Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Hi John, > Once the path towatds the seeking of truth becomes paramount self healing begins though to get from fear based to fearless only the brave can achieve. There are paths that from the onset are more gentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is why people sould not worry about the speed they ascend. Many tantric practices are highly confrentational and is not for all as they are about directly removing the obsticles towards higher astral then towards mind.< Thank you for your reply! Could you please tell me more about how many tantric practice are confrontational and are not for all as they are about directly removing the obstacles towards higher astral than towards mind? Why does it take the bravery that you mentioned? ~ Angelina , " JOHN. M " <john.mathieson1 wrote: > > Lower astral is somewhat conserned with uncontroled imagineings. fear induced by dogmas and fantastic beliefs that have little or no merrit are accustomed to the lower astral and are to do with the confusion between the lower three centres. It is overcome by mental ananalis and the comming to know who you are. Drugs and wrong doings tend to burn holes in the astral or auric body that does not alow the energies to flow naturally. Such things riddle the soul with fear and doubt causing ascention to the higher level of conciousness much more difficult only adding to the confusion. > > Once the path towatds the seeking of truth becomes paramount self healing begins though to get from fear based to fearless only the brave can achieve. There are paths that from the onset are more gentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is why people sould not worry about the speed they ascend. Many tantric practices are highly confrentational and is not for all as they are about directly removing the obsticles towards higher astral then towards mind. > > John ,M > - > gypsyeyes_101 > > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:50 AM > Re: Chrism, where is Hell? > > > Dear Chrism, > > > Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that > hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really > in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell in this area > is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and > actions that resonate with these qualities. < > > How does one know when they are in the astral? What is the > difference between the near astral and the lower astral? ~ Angelina > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that > > hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really > > in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell in this area > > is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and > > actions that resonate with these qualities. > > > > People who are in the midst of drug addiction that is wearing away > > their veil of separation will often experience the Hell in the near or > > lower astral. The idea of hell being " down there " would also be > > consistent with the location of it being in the lower astral or lower > > and dense spiritual areas. " Down " from the spiritual areas of > > enlightenment to put it in a linear physical format. > > > > The truth of the matter though is that Hell is within us. It resides > > in our fears and actions that do not contribute to our evolution > > towards enlightenment. > > > > Yes I know the Bible Koran and other spiritual books have some views > > that may contradict what I am writing here and in no way to I intend > > to impugn the Bible, Koran or any spiritual book. I can merely give to > > you my experience with the Hell realms and the understandings gained > > from those experiences and from what the Kundalini gives in this > regard. > > > > A person can remain in Hell as long as it takes for that person to > > learn the lessons being given. Typically they learn so forever is not > > an option. > > > > Satan is an entity that comprises a dense source of teaching. An > > extreme example of density for some of the Christians. Same with > > Lucifer. Shamanic cultures do not recognize that name. Nor do the > > Buddhists or the Maya. They have there own Gods of density. But for > > the Christians Satan is a symbol and entity of the course less refined > > qualities of expression. > > > > A soul can be done with as a person believes. So if one believes they > > can " seLL " their soul to anyone, Satan included, then this will be > > arranged by them more than by an entity. I am not sure what the > > current market price is though . -lol! > > > > The ramifications will be what that individual feels they need to > > learn. The value of freedom. The value of Gods love. The value of > > redemption should they be open to that. There are many lessons to be > > learned. > > > > Yes it is reversible. - blessings Bill. - chrism > > > > , Bill > > <astronutski@> wrote: > > > > > > Chrism, > > > God is Creator of all, I get that, so, where exactly is Hell? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Hi Angelina, did you listen to chrism's blogtalk radio interview this week. He explains most of that in his interview. Linda , " gypsyeyes_101 " <gypsyeyes_101 wrote: > > Hi John, > > > Once the path towatds the seeking of truth becomes paramount self > healing begins though to get from fear based to fearless only the > brave can achieve. There are paths that from the onset are more > gentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is why > people sould not worry about the speed they ascend. Many tantric > practices are highly confrentational and is not for all as they are > about directly removing the obsticles towards higher astral then > towards mind.