Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Chrism, God is Creator of all, I get that, so, where exactly is Hell? Is it possible to be cast to Hell forever? And who exactly is Satan? Is it possible to " sell one's soul " to Satan? What are the ramifications for this, if possible? Is it reversable? Just some thoughts I've been struggling with for a little while, please help me to understand better. With Love, Bill PS. no, I am not thinking about pursueing this, lol, nor do I know anyone in this situation. Just trying to understand the balance of Creation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Absence of GOD is Hell - my take loves-shiva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Thank you for your reply, but if God is everywhere and in everything and all is connected, then where can there possibly be " absence of God " ? Bill , mr.shivak wrote: > > Absence of GOD is Hell - my take > loves-shiva > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell in this area is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and actions that resonate with these qualities. People who are in the midst of drug addiction that is wearing away their veil of separation will often experience the Hell in the near or lower astral. The idea of hell being " down there " would also be consistent with the location of it being in the lower astral or lower and dense spiritual areas. " Down " from the spiritual areas of enlightenment to put it in a linear physical format. The truth of the matter though is that Hell is within us. It resides in our fears and actions that do not contribute to our evolution towards enlightenment. Yes I know the Bible Koran and other spiritual books have some views that may contradict what I am writing here and in no way to I intend to impugn the Bible, Koran or any spiritual book. I can merely give to you my experience with the Hell realms and the understandings gained from those experiences and from what the Kundalini gives in this regard. A person can remain in Hell as long as it takes for that person to learn the lessons being given. Typically they learn so forever is not an option. Satan is an entity that comprises a dense source of teaching. An extreme example of density for some of the Christians. Same with Lucifer. Shamanic cultures do not recognize that name. Nor do the Buddhists or the Maya. They have there own Gods of density. But for the Christians Satan is a symbol and entity of the course less refined qualities of expression. A soul can be done with as a person believes. So if one believes they can " seLL " their soul to anyone, Satan included, then this will be arranged by them more than by an entity. I am not sure what the current market price is though . -lol! The ramifications will be what that individual feels they need to learn. The value of freedom. The value of Gods love. The value of redemption should they be open to that. There are many lessons to be learned. Yes it is reversible. - blessings Bill. - chrism , Bill <astronutski wrote: > > Chrism, > God is Creator of all, I get that, so, where exactly is Hell? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 God is in Hell too. - c , " astronutski " <astronutski wrote: where can there possibly be " absence of God " ? > Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Chrism, > Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell in this area is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and actions that resonate with these qualities. < How does one know when they are in the astral? What is the difference between the near astral and the lower astral? ~ Angelina , " chrism " <> wrote: > > Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that > hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really > in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell in this area > is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and > actions that resonate with these qualities. > > People who are in the midst of drug addiction that is wearing away > their veil of separation will often experience the Hell in the near or > lower astral. The idea of hell being " down there " would also be > consistent with the location of it being in the lower astral or lower > and dense spiritual areas. " Down " from the spiritual areas of > enlightenment to put it in a linear physical format. > > The truth of the matter though is that Hell is within us. It resides > in our fears and actions that do not contribute to our evolution > towards enlightenment. > > Yes I know the Bible Koran and other spiritual books have some views > that may contradict what I am writing here and in no way to I intend > to impugn the Bible, Koran or any spiritual book. I can merely give to > you my experience with the Hell realms and the understandings gained > from those experiences and from what the Kundalini gives in this regard. > > A person can remain in Hell as long as it takes for that person to > learn the lessons being given. Typically they learn so forever is not > an option. > > Satan is an entity that comprises a dense source of teaching. An > extreme example of density for some of the Christians. Same with > Lucifer. Shamanic cultures do not recognize that name. Nor do the > Buddhists or the Maya. They have there own Gods of density. But for > the Christians Satan is a symbol and entity of the course less refined > qualities of expression. > > A soul can be done with as a person believes. So if one believes they > can " seLL " their soul to anyone, Satan included, then this will be > arranged by them more than by an entity. I am not sure what the > current market price is though . -lol! > > The ramifications will be what that individual feels they need to > learn. The value of freedom. The value of Gods love. The value of > redemption should they be open to that. There are many lessons to be > learned. > > Yes it is reversible. - blessings Bill. - chrism > > , Bill > <astronutski@> wrote: > > > > Chrism, > > God is Creator of all, I get that, so, where exactly is Hell? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Lower astral is somewhat conserned with uncontroled imagineings. fear induced by dogmas and fantastic beliefs that have little or no merrit are accustomed to the lower astral and are to do with the confusion between the lower three centres. It is overcome by mental ananalis and the comming to know who you are. Drugs and wrong doings tend to burn holes in the astral or auric body that does not alow the energies to flow naturally. Such things riddle the soul with fear and doubt causing ascention to the higher level of conciousness much more difficult only adding to the confusion. Once the path towatds the seeking of truth becomes paramount self healing begins though to get from fear based to fearless only the brave can achieve. There are paths that from the onset are more gentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is why people sould not worry about the speed they ascend. Many tantric practices are highly confrentational and is not for all as they are about directly removing the obsticles towards higher astral then towards mind. John ,M - gypsyeyes_101 Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:50 AM Re: Chrism, where is Hell? Dear Chrism,> Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel thathell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is