The conflict of surrender and self existence...

[Guest guest]

Hi all…

I just wanted to speak out a few words and seek advice from you all and so I am penning these thought out to the group.

I am now in a situation where I am seeing the ultimate conflict between thrust, surrender and self existence.

At one side I have the trust and surrender which may demand total destruction of my self. I may have to give up my believes, my self respect, my needs and emotional demands.

 

I will have to just be a silent follower of the instruction given no matter how difficult and against my way of living and self existence : no matter how hurt I am and how much it’s against my comfort zone.

The other end is me being filtering in the surrender to a certain extent and put limitations to it… give presence to my EGO, my self believes, my emotions and my needs and expectations being met.

Is it possible to give up completely or is it fine being choosy in surrendering giving space to my needs also…..

Regards

Prasad

[Guest guest]

hey Prasad,

from what I've gathered so far, I don't necessarily believe you have

to give up anything. The thing about ego is that it seeks to

strengthen the self image through things, it enhances its identity

through material possessions, through body identification, through

belief of thoughts (even the thought of having to give up these

things). The things (beliefs, self respect, needs, emotional demands)

in themselves aren't bad, to seek an identity through them, to enhance

or degrade your 'self' (one thing I've found out, if the ego can't

have a positive self image, it will go for a negative self image just

like a child who can't get positive attention, will try for negative

attention), is the illusion.

 

For beliefs, I use them as pointers, any word, and symbol is but a

pointer to the truth, it's not the truth. In Buddhism there is a

saying: " Truth has nothing to do with words. Truth can be likened to

the bright moon in the sky. Words, in this case, can be likened to a

finger. The finger can point to the moon's location. However, the

finger is not the moon. To look at the moon, it is necessary to gaze

beyond the finger, right? " I don't think it's necessary to give up the

pointers, but just to recognize they are but a raft to get you to the

shore of awakening.

 

With any decision I've made I now know that if I feel any negative

state, whether from anxiety to guilt to depression, it was of the ego.

If I feel a deep peace from the decision (now this is in real time,

the ego can easily go in later and feel guilty for something that's

not even there) then it's coming from somewhere beyond the ego. The

truth is paradoxical, with surrender you get everything you want but

with the knowing that " this too shall pass " if it is in the world of

form because of impermanence. With the knowing of the impermanence

(impermanence of object forms, emotional forms, thought forms) you can

enjoy the 'good' while it lasts without fear of it leaving and you

don't mind the 'bad' so much and try to push it away. (This is my

constant practice, I've had a strong ego lol).

 

I don't think it's a good idea to: be a silent follower of the

instruction given no matter how difficult and against my way of living

and self existence : no matter how hurt I am and how much it's against

my comfort zone. The Buddha advised to not blindly follow the path he

has given, he wanted people to be like scientists and place each

practice under the microscope and see how it works for them.

 

Remember, try to make peace with all of these, don't fight them. When

you're in an inner state of conflict, the outer world will reflect

that. If you can't make peace with these and still feel the conflict,

surrender to that state of resistance. That's the miracle of surrender

whatever you fully surrender to (the conflict or the inability to

surrender to the conflict) will take you to peace. Inner peace is the

goal of surrender, when that is found your Being is found and with it

joy, peace, love, creativity all flow from your innermost Being.

Surrender is mainly an inner state. Through surrender, you can take

positive action and is way more effective for positive change than

when acting from a state of resistance (negativity).

 

As Rev. Michael Bernard Beckwith says, " Wherever you are in the

spiritual continuum of consciousness, just say 'Yes' to it, enter it

fully, so that you may be ushered into the next step in your unfoldment. "

 

Wow, sorry for such a long post, hope this helps you Prasad

Namaste

craig

 

 

 

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<nagendra.prasad wrote:

>

> Hi all...

>

> I just wanted to speak out a few words and seek advice from you all and

> so I am penning these thought out to the group.

> I am now in a situation where I am seeing the ultimate conflict between

> thrust, surrender and self existence.

> At one side I have the trust and surrender which may demand total

> destruction of my self. I may have to give up my believes, my self

> respect, my needs and emotional demands.

>

> I will have to just be a silent follower of the instruction given no

> matter how difficult and against my way of living and self existence :

> no matter how hurt I am and how much it's against my comfort zone.

>

> The other end is me being filtering in the surrender to a certain extent

> and put limitations to it... give presence to my EGO, my self believes,

> my emotions and my needs and expectations being met.

>

> Is it possible to give up completely or is it fine being choosy in

> surrendering giving space to my needs also.....

>

> Regards

> Prasad

>