Psychic Protection

[Guest guest]

Hi chrism,

hi to all,

 

I have read through the safeties a few times.

 

There isn't any thing specific about psychic protection, and reading

what wrote about Drea's energy questions, I possibly broke

some sort of rule here by sending the psychic link.

 

I'd like to know what you think about psychic protection in general.

Do you see it as paranoia? Or is there a real need for it?

 

all comments welcome, I just want to know what we are facing here.

 

My own experience tells me that all we do in this realm are 'tools'

to help us. Our human mind uses symbols and prayers and rituals to

gain some sort of connection to the mystery. If we know this, and use

the tools (whether they be asana practice, prayer, protection mantras

or incantations) knowing that they are tools to help us in our path -

I use them, and I recommend them. The key is the attachment, or lack

of it.

 

Perhaps Chrism, you feel that if we do psychic protection, we admit

there is something to be afraid of? But in my experience, fear is

there for a reason - and that is 'caution' - so, go slow, be

sensible - and when you're sure the fear is not necessary - let go.

 

I'm guessing.

 

With love

[Guest guest]

No broken rule. It's merely a factor of fear being placed into a

situation that can actively grow more fear by the suggestion that a

person is under attack or being pursued or any of a number of fear

producing scenarios.

 

And I also know you are well meaning and acting in kindness and

consideration and in no way do I place any recognition other than

those loving and genuine qualities that you are expressing. Really

Tiffany I mean no disrespect towards you at all.

 

There was a time when I would have tried and done close to anything

to rid myself of being attacked and pursued by entities. In the

walls, in my bed, diving into my body. Without me having any other

recourse than to merely take it and then feeling them swimming

through out my body. Getting shocked and having so many numerous

accounts of blacker than black entities trying to come into me or

trying feed off of me. And then the dream life where every night was

a brutality of hellish proportions. I know about fear. I know its

causes and its remedies inside of the Kundalini.

 

Sometimes in order to find a way into wholeness we must experience

some of the more profoundly frightening and hurtful aspects of our

own shadow selves. You stated it quite correctly in my opinion

Tiffany when you said

 

" Evil does exist – with in each and every one of us. Its how we deal

with it that counts. "

 

I agree with that statement.

 

Kundalini is a tremendous uncovering of inner issues of many

different qualities of attraction for the lower astral areas that

are attracted to these frequencies of fear. It must be experienced

and surrendered to in order for it to be learned from. This is what

I have found.

 

Certainly not saying there isn't a place for psychic protections yet

certainly not to offer them at the exchange of the hard work that

goes into the balance of the shadow self within us. There are uses

for psychic protection but against that which is teaching us lessons

of courage and lessons of surrender and lessons of what it is to

suffer and then release from suffering due to the epiphanies that

come from the Kundalini itself to the person. This is not worth the

trade and slows the prgress of the person.

 

Shakti comes as a giant snake that eats people. Shakti comes as a

giant spider that eats the people. Sometimes as black dogs or tigers

or lions or monsters. The Kundalini knows what it is doing when it

presents in these ways. Its not that the person is being possessed

or attacked by a demon or a wraith unless that is what is in the

heart of the individual. Then yes it will come out but only to give

the person an opportunity to balance that shadow inside of there own

awakening process.

 

And then there are the Karmic factors. What Karma is being balanced

when that person, like myself, is being visited by entities that are

there for it would seem no other reason than to torture and hurt?

Painful and scary as it may be that Karma is demanding that balance

and in order to have the full potential of the Kundalini expressed

it will have to be balanced or else it would never have come up as a

factor in the awakening process of the person. There is a reason for

the teaching. Kundalini is intelligent.

 

It is in discerning the actual teaching itself that is the real

challenge. Then surrendering to that teaching so that indeed that

hurdle is past and the next one is coming into view.

 

Many ways and means have been developed over the eons to escape the

fears that are realized with the Kundalini. Many tools of protection

and of offense have been devised by those not wishing to come to

terms with these issues.

 

Yes evil des exist and yes there is absolutely a place for these

protections to be given and taught and used by individuals. Not

necessarily within the Kundalini is all I am suggesting unless one

can discern that it is indeed not of the individual shadow self and

not for the purpose of Karmic balance for the individual.

 

People under psychic attack without the Kundalini even though it may

have a Karmic origin for them as well can I feel be greatly helped

by psychic protections. Or those under unfair influence by poeple

with low moral caliber. Or drug induced psychic phenemonea. I have

shut down or lessened people who have had severe psychic trauma due

to drug indulgences. Some protections are needed I feel Those

protections that do not have a fear based quality to them anyway.

Fighting fear with fear just produces more fear.

