Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 HI all, I had an OBE this morning. I've had a few of them, usually in the morning period of sleep. I normally just float for a while and then wake up. But this morning I was trying to wake myself up and I just couldn't - for what seemed like a minute. It was quite scary at the time, cause I though, " shit what if I'm stuck like this? " How does one wake up from an OBE, when your body doesn't respond to your mind? Best Wishes, Karina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 why are you assuming that an OBE is a dream fabricated by the mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 I assume everything is fabricated from the mind.... - mikael Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:03 PM Re: Out of Body why are you assuming that an OBE is a dream fabricated by the mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 and who is assuming that? the mind that is fabricating everything is assuming that? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Lol no, Its only the brain (intellect) that works on assumption and presumption. The mind just, "IS" We may presume that we have a name or have something or own something or belong to something or not: though the mind does not assume any thing either by assumption or presumption. It does not need to discriminate/criminate or judge, It knows. It is out side any juristictiction, beyond time and space. We with the aid of intellect can only try and fetter it, but cannot. Its is therefore only our souls that becomes fettered. :-) - mikael Monday, February 02, 2009 11:02 AM Re: Out of Body and who is assuming that?the mind that is fabricating everything is assuming that? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 The theory goes this way to what I have read.We are made up of five sheaths - the physical sheet, the pranic (energy) sheet, the intellect, the ego and the soul.The later sheet having more precedence than the former one.It is said that when a person dies he just leaves the physical sheeth and gets another physical sheeth.The experience/karma is what makes the energy, mind and intellect ( better or worse - relative) which move with him from one body to another.However, the soul is infinite - it can neither be worsened nor bettered. { infinity - x= infinity and infinity+x=infinity}Because of karma our first four sheaths get out of state.Ex: Physical sheet problems - eyes/nose/ear problems etc.Pranic sheet - respiratory problemsintellectual problems/ ego problems/mental problems - most familiar to usIt is like trying to see the soul (bottom of a river) from the eyes( through the muddy layers).Once the mud vanishes(cleansing of layers)from the waters, the bottom becomes clear.Hence, in my opinion the soul can and should never change.Please correct me if my understanding is not correct.CheersSkoogleJOHN. M <john.mathieson1 Sent: Monday, 2 February, 2009 8:28:18 AMRe: Re: Out of Body Lol no, Its only the brain (intellect) that works on assumption and presumption. The mind just, "IS" We may presume that we have a name or have something or own something or belong to something or not: though the mind does not assume any thing either by assumption or presumption. It does not need to discriminate/ criminate or judge, It knows. It is out side any juristictiction, beyond time and space. We with the aid of intellect can only try and fetter it, but cannot. Its is therefore only our souls that becomes fettered. :-) - mikael Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Monday, February 02, 2009 11:02 AM [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: Out of Body and who is assuming that?the mind that is fabricating everything is assuming that? lol Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009  There can be a dispute on what is the meaning of soul is. With some they will say that soul means purely physical being such as when one refers to an older person in age, It may also refer to a persons heart as in soul felt or soulful though some will say it is more spiritual than that in that it reflects the attributes of the Sanskrit word jiva, where as old soul represents the amount of times the soul or jiva has passed through incarnations, The latter is more the one I agree with in most instances. though what one might refer to as in spiritual essence is the atma. It is this essence that never changes that remain in meditation with the solar logos or the Christ Consciousness principle, This consciousness to my recognition or understanding is beyond time and space. this is the realm of the akashic records that lay hidden deep inside the secrets of the atomic fractals of crystal nature. In writing this I observe the similarities in the words CRYST and CHRISTAL how interesting that spelling a word a different, the way we may miss the similarities in the possible origins of words. Just the same as in spiral as in dna and spiritual may we as mean as in 12,5 spiral activation. I am sure if either activation to place we would be in Christ consciousness just as much as we would be in crystalline consciousness. There is suppose to be an overlapping time between getting another physical sheath, that suppose to allow for healings of what term as the buddic vehicle. This I have read is carried by a string of three pearls or alike, its been along time since