about reiki - Rich

[Guest guest]

First of all Rich I would like to compliment you on your willingness

to give service to others. This is a very high and noble path and will

serve you well no matter what platform or modality of energies you

engage in.

 

Kundalini is about balance and a refinement of the current life

expression within the five bodies of expression. It is about

transformation into a greater and larger reality of awareness and the

interactions with that reality consciously every day. It is a way of

surrendering the conscious control over our lives and yet still being

able to have the experience of choice as we become more than what we

have become accustomed to in our lives to this point.

 

We are upgraded and blended and integrated into a new and

multi-platformed expressive being. In this process it is necessary to

allow a force of intelligence to infuse your body from within. A force

that is already in you, is natural to you. This is the Kundalini. It

doesnt come from outside of you or from on high or from another being.

It is already yours to have. Waiting for you to begin the journey

towards its expression.

 

In this journey it is important to release the attachments we have on

systems and techniques that may become swept into the infusion causing

an interference with the natural expression of the Kundalini in you.

In many scenarios certain features and phenomena will express upon and

through the individual. Some of these are physical balances and some

of these are balances from other existences. Inside of these balances

are certain experiences given. Kriyas, entities, audio phenomena,

dismemberments, extremely strong energetic rushes, Ecstatic bliss and

seizures of emotion. Extreme joy, extreme fear and many of the

spectrum of experiences between those expressions.

 

It is literally enough to make a person somewhat crazy if they do not

know what is happening and it occurs at a velocity that is often

unpredictable and outside of our mental and emotional control

mechanisms. Even so this is a natural energy with us. This is an

upgrade into an enlightened expression.

 

When another system is mixed into this matrix one that is of human

mental origin. The experiences can short circuit into pathways of

expression and experience that are very traumatic. Entities for

example can literally cover you and bite at you and chew on you and

claw you and hit and kick and scream at you all of the time twenty

four seven.

 

The fear from this interaction can become so intense and so strong

that its reality will become the predominant reality in your life

experience. In many cases one will no longer be able to function in

society due to the mixing of techniques and systems that are not

compatible with the Kundalini agenda.

 

There are many other similar situations that can arise from the mixing

of other modalities with the Kundalini. Burning of the endocrine

system is another severe phenomena that can occur. One doesnt live

long with out an endocrine system.

 

Kundalini can be a very dangerous path. Kundalini Syndrome is nothing

to laugh at and the damage to a person can be physical as well as

mental and emotional. This is what happened to me. This is why this

group was started. Kundalini is fraught with pitfalls that an unaware

person can fall into and so I have found it best to just do as it

wants you to do while it is strongly expressive and in its

transformation of you. This means letting go of techniques and systems

of belief and activity that will impede its agenda upon you. This is

why I strongly urge people to go only with the Kundalini and its

agenda upon you. - blessings Rich. - chrism

 

, " Richard

Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote:

>OK Chrisim if you suggest that we do one or the other, Reiki or

> Kundalini, then fine I will " do " only Kundalini.

>

[Guest guest]

Great answer, thank you.

 

Still, one more question…I often have " just one more question "

 

Any danger in my using Reiki or other energies for others?

 

 

 

I have chosen Kundalini for myself but others have not chosen K. At

this time I imagine that Reiki or some other energy may be just what

someone needs at a given time in their lives. When people come to me

for bodywork/healing might it be that Reiki is what they need?

 

This might sound as if I am a great Reiki fan arguing to use Reiki, I

am not. Reiki is a nice healing energy but is not the last word in

energy healing or spiritual development. I have been attuned to many

energies, I will not list them all, often when working with others I

feel drawn to use one of them. I view them as tools in my tool box.

Sometime I will use Reiki other times another energy and other times

other techniques.

 

(I assume that I need to choose between Reiki, Drisana or Kundalini

for a given person at a specific time and ask for only one of them.

Or if I feel Kundalini working I would not mix it anything else.)

 

Rich

[Guest guest]

I want to offer a thought about your warnings here. You warn about

the interactions of our belief systems, and the impact they can have

upon our experience of reality. I think it is important for people to

realize the very literal and serious import of your words. I come

from a highly scientific viewpoint in life, with brief and insightful

encounters with many major religions. I have learned much, but not

felt compelled by any.

