Golden Dawn, Crowley, Oija Boards and others.....

[Guest guest]

The early systems of western divination came about with out much of

the understood conditionings from the east where many of the

teachings originated cetnuties ago. Much was taken from the mages

and occultists of the 14th,15th,16th and 17th centurys in Europe as

well as farther back into the Egyptian and pre Egyptian

civilizations.

 

What wasnt brought about or focussed so much on in the early

nineteenth century were many of the protocols of safety that were

also to be practiced in tandem with the other practices given. Some

did come with them I know the Golden Dawn has them but they are not

well known or well understood and society has evolved a severe

impatience in learning what is needed to take care of ones self.

Sacrificing safety for speed.

 

This being the case. I do not recommend any occult or other methods

of divination or spiritual summoning or techniques of healing or any

tehcniques while one is inside of the study for and practice of the

Kundalini. It can get very unpleasent. So please take this as a

warning.

 

Some of these ancient systems come with thier own sets of DE's. They

will compel you to hurt yourself. They can become a voice in the

head telling you to cause harm for yourself and others. So do not go

there. Remember Kundalini takes you into the spiritual AND the

phsyical at the same time. The ancients called it " having the eye

lids ripped off " Sounds kind of painful I know but thats what they

said. I dont think I was born with them. lol!

 

So keep yourself clear of this curiosity and focus on the guidlines

that are offered here. No money is made here. No agenda is here

except to help you into this most loving and exalted state of being

safely and sanely. It does take focus and work to do this and it is

much easier without involving ancient DE's with a hurtful agenda.

 

We focus on love here and forgiveness and the laws of grace. But

curiosity has a way of coming to a person easily on the internet and

I will ask that you do not mix anything with what is given here. -

blessings to you all! - chrism

[Guest guest]

You wrote ,

 

" This being the case. I do not recommend any occult or other methods

of divination or spiritual summoning or techniques of healing or any

techniques "

 

First…thanks for the warning.

However, could you be more specific? Which occult, divination,

summoning methods?

 

Are you referring to astrology, ruins, numerology, Reiki, Wican,

Oija? What else?

 

What is a " DE " ?

 

Also it sounds as if you are writing that some spiritual and healing

system have entities/guides that assist within the group, is this

true? Which healing systems? I am very involved in the " healing

arts " are there some that I should avoid once I am K active?

 

 

Lots of questions

 

rich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> The early systems of western divination came about with out much of

> the understood conditionings from the east where many of the

> teachings originated cetnuties ago. Much was taken from the mages

> and occultists of the 14th,15th,16th and 17th centurys in Europe as

> well as farther back into the Egyptian and pre Egyptian

> civilizations.

>

> What wasnt brought about or focussed so much on in the early

> nineteenth century were many of the protocols of safety that were

> also to be practiced in tandem with the other practices given. Some

> did come with them I know the Golden Dawn has them but they are not

> well known or well understood and society has evolved a severe

> impatience in learning what is needed to take care of ones self.

> Sacrificing safety for speed.

>

> This being the case. I do not recommend any occult or other methods

> of divination or spiritual summoning or techniques of healing or

any

> tehcniques while one is inside of the study for and practice of the

> Kundalini. It can get very unpleasent. So please take this as a

> warning.

>

> Some of these ancient systems come with thier own sets of DE's.

They

> will compel you to hurt yourself. They can become a voice in the

> head telling you to cause harm for yourself and others. So do not

go

> there. Remember Kundalini takes you into the spiritual AND the

> phsyical at the same time. The ancients called it " having the eye

> lids ripped off " Sounds kind of painful I know but thats what they

> said. I dont think I was born with them. lol!

>

> So keep yourself clear of this curiosity and focus on the guidlines

> that are offered here. No money is made here. No agenda is here

> except to help you into this most loving and exalted state of being

> safely and sanely. It does take focus and work to do this and it is

> much easier without involving ancient DE's with a hurtful agenda.

