Hypnotism, Hypnosis, by Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, H.P. Blavatsky

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Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a sort of psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by an aesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often subjected to it; a negative psychological effect ensues that in time deranges the brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory of another's consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the miracles performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda)

 

Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda mentions hypnosis in his commentaries, "think of the mind like a team of wild horses, and rather than controlling them through muscular strength and taking hold of the reins, you ask another to hit them on the head to stun them into a submissive state for a short period of time. Each time another stuns the horses into submission the person loses an amount of their own mental energy. From continued regular sessions of hypnosis from another person, entering into this docile state, instead of gaining power and better control, the mind can become a shapeless powerless mass eventually leading to the mental asylum."

 

 

Madam H. P. Blavatsky. XII(p.565

A good clairvoyant moreover, if he had an opportunity of seeing aYogi in the trance state and a mesmerized subject, side by side, would learn an important Quaternary disappear entirely. Neither Red, Green, Red-Violet nor the Auric Blue of the Body are to be seen; nothing but hardly perceptible vibrations of the golden-hued Prana principle and a violet flame streaked with gold rushing upwards from the head, in the region where the Third Eye rests, and culminating in a point. ....

On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced hypnotic or mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of conscious Black Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole set of the principles will be present, with the Higher Manas paralyzed. Buddhi severed from it through that paralysis, and the red-violet Astral Body entirely subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama-Rupa. (the green and red animal monsters in us.)

 

Buddhi is Sanskrit for intellect

Manas is Sanskrit for mind

Kama-Rupa is Sanskrit *H.P.B. uses the term kama-rupa in the two senses: one, for the imbodied personal man, and two, for the astral entity of the man after death.

 

Jezzwhizz/Jeremy's take…

Basically the ajna chakra is stunned in hypnosis. The lower charkas are over stimulated leading to glamour and illusion. (This is how hallucinations are produced by the stage hypnotist) It is from meditation that wakes us up from the hypnotic trance that we are already in! (In my opinion) This is such a vast and extremely controversial subject, yet above the three masters Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, and Madam H. P. Blavatsky all appear to be singing from the same or similar hymn sheet.

 

Satchitanada~jeremy

[Guest guest]

Excellent research and prognosis Satchidananda

 

Thank you.

John. M

 

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jezzwhizz

Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:59 AM

Hypnotism, Hypnosis, by Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, H.P. Blavatsky

 

 

 

Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a sort of psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by an aesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often subjected to it; a negative psychological effect ensues that in time deranges the brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory of another's consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the miracles performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda)

 

Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda mentions hypnosis in his commentaries, "think of the mind like a team of wild horses, and rather than controlling them through muscular strength and taking hold of the reins, you ask another to hit them on the head to stun them into a submissive state for a short period of time. Each time another stuns the horses into submission the person loses an amount of their own mental energy. From continued regular sessions of hypnosis from another person, entering into this docile state, instead of gaining power and better control, the mind can become a shapeless powerless mass eventually leading to the mental asylum."

 

 

Madam H. P. Blavatsky. XII(p.565

A good clairvoyant moreover, if he had an opportunity of seeing aYogi in the trance state and a mesmerized subject, side by side, would learn an important Quaternary disappear entirely. Neither Red, Green, Red-Violet nor the Auric Blue of the Body are to be seen; nothing but hardly perceptible vibrations of the golden-hued Prana principle and a violet flame streaked with gold rushing upwards from the head, in the region where the Third Eye rests, and culminating in a point. ....

On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced hypnotic or mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of conscious Black Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole set of the principles will be present, with the Higher Manas paralyzed. Buddhi severed from it through that paralysis, and the red-violet Astral Body entirely subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama-Rupa. (the green and red animal monsters in us.)

 

Buddhi is Sanskrit for intellect

Manas is Sanskrit for mind

Kama-Rupa is Sanskrit *H.P.B. uses the term kama-rupa in the two senses: one, for the imbodied personal man, and two, for the astral entity of the man after death.