< > > Thank you for your reply! Could you please tell me more about > how many tantric practice are confrontational and are not for > all as they are about directly removing the obstacles towards > higher astral than towards mind? Why does it take the bravery > that you mentioned? ~ Angelina > > > , " JOHN. M " > <john.mathieson1@> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Hi Linda, > Hi Angelina, did you listen to chrism's blogtalk radio interview this > week. He explains most of that in his interview. I wanted to but was at work. ~ Angelina , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > Hi Angelina, did you listen to chrism's blogtalk radio interview this > week. He explains most of that in his interview. > > Linda > > , " gypsyeyes_101 " > <gypsyeyes_101@> wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > > > > Once the path towatds the seeking of truth becomes paramount self > > healing begins though to get from fear based to fearless only the > > brave can achieve. There are paths that from the onset are more > > gentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is why > > people sould not worry about the speed they ascend. Many tantric > > practices are highly confrentational and is not for all as they are > > about directly removing the obsticles towards higher astral then > > towards mind.< > > > > Thank you for your reply! Could you please tell me more about > > how many tantric practice are confrontational and are not for > > all as they are about directly removing the obstacles towards > > higher astral than towards mind? Why does it take the bravery > > that you mentioned? ~ Angelina > > > > > > , " JOHN. M " > > <john.mathieson1@> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 It is still in the archives there on blog talk radio. You can go there and listen at your own time. Linda , " gypsyeyes_101 " <gypsyeyes_101 wrote: > > Hi Linda, > > > Hi Angelina, did you listen to chrism's blogtalk radio interview this > > week. He explains most of that in his interview. > > I wanted to but was at work. ~ Angelina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 - gypsyeyes_101 Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:26 AM Re: Astral - John Hi John,> Once the path towatds the seeking of truth becomes paramount selfhealing begins though to get from fear based to fearless only thebrave can achieve. There are paths that from the onset are moregentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is whypeople sould not worry about the speed they ascend. Many tantricpractices are highly confrentational and is not for all as they areabout directly removing the obsticles towards higher astral thentowards mind.<Thank you for your reply! Could you please tell me more abouthow many tantric practice are confrontational and are not forall as they are about directly removing the obstacles towardshigher astral than towards mind? Why does it take the braverythat you mentioned? ~ Angelina , "JOHN. M"<john.mathieson1 wrote:>> Lower astral is somewhat conserned with uncontroled imagineings.fear induced by dogmas and fantastic beliefs that have little or nomerrit are accustomed to the lower astral and are to do with theconfusion between the lower three centres. It is overcome by mentalananalis and the comming to know who you are. Drugs and wrong doingstend to burn holes in the astral or auric body that does not alow theenergies to flow naturally. Such things riddle the soul with fear anddoubt causing ascention to the higher level of conciousness much moredifficult only adding to the confusion.> > Once the path towatds the seeking of truth becomes paramount selfhealing begins though to get from fear based to fearless only thebrave can achieve. There are paths that from the onset are moregentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is whypeople sould not worry about the speed they ascend. Many tantricpractices are highly confrentational and is not for all as they areabout directly removing the obsticles towards higher astral thentowards mind.> > John ,M> - > gypsyeyes_101 > > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:50 AM> Re: Chrism, where is Hell?> > > Dear Chrism,> > > Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that> hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really> in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell in this area> is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and> actions that resonate with these qualities. <> > How does one know when they are in the astral? What is the > difference between the near astral and the lower astral? ~ Angelina> > , "chrism"> <@> wrote:> >> > Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that> > hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really> > in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell inthis area> > is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and> > actions that resonate with these qualities. > > > > People who are in the midst of drug addiction that is wearing away> > their veil of separation will often experience the Hell in thenear or> > lower astral. The idea of hell being "down there" would also be> > consistent with the location of it being in the lower astral orlower> > and dense spiritual areas. "Down" from the spiritual areas of> > enlightenment to put it in a linear physical format. > > > > The truth of the matter though is that Hell is within us. It resides> > in our fears and actions that do not contribute to our evolution > > towards enlightenment.> > > > Yes I know the Bible Koran and other spiritual books have some views> > that may contradict what I am writing here and in no way to I intend> > to impugn the Bible, Koran or any spiritual book. I can merelygive to> > you my experience with the Hell realms and the understandings gained> > from those experiences and from what the Kundalini gives in this> regard. > > > > A person can remain in Hell as long as it takes for that person to> > learn the lessons being given. Typically they learn so foreveris not> > an option.> > > > Satan is an entity that comprises a dense source of teaching. An> > extreme example of density for some of the Christians. Same with> > Lucifer. Shamanic cultures do not recognize that name. Nor do the> > Buddhists or the Maya. They have there own Gods of density. But for> > the Christians Satan is a symbol and entity of the course lessrefined> > qualities of expression.> > > > A soul can be done with as a person believes. So if one believesthey> > can "seLL" their soul to anyone, Satan included, then this will be> > arranged by them more than by an entity. I am not sure what the> > current market price is though . -lol!