>

> We focus on love here and forgiveness and the laws of grace. But

> curiosity has a way of coming to a person easily on the internet

and

> I will ask that you do not mix anything with what is given here. -

> blessings to you all! - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

DE = Discarnate Entity(s)

 

Yes all of the modalities you named I would certainly stay away from

while you are inside of the Kundalini study and practice. Only

reason being that while in the limited five sense body discernment

of what is and isn't appropriate is very difficult. Not impossible

but very difficult.

 

With Kundalini one can become opened as an infant is opened to the

forces of the physicality at birth. It is very similar. So just as

one has guidance and help in that part of the physical conscious

expression so does one receive some assistance with the Kundalini.

Call it guidance, call it what you will. But the assistance is

different. It's not all warm and fuzzy. It will allow you to have

pain and fear and the associated experiences of those qualities.

 

This guidance in my experience of it is as concerned for the overall

learning of the soul as it is for the present incarnated learning of

the soul. The NOW of the soul so to say. If you make the choices

that nurture you divinity you will be rewarded if not you wont.

 

Even if that learning is full of pain and fear. It is also concerned

with the development of the soul within the certain choices that are

made and it will take a hands off approach and allow the person to

have and to hold that which they are predisposed towards creating

for themselves. This will be honored. For pleasure or pain or the

mixes there of.

 

Kundalini when it is framed within certain activities and guidelines

such as are in the safeties will take a definite " hands on " approach

with a person. This hands on approach is typically guided towards a

surrender to the changes that will allow a person to overcome fear

and understand its reasons for being. It will nurture a realization

towards an enlightenment that other systems will not and cannot

emulate.

 

Not saying other systems are ineffective merely that they are not

as directly focused on the actual Kundalini as the safeties are.

They often bring in tangential influences that are more directed

towards temptation of the person or phenomena or control of the

person whether the person, in their five sense blindness, realizes

it or not.

 

Within the creative aspects of what occurs inside of the Kundalini

the safeties are a place where a foundation of a quality of

awakening can be found where some of the more distracting elements

of a personal fear based interaction can be worked through without

the encumbrance of outside influences and systems that are

reflective of old and ancient fear based systems of control and

domination.

 

Kundalini is of the self. It is of the human being. Yes there are

forces that would hi jack and harness this divine gift of a person

for goals and power that are not directed towards the persons

continued evolution but merely for the expression of power and

dominance of many others including the awakening Kundalini person.

 

I do not espouse this type of learning as it is extremely slow and

takes many life times to recover from. But it is a choice for some

and they do take it. I will not teach these methodologies or do

anything to allow their expression inside of what I am given to

teach.

 

Here is an example:

 

I spoke with a woman recently and she indicated to me that she was

having a very difficult experience with her Kundalini. Hearing

voices and being compelled to do terrible things. At one point she

was directed to take the gardening shears off of the table and to

cut her nipples off with them. She was given commands to kill

herself and others and much more of a very hurtful quality.

 

Fortunately she resisted this. After further conversation it was

determined that she had indeed been following the " Do as thou wilt "

teachings of Crowley and following and absorbing Blavatsky and

Mather and many of those involved in the early 19 century emergence

of spiritual learning's that were just starting to be received by

the masses at large through writings of these and other people.

 

Not saying they are all bad or the people who practice them are that

way. Merely saying they are not conducive to a positive Kundalini

awakening environment. This is the core of my message about not

practicing these systems. It's like bleeding in shark infested

waters.

 

With the healing modalities it is very difficult to discern what it

is that is directing one inside of the healings that are given and

what energies or consciousness are being inserted into the

practitioner and the patient.

 

It isn't fair to take these risks with people who are in pain.

 

People who engage in these healing modalities as good willed as they

are simply do not understand or have any control over what is being

done. They do not know what trade is being made or what will happen

to the person as a result of these interactions. They take it upon

themselves Karma wise and so does the patient. I do not intend to

name any specific healing modality and I do not mean to impugn

anyone's livelihood or practice.