 

Jezzwhizz/Jeremy's take…

Basically the ajna chakra is stunned in hypnosis. The lower charkas are over stimulated leading to glamour and illusion. (This is how hallucinations are produced by the stage hypnotist) It is from meditation that wakes us up from the hypnotic trance that we are already in! (In my opinion) This is such a vast and extremely controversial subject, yet above the three masters Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, and Madam H. P. Blavatsky all appear to be singing from the same or similar hymn sheet.

 

Satchitanada~jeremy

[Guest guest]

What a bunch of non-sense!

 

There is almost no difference between a trance, meditation,

visualization, the hypnotic state, being very relaxed and

daydreaming. They are all so similar that the differences are not

worth writing about.

 

If one of them damages you then they all do.

 

All hypnosis is is a trance. While in this trance the hypnotist

offers you suggestions such as, " stop smoking now…it is easy and

natural to stop….cigarettes taste bad…etc " This does not, " derange

the brain cells " , stun them(people) into a submissive state " and

nothing is done to the chakras that is not done when you meditate or

day dream. The ajna chakra is NOT stunned in hypnosis. The lower

charkas are NOT over stimulated leading to glamour and illusion.

 

The hypnotist does not steal your soul or your will, control your

mind or rearrange your brain cells.

 

If hypnosis is dangerous then meditation and day dreaming are just as

dangerous and we should never do them.

 

Rich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " jezzwhizz "

<jezzwhizz wrote:

>

>

> Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a sort

of

> psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by an

> aesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often subjected

to

> it; a negative psychological effect ensues that in time deranges the

> brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory of another's

> consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with

the

> miracles performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a

> Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda)

>

>

>

> Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda mentions hypnosis in his

commentaries,

> " think of the mind like a team of wild horses, and rather than

> controlling them through muscular strength and taking hold of the

reins,

> you ask another to hit them on the head to stun them into a

submissive

> state for a short period of time. Each time another stuns the horses

> into submission the person loses an amount of their own mental

energy.

> From continued regular sessions of hypnosis from another person,

> entering into this docile state, instead of gaining power and better

> control, the mind can become a shapeless powerless mass eventually

> leading to the mental asylum. "

>

>

>

>

>

> Madam H. P. Blavatsky. XII(p.565

>

> A good clairvoyant moreover, if he had an opportunity of seeing

aYogi in

> the trance state and a mesmerized subject, side by side, would

learn an

> important Quaternary disappear entirely. Neither Red, Green, Red-

Violet

> nor the Auric Blue of the Body are to be seen; nothing but hardly

> perceptible vibrations of the golden-hued Prana principle and a

violet

> flame streaked with gold rushing upwards from the head, in the

region

> where the Third Eye rests, and culminating in a point. ....

>

> On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced

hypnotic or

> mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of conscious

Black

> Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole set of the

principles

> will be present, with the Higher Manas paralyzed. Buddhi severed

from it

> through that paralysis, and the red-violet Astral Body entirely

> subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama-Rupa. (the green and red

animal

> monsters in us.)

>

>

>

> Buddhi is Sanskrit for intellect

>

> Manas is Sanskrit for mind

>

> Kama-Rupa is Sanskrit *H.P.B. uses the term kama-rupa in the two

> senses: one, for the imbodied personal man, and two, for the astral

> entity of the man after death.

>

>

>

> Jezzwhizz/Jeremy's take…

>

> Basically the ajna chakra is stunned in hypnosis. The lower charkas

are

> over stimulated leading to glamour and illusion. (This is how

> hallucinations are produced by the stage hypnotist) It is from

> meditation that wakes us up from the hypnotic trance that we are

already

> in! (In my opinion) This is such a vast and extremely controversial

> subject, yet above the three masters Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami

> Vivekananda, and Madam H. P. Blavatsky all appear to be singing

from the

> same or similar hymn sheet.

>

>

>

> Satchitanada~jeremy

>

[Guest guest]

Richard

Immediate results like in taking a pill to dissolve unhappiness is not the answer L, S, D, and other D R @ G S also put the subject into a trance. Hypnotist do not generally take the persons karma into consideration nor do they realize smoking tobacco may be needed for certain personal experiences to take place, If one is addicted to a substance and is made to dislike it what is the new addiction to take place once the correct quantity of peptides are not found. when one is subjective to another the mind does not stop the causual mind becomes very active. This part of the brain is what children have to learn from that pick up things in the smallest of detail, If the hypnotist is not clear of heart on all levels so it is dangerous that the client may draw information in the form symbols that is left on the akaisic register, Only to cause karma that is needed to be expressed at a latter date.

