how to come...if that is the case then why shaktipats?? Well lets see this... the electric power is so intelligent anything can be done out of it.... why do we need to have it to work at 120V and not at 1000Mega volts?? Simple out TV or computer is not suitable to accommodate that much of electricity.....Similarly... shakti may be intelligent but are u ready to receive that energy into this physical body.... shakti is that energy that is pervading in the entire creation... the complete energy in the universe...can ur body take it?? Chrism gives shaktipat in a very safe way... rather i can say in installments He sees how much your physical, emotional other levels of body is prepared to take the shakti and give you only that much of energy...as u progress more into the depths of the river >< - If It's so intelligent then It will find it's own way and come on when it feels like it wouldn't it? How can a Human make any difference? Even as a channel, why would we be needed as a conduit when IT'S GOD right? Where possibly could we be needed? God could just bypass us and go directly to the individual right? Ohhh.... hasn't it found its way to come to you??? did u even dream when u were born that u shall end up in this group?? how come u came to the group and started to participate in the shakti paths?? Do you think you are doing it all by urslf?? isn't the shakti leading u ?? - If It's so intelligent then why does It ruin the lives of some/many people? Seems counterproductive. It does not ruin anyone... there are 2 things here... 1> what if u get the shakti even before u are prepared for it?? circuits will burn out.... 2>anyone who misuse the power..... Dont they need to be taught a lesson?? not punished though - If It's so intelligent then what is the purpose of the Shaktipat, to try to encourage It to surge forward right? Well, how much effect will that have really? Won't It go wherever and whenever It feels like at It's pace? I think the very need of shaktipat is to make the awakening a very smooth sail..... u can also choose to go into the ocean on a stormy day.... then u know hows the journey!! Finally regarding the form of shakti.... shakti is only a name to address.... u may find shakti in the way u realize the energy.... shakti has come to you ....u can see it through any window you want.... what u see is same...how u see is what that differs.... Regards Prasad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Bill You probably received some answers about Shaktipat already. When I read your post I thought I know what he means so I wanted to respond. Not to be redundant but... You are spirit within the physical body and personality known as Bill right now. Your essence is eternal. Maybe you've already read this? Through cosmic evolution the soul chooses to join a couple...become their baby, grow up with them etc.. Living is getting unconditioned and recognizing where you came from and why you are here. Everything you came to learn about God so far, moved you to this platform. Being Kactive human is rare. That we found out and can talk to each other is exponentially rare. I very much understand your post. Recognizing Shakti was a new adjustment. Through daily surrender if and when I come across her name on this site or a link I consciously say to myself that's her name. She's my eternal mother. I am a graduate in psychology. Shakti working in my life restored relationships, a beautiful home, & got me out of isolation. She is with me in new endeavors. blessings Anna . From: astronutskiDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:28:30 -0700 Shakti Energy questions (yet more confusion) Hi,I was wondering a few things recently. Everyone keeps saying how Shatki is an intelligent energy, and I do not disagree at all, but then why do we have Shaktipats? - If It's so intelligent then It will find it's own way and come on when it feels like it wouldn't it? How can a Human make any difference? Even as a channel, why would we be needed as a conduit when IT'S GOD right? Where possibly could we be needed? God could just bypass us and go directly to the individual right?- If It's so intellient then why does It ruin the lives of some/many people? Seems counterproductive.- If It's so intellient then what is the purpose of the Shaktipat, to try to encourage It to surge forward right? Well, how much effect will that have really? Won't It go wherever and whenever It feels like at It's pace?I'm still kind of confused about things. I'm having difficulty accepting some things, when I've been brought up with Jesus being the only way, the only focus, everything is through Him. I don't recall seeing any of these far out things in the Bible. Granted, I haven't read the whole Bible, but I'm just having some trouble with surrendering to Shakti, when I feel I should be surrendering to Jesus, but it doesn't feel like Jesus is here (this group and Kundalini in general).Sorry I don't mean to be difficult, I'm just trying to reconcile the Shakti with the Bible and Jesus. Still struggling with that, I want to make this work, it does feel right, everything except the praying and surrendering to Shakti.I mean no disrespect in the questions above, simply trying to understand, I hope someone can help me achieve that understanding. I mean, I had the unprovoked spinal sweep and was led here almost a year ago, I was not seeking any of this, so I do feel I am supposed to be here. I am developing more compassion and more politeness/helpfulness and generally more happy, so all is not lost ;-)Love,Confused Bill Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. Learn Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 I have written two responses to this post and both have been swallowed up or for some reason not made available. My apologies for the double posts if they should arrive. -c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Why do we need shaktipat from a person? Some