Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Depends upon you dear friend and the activity. Are you killing others as a job? Are causing wide spread pain and sufferring from doing that which you may wish to give up? Or is it something that is of a less morally repugnant activity. Whats going on Rich? If it is too difficult to discuss on the open forum please contact me offlist. - blessings Rich! - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 No I am not killing, hurting or causing pain to others. In fact most others will be quite happy. Hhhmmmm. How can I put this, I am a teacher. I teach health (I really get very holistic and spiritual…I love it). To put it mildly there is pressure to pass kids who should fail. If I pass them when they fail their tests, do little or no class work, no homework, cut class and really deserve to fail I am doing wrong. I do a lot of teaching about how to succeed in life….dedication, hard work, reaching for a goal, etc. What they end up learning is that they can be irresponsible, lazy and succeed by doing almost nothing. Also, this may be difficult to believe, but the kids a graduating knowing so very little I believe that it is leading the downfall of the our country. When China and India are graduating more and more kids that are going on to higher education and professional jobs we (America) are graduating kids who can hardly read and write…and I mean it…many of them can hardly read and write. If I fail them…lets just say that it may go poorly for me. The blame is always on the teacher when a student fails a class. When I raise my standards, as we are told we to do, more students fail and I have actually been accused of being a bad teacher. It hurts to be a part of such a corrupt system. The good part is that my students, no matter how they do on tests, really do learn about health. I am proud of what I do. I am a teacher. I may be teaching Yoga, Tai Chi or Health. On one level it is all the same. People are helped by what I do. I live a life of service and it is good. rich , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Depends upon you dear friend and the activity. Are you killing others > as a job? Are causing wide spread pain and sufferring from doing that > which you may wish to give up? Or is it something that is of a less > morally repugnant activity. Whats going on Rich? If it is too > difficult to discuss on the open forum please contact me offlist. - > blessings Rich! - chrism > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Hi Rich, I am a new teacher and not as experienced. I think (can't say for sure) that I experienced something similar when I flunked a lot of kids in algebra during my student teaching experience. The blame really does go to the teacher most of the time Sadly, you are probably not going to change the majority of your students since you are but one of many teachers; so I recommend giving yourself a break and just try to change the system from the inside out. Read your last paragraph again and be satisfied Also, realize that you have to work with students at whatever level they are at. Improvement is what to look for and encourage, whether the system is ultimately corrupt or not. My 2 cents, -Gabriel , " Richard Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote: > > I do a lot of teaching about how to succeed in life….dedication, hard > work, reaching for a goal, etc. What they end up learning is that > they can be irresponsible, lazy and succeed by doing almost nothing. > > The good part is that my students, no matter how they do on tests, > really do learn about health. I am proud of what I do. I am a > teacher. I may be teaching Yoga, Tai Chi or Health. On one level it > is all the same. People are helped by what I do. I live a life of > service and it is good. > > > rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 At 05:42 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote: > I do a lot of teaching about how to succeed in life….dedication, hard > work, reaching for a goal, etc. What they end up learning is that > they can be irresponsible, lazy and succeed by doing almost nothing. If you can write that into a book title you'd have a best seller on your hands (laugh) ... Brandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Yes But I am not going to change the system. Many, from the inside, have tried and lost their jobs. Many others have tried, from the outside, and gotten so discouraged that after 10 or 15 years they have either quite or started their own schools. Anyway, You are right, I need to, and do, feel good about what I can do…teach health. It still bothers me to pass kids who do no work, cut class and deserve to fail. rich , " strider200142 " <gabriel wrote: > > Hi Rich, > > I am a new teacher and not as experienced. I think (can't say for > sure) that I experienced something similar when I flunked a lot of > kids in algebra during my student teaching experience. The blame > really does go to the teacher most of the time > > Sadly, you are probably not going to change the majority of your > students since you are but one of many teachers; so I recommend giving > yourself a break and just try to change the system from the inside out. > > Read your last paragraph again and be satisfied Also, realize that > you have to work with students at whatever level they are at. > Improvement is what to look for and encourage, whether the system is > ultimately corrupt or not. > > My 2 cents, > > -Gabriel > > > , " Richard > Eisenberg " <Pyaar333@> wrote: > > > > I do a lot of teaching about how to succeed in life….dedication, hard > > work, reaching for a goal, etc. What they end up learning is that > > they can be irresponsible, lazy and succeed by doing almost nothing. > > > > The good part is that my students, no matter how they do on tests, > > really do learn about health. I am proud of what I do. I am a > > teacher. I may be teaching Yoga, Tai Chi or Health. On one level it > > is all the same. People are helped by what I do. I live a life of > > service and it is good. > > > > > > rich > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I like the Waldorf / Rudolph Steiner schools , my kids are in. They teach the kids on what individually interests them , and all subjects no matter where you begin , follow into each other so everything is eventually taught from their initial interest and the lessons have a natural