> > > > The ramifications will be what that individual feels they need to> > learn. The value of freedom. The value of Gods love. The value of> > redemption should they be open to that. There are many lessons to be> > learned.> > > > Yes it is reversible. - blessings Bill. - chrism> > > > , Bill> > <astronutski@> wrote:> > >> > > Chrism,> > > God is Creator of all, I get that, so, where exactly is Hell?> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Angelina, Many of these practices are dangerous and should only be under guidance of a master, I am not that.I hesently attempted to tell more of the practices looking out side of myself though inside was telling me it is not right that I should speak of them in this forum. After speaking to chrism last night and seeing that he was not so happy with what I had wrote I asked him to remove my answer to you and group concerning these practices. Including the ones that I made in the past as I pointed out to him which ones. I am not a teacher as such, I still have much more work to do on myself before I feel any commitment towards being so. Thank you and sorry John .M - gypsyeyes_101 Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:26 AM Re: Astral - John Hi John,> Once the path towatds the seeking of truth becomes paramount selfhealing begins though to get from fear based to fearless only thebrave can achieve. There are paths that from the onset are moregentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is whypeople sould not worry about the speed they ascend. Many tantricpractices are highly confrentational and is not for all as they areabout directly removing the obsticles towards higher astral thentowards mind.<Thank you for your reply! Could you please tell me more abouthow many tantric practice are confrontational and are not forall as they are about directly removing the obstacles towardshigher astral than towards mind? Why does it take the braverythat you mentioned? ~ Angelina , "JOHN. M"<john.mathieson1 wrote:>> Lower astral is somewhat conserned with uncontroled imagineings.fear induced by dogmas and fantastic beliefs that have little or nomerrit are accustomed to the lower astral and are to do with theconfusion between the lower three centres. It is overcome by mentalananalis and the comming to know who you are. Drugs and wrong doingstend to burn holes in the astral or auric body that does not alow theenergies to flow naturally. Such things riddle the soul with fear anddoubt causing ascention to the higher level of conciousness much moredifficult only adding to the confusion.> > Once the path towatds the seeking of truth becomes paramount selfhealing begins though to get from fear based to fearless only thebrave can achieve. There are paths that from the onset are moregentile on the soul wich release fear at a slower rate it is whypeople sould not worry about the speed they ascend. Many tantricpractices are highly confrentational and is not for all as they areabout directly removing the obsticles towards higher astral thentowards mind.> > John ,M> - > gypsyeyes_101 > > Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:50 AM> Re: Chrism, where is Hell?> > > Dear Chrism,> > > Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that> hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really> in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell in this area> is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and> actions that resonate with these qualities. <> > How does one know when they are in the astral? What is the > difference between the near astral and the lower astral? ~ Angelina> > , "chrism"> <@> wrote:> >> > Depends on your belief system Bill. Some people actually feel that> > hell is inside of the Earth. Hell as I have experienced it is really> > in the near astral commonly called the lower astral. Hell inthis area> > is consistent with fears and doubts and guilt, anger and remorse and> > actions that resonate with these qualities. > > > > People who are in the midst of drug addiction that is wearing away> > their veil of separation will often experience the Hell in thenear or> > lower astral. The idea of hell being "down there" would also be> > consistent with the location of it being in the lower astral orlower> > and dense spiritual areas. "Down" from the spiritual areas of> > enlightenment to put it in a linear physical format. > > > > The truth of the matter though is that Hell is within us. It resides> > in our fears and actions that do not contribute to our evolution > > towards enlightenment.> > > > Yes I know the Bible Koran and other spiritual books have some views> > that may contradict what I am writing here and in no way to I intend> > to impugn the Bible, Koran or any spiritual book. I can merelygive to> > you my experience with the Hell realms and the understandings gained> > from those experiences and from what the Kundalini gives in this> regard. > > > > A person can remain in Hell as long as it takes for that person to> > learn the lessons being given. Typically they learn so foreveris not> > an option.> > > > Satan is an entity that comprises a dense source of teaching. An> > extreme example of density for some of the Christians. Same with> > Lucifer. Shamanic cultures do not recognize that name. Nor do the> > Buddhists or the Maya. They have there own Gods of density. But for> > the Christians Satan is a symbol and entity of the course lessrefined> > qualities of expression.> > > > A soul can be done with as a person believes. So if one believesthey> > can "seLL" their soul to anyone, Satan included, then this will be> > arranged by them more than by an entity. I am not sure what the> > current market price is though . -lol!> > > > The ramifications will be what that individual feels they need to> > learn. The value of freedom. The value of Gods love. The value of> > redemption should they be open to that. There are many lessons to be> > learned.> > > > Yes it is reversible. - blessings Bill. - chrism> > > > , Bill> > <astronutski@> wrote:> > >> > > Chrism,> > > God is Creator of all, I get that, so, where exactly is Hell?> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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