 

There is a fundamental fact that we all share here. We all search for

spiritual truth in some way. I would like to accept it as fact that

everyone here understands spiritual phenomena to be a layer of reality

not yet contemplated seriously by the scientific foundation. All

evidence of spirituality available today in our world speaks of the

reality that transcends modern pharmacology and psychiatrists (though

they are so beneficial to our spiritual well being at most times). We

are dealing with a reality that it is possible for us to perceive, and

that upon treading this path for any length of time you will perceive

at one level or another. As befits our needs

 

My logical conclusions from my life experiences point to every path

being valid as long as the intent is awakening. A rising up. Every

major spiritual path that has been taken by our species leads to the

same point. The physiological reality that we must consider foremost

is the body. This is because of the simple fact that by now we should

all know, our emotions deeply affect our bodies. Love, sadness,

laughter, crying.

 

So what happens to your body when you begin perceiving realities that

are not necessarily evident in our space-time section of reality? You

hear voices, you feel " attacks " etc. This is a very serious concept

to consider. I believe the true answer lies in the contemplation of

perception. The very way in which we perceive a situation

fundamentally affects our intentions regarding the situation itself.

 

One truth I have found (my individual perception) is that our feelings

are the true indicators of intention. These feelings are tied to our

emotions. These emotions affect our body, and vice versa!! That is

the ultimate joke I think sometimes a cruel joke, but I like the

humor of it best! We tend to forget that our bodies can have as tight

a grip on our feelings as our feelings have on the body. The essence

of my truth is an metaphor: if you perceive something from a fearful

perspective then that " object " you are perceiving will appear more

fearful or dangerous. If you perceive something from a loving

perspective then that " object " will appear more loving or kind.

 

I have thought about this so much because of my own mild brushes with

experiential spiritual reality. I have felt joy, and I have felt

fear. However, I can not say how well I would have fared if my most

fearful experiences were accompanied by such realistic and intense

phenomena.

 

The reality of the phenomenal possibility exists (this I take for

granted as a belief for any spiritual seeker), and our perceptions

happen to greatly affect the reality we perceive... (paradox, mind

bender). My point is that we can easily fool ourselves about the

nature of whatever reality we are perceiving. If something intends us

no harm, yet we send it fearful energy (emotions) then not only are we

likely to confuse something we do not understand with a fear; but we

may even affect the intentions of this other reality we are seeing.

 

As for mixing modalities I have no in depth experience with doing so,

thus I can not make recommendations.

 

I offer this final lengthy quote I've come across on the net as a

clear synopsis of what I am trying to say with my ramblings

 

" For me, spiritual practices are never so much a matter of following

strict regimens, as they are an opportunity for exploration and

discovery. In meditation for instance, it was difficult for me to

apply fixed procedures according to a. set regimen. The procedures

themselves always seem to get in the way. Ideology becomes its own

trap. This is why my preference has always been self guidance and

flexible technique. Intent in this regard is very critical. All

spiritual practices are only as effective as the Intent with which

they are employed. With this knowledge, one may simply use intent and

a knowledge of basic principles, (natural laws) while employing very

few procedures at all, and make maximum inner progress. Through

applied principles and intention then, I have been able to make inner

progress toward greater clarity, self realization and higher vibration. "

 

Personal belief systems by default affect our intentions. That is

part of being a conscious being. Tying ourselves to a personal belief

system that has ever been " affected " by more than one single person

(single meaning just you!) automatically makes us susceptible to the

intentions of others. Make clear your intentions, and prepare

yourselves for possible meetings with the friendly and possibly

unfriendly alike. I like the advice to keep your emotions loving.

This increases the love and will help you find the nicest possible

beings to hang out with

 

If you made it this far, I thank you for reading! Blessings to you.

Chrism, this is a rambling train of thought that I have tried to yoke

into a coherent structure. Let me know if it should go out, or any

improvements I might make.

 

-Gabriel

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> First of all Rich I would like to compliment you on your willingness

> to give service to others. This is a very high and noble path and will

> serve you well no matter what platform or modality of energies you

> engage in.

