Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I was asked by a fellow Reiki practitioner what the difference is between Kundalini Healing, as we do it on the healing list, and Kundalini Reiki as devised by Ole Gabrielson? In Kundalini Reiki, as he and I have been taught, there are no symbols used, and no asking for help from 'guides' or angels. The Kundalini energy is bought up from the earth through the patients base chakra and up the body and out of the crown, clearing blockages on the way. The way the Kundalini flows in our bodies. I was not able to give an answer to him regarding this method of Reiki but we could both understand how Usui and other forms of Reiki using symbols, guides etc was quite different. The Dakini Reiki which I devised also uses the method of working from the base chakra and is similar to Kundalini Reiki. Can anyone help me understand and be able to give a clear answer to others who may ask me? Blessings, Skydancer x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I am curious to read the answer to this as well. The main difference that sticks out to me when reading your post is that you bring the energy up through the patient's base chakra and with the Kundalini healing group the Kundalin decides what needs to be done. It seems to be healer directed vs. Kundalini/Shakti directed. Sarita , iona winton <ionaskydancer wrote:>> > I was asked by a fellow Reiki practitioner what the difference is between Kundalini Healing, as we do it on the healing list, and Kundalini Reiki as devised by Ole Gabrielson? >  > In Kundalini Reiki, as he and I have been taught, there are no symbols used, and no asking for help from 'guides' or angels. The Kundalini energy is bought up from the earth through the patients base chakra and up the body and out of the crown, clearing blockages on the way. The way the Kundalini flows in our bodies. I was not able to give an answer to him regarding this method of Reiki but we could both understand how Usui and other forms of Reiki using symbols, guides etc was quite different. >  > The Dakini Reiki which I devised also uses the method of working from the base chakra and is similar to Kundalini Reiki.>  > Can anyone help me understand and be able to give a clear answer to others who may ask me?>  > Blessings,> Skydancer x> >  >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009  My understanding is that sprit energy comes from above down when we talk about raising the kundalini we are raising consciousness into a higher platform. energy of the kundalini or holy spirit is expressed and given through the heart centre from the higher centers from spirit we may think of spirit as the spiral energy both words are similar. drawing energy from the earth might be something I need to now though I do not So I let Nerine explain. I offer her being to be welcomed also I have put her on the spot which I believe she will enjoy. John With Magnified Healing, which is the basis of what I do, one begins at the crown (where the roots of the Kundalini are situated), then the energy is brought down all the way to Earthstar chakra (situated about 12'" below the feet), moving slowly and clearing blockages on the way down, then when the Earth connection is made, the energy is brought quickly back upwards (it rushes!) taking all the debris to the violet fire of light, where it is consumed/transformed, simultaneously creating a bridge between heaven and earth. The only symbol used is the five-petaled lotus, Kwan Yin's symbol, or signature if you like, used to affirm and seal. Seichim Reiki starts at the feet also, but I am not sure about symbols used. I have my Master's attunement in Usui Reiki, in addition to other healing modalities, but find that the less rigmarole involved the better the flow. After all, it is the intent to heal that is the most essential ingredient, although if one is offered assistance from spirit it can only help, whether requested or not. Love & Light, Nerine. - iona winton Kundalini Awakening Friday, January 23, 2009 10:16 AM Kundalini Reiki I was asked by a fellow Reiki practitioner what the difference is between Kundalini Healing, as we do it on the healing list, and Kundalini Reiki as devised by Ole Gabrielson? In Kundalini Reiki, as he and I have been taught, there are no symbols used, and no asking for help from 'guides' or angels. The Kundalini energy is bought up from the earth through the patients base chakra and up the body and out of the crown, clearing blockages on the way. The way the Kundalini flows in our bodies. I was not able to give an answer to him regarding this method of Reiki but we could both understand how Usui and other forms of Reiki using symbols, guides etc was quite different. The Dakini Reiki which I devised also uses the method of working from the base chakra and is similar to Kundalini Reiki. Can anyone help me understand and be able to give a clear answer to others who may ask me? Blessings, Skydancer x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 With Kundalini Healing we do not use the clients energy or pathways from a conscious ego point of application. The Kundalini that is used flows " through us from us and from the divine connection within us " as it manifests for us from the awakening process. We do not choose the route or the quality of the application unless given to do so by the conscious Kundalini. We do not trace or activate chakras or energetic pathways. We do not assume