 

Setting the energetic environemnt for a healing for example. Or

setting up boundaries for a room where a practice is going to be

done. Yes these are helpful techniques Tiffany. Not for the

inculcation of fear or release or the dismemberment of the shadow

self though. of

 

This is why I take great care in not offering people an easy way out

of most their difficulties. Sometimes it can be useful in the short

term to have and apply some of these protections. Early in the harsh

and severe fear laden experiences of the individual certain

protections can be given that will lessen the severity without

draining off the experiential teachings or balances.

 

For those who come under attack from another I feel some of these

protections are helpful. Always as a tool of personal empowerment

without trusting to some other force or entity to do the job for the

individual and from the perspective of love even tough love.

 

There is much goodness here on this world and it far outweighs the

evil. Yet the evil does exist and it is there in that existence that

we claim the challenges that polish us into the next evolutionary

changes. Transformations that we can hold and cherish keep and then

move into the next stage of refinement.

 

I value your contributions Tiffany and I feel like others here that

you have great experiences to relate and discuss with all of us. I

am just reinforcing the practice and importance of the personal

Kundalini awakening path and its dynamic in the expression of the

Shadow Self within the grand context of learning to surrender and

gaining strength from that surrender.

 

The Tibetan " CHOD " ceremony is all about this kind of surrender. We

gain strength from the experiences and balance and surrender of

fear. From the releasing of our fears we move into the next

expression. - blessings Tiffany and all - chrism

 

 

, " Tiffany "

<Tiffany wrote:

Hi chrism,

> hi to all,I have read through the safeties a few times.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chrism,

 

You have undoubtedly more experience in these things than I do. I might have some small offerings, but I am still impulsive and a bit of a firebrand. Knowing it doesn't seem to make me less energetic. I pray for patience and acceptance.

 

First of all, thank you so much for your response. So calm and considerate and addressing all of the issues. I really appreciate that. I also appreciate you not rapping me on the knuckles, as you could. I've invaded your group as though it was my own – and jostling about in the front aisle demanding attention.

 

I know that I am driven to 'help' and sometimes, the best way to help, is by not helping. I understand that, but I feel like a young and inexperienced mother wanting to stop all the suffering at once by patting, over feeding and lots of talk. I've heard it called 'smother love'.

 

My story – not for all – but for some - once I built my own fortress, for my soul to live in, I felt 'safer'. I was still functioning, but I felt the protection of god/light/goddess while I strengthened my spirit inside. And like I said, after building the fortress manually every day, and gathering 'defence', one day it just turned into a natural protective sheath. I should add that I am an empath – so its very difficult for me to be anything 'negative' – especially when I was younger. The fortress has helped me just going to the supermarket.

 

 

Kundalini is a tremendous uncovering of inner issues of many

different qualities of attraction for the lower astral areas that

are attracted to these frequencies of fear. It must be experienced

and surrendered to in order for it to be learned from. This is what

I have found.

 

Yes. I agree with what you are saying, however! Forgive me – your article on Kundalini and Suicide suggests that there are 30% of Kundalini practitioners who 'chose' death rather than to face the fears in such a moment.

 

I agree with you 100% that the fears need to be faced, but my dear Chrism, once I had on the 'armour' of the lord, so to speak, there was no fear – it was more surrendering to the certainty of god's love – once I accepted that, then the fears, I saw, I could control by positioning myself in a state of pure surrender to love and light. And it didn't, at least for me, have to be so full of pain.

 

(Tiffany comes from the word epiphanies) J

 

This is not worth the trade and slows the progress of the person.

 

But to save some of these very special children of god – light workers, helpers, guardian angels in the making, is it not possible to offer some tools along the way, if needed. Even if it does slow the progress down?

I've been coming to 'here' since 1993. I couldn't handle more than I had, even if I wanted it.

 

 

Shakti comes as a giant snake that eats people.

Yes, but it's a symbolic eating! And we know that – it's the Mysteries way of telling us the great goddess will protect us if we surrender to its needs – and its needs are total. So yes, surrender.

 

There is a reason for the teaching. Kundalini is intelligent.

I understand you.

 

Yes evil des exist and yes there is absolutely a place for these

protections to be given and taught and used by individuals. Not

necessarily within the Kundalini is all I am suggesting unless one

can discern that it is indeed not of the individual shadow self and

not for the purpose of Karmic balance for the individual.

 

I understand.

 

I value your contributions Tiffany and I feel like others here that

you have great experiences to relate and discuss with all of us. I

am just reinforcing the practice and importance of the personal

Kundalini awakening path and its dynamic in the expression of the

Shadow Self within the grand context of learning to surrender and

gaining strength from that surrender.

 

Yes, you're right. It is the kundalini experience – and the people who are drawn to this path are here for a reason, so I guess they identify very well to what is going on.

 

I guess its just me having trouble accepting the suffering. I feel the confusion and fear coming off some of the letters and just want to alleviate it. But its not always the 'right' path.