>

> Kundalini is about balance and a refinement of the current life

> expression within the five bodies of expression. It is about

> transformation into a greater and larger reality of awareness and the

> interactions with that reality consciously every day. It is a way of

> surrendering the conscious control over our lives and yet still being

> able to have the experience of choice as we become more than what we

> have become accustomed to in our lives to this point.

>

> We are upgraded and blended and integrated into a new and

> multi-platformed expressive being. In this process it is necessary to

> allow a force of intelligence to infuse your body from within. A force

> that is already in you, is natural to you. This is the Kundalini. It

> doesnt come from outside of you or from on high or from another being.

> It is already yours to have. Waiting for you to begin the journey

> towards its expression.

>

> In this journey it is important to release the attachments we have on

> systems and techniques that may become swept into the infusion causing

> an interference with the natural expression of the Kundalini in you.

> In many scenarios certain features and phenomena will express upon and

> through the individual. Some of these are physical balances and some

> of these are balances from other existences. Inside of these balances

> are certain experiences given. Kriyas, entities, audio phenomena,

> dismemberments, extremely strong energetic rushes, Ecstatic bliss and

> seizures of emotion. Extreme joy, extreme fear and many of the

> spectrum of experiences between those expressions.

>

> It is literally enough to make a person somewhat crazy if they do not

> know what is happening and it occurs at a velocity that is often

> unpredictable and outside of our mental and emotional control

> mechanisms. Even so this is a natural energy with us. This is an

> upgrade into an enlightened expression.

>

> When another system is mixed into this matrix one that is of human

> mental origin. The experiences can short circuit into pathways of

> expression and experience that are very traumatic. Entities for

> example can literally cover you and bite at you and chew on you and

> claw you and hit and kick and scream at you all of the time twenty

> four seven.

>

> The fear from this interaction can become so intense and so strong

> that its reality will become the predominant reality in your life

> experience. In many cases one will no longer be able to function in

> society due to the mixing of techniques and systems that are not

> compatible with the Kundalini agenda.

>

> There are many other similar situations that can arise from the mixing

> of other modalities with the Kundalini. Burning of the endocrine

> system is another severe phenomena that can occur. One doesnt live

> long with out an endocrine system.

>

> Kundalini can be a very dangerous path. Kundalini Syndrome is nothing

> to laugh at and the damage to a person can be physical as well as

> mental and emotional. This is what happened to me. This is why this

> group was started. Kundalini is fraught with pitfalls that an unaware

> person can fall into and so I have found it best to just do as it

> wants you to do while it is strongly expressive and in its

> transformation of you. This means letting go of techniques and systems

> of belief and activity that will impede its agenda upon you. This is

> why I strongly urge people to go only with the Kundalini and its

> agenda upon you. - blessings Rich. - chrism

>

> , " Richard

> Eisenberg " <Pyaar333@> wrote:

> >OK Chrisim if you suggest that we do one or the other, Reiki or

> > Kundalini, then fine I will " do " only Kundalini.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Gabriel, that is a keeper for my files. Thanks for sharing

it.

 

Linda

 

 

 

, " strider200142 "

<gabriel wrote:

>

> I want to offer a thought about your warnings here. You warn about

> the interactions of our belief systems, and the impact they can have

> upon our experience of reality. I think it is important for people

to

> realize the very literal and serious import of your words. I come

> from a highly scientific viewpoint in life, with brief and

insightful

> encounters with many major religions. I have learned much, but not

> felt compelled by any.

>

> There is a fundamental fact that we all share here. We all search

for

> spiritual truth in some way. I would like to accept it as fact that

> everyone here understands spiritual phenomena to be a layer of

reality

> not yet contemplated seriously by the scientific foundation. All

> evidence of spirituality available today in our world speaks of the

> reality that transcends modern pharmacology and psychiatrists

(though

> they are so beneficial to our spiritual well being at most times).

We

> are dealing with a reality that it is possible for us to perceive,

and

> that upon treading this path for any length of time you will

perceive

> at one level or another. As befits our needs

>

> My logical conclusions from my life experiences point to every path

> being valid as long as the intent is awakening. A rising up. Every

> major spiritual path that has been taken by our species leads to the

> same point. The physiological reality that we must consider

foremost

> is the body. This is because of the simple fact that by now we

should

> all know, our emotions deeply affect our bodies. Love, sadness,

> laughter, crying.