ideologies of expectation of where and how the energy should run. Kundalini will pour from us into an individual or a situation. It may set up certain parameters of application through an individual such as when I am being given to apply and direct a healing upon a person. It knows we are working in unison for the benefit of another and that we are learning how to do this as a community of Kundalini activated and awakening individuals. It is an evolutionary process. Kundalini Shakti as it is given and received as an exalted skillset in the various manifestations of that skill set through the person that is in the process of activation and or awakening or preparation there of is how the healing is received and given. Shakti and Kundalini as conscious forms of energetic expression are the healing agents. Our ego's and expectations are not. - These are some of the differences from what was written regarding the Kundalini reiki formats. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 Chrism: I presume that I am awakening and I at least presume that I am not fully awakened. If I want to send healing, should I send it through this prospectus? Thanks, Jake--- On Fri, 1/23/09, chrism <> wrote: <> Re: Kundalini Reiki Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 3:29 PM With Kundalini Healing we do not use the clients energy or pathways .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2009 Report Share Posted January 23, 2009 I have had the K Reiki attunement. Do I have an embedded entity in me doing god knows what? Is this a harmful entity or one that is there for healing and to spread love and foster spiritual development? I did not feel much from the attunement, no feelings of anything moving through me. I do however feel the K reiki energy when I activate it. If I have a " bad " entity in me can I assume that I can get rid of the entity by prayer and willing it away? Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 Hi Rich, I dont know who attuned you, but I doubt very much whether you have an entity of any kind, good or bad, inside you. But others may wish to have their say on this. Blessings, Skydancer x , " Richard Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote: > > I have had the K Reiki attunement. Do I have an embedded entity in me > doing god knows what? Is this a harmful entity or one that is there > for healing and to spread love and foster spiritual development? > > I did not feel much from the attunement, no feelings of anything moving > through me. I do however feel the K reiki energy when I activate it. > > If I have a " bad " entity in me can I assume that I can get rid of the > entity by prayer and willing it away? > > Rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 yes, i agree. i do not feel that i have an entity in me. I do some kind of clearing on a regular basis...but you never know, thought i would get chisms thoughts. rich , " Skydancer " <ionaskydancer wrote: > > Hi Rich, > > I dont know who attuned you, but I doubt very much whether you have > an entity of any kind, good or bad, inside you. But others may wish > to have their say on this. > > Blessings, Skydancer x > > , " Richard > Eisenberg " <Pyaar333@> wrote: > > > > I have had the K Reiki attunement. Do I have an embedded entity in > me > > doing god knows what? Is this a harmful entity or one that is > there > > for healing and to spread love and foster spiritual development? > > > > I did not feel much from the attunement, no feelings of anything > moving > > through me. I do however feel the K reiki energy when I activate > it. > > > > If I have a " bad " entity in me can I assume that I can get rid of > the > > entity by prayer and willing it away? > > > > Rich > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2009 Report Share Posted January 24, 2009 I agree with Skydancer. You do NOT have an entity. Denny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 I do not see the reasoning for your sarcasm Rich. The very fact that you say you feel K reiki energy when you activate it tells me we are not talking about the same thing. I will leave your questions for those who feel pulled to answer them. PS For those who are interested here is the post I wrote that Rich took his questions from: ******** I do not to the efforts of some to attempt the awakening of the Kundalini by virtue of a reiki exposure. I know some have done it this way but it isn't as viable a way as it is advertised by those who would have you purchase an attunement. There is no safe shortcut to Kundalini. Purchasing an attunement or having one gifted to you isn't supported by me or by my experience with reiki. Don't get me wrong Reiki in and of itself is good if the practitioner has that quality. Commercial interests will allow you to twist in the wind that you may order some more of their " therapies " as you suffer from what isn't Kundalini but another common form of energetic illness: An entity incursion into your energetic and physical body. Most Kundalini reiki practitioners do not in actuality have the Kundalini. They have an embedded entity. As they do not understand or know what the Kundalini feels like or it's dynamic upon the body they go with what they do feel which is an entity coursing through the body. Not all but many do have this issue and because of the problems that can ensue I do not support or embrace or in any way encourage people to purchase or receive attunements designed to awaken