Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Hi Iona, did you read this under "misconceptions" at the bottom of beginning page for the Genesis book. http://www.v-a.com/bible/old-testament.html I thought this little bit was really interesting to know. Linda In Hebrew the word for God is "Al-lo-hiem," or "Elohim." Some people speculate that the name has a plural ending and therefore it's an indication of polytheism. There must be a lot written on the subject, but it's not that hard to figure out if you know about the origins of monotheism. The word "Al-lo-hiem" comes from pictographic writing. Here is the pictograph: It represents and means: "Over the flames." An examination of the wings of the pictograph reveals that the wings are flames, in an ordered series of waves. This is the first depiction of God in the earliest form of writing. This language became stylized and is knows as cuneiform. The Ashurai language of Nineveh became known as "Ashurit." It was written in cuneiform and subsequently in the alphabetic form around the 6th Century B.C. The Jewish scholars correctly call this language "Ashurit." The name of God is Ashur. "Ashur" also means "Over the flames." Ashur or Elohim means "Over the flames." Ashur and Elohim are titles. God only has titles, because there never was anyone to name Him. He's eternal. He created time, space and matter. Otherwise nothing would ever exist. "Elohim" is singular, "flames" is plural, but it's really God that is "Over the flames," that's what the name means, therefore the name of God in Hebrew is really singular. Another concept in the Bible that's misunderstood is the "Trinity" or that God is Triune. Some people relate this to the above misconception that I've just explained, that Alohiem is plural, but this is wrong as I've explained. God has three manifestations and the three titles that are used in Christianity, "the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit," were always represented by the pictograph of Ashur or Elohim. It's just that people never understood this. To this day people don't understand it. The elements of the pictograph depict the Son in human form, in the bosom of the Father, implied by the sun disc surrounding the image of man, the Creator (the Son and the Father as One,) with the wings of the Holy Spirit, which are flames of fire. On the Son's head are the horns of righteousness or priesthood. These are the major elements of the pictograph. They are consistent with monotheism and the origins of the Scripture. , "Skydancer" <ionaskydancer wrote:>> Greetings Chrism,> > Thank you for your pm. Thank you also for these links. I've only had > a quick look through them so far but I am going to study further as I > find these translations very interesting. Also the link that took us > to the translation of the first book of Genesis is amazing. Its as > though the bible has been dumbed down to suit the masses and most of > its beauty has been lost in translation.> > Thanks again,> Skydancer x> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hi Linda, We must have our wires crossed somewhere Linda. gave us 5 links to look at re; The Lords Prayer translations. I clicked on the last one written by Neil Douglas-Klotz and read that. On that page and just to the side are small 'cards' and when you click on them they show you translations of the first chapter of Bible (Genesis) and another is Quran. I clicked onto the first one and it took me to: http://www.peaceportalarts.com/feature_articles/illuminatedpeace2.shtm l It shows the first verse of Genesis translated from Hebrew by Neil Douglas-Klotz, 1995, Desert Wisdom. It has no relation to the piece from the page you quoted. It looks as if we could study this for ever and never come to a conclusion everyone would be happy with. I was watching a programme on BBC2 last night on two Amish men who had been excommunicated from their church. It seems the bible used in their churches is written in an old German dialect which is never used now and only 'understood' by the scholars and church elders. The two men in question had got hold of bibles written in English which showed that the Amish had not been living their lives according to the world of God. It was a very interesting and enlightening programme. Blessings, Linda, Skydancer x , " Linda " <crazycats711 wrote: > > > Hi Iona, did you read this under " misconceptions " at the bottom of > beginning page for the Genesis book. > http://www.v-a.com/bible/old-testament.html > <http://www.v-a.com/bible/old-testament.html> I thought this little > bit was really interesting to know. > > Linda > > In Hebrew the word for God is " Al-lo-hiem, " or " Elohim. " Some people > speculate that the name has a plural ending and therefore it's an > indication of polytheism. There must be a lot written on the subject, > but it's not that hard to figure out if you know about the origins of > monotheism. The word " Al-lo-hiem " comes from pictographic writing. Here > is the pictograph: > > [[Pictograph of Ashur]] > > It represents and means: " Over the flames. " An examination of the wings > of the pictograph reveals that the wings are flames, in an ordered > series of waves. This is the first depiction of God in the earliest form > of writing. This language became stylized and is knows as cuneiform. The > Ashurai language of Nineveh became known as " Ashurit. " It was written in > cuneiform and subsequently in the alphabetic form around the 6th Century > B.C. The Jewish scholars correctly call this language " Ashurit. " The > name of God is Ashur. " Ashur " also means " Over the flames. " Ashur or > Elohim means " Over the flames. " Ashur and Elohim are titles. God only > has titles, because there never was anyone to name Him. He's eternal. He > created time, space and matter. Otherwise nothing would ever exist. > > " Elohim " is singular, " flames " is plural, but it's really God that is > " Over the flames, " that's what the name means, therefore the name of God > in Hebrew is really singular. > > Another concept in the Bible that's misunderstood is the " Trinity " or > that God is Triune. Some people relate this to the above misconception > that I've just explained, that Alohiem is plural, but this is wrong as > I've explained. God has three manifestations and the three titles