 

Though then I suppose that is ok to, just as children with ADHD are also given substances to control there over activity though have trouble in latter life, Though once upon a time a strap and whip would work, just the same as hypnosis could.

Once a young brain is able to discern from right and wrong and grows into adult hood one should develop suggestive techniques for themselves through lessons that are in coherant aspect of one own path in life which is not to be interfered with by others.

 

We are here on the kundalini group not to suppress the mental process, we are here to come to understand ourselves and the phenomenon we call mind. this happens in meditation through the grace of love, What understanding do we achieve by placing ourselves under another's will?

 

John.M

 

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Richard Eisenberg

Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:38 AM

Re: Hypnotism, Hypnosis, by Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, H.P. Blavatsky

 

 

What a bunch of non-sense!There is almost no difference between a trance, meditation, visualization, the hypnotic state, being very relaxed and daydreaming. They are all so similar that the differences are not worth writing about.If one of them damages you then they all do.All hypnosis is is a trance. While in this trance the hypnotist offers you suggestions such as, "stop smoking now…it is easy and natural to stop….cigarettes taste bad…etc" This does not, " derange the brain cells", stun them(people) into a submissive state" and nothing is done to the chakras that is not done when you meditate or day dream. The ajna chakra is NOT stunned in hypnosis. The lower charkas are NOT over stimulated leading to glamour and illusion.The hypnotist does not steal your soul or your will, control your mind or rearrange your brain cells. If hypnosis is dangerous then meditation and day dreaming are just as dangerous and we should never do them.Rich , "jezzwhizz" <jezzwhizz wrote:>> > Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a sort of> psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by an> aesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often subjected to> it; a negative psychological effect ensues that in time deranges the> brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory of another's> consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the> miracles performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a> Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda)> > > > Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda mentions hypnosis in his commentaries,> "think of the mind like a team of wild horses, and rather than> controlling them through muscular strength and taking hold of the reins,> you ask another to hit them on the head to stun them into a submissive> state for a short period of time. Each time another stuns the horses> into submission the person loses an amount of their own mental energy.> From continued regular sessions of hypnosis from another person,> entering into this docile state, instead of gaining power and better> control, the mind can become a shapeless powerless mass eventually> leading to the mental asylum."> > > > > > Madam H. P. Blavatsky. XII(p.565> > A good clairvoyant moreover, if he had an opportunity of seeing aYogi in> the trance state and a mesmerized subject, side by side, would learn an> important Quaternary disappear entirely. Neither Red, Green, Red-Violet> nor the Auric Blue of the Body are to be seen; nothing but hardly> perceptible vibrations of the golden-hued Prana principle and a violet> flame streaked with gold rushing upwards from the head, in the region> where the Third Eye rests, and culminating in a point. ....> > On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced hypnotic or> mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of conscious Black> Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole set of the principles> will be present, with the Higher Manas paralyzed. Buddhi severed from it> through that paralysis, and the red-violet Astral Body entirely> subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama-Rupa. (the green and red animal> monsters in us.)> > > > Buddhi is Sanskrit for intellect> > Manas is Sanskrit for mind> > Kama-Rupa is Sanskrit *H.P.B. uses the term kama-rupa in the two> senses: one, for the imbodied personal man, and two, for the astral> entity of the man after death.> > > > Jezzwhizz/Jeremy's take…> > Basically the ajna chakra is stunned in hypnosis. The lower charkas are> over stimulated leading to glamour and illusion. (This is how> hallucinations are produced by the stage hypnotist) It is from> meditation that wakes us up from the hypnotic trance that we are already> in! (In my opinion) This is such a vast and extremely controversial> subject, yet above the three masters Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami> Vivekananda, and Madam H. P. Blavatsky all appear to be singing from the> same or similar hymn sheet.> > > > Satchitanada~jeremy>

[Guest guest]

Long post…I have a lot to say on the subject

 

Yes

What you wrote makes a whole lot more sense than claiming that

hypnosis damages brain cells or chakras or other such nonsense.