>

> So what happens to your body when you begin perceiving realities

that

> are not necessarily evident in our space-time section of reality?

You

> hear voices, you feel " attacks " etc. This is a very serious concept

> to consider. I believe the true answer lies in the contemplation of

> perception. The very way in which we perceive a situation

> fundamentally affects our intentions regarding the situation itself.

>

> One truth I have found (my individual perception) is that our

feelings

> are the true indicators of intention. These feelings are tied to

our

> emotions. These emotions affect our body, and vice versa!! That is

> the ultimate joke I think sometimes a cruel joke, but I like the

> humor of it best! We tend to forget that our bodies can have as

tight

> a grip on our feelings as our feelings have on the body. The

essence

> of my truth is an metaphor: if you perceive something from a

fearful

> perspective then that " object " you are perceiving will appear more

> fearful or dangerous. If you perceive something from a loving

> perspective then that " object " will appear more loving or kind.

>

> I have thought about this so much because of my own mild brushes

with

> experiential spiritual reality. I have felt joy, and I have felt

> fear. However, I can not say how well I would have fared if my most

> fearful experiences were accompanied by such realistic and intense

> phenomena.

>

> The reality of the phenomenal possibility exists (this I take for

> granted as a belief for any spiritual seeker), and our perceptions

> happen to greatly affect the reality we perceive... (paradox, mind

> bender). My point is that we can easily fool ourselves about the

> nature of whatever reality we are perceiving. If something intends

us

> no harm, yet we send it fearful energy (emotions) then not only are

we

> likely to confuse something we do not understand with a fear; but we

> may even affect the intentions of this other reality we are seeing.

>

> As for mixing modalities I have no in depth experience with doing

so,

> thus I can not make recommendations.

>

> I offer this final lengthy quote I've come across on the net as a

> clear synopsis of what I am trying to say with my ramblings

>

> " For me, spiritual practices are never so much a matter of following

> strict regimens, as they are an opportunity for exploration and

> discovery. In meditation for instance, it was difficult for me to

> apply fixed procedures according to a. set regimen. The

procedures

> themselves always seem to get in the way. Ideology becomes its own

> trap. This is why my preference has always been self guidance and

> flexible technique. Intent in this regard is very critical. All

> spiritual practices are only as effective as the Intent with which

> they are employed. With this knowledge, one may simply use intent

and

> a knowledge of basic principles, (natural laws) while employing very

> few procedures at all, and make maximum inner progress. Through

> applied principles and intention then, I have been able to make

inner

> progress toward greater clarity, self realization and higher

vibration. "

>

> Personal belief systems by default affect our intentions. That is

> part of being a conscious being. Tying ourselves to a personal

belief

> system that has ever been " affected " by more than one single person

> (single meaning just you!) automatically makes us susceptible to the

> intentions of others. Make clear your intentions, and prepare

> yourselves for possible meetings with the friendly and possibly

> unfriendly alike. I like the advice to keep your emotions loving.

> This increases the love and will help you find the nicest possible

> beings to hang out with

>

> If you made it this far, I thank you for reading! Blessings to you.

> Chrism, this is a rambling train of thought that I have tried to

yoke

> into a coherent structure. Let me know if it should go out, or any

> improvements I might make.

>

> -Gabriel

>

> , " chrism "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > First of all Rich I would like to compliment you on your

willingness

> > to give service to others. This is a very high and noble path and

will

> > serve you well no matter what platform or modality of energies you

> > engage in.

> >

> > Kundalini is about balance and a refinement of the current life

> > expression within the five bodies of expression. It is about

> > transformation into a greater and larger reality of awareness and

the

> > interactions with that reality consciously every day. It is a way

of

> > surrendering the conscious control over our lives and yet still

being

> > able to have the experience of choice as we become more than what

we

> > have become accustomed to in our lives to this point.

> >

> > We are upgraded and blended and integrated into a new and

> > multi-platformed expressive being. In this process it is

necessary to

> > allow a force of intelligence to infuse your body from within. A

force

> > that is already in you, is natural to you. This is the Kundalini.

It

> > doesnt come from outside of you or from on high or from another

being.

> > It is already yours to have. Waiting for you to begin the journey

> > towards its expression.

