Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dear ChrismWould you please comment on " Depersonalization Disorder " at this page mentioned: http://www.diigo.com/04nom Besides many things, they claim that meditation and mystic assumptions causes depersonalization.How to avoid losing ego?Some technics we are using and attitudes such as " surrendering , letting go " etc. couldn't increase depersonalization? Love end regards,Cüneyt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Something becomes a " disorder " when it isn't understood and fear is allowed into the equation. We respond to the unusual by trying to fit it into specific references and if the references are not easily attained and something as personal as the self is involved and out of our " control " then we become afraid and it becomes an illness or disorder. Kundalini is like this. It is unusual and fits no common reference model. It usurps conscious control away from a person for a time and it isn't recognized by our beloved science. So it becomes a " spiritual emergency " or " Kundalini Syndrome " whether it fits the understood version of the syndrome or not. We do not understand the mechanisms of consciousness. We are not able to label and find continuity with a non linear sequence of events and so it causes us fear. When fear and all of its effects upon the body and mind are mixed with the qualities of something like Kundalini then the amplification can be quite strong. Mere meditation can bring on altered states. Depersonalization is also known as ego subduction or losing the ego. In one instance a person seeking the Kundalini can seek this and knowing this is the goal when they experience it they can assimilate it without to much hardship or fear. In another case if a person isn't seeking this and it occurs they can go straight into fear and that can be amplified and now it has become a disease or disorder. We as five sense beings do not understand very much at all about what lies beyond the five sense ego controlled reality that we live in. So anything outside of those parameters is difficult to understand and assimilate. Nothing is wrong and much can be healthy but without the context of our five sense physical reality there will most often be fear. We are more than our physical bodies. Out of body experiences prove this. Have one and you will understand. We are also more than our egos. With Kundalini and some other states we can have an " Out of Ego Experience " an OOEE so to say. - lol. When this occurs we are traveling into the areas that are not familiar and yet they are only unfamiliar to the ego. Think about it. What's left if there is no ego? Who are you if you are not you? What are you? I have felt these questions and the answers that have come to me are that we are that which has chosen to incarnate. The ego isn't always keeping up in the conditionings as a physical body may do. For instance people will do physical yoga far more than emotional yoga. They can become this great yogi person and still have emotional outbursts. Like a grown man wearing emotional diapers. This is actually quite common in the western worlds. If we practice in a balanced format we can move away from some of these imbalances. When we condition towards that which " isn't " from a place of that which " is " we need to understand in small increments exactly what that feels like. The person isn't typically thrown into it with out knowing how to swim. Rather they are given little glimpses of it and being allowed to adjust and seek information. This is good but the balancing must still continue. Going out of duality or out of the ego requires that we become aware of ourselves as more than a singularity of consciousness. More than a duality inside of a singularity. I'm losing you here? When we come into areas of expression that are completely different than what we are used to we must simply allow that reality and its effects upon us to be the motus operndai of that place. If this means that you are know longer you as you know it in this reality then there it is. You are no longer you and yet you are still you in this reality. Like the OBE you are still connected to this reality due to the physical context of where your consciousness is living. Your silver consciousness chord so to say. So when you are out there in " no ego land " you will still come back to the ego expressing person you are used to being but hopefully with more of a balanced format as you now understand that you are more than the ego expression you have come to know. Depersonalization is merely coming into contact with these states. If you do it on purpose its a good thing. If you come there without knowledge or intent it can become the dreaded syndrome or condition or disease. Anything we do outside of ego control can have some ego discomfort attached to it. Ego always wants control over any experience. Kundalini will take a person into these areas and beyond so heads up and fasten your seat belts. Keep your hands and arms inside the vehicle and don't feed the wildlife. It's a new and strange land for your ego consciousness. It is a well known land for the rest of you. - Blessings Cuneyt and all and I hope this covered it to some degree. - chrism , " M. Cuneyt Birkok " <birkok wrote: >Dear Chrism >Would you please comment on " *Depersonalization Disorder " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Wow. After reading the website Cuneyt provided, it described to a great degree what I have been experiencing recently. Thank you so much for this post