Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I am sorry this venue isnt bringing you what it is you wish Julie. Or that you feel it is straying into areas that hold little value for you. I honor your devotion towards service to mankind and service is one of the values that are reached for here. In the beginning Kundalini will give people phenomena. This is what will concern a person new to this condition. It can be helpful for a person to have some of the repeated experiences of phenomena discussed in order to avoid an overpowering fear mentality from entering the awakening equation. As far as your participation in the vernal shaktipat it has been noted that you do not wish to partake of it. Your picture isnt in the album. In no way is anyone expected to participate. One either wishes to or one doesnt. You have stated your decision not to participate twice now and I am wondering if there is another message you wish to communicate? In no way do I intend to disrespect the lords prayer. Does changing by revisiting earlier translations devalue its divine imperative? Which translation is the perfect one? You are a gifted, kind and helpful person Julie and if you have any suggestions as to how we as a group can make this a better place please let us know. - blessings to you! - chrism , Julie <jewelport wrote: > > I do; there is one " perfect prayer " . that is the Lord's prayer. Let no one add or take anything away from this. this is why i cannot be a part of this vernal shaktipat. phenomenom has no interest for me, as all the posts these days allude to; it is WHAT can i contribute to mankind from my k awakening. very sorry, but this venue has drifted from what i originally singed up for. just my take. good luck to those who are here..........supposedly, you are HERE for a reason. > > Julie > > --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Linda <crazycats711 wrote: > Linda <crazycats711 > Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 5:00 PM > > > > > > I agree with what Criag said also. > > > > I see no problem with the different translations of the Lords Prayer. > > I personally see the Lord Prayer, not so much as a prayer in itself, > > but as a guideline on how to pray. Not saying I feel it's wrong to > > just repeat the words over and over. I do the repeating of it at > > times, too, but it needs to be done coming from the heart and not as > > a vain repeating. To me it seems more like a mantra when repeated > > over and over, but then again I see repeating of a mantra as a form > > of prayer, as well. > > > > Rom. 12:12 - Paul commands us to be constant in prayer. God looks at > > what is in our heart, not necessarily how we choose our words. > > > > While going through some of those links chrism posted I found this > > website that has much of the bible written from the Ancient Aramaic. > > If anyone be interested. > > http://www.v- a.com/bible/ letters/ > > > > Linda > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " novalees " > > <dhyana@> wrote: > > > > > > That is so 'right on', thanks, Craig. > > > > > > Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Craig Falkner > > > <falkner.craig@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied theology for 4 years and the most important lesson I > > > learned was that without knowledge of the history of that time and > > the > > > language that was actually spoken, you don't know more than you > > know. > > > First century Christianity has little in common with what is called > > > Christianity now. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Dear Chrism,Perhaps I am TOO simple a person; and the realm of phenomena is something I am misinterpreting. Yes, I have sweeping sensations, tingling, color-changing, and moving orbs in my line of sight at times when I am deep into meditation. But for me, that is not the emphasis to be placed on k-awakening. I should have probably been silent on this subject, as it seemed to cause some reaction in me. I have just noticed a shift in the emphasis on the reasons for becoming awakened, and living the life of an awakened person. So I apologize for this reaction, and will remain silent with my concerns. The healing and awakening groups have been part of my life for quite some now. I have seen people come and go for their own personal reasons. I learn so much from you and others in the group, and share the blessing when a person realizes the powerful energy that has been lying dormant in their bodies. I offer up every person to God for healing who is mentioned in the healing group. As you say so often, it IS a powerful force, and should be used wisely and unselfishly. Blessings to you all on this upcoming shaktipat. I will miss the revelations, dreams, and unity. Again, my vow is now one of silence for a time.As far as the Lord's Prayer, again, a personal reaction. I have studied in groups and on my own the "perfect prayer", the "Our Father." My prayer life is different from most, as it is my belief that no other supplication is needed, as God gave us this prayer to use, as He knows better than I what is good for me. I have no need to ask Him of anything other than "His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Once I became aware of the power in this simple prayer, I no longer asked God for anything than to forgive my trespasses, and keep me out of His way. I have no power or strength other than what God allows; and the work I do, I do through Him, and glorify His name.Namaste,JulieJulie--- On Wed, 2/18/09, chrism <> wrote: <> Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic - Julie Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 11:26 PM I am sorry this venue isnt bringing