that > are used in Christianity, " the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, " > were always represented by the pictograph of Ashur or Elohim. It's just > that people never understood this. To this day people don't understand > it. The elements of the pictograph depict the Son in human form, in the > bosom of the Father, implied by the sun disc surrounding the image of > man, the Creator (the Son and the Father as One,) with the wings of the > Holy Spirit, which are flames of fire. On the Son's head are the horns > of righteousness or priesthood. These are the major elements of the > pictograph. They are consistent with monotheism and the origins of the > Scripture. > > > > > , " Skydancer " > <ionaskydancer@> wrote: > > > > Greetings Chrism, > > > > Thank you for your pm. Thank you also for these links. I've only had > > a quick look through them so far but I am going to study further as I > > find these translations very interesting. Also the link that took us > > to the translation of the first book of Genesis is amazing. Its as > > though the bible has been dumbed down to suit the masses and most of > > its beauty has been lost in translation. > > > > Thanks again, > > Skydancer x > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hehe! I guess I did. I click on a tag on one of those pages address Chrism sent and it took me to the one I went too. LOL! Linda , " Skydancer " <ionaskydancer wrote: > > Hi Linda, > > We must have our wires crossed somewhere Linda. gave us 5 > links to look at re; The Lords Prayer translations. I clicked on the > last one written by Neil Douglas-Klotz and read that. On that page > and just to the side are small 'cards' and when you click on them > they show you translations of the first chapter of Bible (Genesis) > and another is Quran. I clicked onto the first one and it took me to: > > http://www.peaceportalarts.com/feature_articles/illuminatedpeace2.shtm > l > > It shows the first verse of Genesis translated from Hebrew by Neil > Douglas-Klotz, 1995, Desert Wisdom. It has no relation to the piece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Kind of makes you wonder were his source is from, since it is nothing like the christian bible. I have noticed a lot on the net from different videos and articles, that these people are quoting from gnostic books or the Quran but making statements as though it was from the Christian Bible. Both the gnostic books and the Quran were written many hundreds of years after the christian bible using biblical characters as the ones who wrote their books. I guess maybe they were channelled by some being claiming to be these biblical characters, only thing I can figure. I have read a little of the Quran lately, it reminds me somewhat of that which I have read in some of the gnostic books. I have a book " The Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden " and have had it a good 20 years or more. I did a search on Mohammad and apparently he was a reader of those gnostic books. The quran quotes a lot from that book as well as others on the net. If those apocryphal books had been written closers to Jesus's time on the earth by people who knew him personally, I could but more stock in them. Since they were mostly written a couple of hundred years after the fact and the Quran was written 4 or 5 hundred years after that, I just can't see discarding the christian bible as all false and these books that were not choosen as being part of the bible as all truth.. JMHO. Linda , " Skydancer " <ionaskydancer wrote: > > Hi Linda, > > We must have our wires crossed somewhere Linda. gave us 5 > links to look at re; The Lords Prayer translations. I clicked on the > last one written by Neil Douglas-Klotz and read that. On that page > and just to the side are small 'cards' and when you click on them > they show you translations of the first chapter of Bible (Genesis) > and another is Quran. I clicked onto the first one and it took me to: > > http://www.peaceportalarts.com/feature_articles/illuminatedpeace2.shtm > l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 You might be interested to know that it was quite possible that the Jesuits financed Mohamed. John - Linda Friday, February 20, 2009 7:07 AM Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic - Iona Kind of makes you wonder were his source is from, since it is nothing like the christian bible. I have noticed a lot on the net from different videos and articles, that these people are quoting from gnostic books or the Quran but making statements as though it was from the Christian Bible. Both the gnostic books and the Quran were written many hundreds of years after the christian bible using biblical characters as the ones who wrote their books. I guess maybe they were channelled by some being claiming to be these biblical characters, only thing I can figure. I have read a little of the Quran lately, it reminds me somewhat of that which I have read in some of the gnostic books. I have a book "The Lost Books of the Bible and the Forgotten Books of Eden" and have had it a good 20 years or more. I did a search on Mohammad and apparently he was a reader of those gnostic books. The quran quotes a lot from that book as well as others on the net. If those apocryphal books had been written closers to Jesus's time on the earth by people who knew him personally, I could but more stock in them. Since they were mostly written a couple of hundred years after the fact and the Quran was written 4 or 5 hundred years after that, I just can't see discarding the christian bible as all false and these books that were not choosen as being part of the bible as all truth.. JMHO.Linda , "Skydancer" <ionaskydancer wrote:>> Hi Linda,> > We must have our wires crossed somewhere Linda. gave us 5 > links to look at re; The Lords Prayer translations. I clicked on the > last one written by Neil Douglas-Klotz and read that. On that page > and just to the side are small 'cards' and when you click on them > they show you translations of the first chapter of Bible (Genesis) > and another is Quran. I clicked onto the first one and it took me to:> > http://www.peaceportalarts.com/feature_articles/illuminatedpeace2.shtm> l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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