Chrism, it has brought things into perspective for me. I still don't think I will enjoy the experiences, but knowing why it is happening makes it less scary. Your words also brought into sharp focus my alien dream where the manual I was given said "Here you only have one life instead of two". After the dream the episodes started in earnest. I suppose when we are not in this incarnation and the ego is not present, we only have one life instead of two. Sarita , "chrismming41" <chrismming41 wrote:>> Something becomes a "disorder" when it isn't understood and fear is> allowed into the equation. We respond to the unusual by trying to fit> it into specific references and if the references are not easily> attained and something as personal as the self is involved and out of> our "control" then we become afraid and it becomes an illness or disorder.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 @@@ Going out of duality or out of the ego requires that we become aware of ourselves as more than a singularity of consciousness. More than a duality inside of a singularity. I'm losing you here? @@@ My mind thought when I read your statement, that we are mutiple inside of one, like those nesting bowls. Am I lost? Hehe! I have experience a few episodes of such, I think. I thought at the time that I was experiencing temporay amnesia for some unknown reason, maybe stress. It is totally strange to be standing there and not know your own name are anything, just a total blank mind for several minutes. The strange body sensation you have at those times does feel the same as when you are having an OBE or at least similar. I just now realized that. The people there at that place of business had me go set down and relax when I began to panic. I had definately stepped out, but some " I " was present, hearing them ask my name and phone number, but " that I " didn't know my name. Hehe! Come to think of it, back there farther back, when I was having all those passing out spells, but didn't actually pass out, I had those same body sensations then, as well. Am I schizo? It happened once when I was driving home. I guess one of my other selves took over the driving, but didn't know were I lived, because when I came back, I was a couple of miles past my house and did not know where I was for several minutes. I panic a little bit that time too. I have little shorts one ever once in a while, but I just take those to be old age brain farts. Linda --- " chrismming41 " <chrismming41 wrote: > > Something becomes a " disorder " when it isn't understood and fear is > allowed into the equation. We respond to the unusual by trying to fit > it into specific references and if the references are not easily > attained and something as personal as the self is involved and out of > our " control " then we become afraid and it becomes an illness or disorder. > > Kundalini is like this. It is unusual and fits no common reference > model. It usurps conscious control away from a person for a time and > it isn't recognized by our beloved science. So it becomes a " spiritual > emergency " or " Kundalini Syndrome " whether it fits the understood > version of the syndrome or not. > > We do not understand the mechanisms of consciousness. We are not able > to label and find continuity with a non linear sequence of events and > so it causes us fear. When fear and all of its effects upon the body > and mind are mixed with the qualities of something like Kundalini then > the amplification can be quite strong. > > Mere meditation can bring on altered states. Depersonalization is also > known as ego subduction or losing the ego. In one instance a person > seeking the Kundalini can seek this and knowing this is the goal when > they experience it they can assimilate it without to much hardship or > fear. In another case if a person isn't seeking this and it occurs > they can go straight into fear and that can be amplified and now it > has become a disease or disorder. > > We as five sense beings do not understand very much at all about what > lies beyond the five sense ego controlled reality that we live in. So > anything outside of those parameters is difficult to understand and > assimilate. Nothing is wrong and much can be healthy but without the > context of our five sense physical reality there will most often be fear. > > We are more than our physical bodies. Out of body experiences prove > this. Have one and you will understand. We are also more than our > egos. With Kundalini and some other states we can have an " Out of Ego > Experience " an OOEE so to say. - lol. When this occurs we are > traveling into the areas that are not familiar and yet they are only > unfamiliar to the ego. Think about it. What's left if there is no ego? > > Who are you if you are not you? What are you? I have felt these > questions and the answers that have come to me are that we are that > which has chosen to incarnate. The ego isn't always keeping up in the > conditionings as a physical body may do. For instance people will do > physical yoga far more than emotional yoga. They can become this great > yogi person and still have emotional outbursts. Like a grown man > wearing emotional diapers. This is actually quite common in the > western worlds. > > If we practice in a balanced format we can move away from some of > these imbalances. When we condition towards that which " isn't " from a > place of that which " is " we need to understand in small increments > exactly what that feels like. The person isn't typically thrown into > it with out knowing