Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 wow, it's amazing how many times I have come across this, felt the deep peace with this truth, and then forget it again. I like this quote " But as far as the conscious person, the ego evolves within the personal whole not devoid of that whole. " I guess one of my greatest spiritual practices will be to stop making my ego into an enemy and treat 'him' with love and kindness. thanks Chrism, I'll be reading this over and over. Namaste Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I've got to say, there's a little fear of sinking back into forgetfulness, not just with this but with other things that are returning to my awareness. I think this maybe attachment but how do I know for sure that I won't forget again? For me, it's been real easy to slip back. Namaste Craig , " kundaflame " <kundaflame wrote: > > wow, it's amazing how many times I have come across this, felt the > deep peace with this truth, and then forget it again. I like this > quote " But as far as the conscious person, the ego evolves within the > personal whole not devoid of that whole. " I guess one of my greatest > spiritual practices will be to stop making my ego into an enemy and > treat 'him' with love and kindness. thanks Chrism, I'll be reading > this over and over. > Namaste > Craig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 We go back and forth for a while. Little by little we begin to stay for longer periods of time. Keep coming back as often as you can. Love, dhyana , " kundaflame " <kundaflame wrote: > > I've got to say, there's a little fear of sinking back into > forgetfulness, not just with this but with other things that are > returning to my awareness. I think this maybe attachment but how do I > know for sure that I won't forget again? For me, it's been real easy > to slip back. > Namaste > Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thanks, I'll Be as best I can. Namaste Craig , " novalees " <dhyana wrote: > > We go back and forth for a while. Little by > little we begin to stay for longer periods of > time. Keep coming back as often as you can. > > Love, dhyana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Ego death is very deep and misunderstood issue. Too many people advocate death of the ego. As if we should try as hard as we can to kill it, like it is not a large part of us. As I have written before… we can not be whole by killing a part of us. Even the idea of trying to kill " it " is a form of self rejection. We must accept our self, every part of our self. The ego may be transcended some day as a part of our spiritual development but it will happen when it does as part of an organic process. Ego death…really, ego transcendence, may happen but we should not try to Kill it. We should cultivate the right environment for it to happen. We should be mindful of the ego and how works so we can see through it and beyond it Rich , " kundaflame " <kundaflame wrote: > > wow, it's amazing how many times I have come across this, felt the > deep peace with this truth, and then forget it again. I like this > quote " But as far as the conscious person, the ego evolves within the > personal whole not devoid of that whole. " I guess one of my greatest > spiritual practices will be to stop making my ego into an enemy and > treat 'him' with love and kindness. thanks Chrism, I'll be reading > this over and over. > Namaste > Craig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 yes, Rich, yes, yes, I'm at a loss for words, yes. Wow, it's weird withe syncronistic events, I just read " If you begin to understand what you are without trying to change it, then what you are undergoes a transformation. " J. Krishnamurti. Wow, I can give up the battle now. Namaste Craig , " Richard Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote: > > Ego death is very deep and misunderstood issue. Too many people > advocate death of the ego. As if we should try as hard as we can to > kill it, like it is not a large part of us. As I have written before… > we can not be whole by killing a part of us. Even the idea of trying > to kill " it " is a form of self rejection. We must accept our self, > every part of our self. The ego may be transcended some day as a > part of our spiritual development but it will happen when it does as > part of an organic process. > > Ego death…really, ego transcendence, may happen but we should not try > to Kill it. We should cultivate the right environment for it to > happen. We should be mindful of the ego and how works so we can see > through it and beyond it > > Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 At 07:58 PM 10/30/2008, you wrote: Ego death is very deep and misunderstood issue. The best work I have read on the ego is Ekhardt Tolle's " A New Earth " . Too many people advocate death of the ego. As if we should try as hard as we can to kill it, like it is not a large part of us. As I have written before… we can not be whole by killing a part of us. Even the idea of trying to kill " it " is a form of self rejection. Essentially it's metaphysical suicide. Or it would be, if it were possible. But it's not possible in a self-aware sentient being. The languaging is just brutal too. We must accept our self, every part of our self. The ego may be transcended some day as a part of our spiritual development but it will happen when it does as part of an organic process. Transcendence is a different goal imo. That much is possible. I transcend my ego simply by becoming aware that it's functioning. Transcendence doesn't imply absoluteness or permanence as " killing " does. It's an ongoing process, not a destination. Brandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yes the ego is not to be killed or damaged. It is to be managed. - my take - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 So nice to read such enlightened responses! A fight with the ego is a fight with yourself. Trying to kill the ego is trying to kill a part of yourself. To be whole we must understand, accept and love all of our parts. Eventually the ego will be lessened, made more flexible, transparent, we will know when and how to put it aside for a while and take it back and use it when needed. But making a effort to kill it is not the way/tao. rich , " kundaflame " <kundaflame wrote: > > wow, it's amazing how many times I have come across this, felt the > deep peace with this truth, and then forget it again. I like this > quote " But as far as the conscious person, the ego evolves within the > personal whole not devoid of that whole. " I guess one of my greatest > spiritual practices will be to stop making my ego into an enemy and > treat 'him' with love and kindness. thanks Chrism, I'll be reading > this over and over. > Namaste > Craig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 IMHO how can the ego be eradicated when it doesn't exist? Or rather only exists as an intrinsically woven part our the reality we create... I see the ego as a gross manifestation; a self created entity vibrating at a complementary frequency to our physicality - but created by our physicality. Indeed I have for a few years entertained the following notion: On one side we have our spirit (our true Self) and on the other is the illusion of physical self. This " false sense of self " is formed by a triangle of sorts: Logic and Emotion vs Ego. One side of our brain controls the Logic and the opposite side controls Emotion. We are almost " engineered " for internal conflict and the attempted balance (with the resultant growth). This is why we are here. Throw the Ego's opinionated attitude into the internal debate between the Logic and Emotion and suddenly one is totally identifying with their created reality and losing their conscious connection with their Being. Our " Being " is who we really are, or to paraphrase Tolle is the awareness behind all that internal dialogue. Of course this insinuates that these 3 gross manifestations are of physical origin and frequency. This implies their absence once we are no longer connected to the physical (which is generally after our passing - unless one of these manifestations is strong enough to bind us to this world for a while). Carefully considering what (little) I know of the afterlife I see no reason to believe otherwise. So yes I agree the ego will be transcended as part of an organic process and that process would be the passing of the physical. lol In the meantime the grosser aspects of the ego gradually disappear as the issues no longer are part of our self/physicality and we become as mirrors. I love my ego for the opportunities for growth it has provided. Perish the thought of killing the poor thing! Love to all, glen. , Brandi Jasmine <jazztalk wrote: > > At 07:58 PM 10/30/2008, you wrote: > >Ego death is very deep and misunderstood issue. > > The best work I have read on the ego is Ekhardt Tolle's " A New Earth " . > > >Too many people > >advocate death of the ego. As if we should try as hard as we can to > >kill it, like it is not a large part of us. As I have written before… > >we can not be whole by killing a part of us. Even the idea of trying > >to kill " it " is a form of self rejection. > > Essentially it's metaphysical suicide. Or it would be, if it were possible. But it's not possible in a self-aware sentient being. The languaging is just brutal too. > > >We must accept our self, > >every part of our self. The ego may be transcended some day as a > >part of our spiritual development but it will happen when it does as > >part of an organic process. > > Transcendence is a different goal imo. That much is possible. I transcend my ego simply by becoming aware that it's functioning. Transcendence doesn't imply absoluteness or permanence as " killing " does. It's an ongoing process, not a destination. > > Brandi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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