you what it is you wish Julie. Or that you feel it is straying into areas that hold little value for you. I honor your devotion towards service to mankind and service is one of the values that are reached for here. In the beginning Kundalini will give people phenomena. This is what will concern a person new to this condition. It can be helpful for a person to have some of the repeated experiences of phenomena discussed in order to avoid an overpowering fear mentality from entering the awakening equation. As far as your participation in the vernal shaktipat it has been noted that you do not wish to partake of it. Your picture isnt in the album. In no way is anyone expected to participate. One either wishes to or one doesnt. You have stated your decision not to participate twice now and I am wondering if there is another message you wish to communicate? In no way do I intend to disrespect the lords prayer. Does changing by revisiting earlier translations devalue its divine imperative? Which translation is the perfect one? You are a gifted, kind and helpful person Julie and if you have any suggestions as to how we as a group can make this a better place please let us know. - blessings to you! - chrism Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Julie <jewelport@. ..> wrote: > > I do; there is one "perfect prayer". that is the Lord's prayer. Let no one add or take anything away from this. this is why i cannot be a part of this vernal shaktipat. phenomenom has no interest for me, as all the posts these days allude to; it is WHAT can i contribute to mankind from my k awakening. very sorry, but this venue has drifted from what i originally singed up for. just my take. good luck to those who are here........ ..supposedly, you are HERE for a reason. > > Julie > > --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Linda <crazycats711@ ...> wrote: > Linda <crazycats711@ ...> > [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 5:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with what Criag said also. > > > > I see no problem with the different translations of the Lords Prayer. > > I personally see the Lord Prayer, not so much as a prayer in itself, > > but as a guideline on how to pray. Not saying I feel it's wrong to > > just repeat the words over and over. I do the repeating of it at > > times, too, but it needs to be done coming from the heart and not as > > a vain repeating. To me it seems more like a mantra when repeated > > over and over, but then again I see repeating of a mantra as a form > > of prayer, as well. > > > > Rom. 12:12 - Paul commands us to be constant in prayer. God looks at > > what is in our heart, not necessarily how we choose our words. > > > > While going through some of those links chrism posted I found this > > website that has much of the bible written from the Ancient Aramaic. > > If anyone be interested. > > http://www.v- a.com/bible/ letters/ > > > > Linda > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "novalees" > > <dhyana@> wrote: > > > > > > That is so 'right on', thanks, Craig. > > > > > > Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Craig Falkner > > > <falkner.craig@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied theology for 4 years and the most important lesson I > > > learned was that without knowledge of the history of that time and > > the > > > language that was actually spoken, you don't know more than you > > know. > > > First century Christianity has little in common with what is called > > > Christianity now. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Julie, For what it is worth MHO is that it does not matter what words one chooses to use it is the intent and purposes for which the words are used. Some will find that one set of words will bring forth a movement toward the Divine while another will remain unmoved. It is up to each individual to find what is appropriate for them. Groups such as this is only a means and manner by which you may be exposed to the catalyst that will cause your movement toward home. People will be directed into the group for a reason and that reason is not to be known except by those for which the reason applies. There will be many that are merely brought here to learn and be exposed to a different path and in so doing it will demonstrated that it is not the correct path for them. Others may be required to be exposed to a “lesson” of misuse of the energies, it is not for me to know but I can related to some degree from the rugged and rough path that I have chosen by my own free will to follow. As for the numerous reasons that the awakening will be sought, during this time of energetic increase many will be moved to seek but only those that are ready will be able to fully utilize the K. It does not matter whether you want or demand the awakening it will only occur for those that are ready for it to awaken. Some will have it awaken only to be given an opportunity to move forward and they will exercise their free will not to extend the effort to keep it alive and well. Others will become lost again in the illusions of life and will undergo lessons different from anyone else. What you see in others today will be far different tomorrow as we are all at differing stages in our evolutionary paths. Like you I too have come to know that there is one and only one purpose that one should seek the awakening of K and that is to further one’s movement toward unity with the Divine. That unity is an all encompassing love/passion that arouses a desire so strong that it can become the singular focus of life. Most of us have to find a balance between existence and that desire. Many are those who are called but few are those that