how to swim. Rather they are given little glimpses > of it and being allowed to adjust and seek information. This is good > but the balancing must still continue. > > Going out of duality or out of the ego requires that we become aware > of ourselves as more than a singularity of consciousness. More than a > duality inside of a singularity. I'm losing you here? > > When we come into areas of expression that are completely different > than what we are used to we must simply allow that reality and its > effects upon us to be the motus operndai of that place. If this means > that you are know longer you as you know it in this reality then there > it is. You are no longer you and yet you are still you in this > reality. Like the OBE you are still connected to this reality due to > the physical context of where your consciousness is living. Your > silver consciousness chord so to say. > > So when you are out there in " no ego land " you will still come back to > the ego expressing person you are used to being but hopefully with > more of a balanced format as you now understand that you are more than > the ego expression you have come to know. > > Depersonalization is merely coming into contact with these states. If > you do it on purpose its a good thing. If you come there without > knowledge or intent it can become the dreaded syndrome or condition or > disease. Anything we do outside of ego control can have some ego > discomfort attached to it. Ego always wants control over any experience. > > Kundalini will take a person into these areas and beyond so heads up > and fasten your seat belts. Keep your hands and arms inside the > vehicle and don't feed the wildlife. It's a new and strange land for > your ego consciousness. It is a well known land for the rest of you. - > Blessings Cuneyt and all and I hope this covered it to some degree. - > chrism > > > --- " M. Cuneyt > Birkok " <birkok@> wrote: > >Dear Chrism > >Would you please comment on " *Depersonalization Disorder " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 @@ As more sufferers of the condition converge on the internet, more common symptoms are also emerging with greater clarity. For instance, D-People seem to be particularly susceptible to the condition when they spend time in fluorescent lighting, like that found in most retail stores. In addition, for most persons, DP seems be strongest in the mornings and progressively better as the day progresses. If they take naps, it can re-emerge with a vengeance. This tells us something about it's relationship to sleep, Janiger says. DP has something to do with regulating sleep and wake patterns, but I haven't seen any studies on this yet. It's odd how so many people refer to it as being in a dream or a dreamlike state, but nobody seems to have looked at how it relates to REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. @@@ This part really resonates, most of my passing out type spells happened while in a store. Also, the part where it stated you feel like a robot at times. I used to intertain that thought a lot, that we are all really just robots programed. Are we programed robots? Linda --- " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > @@@ Going out of duality or out of the ego requires that we become > aware of ourselves as more than a singularity of consciousness. More > than a duality inside of a singularity. I'm losing you here? @@@ > > My mind thought when I read your statement, that we are mutiple > inside of one, like those nesting bowls. Am I lost? Hehe! > > I have experience a few episodes of such, I think. I thought at the > time that I was experiencing temporay amnesia for some unknown > reason, maybe stress. It is totally strange to be standing there and > not know your own name are anything, just a total blank mind for > several minutes. The strange body sensation you have at those times > does feel the same as when you are having an OBE or at least similar. > I just now realized that. The people there at that place of business > had me go set down and relax when I began to panic. I had > definately stepped out, but some " I " was present, hearing them ask my > name and phone number, but " that I " didn't know my name. Hehe! Come > to think of it, back there farther back, when I was having all those > passing out spells, but didn't actually pass out, I had those same > body sensations then, as well. Am I schizo? > > It happened once when I was driving home. I guess one of my other > selves took over the driving, but didn't know were I lived, because > when I came back, I was a couple of miles past my house and did not > know where I was for several minutes. I panic a little bit that time > too. I have little shorts one ever once in a while, but I just take > those to be old age brain farts. > > Linda > > Kundalini-Awakening-Systems- 1 , " chrismming41 " > <chrismming41@> wrote: > > > > Something becomes a " disorder " when it isn't understood and fear is > > allowed into the equation. We respond to the unusual by trying to > fit > > it into specific references and if the references are not easily > > attained and something as personal as the self is involved and out > of > > our " control " then we become afraid and it becomes an illness or > disorder. > > > > Kundalini is like this. It is unusual and fits no common reference > > model. It usurps conscious control away from a person for a time and > > it isn't recognized by our beloved science. So it becomes > a " spiritual > > emergency " or " Kundalini Syndrome " whether it fits the understood > > version of the syndrome or not. > > > > We do not understand the mechanisms of consciousness. We are not > able > > to label and find continuity with a non linear sequence of events > and > > so it causes us fear. When fear and all of its effects upon the body > > and mind are mixed with the qualities of something like Kundalini > then > > the amplification can be quite strong. > > > > Mere meditation can bring on altered states. Depersonalization is > also > > known as ego subduction or losing the ego. In one instance a person > > seeking the Kundalini can seek this and knowing this is the goal > when > > they experience it they can assimilate it without to much hardship > or > > fear. In another case if a person isn't seeking this and it occurs > > they can go straight into fear and that can be amplified and now it > > has become a disease or disorder. > > > > We as five sense beings do not understand very much at all about > what > > lies beyond the five sense ego controlled reality that we live in. > So > > anything outside of those parameters is difficult to understand and > > assimilate. Nothing is wrong and much can be healthy but without the > > context of our five sense physical reality there will most often be > fear. > > > > We are more than our physical bodies. Out of body experiences prove > > this. Have one and you will understand. We are also more than our > > egos. With Kundalini and some other states we can have an " Out of > Ego > > Experience " an OOEE so to say. - lol. When this occurs we are > > traveling into the areas that are not familiar and yet they are only > > unfamiliar to the ego. Think about it. What's left if there is no > ego? > > > > Who are you if you are not you? What are you? I have felt these > > questions and the answers that have come to me are that we are that > > which has chosen to incarnate. The ego isn't always keeping up in > the > > conditionings as a physical body may do. For instance people will do > > physical yoga far more than emotional yoga. They can become this > great > > yogi person and still have emotional outbursts. Like a grown man > > wearing emotional diapers. This is actually quite common in the > > western worlds. > > > > If we practice in a balanced format we can move away from some of > > these imbalances. When we condition towards that which " isn't " from > a > > place of that which " is " we need to understand in small increments > > exactly what that feels like. The person isn't typically thrown into > > it with out knowing how to swim. Rather they are given little > glimpses > > of it and being allowed to adjust and seek information. This is good > > but the balancing must still continue. > > > > Going out of duality or out of the ego requires that we become aware > > of ourselves as more than a singularity of consciousness. More than > a > > duality inside of a singularity. I'm losing you here? > > > > When we come into areas of expression that are completely different > > than what we are used to we must simply allow that reality and its > > effects upon us to be the motus operndai of that place. If this > means > > that you are know longer you as you know it in this reality then > there > > it is. You are no longer you and yet you are still you in this > > reality. Like the OBE you are still connected to this reality due to > > the physical context of where your consciousness is living. Your > > silver consciousness chord so to say. > > > > So when you are out there in " no ego land " you will still come back > to > > the ego expressing person you are used to being but hopefully with > > more of a balanced format as you now understand that you are more > than > > the ego expression you have come to know. > > > > Depersonalization is merely coming into contact with these states. > If > > you do it on purpose its a good thing. If you come there without > > knowledge or intent it can become the dreaded syndrome or condition > or > > disease. Anything we do outside of ego control can have some ego > > discomfort attached to it. Ego always wants control over any > experience. > > > > Kundalini will take a person into these areas and beyond so heads up > > and fasten your seat belts. Keep your hands and arms inside the > > vehicle and don't feed the wildlife. It's a new and strange land for > > your ego consciousness. It is a well known land for the rest of > you. - > > Blessings Cuneyt and all and I hope this covered it to some > degree. - > > chrism > > > > > > --- " M. Cuneyt > > Birkok " <birkok@> wrote: > > >Dear Chrism > > >Would you please comment on " *Depersonalization Disorder " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Thank you for your knowledge.To sum up, if we cognize with our singularity consciousness any thing out of our ego, that shows our other consciousnesses are exploring and perceive their proper realm, there is no problem at all, just recognize and learn. And it is a " Kundalini Syndrome " if we obtain it by our conscious effort and knowledge, otherwise it is a disease. Love and regardsCuneyt 2009/1/20 chrismming41 <chrismming41 Something becomes a " disorder " when it isn't understood and fear is allowed into the equation. We respond to the unusual by trying to fit it into specific references and if the references are not easily attained and something as personal as the self is involved and out of our " control " then we become afraid and it becomes an illness or disorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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