 

Yes

A good hypnotist should consider the side affects of stopping a

habit/behavior.

 

The Karma issue is difficult to access. A hypnotist may interfere

with a person's karma or it may be a person's karma to learn from and

be helped by a hypnotist. It is difficult to say.

 

Comparing hypnosis to a strap and whip is really not fair. Hypnosis

is a way to help people strengthen their belief, firm up their

resolve, give them abilities that they are already trying to have.

Hypnosis is just helping people along with something that they want

but are struggling to have. it is a peaceful and suportive form of

therapy

 

Example (and to get back to the question….will hypnosis help with K

syndrome)

 

This is copied from my earlier post,

 

" If hypnosis can help you to surrender more deeply and stop

resisting….if resisting is causing you to suffer….then it is good.

But is you want to use hypnosis to stop K Shakti from doing her thing

then you are trying to interfere with the K process, that may not be

good.

 

Hypnotic suggestions such as;

Everything is perfect right now, even if your ego does not

like it

You life is perfect even if your ego does not like it

Kundalini is helping you through this

Trust your process…it leads to enlightenment

Accept and surrender to your fear…now "

 

 

Suggestions such as the above may help develop tolerance and

surrender and a certain level of peace of mind within a very un-

peaceful process.

 

Craig is struggling with the ups and downs of K and has been advised

to " surrender to it " If hypnosis can help with the surrender then it

is good. If a really bad hypnotist who does not know what they are

doing tries to stop the K process then I would have to agree that it

is bad.

 

 

OK, also you wrote,

 

" We are here on the kundalini group not to suppress the mental

process, we are here to come to understand ourselves and the

phenomenon we call mind. this happens in meditation through the grace

of love, What understanding do we achieve by placing ourselves under

another's will? "

 

Hypnosis does not place one under another's will. People still have

free will. Also if a person comes to me and is trying to stop

smoking, asks me help them stop smoking and give them a hypnotic

suggestion such as, " stop smoking " how does that interfere with there

will?....it does not.

 

A hypnotist offers suggestions that people can take or not take.

Hypnosis is not a 100% perfect technique to get anyone to do anything

anytime no matter what.

 

Suppressed Mental processes

A good hypnotist will NOT suppress mental processes. They will work

with a person and help them to bring up and resolve issues, uncover

mental process that may be the cause of pain so they can be delt

with. A good hypnotist will help a person to understand things, have

more resolve and belief in themselves and trust in the K process and

view it with greater peace and understanding.

 

Ok enough for now

 

Rich

[Guest guest]

Listen to the Masters

Swami Vivekananda Acknowledged as the foremost of Sri Ramakrishna's many notable disciples, both lay and monastic, Swami Vivekananda was an illumined being of the highest order. As the forerunner who brought the spiritual teachings of India to the West in 1893 at the convening of the Parliament of Religions in Chicago, he has greatly influenced the last hundred years of spiritual growth in Europe and America.

Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda - This book was voted as one of the top 100 best selling books on spirituality of the 20th century.

Both these Masters were highly against hypnosis.

Why? (Read the original posting)

It is from meditation that awakens us from the hypnotic trance we are already in!

Surrender is from the heart. It is a process of letting go. This needs to be done devotionally with love. To help develop the heart Seva (selfless service) brings one into a devotional state of being. Anxiety is from time travelling. Living in the past, projecting fear into the future, not being in the now. Hypnosis will not help, it will only assist the dreaming, keeping you in trance. Meditation brings us into the now. Meditation gives us the spiritual awakening. We are asleep . (Hypnos god of sleep) If you have one leg in the past, and you other leg is in the future, you start pissing on the Now. Now is the present. That is why it is a gift, the present. Right now everything is perfect.

satchitananda~jeremy

> > Ok enough for now> > Rich>

[Guest guest]

> Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the miracles

performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a Yogi by

Paramahansa Yogananda)

 

Great book and remember reading it when I was about 19 and is one

of the books that started me on the Path ~ Angelina

 

 

, " JOHN. M "

<john.mathieson1 wrote:

>

> Excellent research and prognosis Satchidananda

>

> Thank you.