flow.Some kids learn kinetically, or visually and they presently are left out of the system in normal schools that teach from an audio perspective. Perhaps making them seem lazy or antisocial . But I think everyone can be reached ,just a matter of finding the bridges, and inspiring the fire. Paula~ , " Richard Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote: > > > Yes > > But I am not going to change the system. Many, from the inside, have > tried and lost their jobs. Many others have tried, from the outside, > and gotten so discouraged that after 10 or 15 years they have either > quite or started their own schools. > > Anyway, > You are right, I need to, and do, feel good about what I can do… teach > health. It still bothers me to pass kids who do no work, cut class > and deserve to fail. > > rich > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " strider200142 " > <gabriel@> wrote: > > > > Hi Rich, > > > > I am a new teacher and not as experienced. I think (can't say for > > sure) that I experienced something similar when I flunked a lot of > > kids in algebra during my student teaching experience. The blame > > really does go to the teacher most of the time > > > > Sadly, you are probably not going to change the majority of your > > students since you are but one of many teachers; so I recommend > giving > > yourself a break and just try to change the system from the inside > out. > > > > Read your last paragraph again and be satisfied Also, realize > that > > you have to work with students at whatever level they are at. > > Improvement is what to look for and encourage, whether the system is > > ultimately corrupt or not. > > > > My 2 cents, > > > > -Gabriel > > > > > > , " Richard > > Eisenberg " <Pyaar333@> wrote: > > > > > > I do a lot of teaching about how to succeed in life….dedication, > hard > > > work, reaching for a goal, etc. What they end up learning is > that > > > they can be irresponsible, lazy and succeed by doing almost > nothing. > > > > > > The good part is that my students, no matter how they do on > tests, > > > really do learn about health. I am proud of what I do. I am a > > > teacher. I may be teaching Yoga, Tai Chi or Health. On one > level it > > > is all the same. People are helped by what I do. I live a life > of > > > service and it is good. > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 The last paragraph is the most telling I agree with Gabriel. Also one needs to consider the self and the family and how they may be affected by your priorities. Yes it is a malfunctioning system. But you are making a difference and there is no such thing as perfection inside of an imperfect system. So I suggest you do your best and work from an aspect of the safeties that sustains integrity as much as you can without depriving or hurting those who count on your integrity and approach to teaching because you want to punish those cheating the system. Work is hard to find these days. I know! So do not hurt yourself unless you feel absolutley called to do so for the reasons you state. Look at what is working and see where the balance is tipping. Continue to do the safeties and continue to condition for the Kundalini. - blessings Rich. - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Richard, For me, the earmark of an excellent teacher is one who inspires his students to want to learn. Failing a student can be a stigma that lasts for many years. Here in Texas, teachers are under pressure to "teach the test". Real learning is foregone to teach how to pass the test, so more funding is available for the school system itself. You seem to sincerely care for the students, and what you are teaching is so valuable now and down the road. There are other kinder, gentler institutions of learning. Maybe you could seek a different environment without having to go to battle. I understand the principle you are defending. It really isn't anything new under the sun. I am just surprised to hear that anyone still actually fails a child with remedial programs, tutors, and summer schools available for those who need help. Blessing to you and the right outcome to your dilemma. Namaste, Julie--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Richard Eisenberg <Pyaar333 wrote: Richard Eisenberg <Pyaar333 Re: Thinking about the Safeties, letting go - Rich Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:38 PM No I am not killing, hurting or causing pain to others. In fact most others will be quite happy. Hhhmmmm.How can I put this,I am a teacher. I teach> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2008 Report Share Posted November 13, 2008 Thank you for your encouragement and advice. I do feel/know that I do something of real value for the kids. I really do teach them about health…all aspects of health, physical, mental, emotional and spiritual, (yes I do teach some spiritual, not religious, stuff). And many of them actually learn. I still struggle with having to pass kids who cut class 20 or 30 times and do hardly any work in class and fail tests. But that is out of my hands. You are right I need to consider other things like my wife and how it would be for her if I lost my job. To some degree it is ego that I feel that I must do the right thing and fail those kids who deserve it. There is only so much I can do without putting my job in jeopardy. I do and need to continue to focus on the positive side Rich , " chrism " <> wrote: > > The last paragraph is the most telling I agree with Gabriel. > > Also one needs to consider the self and the family and how they may > be affected by your priorities. Yes it is a malfunctioning system. > But you are making a difference and there is no such thing as > perfection inside of an imperfect system. So I suggest you do your > best and work from an aspect of the safeties that sustains > integrity as much as you can without depriving or hurting those who > count on your integrity and approach to teaching because you want to > punish those cheating the system. > > Work is hard to find these days. I know! So do not hurt yourself > unless you feel absolutley called to do so for the reasons you > state. Look at what is working and see where the balance is tipping. > > Continue to do the safeties and continue to condition for the > Kundalini. - blessings Rich. - chrism > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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