Curious about the Rosicrucian Order

[Guest guest]

My father passed away a few years ago. He was a member of the Rosicrucian

Order. He

never talked about it. I have kept boxes of his studies. I haven't read much,

but am curious

about what others think. If it is not appropriate to discuss on this forum,

please feel free to

let me know. I don't want to get involved in something that may not be good

for me.

 

I don't like to join Religious groups, church for instance has a very negative

feeling for me

although I know It is good for many. Mind control etc is one of my 1st negative

thoughts

about it. Pat

[Guest guest]

It is another group of people searching. They enjoy secrets as a way

of separating themselves from others. A " secret society. " Some search

for God and some search for power. Some use others for their own ends

and some use their own persons.

 

Some Rosicrucians are ordinary people. They give to charities and to

helpful causes. They are a social network of well meaning and well

intentioned people. Others are in it for reasons of a search for God

and for information about enlightenment and so forth. And yet others

are in it for power and wielding power over others. So really not so

different than any other corporation or theological belief structure.

Imho.

 

If it has to be secret then I feel the motives and intentions are not

up to the standards of honesty that I set up for myself. So for me I

do not engage them.

 

I feel there are issues with secret societies that can underscore

opportunities for learning what it is to be used by the egregore of

the secret groups.

 

An egregore is a being of conscious energy of the collected thoughts

and prayers and intentions of a group of people. Like the one that has

formed around our community here. Though ours is about love and

honesty and truth and is in no way secret.

 

Some egregores have qualities that are carried over from the distant

past and these can include ancient issues that have not been resolved

by the membership present at the time that the issue was formed. Some

of these issues can be given to new initiates as they abandon the

seniority of their spiritual directions and actions to the dictates of

the group and the consciousness (egregore) of that group. This is

often a requirement for entry into the group.

 

This can have unfortunate repercussions that can challenge the new

person who may not have known what they were getting into until it is

to late to be extracted. This is the trap of secrecy.

 

For me I would advise people to steer clear of " secret societies. "

Align yourself with love and openess and honesty and integrity. Let

there be no secrets from others except for your own safety as regards

the Kundalini. In the west and other societies Kundalini declarations

can have ominous results for the person making such a declaration.

 

Not speaking of the Kundalini is not keeping a secret in order to trap

or exert a power over another. It is keeping understandings and

information away from those who do not have at this time the ability

to understand or even the interest to seek understanding and in so

doing can inflict harm upon the one with the Kundalini.

 

Love and truth and honesty and trust are still given out freely. No

secret is demanded upon those who would wish to explore this path. No

trap is set and no vow of servitude to another human is commanded.

Kundalini Shakti as it permeates and changes the body will demand

certain surrenderings that will help the infusion and the changes

created from the infusion of the Kundalini. This is in my view a bit

different than commanding surrender of the soul for purposes other

than its own maturation. When we surrender to Kundalini we are

surrendering to ourselves and the divinity with in us.

 

So I will not state that " all " secret societies are bad or have

intentions not healthy for others. I will state that some do have

these issues. The rosicrucians trip the red caution flags for me. Let

your discernment feel what they are for you. - blessings Pat. - chrism

[Guest guest]

Namaste Pat,

The Rosicruicians or the Ancient Mystical Order of the Rosi Cross,

from my limited understanding teach via Rosicrucian Monographs, of

which your farther has left behind. Rosicrucians would say that these

should be destroyed or returned to them. The Rosicrucian path is very

much one of ritual. Of course, ritual, very much influences the

deeper parts of one psyche. I believe, correctly or not, that the

teachings are more scientifically based, teaching telepathy,

psychokenesis, atral and mental projection, healing, clairvoyance,

meditation, prayer, etc. etc. and how these phenomena can be

scientifically explained. I believe this is an esoteric school, and

at one time was very secretive, and many of the Templer Knights were

Rosicrusians. Like all esoteric methods and systems, eventually the

final outcome, if it is Gods will - is the activation of the

kundalini.Many of the worlds famous individuals and genius's were

rosicrusions, Francis Bacon, Albert Einstein, Abraham Lincoln, George

Washington, Benjamin Franklin. More recently Joseph J. Weed who

wrote several books including " Wisdom of the Mystic Masters "

May I suggest that your father was in fact on the same path as

yourself, and could it be his influence directing you now in your

life's journey. My own suggestion would be to pray into this, " Ask

and thou shall receive " and an answer will come to you.

Many blessings to your and blessings too to your late father.

