Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Hello Jeremy, Ramakrishna was an extremely Kundalini active avatar of India. He would walk around in ecstasy quite often giving teachings from this state. I have ecstasy as well and it is a very profound state of being and that he could teach from it is amazing. I have to wait for it to subside. Ramakrishna was held here in this reality by his teachings and by the small use of desire as a tool for grounding him in this reality. He would eat chocolates. One day a student came to him demanding to know why, if he was so evolved, he would consume such obvious unenlightened desire based candies. Ramakrishna replied that he was here to teach and these helped him to do so. One day later he died. This story which I may or may not have correct in exact detail is what I am writing of when it comes to the difficulty of staying here. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 Hi Jeremy, > 1.) Some of the yogi Masters from the East appear to have only lived > very short lives. Is this because they had forefilled their life > purpose, achieved total Nirvikalpa Samadhi, Sahaja Samadhi, or > Nirvana etc. or is it that their bodies could not withstand the > continual high levels of kundalini energy? I have heard that they could leave their bodies at will and died when they were ready. Perhaps will know and he is probably withstanding a very high continual level of energy at this time ~ Love that energy!!! ~ Angelina , " jezzwhizz " <jezzwhizz wrote: > > 1.) Some of the yogi Masters from the East appear to have only lived > very short lives. Is this because they had forefilled their life > purpose, achieved total Nirvikalpa Samadhi, Sahaja Samadhi, or > Nirvana etc. or is it that their bodies could not withstand the > continual high levels of kundalini energy? > > 2.) It has been written and spoken that kundalini will help heal the > body, yet again certain saints and other individuals appeared to have > suffered illness, even though they were kundalini active? > > namaste jeremy > > > > > > So unless you have learned the nuances of the lessons of Kundalini > and > > have learned to control your thoughts and feelings and fears now in > > this life do not expect to have the full dose of Kundalini for it > > surely would kill you. Just like a kid playing with fire near a > fifty > > gallon gas tank. > > > > Take the gift in small doses and learn to apply what you have > learned > > and do this with constancy and deliberation. Use the skill sets that > > come to enhance your new knowledge and propel you into a stronger > > understanding and expression. > > > > We go very fast in our society. We learn a subject in a certain > amount > > of time and have certain expectations of the knowledge being > attained > > in very specific ways. A doctor or a lawyer or an engineer has > certain > > educational requirements that are expected of them by themselves and > > by the society they reside in. So it is with the Kundalini except it > > is a much broader subject and society doesn't know anything about it > > generally. It is incredibly vast and will fill many " lifetimes " of > > learning for an individual. > > > > So give it some time. > > > > At least as much time as you would for any other extended subject > > matter. Your patience and diligence will pay off but you must give > it > > a priority worthy of its gifts. (That's a trick statement. Think > about > > that for a bit) Until you do so your experiences with it will be > > limited to mere sensation (maybe). > > > > Some of us have entered into this study before but were only able to > > come a certain part of the way before death overcame us in other > > existences. So here we are again learning to swim all over again but > > it comes much easier and the education sticks and holds without as > > much effort. For those of us in that classroom you will understand > the > > " pull " to learn and the impetus to learn the tools of navigation. > Your > > understandings will often come without the urging of a teacher > > especially in areas that you have already spent some time with in > > another life episode. So you move faster and have more phenomena and > > this is good! > > > > As you know the lessons still remain. You still get to overcome the > > blind obedience to physical and emotional urges and thoughts and > > fears. It comes to you quickly but these are the tools of navigation > > and so you learn them as you learn to stand, walk, run, drive a car. > > The education is repeated and you can once again approach these > areas > > with a strong format of understanding. You will take this as far as > > you can go and you may take it all of the way out of physical > > expression. Doesn't mean you die. Something else occurs! I won't > ruin > > the surprise. > > > > I write this in order to help us place the idea of Full Power > > Kundalini on an unconditioned body into a perspective that will help > > you make some important choices for yourself. Are you willing to go > as > > far as you can? Are you willing to make changes? How important is > the > > Kundalini to you? Why are you seeking it? > > > > Think about these questions and answer them for yourself as best and > > as honestly as you can. Realize that as we learn to navigate the > > physical body we must relearn what it is to navigate a body > awakening > > to the Kundalini. Like the physical body is to an infant Kundalini > is > > a whole new set of expressions and they all contribute to the way we > > are in the early divine state. – blessings all - chrism > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 You had more questions Jeremy so here we go! In many cases the Master will have fulfilled what they came to do and they then leave (die)( transition). Samadhi, Nirvanha, and these other states are what can be achieved while in a body. Outside of a vehicle of flesh there are far fewer barriers. Though not saying everyone goes there upon death merely that there is other information available. In regards to the healing issues and the Saints. Yes many of them had difficult health issues. Some of these were from the Kundalini itself as they did not have all of the information they needed for the balancing of such a tremendous force within them. And in other scenarios the pain of the affliction, the trauma of it, was what brought the awakening in the fist place. Also many of the Saints lived in very harsh conditions. Kundalini will heal a body in very miraculous ways and it may have indeed been a factor in their survival in these areas. Sometimes what is needed is the harsh reality and the experience of it in order to come into the higher attitudes and experiences of the double realities. As we come into this life we also come with the treasures of our past existences. These treasures or Karma are not to be disguarded because one has awakened the Kundalini. Yes there will some disagreement with this from classical Hindu approaches but it is true non the less. We are not forgiven of Karma until it is balanced. And it can be balanced in a single life. Depending on what is needed for this balancing will in many ways determine what is given as the structure of the particular balancing. Kundalini can accelerate this process. In the acceleration can be seen difficulties that are in fact Karmic balancings in the making. Saints were not immune to these aspects of the path though not all suffered the same way. John of the Cross was tortured while at the same time St Theresa of Avila came to the Kundalini through prayer and devotion as did Hildegaard. Long suffering came to be a badge of devout spirituality and indeed can very well be so but it isnt a requirement for the individual unless it is. Kundalini isnt to be understood as a one size fits all application of spiritual transformation. We come with different Karmic needs and these needs will be met in the unique ways those debts were incurred.- blessings to you Jeremy! - chrism , " jezzwhizz " > <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > 1.) Some of the yogi Masters from the East appear to have only lived very short lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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