are chosen. May you find some gem to be kept within the words I have written, if not, please, set them aside as the incoherent ramblings of a seeker. May you be awash in the Divine’s great Love and Light. Brother Asa On Behalf Of Julie 02/19/2009 3:27 AM Re: Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic - Julie Dear Chrism, Perhaps I am TOO simple a person; and the realm of phenomena is something I am misinterpreting. Yes, I have sweeping sensations, tingling, color-changing, and moving orbs in my line of sight at times when I am deep into meditation. But for me, that is not the emphasis to be placed on k-awakening. I should have probably been silent on this subject, as it seemed to cause some reaction in me. I have just noticed a shift in the emphasis on the reasons for becoming awakened, and living the life of an awakened person. So I apologize for this reaction, and will remain silent with my concerns. The healing and awakening groups have been part of my life for quite some now. I have seen people come and go for their own personal reasons. I learn so much from you and others in the group, and share the blessing when a person realizes the powerful energy that has been lying dormant in their bodies. I offer up every person to God for healing who is mentioned in the healing group. As you say so often, it IS a powerful force, and should be used wisely and unselfishly. Blessings to you all on this upcoming shaktipat. I will miss the revelations, dreams, and unity. Again, my vow is now one of silence for a time. As far as the Lord's Prayer, again, a personal reaction. I have studied in groups and on my own the " perfect prayer " , the " Our Father. " My prayer life is different from most, as it is my belief that no other supplication is needed, as God gave us this prayer to use, as He knows better than I what is good for me. I have no need to ask Him of anything other than " His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Once I became aware of the power in this simple prayer, I no longer asked God for anything than to forgive my trespasses, and keep me out of His way. I have no power or strength other than what God allows; and the work I do, I do through Him, and glorify His name. Namaste, Julie Julie --- On Wed, 2/18/09, chrism <> wrote: <> Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic - Julie Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 11:26 PM I am sorry this venue isnt bringing you what it is you wish Julie. Or that you feel it is straying into areas that hold little value for you. I honor your devotion towards service to mankind and service is one of the values that are reached for here. In the beginning Kundalini will give people phenomena. This is what will concern a person new to this condition. It can be helpful for a person to have some of the repeated experiences of phenomena discussed in order to avoid an overpowering fear mentality from entering the awakening equation. As far as your participation in the vernal shaktipat it has been noted that you do not wish to partake of it. Your picture isnt in the album. In no way is anyone expected to participate. One either wishes to or one doesnt. You have stated your decision not to participate twice now and I am wondering if there is another message you wish to communicate? In no way do I intend to disrespect the lords prayer. Does changing by revisiting earlier translations devalue its divine imperative? Which translation is the perfect one? You are a gifted, kind and helpful person Julie and if you have any suggestions as to how we as a group can make this a better place please let us know. - blessings to you! - chrism Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Julie <jewelport@. ..> wrote: > > I do; there is one " perfect prayer " . that is the Lord's prayer. Let no one add or take anything away from this. this is why i cannot be a part of this vernal shaktipat. phenomenom has no interest for me, as all the posts these days allude to; it is WHAT can i contribute to mankind from my k awakening. very sorry, but this venue has drifted from what i originally singed up for. just my take. good luck to those who are here........ ..supposedly, you are HERE for a reason. > > Julie > > --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Linda <crazycats711@ ...> wrote: > Linda <crazycats711@ ...> > [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 5:00 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with what Criag said also. > > > > I see no problem with the different translations of the Lords Prayer. > > I personally see the Lord Prayer, not so much as a prayer in itself, > > but as a guideline on how to pray. Not saying I feel it's wrong to > > just repeat the words over and over. I do the repeating of it at > > times, too, but it needs to be done coming from the heart and not as > > a vain repeating. To me it seems more like a mantra when repeated > > over and over, but then again I see repeating of a mantra as a form > > of prayer, as well. > > > > Rom. 12:12 - Paul commands us to be constant in prayer. God looks at > > what is in our heart, not necessarily how we choose our words. > > > > While going through some of those links chrism posted I found this > > website that has much of the bible written from the Ancient Aramaic. > > If anyone be interested. > > http://www.v- a.com/bible/ letters/ > > > > Linda > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , " novalees " > > <dhyana@> wrote: > > > > > > That is so 'right on', thanks, Craig. > > > > > > Love, dhyana > > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Craig Falkner > > > <falkner.craig@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I studied theology for 4 years and the most important lesson I > > > learned was that without knowledge of the history of that time and > > the > > > language that was actually spoken, you don't know more than you > > know. > > > First century Christianity has little in common with what is called > > > Christianity now. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 In your silence then we will walk with you into the higher reaches of the Kundalini expression Julie. Let it not be expected that this silence must continue as your voice and its clarity of purpose are greatly appreciated. You are I feel correct in explaining that phenomena symptoms of Kundalini are not the main focus. And I am grateful to you Julie for this reminder given to the group. Phenomena will be experienced though and as we have about 65 new members I have recently posted information that does pertain to the phenomenon of the Kundalini. Your observation is excellent though and it is important for everyone to realize that the " symptoms " of the Kundalini are not the goal merely the beginning of the trasformation. The goal is the individual enlightenment process that divinity will assist in each individual imho. Character and selfless service towards others are indeed a major focus of development within the early Kundalini as well as emotional and mental stability and balance. The retraining of the inner child or the ego, the identification with divinity in the new awareness and all of these pursuits and many others are all very important to the process and so once again let me offer you my gratitude for your astute observations and communications about this for us all. - blessings and gratitude to you Julie! - chrism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Thanks for this post Brother Asa. I know it wasn't directed to me, but it really resonated with me. Sarita , "W. Asa Taylor-Fraser" <asa wrote:>> Julie,> > > > For what it is worth MHO is that it does not matter what words one chooses> to use it is the intent and purposes for which the words are used. Some> will find that one set of words will bring forth a movement toward the> Divine while another will remain unmoved. It is up to each individual to> find what is appropriate for them. Groups such as this is only a means and> manner by which you may be exposed to the catalyst that will cause your> movement toward home. People will be directed into the group for a reason> and that reason is not to be known except by those for which the reason> applies. There will be many that are merely brought here to learn and be> exposed to a different path and in so doing it will demonstrated that it is> not the correct path for them. Others may be required to be exposed to a> "lesson" of misuse of the energies, it is not for me to know but I can> related to some degree from the rugged and rough path that I have chosen by> my own free will to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Brother Asa, I like your reasoning, look forward to read you more. Regards John M - W. Asa Taylor-Fraser Friday, February 20, 2009 4:40 AM RE: Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic - Julie Julie, For what it is worth MHO is that it does not matter what words one chooses to use it is the intent and purposes for which the words are used. Some will find that one set of words will bring forth a movement toward the Divine while another will remain unmoved. It is up to each individual to find what is appropriate for them. Groups such as this is only a means and manner by which you may be exposed to the catalyst that will cause your movement toward home. People will be directed into the group for a reason and that reason is not to be known except by those for which the reason applies. There will be many that are merely brought here to learn and be exposed to a different path and in so doing it will demonstrated that it is not the correct path for them. Others may be required to be exposed to a “lesson” of misuse of the energies, it is not for me to know but I can related to some degree from the rugged and rough path that I have chosen by my own free will to follow. As for the numerous reasons that the awakening will be sought, during this time of energetic increase many will be moved to seek but only those that are ready will be able to fully utilize the K. It does not matter whether you want or demand the awakening it will only occur for those that are ready for it to awaken. Some will have it awaken only to be given an opportunity to move forward and they will exercise their free will not to extend the effort to keep it alive and well. Others will become lost again in the illusions of life and will undergo lessons different from anyone else. What you see in others today will be far different tomorrow as we are all at differing stages in our evolutionary paths. Like you I too have come to know that there is one and only one purpose that one should seek the awakening of K and that is to further one’s movement toward unity with the Divine. That unity is an all encompassing love/passion that arouses a desire so strong that it can become the singular focus of life. Most of us have to find a balance between existence and that desire. Many are those who are called but few are those that are chosen. May you find some gem to be kept within the words I have written, if not, please, set them aside as the incoherent ramblings of a seeker. May you be awash in the Divine’s great Love and Light. Brother Asa On Behalf Of Julie02/19/2009 3:27 AM Subject: Re: Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic - Julie Dear Chrism,Perhaps I am TOO simple a person; and the realm of phenomena is something I am