> John. M

> -

> jezzwhizz

>

> Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:59 AM

> Hypnotism, Hypnosis, by

Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, H.P. Blavatsky

>

>

>

> Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a

sort of psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by

an aesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often

subjected to it; a negative psychological effect ensues that in time

deranges the brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory of

another's consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in

common with the miracles performed by men of divine realization.

(Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda)

>

>

> Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda mentions hypnosis in his

commentaries, " think of the mind like a team of wild horses, and

rather than controlling them through muscular strength and taking

hold of the reins, you ask another to hit them on the head to stun

them into a submissive state for a short period of time. Each time

another stuns the horses into submission the person loses an amount

of their own mental energy. From continued regular sessions of

hypnosis from another person, entering into this docile state,

instead of gaining power and better control, the mind can become a

shapeless powerless mass eventually leading to the mental asylum. "

>

>

>

> Madam H. P. Blavatsky. XII(p.565

>

> A good clairvoyant moreover, if he had an opportunity of seeing

aYogi in the trance state and a mesmerized subject, side by side,

would learn an important Quaternary disappear entirely. Neither Red,

Green, Red-Violet nor the Auric Blue of the Body are to be seen;

nothing but hardly perceptible vibrations of the golden-hued Prana

principle and a violet flame streaked with gold rushing upwards from

the head, in the region where the Third Eye rests, and culminating in

a point. ....

>

> On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced

hypnotic or mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of

conscious Black Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole set

of the principles will be present, with the Higher Manas paralyzed.

Buddhi severed from it through that paralysis, and the red-violet

Astral Body entirely subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama-Rupa. (the

green and red animal monsters in us.)

>

>

> Buddhi is Sanskrit for intellect

>

> Manas is Sanskrit for mind

>

> Kama-Rupa is Sanskrit *H.P.B. uses the term kama-rupa in the two

senses: one, for the imbodied personal man, and two, for the astral

entity of the man after death.

>

>

> Jezzwhizz/Jeremy's take.

>

> Basically the ajna chakra is stunned in hypnosis. The lower

charkas are over stimulated leading to glamour and illusion. (This is

how hallucinations are produced by the stage hypnotist) It is from

meditation that wakes us up from the hypnotic trance that we are

already in! (In my opinion) This is such a vast and extremely

controversial subject, yet above the three masters Paramahansa

Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, and Madam H. P. Blavatsky all appear to

be singing from the same or similar hymn sheet.

>

>

> Satchitanada~jeremy

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

No one can hypnotize you unless you allow it to happen, because

people have tried with me and it did not work. If an Adept wants

to enter ~ he will! ~ Angelina

 

 

-- In , " gypsyeyes_101 "

<gypsyeyes_101 wrote:

>

> > Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the miracles

> performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a Yogi by

> Paramahansa Yogananda)

>

> Great book and remember reading it when I was about 19 and is one

> of the books that started me on the Path ~ Angelina

>

>

> , " JOHN. M "

> <john.mathieson1@> wrote:

> >

> > Excellent research and prognosis Satchidananda

> >

> > Thank you.

> > John. M

> > -

> > jezzwhizz

> >

> > Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:59 AM

> > Hypnotism, Hypnosis,

by

> Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, H.P. Blavatsky

> >

> >

> >

> > Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a

> sort of psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by

> an aesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often

> subjected to it; a negative psychological effect ensues that in

time

> deranges the brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory

of

> another's consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in

> common with the miracles performed by men of divine realization.

> (Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda)

> >

> >

> > Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda mentions hypnosis in his

> commentaries, " think of the mind like a team of wild horses, and

> rather than controlling them through muscular strength and taking

> hold of the reins, you ask another to hit them on the head to stun

> them into a submissive state for a short period of time. Each time

> another stuns the horses into submission the person loses an amount

> of their own mental energy. From continued regular sessions of

> hypnosis from another person, entering into this docile state,

> instead of gaining power and better control, the mind can become a

> shapeless powerless mass eventually leading to the mental asylum. "

> >

> >

> >

> > Madam H. P. Blavatsky. XII(p.565

> >

> > A good clairvoyant moreover, if he had an opportunity of seeing

> aYogi in the trance state and a mesmerized subject, side by side,

> would learn an important Quaternary disappear entirely. Neither

Red,

> Green, Red-Violet nor the Auric Blue of the Body are to be seen;

> nothing but hardly perceptible vibrations of the golden-hued Prana

> principle and a violet flame streaked with gold rushing upwards

from

> the head, in the region where the Third Eye rests, and culminating

in

> a point. ....