the Kundalini. Dr. Usui, the founder of reiki, earned his activation. By doing what basically amounts to the " safeties " as described on this site. He helped and served his fellow human being. Most often for free. He meditated for weeks in a cave on the side of a mountain and was willing to stay there until he died if he didn't receive the gift he was searching for. This was what we call Kundalini. He used this force with honor and love in service to others diligently. Not for self aggrandizement. Or commercial interests. I am not labeling all reiki practitioners in a negative light some are very positive love based people. Some have awakened the Kundalini. Most have not. Buyer beware. - , " Richard Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote: > > I have had the K Reiki attunement. Do I have an embedded entity in me > doing god knows what? Is this a harmful entity or one that is there > for healing and to spread love and foster spiritual development? > > I did not feel much from the attunement, no feelings of anything moving > through me. I do however feel the K reiki energy when I activate it. > > If I have a " bad " entity in me can I assume that I can get rid of the > entity by prayer and willing it away? > > Rich > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 This spring a friend did a clearing on me and said I had 18 implants in my third eye which she cleared. I wondered at the time if some of these could be symbols, etc from reiki and similar healing " attunements. " ??? I decided at that time not to have any more attunements. My kundalini started awakening around that time anyway so no need for any other healing modality. I noticed at that time a very distinct difference in the feel of the healing energy running through/from me as it became kundalini healing I've had some sort of healing energy in my hands since around 2000 but it has changed in feel. I originally took reiki just to find out more about how to use this energy in my hands. sharon , " selena230 " <selena230 wrote: > > Kundalini reiki practitioners have an embedded entity? Gosh, this > sounds scary! Do you think this is the case with all reiki practitioners? > > Sel > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > I do not to the efforts of some to attempt the awakening > > of the Kundalini by virtue of a reiki exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 HI chrism, I was thinking about doing a Reiki I attunement - not to awaken Kundalini, just to learn about and practice Reiki... are you saying that this is a bad idea regardless of intention? Best Wishes, Karina , " selena230 " <selena230 wrote: > > Kundalini reiki practitioners have an embedded entity? Gosh, this > sounds scary! Do you think this is the case with all reiki practitioners? > > Sel > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > I do not to the efforts of some to attempt the awakening > > of the Kundalini by virtue of a reiki exposure. I know some have done > > it this way but it isn't as viable a way as it is advertised by those > > who would have you purchase an attunement. > > > > There is no safe shortcut to Kundalini. Purchasing an attunement or > > having one gifted to you isn't supported by me or by my experience > > with reiki. > > > > Don't get me wrong Reiki in and of itself is good if the practitioner > > has that quality. Commercial interests will allow you to twist in the > > wind that you may order some more of their " therapies " as you suffer > > from what isn't Kundalini but another common form of energetic > > illness: > > > > An entity incursion into your energetic and physical body. > > > > Most Kundalini reiki practitioners do not in actuality have the > > Kundalini. They have an embedded entity. As they do not understand or > > know what the Kundalini feels like or it's dynamic upon the body they > > go with what they do feel which is an entity coursing through the > > body. > > > > Not all but many do have this issue and because of the problems that > > can ensue I do not support or embrace or in any way encourage people > > to purchase or receive attunements designed to awaken the Kundalini. > > > > Dr. Usui, the founder of reiki, earned his activation. By doing what > > basically amounts to the " safeties " as described on this site. He > > helped and served his fellow human being. Most often for free. He > > meditated for weeks in a cave on the side of a mountain and was > > willing to stay there until he died if he didn't receive the gift he > > was searching for. This was what we call Kundalini. He used this > > force with honor and love in service to others diligently. Not for > > self aggrandizement. Or commercial interests. > > > > I am not labeling all reiki practitioners in a negative light some > > are very positive love based people. Some have awakened the > > Kundalini. Most have not. Buyer beware. - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I did not mean to be sarcastic…sorry if it came off that way, I was being serious. I was serious when I asked if I had an entity in me. And when called the entity " bad " I only meant that the entity may not be working for my highest good and may in fact be doing me harm. I put the word bad in quotes because ultimately everything is good but we do usually refer to things as good and bad when are helping or hurting us. What I meant when I wrote. " I do however feel the K reiki energy when I activate it. " Is that when I