 

Give me patience and wisdom to see when to jump in with my supermummy cape and save the dummy from being dropped!

 

Lots of love to you all

And thanks again, Chrism!

2008/12/2 chrism <>

 

 

 

 

 

No broken rule. It's merely a factor of fear being placed into a situation that can actively grow more fear by the suggestion that a person is under attack or being pursued or any of a number of fear

a brutality of hellish proportions. I know about fear. I know its causes and its remedies inside of the Kundalini.Sometimes in order to find a way into wholeness we must experience some of the more profoundly frightening and hurtful aspects of our

own shadow selves. You stated it quite correctly in my opinion Tiffany when you said " Evil does exist – with in each and every one of us. Its how we deal with it that counts. " I agree with that statement.

Kundalini is a tremendous uncovering of inner issues of many different qualities of attraction for the lower astral areas that are attracted to these frequencies of fear. It must be experienced and surrendered to in order for it to be learned from. This is what

I have found.Certainly not saying there isn't a place for psychic protections yet certainly not to offer them at the exchange of the hard work that goes into the balance of the shadow self within us. There are uses

for psychic protection but against that which is teaching us lessons of when that terms with these issues. The Tibetan " CHOD " ceremony is all about this kind of surrender. We gain strength from the experiences and balance and surrender of

fear. From the releasing of our fears we move into the next expression. - blessings Tiffany and all - chrism , " Tiffany "

<Tiffany wrote:Hi chrism, > hi to all,I have read through the safeties a few times. > > -- Tiffany JonesPatheya

[Guest guest]

I think that if you feel like doing a protection ceremony/prayer/mantra and it makes you feel good in the moment then go for it, it cannot hurt.I have, at times, felt like using a circle of protection, I had entity issues and was going through a hard time with shadow training, the circle helped me feel safe.Eventually I no longer needed the circle and so stopped invoking it.Just go with what makes your journey easier for you to deal with in the moment, if it helps use it.That's my thoughtslove elektra x x x

[Guest guest]

May I add that when I invoked the protective circle I stated that only that which was for my highest good may be allowed to enter, Shakti and kundalini lessons were invited within the circle.This was to make sure I didnt miss out on any good stuff which I may have needed to experience. I think the circle just made me feel safe when I was all alone in the dark.love e x x x

[Guest guest]

A belated welcome, Tiffany. So wonderful to have

you here with us.

 

There are many empaths in the group. Its a good place

to flex those spiritual muscles in all kinds of situations

and learn what we need to learn. A classroom for sure.

I've been here over two years and have never felt anything

threatening from this group. When situations come up in

our growing we can look at the options and what feels

needed and right for us. Using our imagination we find

our power and tools to form what wants to grow in us. It

can be challenging and a lot of fun. Its all in how we

choose to look at it. Hope that helps a little.

 

Love, dhyana

 

 

, " Tiffany "

<Tiffany wrote:

>

> Hi chrism,

> hi to all,

>

> I have read through the safeties a few times.

>

> There isn't any thing specific about psychic protection, and reading

> what wrote about Drea's energy questions, I possibly broke

> some sort of rule here by sending the psychic link.

>

> I'd like to know what you think about psychic protection in general.

> Do you see it as paranoia? Or is there a real need for it?

>

> all comments welcome, I just want to know what we are facing here.

>

> My own experience tells me that all we do in this realm are 'tools'

> to help us. Our human mind uses symbols and prayers and rituals to

> gain some sort of connection to the mystery. If we know this, and use

> the tools (whether they be asana practice, prayer, protection mantras

> or incantations) knowing that they are tools to help us in our path -

> I use them, and I recommend them. The key is the attachment, or lack

> of it.

>

> Perhaps Chrism, you feel that if we do psychic protection, we admit

> there is something to be afraid of? But in my experience, fear is

> there for a reason - and that is 'caution' - so, go slow, be

> sensible - and when you're sure the fear is not necessary - let go.

>

> I'm guessing.

>

> With love

>

[Guest guest]

I believe i might have been hit by a psychic attack a few days ago . I

was in my home watching my children when it happen . I felt like i was

gonna pass out and could hear a high pitch sound in my ears . My

vision was a little cloudy and i could feel a pulling around my heart

chakra that was sending out sharp ripples of energy all through my

body . I felt a little tightness in my chest but the ripples of energy

was actually almost 0rgasmic feeling . It only last about four minutes

and then it was over .

 

I've met a group of people lately and i talked to them about kundalini

and they have become quite interested in me . I'm not sure if this was

them or not , or if this was even an attack . I don't use any

protection techniques because i feel if i did , i would be using them

from a fear based intent .

 

I have noticed lately that i have been seeing entities quite clearly

and quite often . I am doing my best to detach but my curiosity is

getting the best of me . I need discipline . -lol

 

blessings

[Guest guest]

What a lovely response - thank you - I felt your waves and they were good.