 

It is what it is and there will be balances to be made. Good

intentions and a willingness to serve are aspects of grace that is

given. These are excellent qualities. Inside of ego orientation

though even the best of intentions can become less as the ego

desires strain the intentions and often, though not always, but

often mold them into areas of self exalted ego expressions of

personal aggrandizement. Short circuiting the activities.

 

Once again I am not saying that all who practice the healing

modalities fall under these assertions merely that many do and it is

in those practices where unintentional harm can be incurred.

 

When we learn how to control our mental conscious thinking minds.

When we practice teachings that are based in love and consideration

and respect and surrender to the divine with in us. Call it what you

will, when we make decisions to respond to stimulus of various

source in ways that are not hurtful or actively engaged in the

bondage of anger and fear and ego we begin to understand the

evolution of what we are able to become.

 

Let the Kundalini become your focus. Let your inner divinity begin

to assert itself within you without outside influence. Allow

yourself to begin your evolution through fear and the desires before

you step into systems that will potentially cause you harm. It's a

big multiverse. There are many areas of experience. Learn to control

your thoughts. Learn to control your responses. Learn to love in

ways that are and are not focused on personal self and you will do

well inside of the Kundalini. – blessings all - chrism

 

 

 

, " Richard

Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote:

First…thanks for the warning.

> However, could you be more specific?

[Guest guest]

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

There are many areas of experience. Learn to control

> your thoughts. Learn to control your responses. Learn to love in

> ways that are and are not focused on personal self and you will do

> well inside of the Kundalini. – blessings all - chrism

>

 

Chrism

 

would Kundalini be referred to Dharma?

 

http://buddhanet.net/4noble.htm

 

will my Buddhism practices help me in my Kundalini process? in other

words, I don't have to start from scratch?

 

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Would the K healing be considered a cult?

 

I had this dream last night and wondered how I could be into " free

thinking " and still believe in God " I believe in God and will not

abandon that thought so I'm hoping it doesn't interfere with the K

healing.

 

Dream:

I was in a huge church that was dimly lit. I was in the middle

section about half way toward the back lying down on my back in a pew

hiding from something (not sure if it was a person or entity)

 

The pew seat was red velvet cushioned, and the back of it was made of

wood. As I laid there I felt safe and knew that only God could help

me.

 

Then one of my best friend's sister (who I like and get along

with) came in and brought me my purse. I felt as if she took

something out of it but I didn't investigate because I had more

important concerns, so I set in on the floor next to the pew and she

left.

 

I realized since she knew where I was I might as well sit up, and I

did. Then I seen a bunch of people coming into the church and didn't

feel

safe anymore so I left.

 

I went (it seemed down into a basement, but it was like a kitchen for

a restaurant) and checked my time sheet. I seen that some one had

erased my time from 5 hours to 4. I looked around to see who could

have done this but I seen no one.

 

I was upset that I was going to be

cheated out of money. (A client did this to me IRL about 2-3 weeks

ago and I am going to tell her she underpaid me when I see her this

week and ask her for it. If she says no I will forgive her.)

 

Then I'm driving down the highway and I see a guy who I used to date

sitting in his truck on the side of the road. The steering wheel was

on the right hand side instead of the left (he was behind the

steering wheel). It looked as if he had gained about 3 times the

amount of weight a normal human being should weigh? It was implied

his vehicle had stalled. He had a smirk on his face like he knew

something.

 

I get to this place (but there was nothing to call this place, it was

somewhat of a void space that was dark) where there are some people I

know, and I see the guy I dated. (We are friends but don't hang out,

and I see him as a brother type figure IRL).

 

There is some trust built up and he has always been big and manly, so

I feel safe in his presence. I went up to him and asked if he could

help me with this thing that was after me. He said he couldn't help

me and walked away.

 

IMO The thing after me is my fear of the unknown that I encountered

yesterday. I calmed my fear down about the unknown, but now I'm

having trust issues with people.

 

Love and blessing to all who read this.

Tammy