intend to use the energy called " Kundalini Reiki " I feel an energy that is different than what I know regular Reiki to feel like. I have stopped using Reiki and all of the energies that I usually use since I received the K Shaktipat here and was advised to do so. I am however still interested/curious about Reiki and other energies and attunements Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 All, Kundalini Energy as we know is the Life Creative Force or the Holly Ghost Aspect of the Deity. If you ask an esotericist the Holly Ghost would be an expression of the Christ consciousness in matter thus his Light body in form. Others teachings might see it as different expression. If we look at it from polarity prespective, it is the negative pole where Spirit express into matter. When the Spirit is impressed into matter the consciousness rises up to higher level as John said. Thus we have a rising of the consciousness from below to above yet the process is iniciated from above. Workig with the Crown Center and focusing one´s attention to it makes it a positive pole of magnetic attraction which naturally drwas up the energy above. Chris, I might be wrong. When the energy is rised up in the Crown Center,it becomes a negative pole of magnetic attraction to the impressing Will of the Spirit from above thus the consciousness is climing higher frequencies and the body is literally transfigurated.Here, in the Crown, is where the true Kundalini lies as Nerine said and it is the true negative pole. Kundalini Reiki by Ole doesnt uses symbols yes and it moves the energy through the etheric network. Kundalini healing is more focussed on the expression of the energy through you as a vehice and it touches the consciousness aspect as far as I perceive it. In the first place the Will is focused to manipulate etheric matter. In the second, the Will is focused on the Energy as a vehicle of expression of Spirit. You give up ¨yourself¨ through surrender and compassion to become a vehicle of expression. How does this sound skydancer? Ofcourse the above is my understanding and it is a subject of discussion. Namste Angel , " JOHN. M " <john.mathieson1 wrote: > > My understanding is that sprit energy comes from above down > when we talk about raising the kundalini we are raising consciousness into a higher platform. > energy of the kundalini or holy spirit is expressed and given through the heart centre from the higher centers from spirit > we may think of spirit as the spiral energy both words are similar. > drawing energy from the earth might be something I need to now though I do not > So I let Nerine explain. I offer her being to be welcomed also I have put her on the spot which I believe she will enjoy. > John > With Magnified Healing, which is the basis of what I do, one begins at the crown (where the roots of the Kundalini are situated), then the energy is brought down all the way to Earthstar chakra (situated about 12' " below the feet), moving slowly and clearing blockages on the way down, then when the Earth connection is made, the energy is brought quickly back upwards (it rushes!) taking all the debris to the violet fire of light, where it is consumed/transformed, simultaneously creating a bridge between heaven and earth. The only symbol used is the five-petaled lotus, Kwan Yin's symbol, or signature if you like, used to affirm and seal. Seichim Reiki starts at the feet also, but I am not sure about symbols used. I have my Master's attunement in Usui Reiki, in addition to other healing modalities, but find that the less rigmarole involved the better the flow. After all, it is the intent to heal that is the most essential ingredient, although if one is offered assistance from spirit it can only help, whether requested or not. > Love & Light, Nerine. > - > iona winton > Kundalini Awakening > Friday, January 23, 2009 10:16 AM > Kundalini Reiki > > > > I was asked by a fellow Reiki practitioner what the difference is between Kundalini Healing, as we do it on the healing list, and Kundalini Reiki as devised by Ole Gabrielson? > > In Kundalini Reiki, as he and I have been taught, there are no symbols used, and no asking for help from 'guides' or angels. The Kundalini energy is bought up from the earth through the patients base chakra and up the body and out of the crown, clearing blockages on the way. The way the Kundalini flows in our bodies. I was not able to give an answer to him regarding this method of Reiki but we could both understand how Usui and other forms of Reiki using symbols, guides etc was quite different. > > The Dakini Reiki which I devised also uses the method of working from the base chakra and is similar to Kundalini Reiki. > > Can anyone help me understand and be able to give a clear answer to others who may ask me? > > Blessings, > Skydancer x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Angel :-) Kudalini is seated in the highest most active chakra. due to mankind's stage in present evolutionary times the heart is the most safest to purify the centre's below as well as to awaken and stimulate the ones above. spirit comes from above to below, kundalini is consciousness and I believe it is reflective to the experiences focused in and by the heart centre, When healing is of focus the energy flows downwards, this energy is attracted from interdementional etheric space via the sarawara centre as in its male principle, The lower ego is starved of any influx of energy. The heart