The thing I notice about empaths is they know how it feels to feel abuse, so they are more conscious of restraining their negatives.

Thanks for your words.

Can I ask you, and everyone, what they think an empath's chief role is?

I've heard that we work well in the healing field. By being able to feel/see the other's pain (sometimes with more clarity than the individual) - we can identify where it comes from...?

Also remote prayer work (reiki/qigong/pranic healing) for hurt souls we meet in our daily life.

what do you think?

 

2008/12/3 novalees <dhyana

 

 

 

 

 

A belated welcome, Tiffany. So wonderful to haveyou here with us.There are many empaths in the group. Its a good placeto flex those spiritual muscles in all kinds of situationsand learn what we need to learn. A classroom for sure.

I've been here over two years and have never felt anythingthreatening from this group. When situations come up inour growing we can look at the options and what feels needed and right for us. Using our imagination we find

our power and tools to form what wants to grow in us. Itcan be challenging and a lot of fun. Its all in how wechoose to look at it. Hope that helps a little.Love, dhyana , " Tiffany "

<Tiffany wrote:>> Hi chrism, > hi to all,> > I have read through the safeties a few times. > > There isn't any thing specific about psychic protection, and reading

> what wrote about Drea's energy questions, I possibly broke > some sort of rule here by sending the psychic link. > > I'd like to know what you think about psychic protection in general.

> Do you see it as paranoia? Or is there a real need for it?> > all comments welcome, I just want to know what we are facing here. > > My own experience tells me that all we do in this realm are 'tools'

> to help us. Our human mind uses symbols and prayers and rituals to > gain some sort of connection to the mystery. If we know this, and use > the tools (whether they be asana practice, prayer, protection mantras

> or incantations) knowing that they are tools to help us in our path - > I use them, and I recommend them. The key is the attachment, or lack > of it. > > Perhaps Chrism, you feel that if we do psychic protection, we admit

> there is something to be afraid of? But in my experience, fear is > there for a reason - and that is 'caution' - so, go slow, be > sensible - and when you're sure the fear is not necessary - let go.

> > I'm guessing.> > With love> -- Tiffany JonesPatheya

[Guest guest]

Hi Chris

I understand what you all mean about the 'fear', and not giving in to it-

I think, if you are going to approach the holy fire in this way, then, more concentration should be given to surrendering to divine love/light/christ consciousness/shakti

When I spoke about amouring myself with 'love' so to speak - it was a manual effort.. and yes, I admit it, based on the fear of evil. Once I was strong enough, the walls fell down - and my body was given symbolic gifts in meditation by my guides. When they are activated, my whole body throbs with awareness and the strength I feel is not my own - it is the light of her blood in my viens. I am not my self.

However, I faced as many fears as I could, openly - while chanting 'I trust you' - but again - it was facing, more than anything, my lack of beleif in 'it'.

So - as far as I can make out - if we build up the surrender with mantras, guru yoga and bathing in fire - it is, the path to walk with no fear.

I just don't like us to be vicitims, as one of the new members wrote. Moving out of that victim mentality is really part of this path.

love to you

2008/12/3 Chris_H <chghes1

 

 

 

 

 

.I have noticed lately that i have been seeing entities quite clearlyand quite often . I am doing my best to detach but my curiosity isgetting the best of me . I need discipline . -lolblessings

-- Tiffany JonesPatheya

[Guest guest]

Maybe the gift is through the feeling you receive, by you feeling it and acknowledging it clearly and releasing it from your being you aid the other being to do the same.I would imagine all kinds of body work would be great for empaths such as massage and acupuncture , also working with children or in hospitals.Maybe being a marriage councellor also :-))Lots of loveelektra x x x

[Guest guest]

You shine such love, Elekra.

Thank you.

2008/12/3 Elektra Fire <elektra.fire

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe the gift is through the feeling you receive, by you feeling it and acknowledging it clearly and releasing it from your being you aid the other being to do the same.I would imagine all kinds of body work would be great for empaths such as massage and acupuncture , also working with children or in hospitals.

Maybe being a marriage councellor also :-))Lots of loveelektra x x x -- Tiffany JonesPatheya

[Guest guest]

Thanks for being that best in many hearts Elekra!

 

I am of your blood and soul

 

in the the quiet of us all .... you can find me

 

 

 

, Elektra Fire

<elektra.fire wrote:

>

> Maybe the gift is through the feeling you receive, by you feeling

it and acknowledging it clearly and releasing it from your being you

aid the other being to do the same.

> I would imagine all kinds of body work would be great for empaths

such as massage and acupuncture , also working with children or in

hospitals.

> Maybe being a marriage councellor also :-))

>

> Lots of love

> elektra x x x

>