misinterpreting. Yes, I have sweeping sensations, tingling, color-changing, and moving orbs in my line of sight at times when I am deep into meditation. But for me, that is not the emphasis to be placed on k-awakening. I should have probably been silent on this subject, as it seemed to cause some reaction in me. I have just noticed a shift in the emphasis on the reasons for becoming awakened, and living the life of an awakened person. So I apologize for this reaction, and will remain silent with my concerns. The healing and awakening groups have been part of my life for quite some now. I have seen people come and go for their own personal reasons. I learn so much from you and others in the group, and share the blessing when a person realizes the powerful energy that has been lying dormant in their bodies. I offer up every person to God for healing who is mentioned in the healing group. As you say so often, it IS a powerful force, and should be used wisely and unselfishly. Blessings to you all on this upcoming shaktipat. I will miss the revelations, dreams, and unity. Again, my vow is now one of silence for a time.As far as the Lord's Prayer, again, a personal reaction. I have studied in groups and on my own the "perfect prayer", the "Our Father." My prayer life is different from most, as it is my belief that no other supplication is needed, as God gave us this prayer to use, as He knows better than I what is good for me. I have no need to ask Him of anything other than "His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Once I became aware of the power in this simple prayer, I no longer asked God for anything than to forgive my trespasses, and keep me out of His way. I have no power or strength other than what God allows; and the work I do, I do through Him, and glorify His name.Namaste,Julie Julie --- On Wed, 2/18/09, chrism wrote: Re: Lords Prayer translated from Aramaic - Julie Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 11:26 PM I am sorry this venue isnt bringing you what it is you wish Julie. Orthat you feel it is straying into areas that hold little value foryou. I honor your devotion towards service to mankind and service isone of the values that are reached for here.In the beginning Kundalini will give people phenomena. This is whatwill concern a person new to this condition. It can be helpful for aperson to have some of the repeated experiences of phenomena discussedin order to avoid an overpowering fear mentality from entering theawakening equation.As far as your participation in the vernal shaktipat it has been notedthat you do not wish to partake of it. Your picture isnt in the album.In no way is anyone expected to participate. One either wishes to orone doesnt. You have stated your decision not to participate twice nowand I am wondering if there is another message you wish to communicate?In no way do I intend to disrespect the lords prayer. Does changing byrevisiting earlier translations devalue its divine imperative? Whichtranslation is the perfect one? You are a gifted, kind and helpful person Julie and if you have anysuggestions as to how we as a group can make this a better placeplease let us know. - blessings to you! - chrism Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Julie<jewelport@. ..> wrote:>> I do; there is one "perfect prayer". that is the Lord's prayer. Let no one add or take anything away from this. this is why i cannotbe a part of this vernal shaktipat. phenomenom has no interest forme, as all the posts these days allude to; it is WHAT can i contributeto mankind from my k awakening. very sorry, but this venue hasdrifted from what i originally singed up for. just my take. goodluck to those who are here........ ..supposedly, you are HERE for a reason.> > Julie> > --- On Wed, 2/18/09, Linda <crazycats711@ ...> wrote:> Linda <crazycats711@ ...>> [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] Re: Lords Prayer translatedfrom Aramaic> Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 5:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with what Criag said also.> > > > I see no problem with the different translations of the Lords Prayer. > > I personally see the Lord Prayer, not so much as a prayer in itself, > > but as a guideline on how to pray. Not saying I feel it's wrong to > > just repeat the words over and over. I do the repeating of it at > > times, too, but it needs to be done coming from the heart and not as > > a vain repeating. To me it seems more like a mantra when repeated > > over and over, but then again I see repeating of a mantra as a form > > of prayer, as well.> > > > Rom. 12:12 - Paul commands us to be constant in prayer. God looks at > > what is in our heart, not necessarily how we choose our words.> > > > While going through some of those links chrism posted I found this > > website that has much of the bible written from the Ancient Aramaic.> > If anyone be interested.> > http://www.v- a.com/bible/ letters/> > > > Linda> > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "novalees" > > <dhyana@> wrote:> > >> > > That is so 'right on', thanks, Craig.> > > > > > Love, dhyana> > > > > > > > > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , Craig Falkner> > > <falkner.craig@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > I studied theology for 4 years and the most important lesson I> > > learned was that without knowledge of the history of that time and > > the> > > language that was actually spoken, you don't know more than you > > know.> > > First century Christianity has little in common with what is called> > > Christianity now.> > > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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