directed by the higher ego imaged by the agna centre is the director of the flow of energy. As such is working in conjunction with sarraswarra though the function of agna that is acting female. That the female principle is directing energies through to the heart and palms. Though in reiki it is most probably the energy is distributed through by agna from below as a male aspect that reflects more of an double egotistical like presence as the energies are drawn up from below the diaphragm area and that agna is said to be the seat of the higher reflective personality or character aspect Maybe I am only pulling quantum's from the air as I said before I don't know what reiki people do. Maybe they all do something different. When money is taken for payment for either the lower ego below the diaphragm acting as male is fed, As all what money is supposed to be in theory, is that of crystallized energy. John - sarceto Friday, January 30, 2009 9:51 PM Re: Kundalini Reiki All,Kundalini Energy as we know is the Life Creative Force or the Holly Ghost Aspect of the Deity. If you ask an esotericist the Holly Ghost would be an expression of the Christ consciousness in matter thus his Light body in form. Others teachings might see it as different expression.If we look at it from polarity prespective, it is the negative pole where Spirit express into matter. When the Spirit is impressed into matter the consciousness rises up to higher level as John said. Thus we have a rising of the consciousness from below to above yet the process is iniciated from above.Workig with the Crown Center and focusing one´s attention to it makes it a positive pole of magnetic attraction which naturally drwas up the energy above. Chris, I might be wrong.When the energy is rised up in the Crown Center,it becomes a negative pole of magnetic attraction to the impressing Will of the Spirit from above thus the consciousness is climing higher frequencies and the body is literally transfigurated.Here, in the Crown, is where the true Kundalini lies as Nerine said and it is the true negative pole.Kundalini Reiki by Ole doesnt uses symbols yes and it moves the energy through the etheric network. Kundalini healing is more focussed on the expression of the energy through you as a vehice and it touches the consciousness aspect as far as I perceive it. In the first place the Will is focused to manipulate etheric matter.In the second, the Will is focused on the Energy as a vehicle of expression of Spirit. You give up ¨yourself¨ through surrender and compassion to become a vehicle of expression.How does this sound skydancer?Ofcourse the above is my understanding and it is a subject of discussion.NamsteAngel , "JOHN. M" <john.mathieson1 wrote:>> My understanding is that sprit energy comes from above down> when we talk about raising the kundalini we are raising consciousness into a higher platform.> energy of the kundalini or holy spirit is expressed and given through the heart centre from the higher centers from spirit> we may think of spirit as the spiral energy both words are similar.> drawing energy from the earth might be something I need to now though I do not> So I let Nerine explain. I offer her being to be welcomed also I have put her on the spot which I believe she will enjoy.> John> With Magnified Healing, which is the basis of what I do, one begins at the crown (where the roots of the Kundalini are situated), then the energy is brought down all the way to Earthstar chakra (situated about 12'" below the feet), moving slowly and clearing blockages on the way down, then when the Earth connection is made, the energy is brought quickly back upwards (it rushes!) taking all the debris to the violet fire of light, where it is consumed/transformed, simultaneously creating a bridge between heaven and earth. The only symbol used is the five-petaled lotus, Kwan Yin's symbol, or signature if you like, used to affirm and seal. Seichim Reiki starts at the feet also, but I am not sure about symbols used. I have my Master's attunement in Usui Reiki, in addition to other healing modalities, but find that the less rigmarole involved the better the flow. After all, it is the intent to heal that is the most essential ingredient, although if one is offered assistance from spirit it can only help, whether requested or not. > Love & Light, Nerine.> - > iona winton > Kundalini Awakening > Friday, January 23, 2009 10:16 AM> Kundalini Reiki> > > > I was asked by a fellow Reiki practitioner what the difference is between Kundalini Healing, as we do it on the healing list, and Kundalini Reiki as devised by Ole Gabrielson? > > In Kundalini Reiki, as he and I have been taught, there are no symbols used, and no asking for help from 'guides' or angels. The Kundalini energy is bought up from the earth through the patients base chakra and up the body and out of the crown, clearing blockages on the way. The way the Kundalini flows in our bodies. I was not able to give an answer to him regarding this method of Reiki but we could both understand how Usui and other forms of Reiki using symbols, guides etc was quite different. > > The Dakini Reiki which I devised also uses the method of working from the base chakra and is similar to Kundalini Reiki.> > Can anyone help me understand and be able to give a clear answer to others who may ask me?> > Blessings,> Skydancer x> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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