reallyin the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell in this areais consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse andactions that resonate with these qualities. <How does one know when they are in the astral? What is the difference between the near astral and the lower astral? ~ Angelina , "chrism"<> wrote:>> Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that> hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really> in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell in this area> is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and> actions that resonate with these qualities. > > People who are in the midst of drug addiction that is wearing away> their veil of separation will often experience the Hell in the near or> lower astral. The idea of hell being "down there" would also be> consistent with the location of it being in the lower astral or lower> and dense spiritual areas. "Down" from the spiritual areas of> enlightenment to put it in a linear physical format. > > The truth of the matter though is that Hell is within us. It resides> in our fears and actions that do not contribute to our evolution > towards enlightenment.> > Yes I know the Bible Koran and other spiritual books have some views> that may contradict what I am writing here and in no way to I intend> to impugn the Bible, Koran or any spiritual book. I can merely give to> you my experience with the Hell realms and the understandings gained> from those experiences and from what the Kundalini gives in thisregard. > > A person can remain in Hell as long as it takes for that person to> learn the lessons being given. Typically they learn so forever is not> an option.> > Satan is an entity that comprises a dense source of teaching. An> extreme example of density for some of the Christians. Same with> Lucifer. Shamanic cultures do not recognize that name. Nor do the> Buddhists or the Maya. They have there own Gods of density. But for> the Christians Satan is a symbol and entity of the course less refined> qualities of expression.> > A soul can be done with as a person believes. So if one believes they> can "seLL" their soul to anyone, Satan included, then this will be> arranged by them more than by an entity. I am not sure what the> current market price is though . -lol!> > The ramifications will be what that individual feels they need to> learn. The value of freedom. The value of Gods love. The value of> redemption should they be open to that. There are many lessons to be> learned.> > Yes it is reversible. - blessings Bill. - chrism> > , Bill> <astronutski@> wrote:> >> > Chrism,> > God is Creator of all, I get that, so, where exactly is Hell?> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 John, what you wrote reminded me of something I read once. I liked it so much I copied it for future reference.Carolyn "For some it is best to awaken slowly, that they might draw others gradually along with them and be not like shooting stars whom no one comprehends. ... It is well that the light is a twilight at first, for in twilight no one is blinded."'Beliefs are those things we hold to be true, and which are instrumental in creating our actions and our experience of life.'--- On Fri, 1/16/09, JOHN. M <john.mathieson1 wrote: There are paths that from the onset are more gentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is why people sould not worry about the speed they ascend. _._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Thanks for sharing that quote, Carolyn. I like it a lot...maybe because my awakening has been very slow. Looking back, I feel it actually began when I was only 6 years old when I first asked Jesus to be my savior and guide. Linda , ReikiHands2004 <reikihands2004 wrote: > > > John, what you wrote reminded me of something I read once. I liked it so much I copied it for future reference. > > Carolyn > > " For some it is best to awaken slowly, that they might draw others gradually along with them and be not like shooting stars whom no one comprehends. .... It is well that the light is a twilight at first, for in twilight no one is blinded. " > > 'Beliefs are those things we hold to be true, and which are instrumental in creating our actions and our experience of life.' > > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, JOHN. M <john.mathieson1 wrote: > > > > There are paths that from the onset are more gentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is why people sould not worry about the speed they ascend. _._,___ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I went back and checked, and it was from the book The Third Millennium: Living in the Posthistoric World by Ken Carey. Carolyn'Beliefs are those things we hold to be true, and which are instrumental in creating our actions and our experience of life.'--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Linda <crazycats711 wrote: Linda <crazycats711 Re: Chrism, where is Hell? Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 1:48 PM Thanks for sharing that quote, Carolyn. I like it a lot...maybe because my awakening has been very slow. Looking back, I feel it actually began when I was only 6 years old when I first asked Jesus to be my savior and guide. LindaKundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , ReikiHands2004 <reikihands2004@ ...> wrote:>> > John, what you wrote reminded me of something I read once. I liked it so much I copied it for future reference.> > Carolyn> > "For some it is best to awaken slowly, that they might draw others gradually along with them and be not like shooting stars whom no one comprehends. .... It is well that the light is a twilight at first, for in twilight no one is blinded."> > 'Beliefs are those things we hold to be true, and which are instrumental in creating our actions and our experience of life.'> > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, JOHN. M <john.mathieson1@ ...> wrote:> > > > There are paths that from the onset are more gentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is why people sould not worry about the speed they ascend. _._,___> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Thank you for asking about hell, Bill. I did some research and came across a very illuminating find. The concept of hell that is widely accepted as truth by most christian groups, and hung over the heads of those who won't " accept Christ " actually is not found in the Bible. Its a very interesting read for those of you who may be interested. My intuition tells me this may be a messianic christian group. (Jews that believe in Christ as the Messiah). http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/hell.html Love, dhyana , Bill <astronutski wrote: > > Chrism, > God is Creator of all, I get that, so, where exactly is Hell? > > Is it possible to be cast to Hell forever? > > And who exactly is Satan? > > Is it possible to " sell one's soul " to Satan? > > What are the ramifications for this, if possible? > > Is it reversable? > > Just some thoughts I've been struggling with for a little while, please help me to understand better. > With Love, > Bill > PS. no, I am not thinking about pursueing this, lol, nor do I know anyone in this situation. Just trying to understand the balance of Creation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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