> >

> > On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced

> hypnotic or mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of

> conscious Black Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole

set

> of the principles will be present, with the Higher Manas paralyzed.

> Buddhi severed from it through that paralysis, and the red-violet

> Astral Body entirely subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama-Rupa.

(the

> green and red animal monsters in us.)

> >

> >

> > Buddhi is Sanskrit for intellect

> >

> > Manas is Sanskrit for mind

> >

> > Kama-Rupa is Sanskrit *H.P.B. uses the term kama-rupa in the

two

> senses: one, for the imbodied personal man, and two, for the astral

> entity of the man after death.

> >

> >

> > Jezzwhizz/Jeremy's take.

> >

> > Basically the ajna chakra is stunned in hypnosis. The lower

> charkas are over stimulated leading to glamour and illusion. (This

is

> how hallucinations are produced by the stage hypnotist) It is from

> meditation that wakes us up from the hypnotic trance that we are

> already in! (In my opinion) This is such a vast and extremely

> controversial subject, yet above the three masters Paramahansa

> Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, and Madam H. P. Blavatsky all appear

to

> be singing from the same or similar hymn sheet.

> >

> >

> > Satchitanada~jeremy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kundalini comes from meditation and surrender.

 

satchitananda~jeremy

[Guest guest]

Perhaps they did not know enough about hypnosis when they condemned

it.

 

Back then not much was known about hypnosis.

 

The old, and false, understanding of hypnosis was that the " will " is

taken. Or that people are forced to act against their own will or

that it weakens the mind or that it is just a trick. Hypnosis was

viewed as magic or domination over already weak minded people. It

was thought that hypnotists poured out a magical etheric fluid from

their minds into their subjects to control them. All kind of strange

things were believed about hypnosis. Some of the people who

practiced hypnosis even believed and wrote about some this stuff I

have been calling non-sense

 

None of the above is true.

 

Hypnosis consists of two parts.

 

One

Put someone in trance. Trance is another name for meditation. They

are the same.

 

Two

Give the person a suggestion.

 

That is it.

 

It was not until Bandler and Grinder, who co-created N.L.P., really

studied hypnosis and wrote about it that a better understanding was

acquired. I wonder if the old masters really understood or

experienced hypnosis?

 

Hypnosis can be an aid in waking up, seeing reality for what it is,

for transcending the mundane and realizing truth. Hypnosis can help

us the access traumas that are unconscious and help us to resolve

them so we can let go of fear, anger, hurt etc.

 

Hypnosis can wake us up from the cultural trance of the ego based

world and help to free us.

 

 

Addressing the quote,

 

It is from meditation that awakens us from the hypnotic trance we are

already in!

 

Yes, meditation can do this!

 

However, just because we are in a hypnotic trance this does not mean

that hypnosis can not be used to brake it.

 

 

Nothing but love and respect in the never ending search for truth,

Rich

[Guest guest]

BTW

 

 

great graphic, love it!

 

 

rich

[Guest guest]

Yes it is a great book. I read it also early on in my journey. Very

inspirational.

 

But the quote reflects the old, and untrue, understanding of hypnosis,

that it is in some way a miracle or magic.

 

Hypnosis is just a way to make suggestions to people.

 

 

rich

[Guest guest]

I would have been about 22 when I read it. I found it very much inspiring though when I met norm one of my teachers, I become a little disappointed when he said it belonged to the emotional being. Though of course that was Norm, people out of the blue would sometimes approach him as a siddha though he looked and acted as an every day person. He is the one who warned me against hypnotism.