energies work through people. The energy of the sun does not need a person to work through it is a " public " energy, there for all use and absorb. Kundalini is not a public energy it is not just there for everyone to use. It is carefully given to those who request it. Since training, advice, and care must be used in K activation it is good that K comes to us through a person/teacher/ guru. If it is intelligent why does it cause pain and ruin someone's life? Sometimes it helps to think of her, Kundalini, as a person/goddess. She practices " tough love " . She can be ruthless in leading us on our spiritual path. She is the " tough love mother guru " . She is intelligent but she works the way she works not the way we might think that she should work. If a teen does not want to work or go to school and wants his parents to support him the tough love approach to parenting might be to throw the kid out and tell him to get a job or starve. Kundalini might, if she sees that you are holding on to anger or hate or any outdated, no longer needed emotion that is interfering with our spiritual development, amplify it and make it so painful that we have to drop it or suffer…really suffer…if we hold on to it. rich , Bill <astronutski wrote: > > Hi, > I was wondering a few things recently. Everyone keeps saying how Shatki is an intelligent energy, and I do not disagree at all, but then why do we have Shaktipats? > > - If It's so intelligent then It will find it's own way and come on when it feels like it wouldn't it? How can a Human make any difference? Even as a channel, why would we be needed as a conduit when IT'S GOD right? Where possibly could we be needed? God could just bypass us and go directly to the individual right? > > - If It's so intellient then why does It ruin the lives of some/many people? Seems counterproductive. > > - If It's so intellient then what is the purpose of the Shaktipat, to try to encourage It to surge forward right? Well, how much effect will that have really? Won't It go wherever and whenever It feels like at It's pace? > > I'm still kind of confused about things. I'm having difficulty accepting some things, when I've been brought up with Jesus being the only way, the only focus, everything is through Him. I don't recall seeing any of these far out things in the Bible. Granted, I haven't read the whole Bible, but I'm just having some trouble with surrendering to Shakti, when I feel I should be surrendering to Jesus, but it doesn't feel like Jesus is here (this group and Kundalini in general). > > Sorry I don't mean to be difficult, I'm just trying to reconcile the Shakti with the Bible and Jesus. Still struggling with that, I want to make this work, it does feel right, everything except the praying and surrendering to Shakti. > > I mean no disrespect in the questions above, simply trying to understand, I hope someone can help me achieve that understanding. I mean, I had the unprovoked spinal sweep and was led here almost a year ago, I was not seeking any of this, so I do feel I am supposed to be here. I am developing more compassion and more politeness/helpfulness and generally more happy, so all is not lost ;- ) > Love, > Confused Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Nicely stated Rich I agree. Also it comes to those without a Shaktipat. I wasnt Shaktipat and had no teacher and it was difficult for me to let go of the ego for a time. A long time! lol. But after some years it did occur and the whole world lit up!- c , " Richard Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote: Kundalini is not a public energy it is not just > there for everyone to use. It is carefully given to those who request > it. Since training, advice, and care must be used in K activation it > is good that K comes to us through a person/teacher/ guru. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2008 Report Share Posted October 25, 2008 Yes. Kundalini has been know to shaktipat people on her own, directly. I imagine that this is in agreement with the person's higher self and is in alignment with the persons karma/life plan. rich , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Nicely stated Rich I agree. Also it comes to those without a > Shaktipat. I wasnt Shaktipat and had no teacher and it was difficult > for me to let go of the ego for a time. A long time! lol. But after > some years it did occur and the whole world lit up!- c > > > , " Richard > Eisenberg " <Pyaar333@> wrote: > Kundalini is not a public energy it is not just > > there for everyone to use. It is carefully given to those who > request > > it. Since training, advice, and care must be used in K activation > it > > is good that K comes to us through a person/teacher/ guru. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 " Shakti " is the Hindu name given as personification/concept of the divine feminine. It doesn't matter if you call her Shakti, or Mary, the mother of Jesus. Catholic Christians have long been in the habit of venerating Mary, or the feminine aspect. You can offer your prayers to Jesus and Mother Mary to address the male and the female. If you would like to talk more about kundalini in a Christian context, (especially about reconciling it with the bible) I would be happy to do so. I also have some books I can recommend you that are very helpful. Sarah , Bill <astronutski wrote: > I'm still kind of confused about things. I'm having difficulty accepting some things, when I've been brought up with Jesus being the only way, the only focus, everything is through Him. I don't recall seeing any of these far out things in the Bible. Granted, I haven't read the whole Bible, but I'm just having some trouble with surrendering to Shakti, when I feel I should be surrendering to Jesus, but it doesn't feel like Jesus is here (this group and Kundalini in general). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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