I read about it, this would more than likely belong to the higher three chakras or centre's adjunct to the thyroid, pituitary and pineal glands as these centre's are of the either's. Though still I have not reliesed this myself as yet and because I still see myself in the physical sheaf I accept it to be seven that include earth water fire and air inclusive of the other three. Though I can also understand in theory that these lower four may be created from the higher three either's, that may bring about physical emotional and mental awareness's of a child. So where I see within my imagination 7 different colored crystalline gems on a string, Where as there may only be 3 that make up the budhic vehicle. that carries all information towards the next incarnation. the five elements are actually seven as there are three that are consistent to the ether elementals or akasia In any case it is suppose to be this budhic vehicle that the memory of the soul or jiva is stored between lifetimes. The hurts and pains the disfiguration of the physical body during a lifetimes memories are stored and it takes time for the attma to heal these impressions, Also the attma decides the time to return in that if situations are not right in resolving past karmas. Else the attma will have no attraction in allowing the digression into taking physical form. Not all jivas that pass on relies the significance of Atma. most that are earth bond choose to hang around, some who relies some sort of spiritual status become guides to the living. some suppose to help the newly dead ones onto other planes, Some say death is not attractive as there is no fear of death there is some lack of courtesy between some of the dead. So it is what we do and act like here and now that probably determines what life is like after death. For the average person I have read, it is periods of around 500 years between death and birth. Though some who die without fulfilling there desired karmas may instantly return. Also some that feel the need to help there brother may also return almost straight away, as well as those young souls who have not incarnated as humans often cannot wait to gather experience. Though those of whom are known as Chrystal or indigo children that are said to be born now at a high rate, might not have taken birth since the time of Atlantis. So no I do not believe we have to take on a new physical sheaf's straight away. It is the atmic self, the all in one and the one in all that never changes. Experience on this dimension of jiva is to bring about mindful understanding of the attmic self. We leave ourselves to find ourselves therefore to become creative on a higher turn of the ongoing spiral. I use to listen to a cassette recording from the satchidananda ashram, Satchidananda would sing a mantra of his own making on it; I am not the body not the mind (physical) immortal self I am, immortal self I am, immortal self I am, I am, I am. I am. it got softer as he sang the last I am was as if silent as if to echo it in his students minds. We are not persons! Yet if we wish to believe it; In physical, we are breathing living souls with spiritual aspirations. In love John M - Skoogle Msb Monday, February 02, 2009 2:05 PM Re: Re: Out of Body The theory goes this way to what I have read.We are made up of five sheaths - the physical sheet, the pranic (energy) sheet, the intellect, the ego and the soul.The later sheet having more precedence than the former one.It is said that when a person dies he just leaves the physical sheeth and gets another physical sheeth.The experience/karma is what makes the energy, mind and intellect ( better or worse - relative) which move with him from one body to another.However, the soul is infinite - it can neither be worsened nor bettered. { infinity - x= infinity and infinity+x=infinity}Because of karma our first four sheaths get out of state.Ex: Physical sheet problems - eyes/nose/ear problems etc.Pranic sheet - respiratory problemsintellectual problems/ ego problems/mental problems - most familiar to usIt is like trying to see the soul (bottom of a river) from the eyes( through the muddy layers).Once the mud vanishes(cleansing of layers)from the waters, the bottom becomes clear.Hence, in my opinion the soul can and should never change.Please correct me if my understanding is not correct.CheersSkoogle JOHN. M <john.mathieson1 (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, 2 February, 2009 8:28:18 AMRe: Re: Out of Body Lol no, Its only the brain (intellect) that works on assumption and presumption. The mind just, "IS" We may presume that we have a name or have something or own something or belong to something or not: though the mind does not assume any thing either by assumption or presumption. It does not need to discriminate/ criminate or judge, It knows. It is out side any juristictiction, beyond time and space. We with the aid of intellect can only try and fetter it, but cannot. Its is therefore only our souls that becomes fettered. :-) - mikael Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Monday, February 02, 2009 11:02 AM [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: Out of Body and who is assuming that?the mind that is fabricating everything is assuming that? lol Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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