John .M

 

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gypsyeyes_101

Friday, February 06, 2009 7:12 AM

Re: Hypnotism, Hypnosis, by Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, H.P. Blavatsky

 

 

> Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the miracles performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda)Great book and remember reading it when I was about 19 and is oneof the books that started me on the Path ~ Angelina , "JOHN. M" <john.mathieson1 wrote:>> Excellent research and prognosis Satchidananda > > Thank you.> John. M > - > jezzwhizz > > Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:59 AM> Hypnotism, Hypnosis, by Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, H.P. Blavatsky> > > > Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a sort of psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by an aesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often subjected to it; a negative psychological effect ensues that in time deranges the brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory of another's consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the miracles performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda)> > > Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda mentions hypnosis in his commentaries, "think of the mind like a team of wild horses, and rather than controlling them through muscular strength and taking hold of the reins, you ask another to hit them on the head to stun them into a submissive state for a short period of time. Each time another stuns the horses into submission the person loses an amount of their own mental energy. From continued regular sessions of hypnosis from another person, entering into this docile state, instead of gaining power and better control, the mind can become a shapeless powerless mass eventually leading to the mental asylum."> > > > Madam H. P. Blavatsky. XII(p.565> > A good clairvoyant moreover, if he had an opportunity of seeing aYogi in the trance state and a mesmerized subject, side by side, would learn an important Quaternary disappear entirely. Neither Red, Green, Red-Violet nor the Auric Blue of the Body are to be seen; nothing but hardly perceptible vibrations of the golden-hued Prana principle and a violet flame streaked with gold rushing upwards from the head, in the region where the Third Eye rests, and culminating in a point. .... > > On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced hypnotic or mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of conscious Black Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole set of the principles will be present, with the Higher Manas paralyzed. Buddhi severed from it through that paralysis, and the red-violet Astral Body entirely subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama-Rupa. (the green and red animal monsters in us.)> > > Buddhi is Sanskrit for intellect> > Manas is Sanskrit for mind> > Kama-Rupa is Sanskrit *H.P.B. uses the term kama-rupa in the two senses: one, for the imbodied personal man, and two, for the astral entity of the man after death.> > > Jezzwhizz/Jeremy's take.> > Basically the ajna chakra is stunned in hypnosis. The lower charkas are over stimulated leading to glamour and illusion. (This is how hallucinations are produced by the stage hypnotist) It is from meditation that wakes us up from the hypnotic trance that we are already in! (In my opinion) This is such a vast and extremely controversial subject, yet above the three masters Paramahansa Yogananda, Swami Vivekananda, and Madam H. P. Blavatsky all appear to be singing from the same or similar hymn sheet.> > > Satchitanada~jeremy>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich,

 

> Hypnosis is just a way to make suggestions to people.

 

yes, there are other ways to do this if one wants to ~ Angelina

 

, " Richard

Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote:

>

> Yes it is a great book. I read it also early on in my journey. Very

> inspirational.

>

> But the quote reflects the old, and untrue, understanding of hypnosis,

> that it is in some way a miracle or magic.

>

> Hypnosis is just a way to make suggestions to people.

>

>

> rich

>

[Guest guest]

Very cool graphic Rich and could look at it for hours! ~ Angelina

 

 

 

, " Richard

Eisenberg " <Pyaar333 wrote:

>

> Yes it is a great book. I read it also early on in my journey. Very

> inspirational.

>

> But the quote reflects the old, and untrue, understanding of hypnosis,

> that it is in some way a miracle or magic.

>

> Hypnosis is just a way to make suggestions to people.

>

>

> rich

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone been feeling the fluttering organs? I was feeling

them for a week straight and love the feeling! ~ Angelina

 

, " gypsyeyes_101 "

<gypsyeyes_101 wrote:

>

> Very cool graphic Rich and could look at it for hours! ~ Angelina

>

>

>

> , " Richard

> Eisenberg " <Pyaar333@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes it is a great book. I read it also early on in my journey. Very

> > inspirational.

> >

> > But the quote reflects the old, and untrue, understanding of

hypnosis,

> > that it is in some way a miracle or magic.

> >

> > Hypnosis is just a way to make suggestions to people.

> >

> >

> > rich

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What a great gif(t) of Siva and Ganesh! Thank you for posting it.

 

Love,

 

David

[Guest guest]

For those who want to read this book online - Autobiography of a yogi - http://www.ananda.org/inspiration/books/ay/contents.htmlCheersSkoogle

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