 

Satchitanada~jeremy

 

 

 

> I don't like to join Religious groups, church for instance has a

very

negative feeling for me

> although I know It is good for many. Mind control etc is one of my

1st negative thoughts

> about it. Pat

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Chrism. Your warning is well taken. I know secrecy was needed in

the past so

that one didn't end up being burned at the stake, or put to death, or even just

hated by

the community. But it was strange that my father could not even talk to his

adult

daughter about these things, even when I told him about things that were

happening to

me. But I think my mother might have become upset if he had talked about it to

me, so I

never held it against him.

 

I will at some point look through his papers, but will steer clear of " joining "

anything at

this time. - Love and Light - Pat

 

, " chrism " <>

wrote:

>

> It is another group of people searching. They enjoy secrets as a way

> of separating themselves from others. A " secret society. " Some search

> for God and some search for power. Some use others for their own ends

> and some use their own persons.

>

> Some Rosicrucians are ordinary people. They give to charities and to

> helpful causes. They are a social network of well meaning and well

> intentioned people. Others are in it for reasons of a search for God

> and for information about enlightenment and so forth. And yet others

> are in it for power and wielding power over others. So really not so

> different than any other corporation or theological belief structure.

> Imho.

>

> If it has to be secret then I feel the motives and intentions are not

> up to the standards of honesty that I set up for myself. So for me I

> do not engage them.

>

> I feel there are issues with secret societies that can underscore

> opportunities for learning what it is to be used by the egregore of

> the secret groups.

>

> An egregore is a being of conscious energy of the collected thoughts

> and prayers and intentions of a group of people. Like the one that has

> formed around our community here. Though ours is about love and

> honesty and truth and is in no way secret.

>

> Some egregores have qualities that are carried over from the distant

> past and these can include ancient issues that have not been resolved

> by the membership present at the time that the issue was formed. Some

> of these issues can be given to new initiates as they abandon the

> seniority of their spiritual directions and actions to the dictates of

> the group and the consciousness (egregore) of that group. This is

> often a requirement for entry into the group.

>

> This can have unfortunate repercussions that can challenge the new

> person who may not have known what they were getting into until it is

> to late to be extracted. This is the trap of secrecy.

>

> For me I would advise people to steer clear of " secret societies. "

> Align yourself with love and openess and honesty and integrity. Let

> there be no secrets from others except for your own safety as regards

> the Kundalini. In the west and other societies Kundalini declarations

> can have ominous results for the person making such a declaration.

>

> Not speaking of the Kundalini is not keeping a secret in order to trap

> or exert a power over another. It is keeping understandings and

> information away from those who do not have at this time the ability

> to understand or even the interest to seek understanding and in so

> doing can inflict harm upon the one with the Kundalini.

>

> Love and truth and honesty and trust are still given out freely. No

> secret is demanded upon those who would wish to explore this path. No

> trap is set and no vow of servitude to another human is commanded.

> Kundalini Shakti as it permeates and changes the body will demand

> certain surrenderings that will help the infusion and the changes

> created from the infusion of the Kundalini. This is in my view a bit

> different than commanding surrender of the soul for purposes other

> than its own maturation. When we surrender to Kundalini we are

> surrendering to ourselves and the divinity with in us.

>

> So I will not state that " all " secret societies are bad or have

> intentions not healthy for others. I will state that some do have

> these issues. The rosicrucians trip the red caution flags for me. Let

> your discernment feel what they are for you. - blessings Pat. - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

They are pretty serious about their secrets. He may have had some

intense spiritual experiences that would confirm " for him " the

validity of suggested punishments if he were to abrogate his

agreements. It might be best to just honor his feelings in this. Just

a thought Pat. For you not having made the agreements there is no

problem but sometimes inside of Kundalini it is best to stay clear of

some groups. - just a thought. - chrism

 

, " Pat "

<lookinglassaussies wrote:

>

> Thank you Chrism. Your warning is well taken.

[Guest guest]

> They are pretty serious about their secrets.

 

Yes they are and they have very good reason to be serious

about their secrets ~ my take ~ Best,Angelina

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> They are pretty serious about their secrets. He may have had some

> intense spiritual experiences that would confirm " for him " the

> validity of suggested punishments if he were to abrogate his

> agreements. It might be best to just honor his feelings in this. Just

> a thought Pat. For you not having made the agreements there is no

> problem but sometimes inside of Kundalini it is best to stay clear of

> some groups. - just a thought. - chrism

>

> , " Pat "

> <lookinglassaussies@> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you Chrism. Your warning is well taken.

>