> >

> > In this journey it is important to release the attachments we

have on

> > systems and techniques that may become swept into the infusion

causing

> > an interference with the natural expression of the Kundalini in

you.

> > In many scenarios certain features and phenomena will express

upon and

> > through the individual. Some of these are physical balances and

some

> > of these are balances from other existences. Inside of these

balances

> > are certain experiences given. Kriyas, entities, audio phenomena,

> > dismemberments, extremely strong energetic rushes, Ecstatic bliss

and

> > seizures of emotion. Extreme joy, extreme fear and many of the

> > spectrum of experiences between those expressions.

> >

> > It is literally enough to make a person somewhat crazy if they do

not

> > know what is happening and it occurs at a velocity that is often

> > unpredictable and outside of our mental and emotional control

> > mechanisms. Even so this is a natural energy with us. This is an

> > upgrade into an enlightened expression.

> >

> > When another system is mixed into this matrix one that is of human

> > mental origin. The experiences can short circuit into pathways of

> > expression and experience that are very traumatic. Entities for

> > example can literally cover you and bite at you and chew on you

and

> > claw you and hit and kick and scream at you all of the time twenty

> > four seven.

> >

> > The fear from this interaction can become so intense and so strong

> > that its reality will become the predominant reality in your life

> > experience. In many cases one will no longer be able to function

in

> > society due to the mixing of techniques and systems that are not

> > compatible with the Kundalini agenda.

> >

> > There are many other similar situations that can arise from the

mixing

> > of other modalities with the Kundalini. Burning of the endocrine

> > system is another severe phenomena that can occur. One doesnt live

> > long with out an endocrine system.

> >

> > Kundalini can be a very dangerous path. Kundalini Syndrome is

nothing

> > to laugh at and the damage to a person can be physical as well as

> > mental and emotional. This is what happened to me. This is why

this

> > group was started. Kundalini is fraught with pitfalls that an

unaware

> > person can fall into and so I have found it best to just do as it

> > wants you to do while it is strongly expressive and in its

> > transformation of you. This means letting go of techniques and

systems

> > of belief and activity that will impede its agenda upon you. This

is

> > why I strongly urge people to go only with the Kundalini and its

> > agenda upon you. - blessings Rich. - chrism

> >

> > , " Richard

> > Eisenberg " <Pyaar333@> wrote:

> > >OK Chrisim if you suggest that we do one or the other, Reiki or

> > > Kundalini, then fine I will " do " only Kundalini.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for saying so Linda.

 

Hey, looking at the title of your response online in the " messages "

page I saw words that weren't actually in the words.

 

What I saw, the last part of your message: " ...Thanks for sharing it.

Linda ... to ... insightful ... for ... reality ... (though ... We ...

and ... ... "

 

And that is where it cuts off. Do you see that on the messages page?

If so, where are those words coming from?

 

-Gabriel

 

PS: I am paranoid with electronics. They seem to " fool " me in some

ways :\

 

, " Linda "

<crazycats711 wrote:

>

> Thank you Gabriel, that is a keeper for my files. Thanks for sharing

> it.

>

> Linda

[Guest guest]

Yes, I read online too and it shows those words after my reply. I

don't know where the words came from, but it is a cool messages. LOL!

I have notice words like that before and wondered about them, just

something does I guess.

 

I get paranoid with electronics, too. LOL! They make strange sounds

sometimes, but they seem to be OK! Sometimes I have to lay hands

on them for a healing. hehe!

 

Linda

 

, " strider200142 "

<gabriel wrote:

>

> Thank you for saying so Linda.

>

> Hey, looking at the title of your response online in the " messages "

> page I saw words that weren't actually in the words.

>

> What I saw, the last part of your message: " ...Thanks for sharing

it.

> Linda ... to ... insightful ... for ... reality ... (though ...

We ...

> and ... ... "

>

> And that is where it cuts off. Do you see that on the messages

page?

> If so, where are those words coming from?

>

> -Gabriel

>

> PS: I am paranoid with electronics. They seem to " fool " me in some

> ways :\

>

> , " Linda "

> <crazycats711@> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you Gabriel, that is a keeper for my files. Thanks for

sharing

> > it.

> >

> > Linda

>