Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Two Questions: http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Thank you very much for posting this link...it sure made me understand the issues around the 'experience' of K. When I joined this group, I believe was looking for a lineal process of K. After reading the link page, I now know that this process does not exist. There may be some overlapping symptoms and processes for everyone, but the experience of K will never be the same for everyone, as our realities of our sensory modalities, and beyond, will be processed very differently from individual to individual. I am beginning to understand what 'surrender' really means. I respect for his efforts of not revealing too much for those on the journey, as it may induce a level of suggestion to the person having the experience and the great 'gifts' that K has offered all of us. I find offers advice, 'after' the experience and adds reassurances that it is part of the process. Bless you Chrism. I am at a point where my mind is becoming so vast in thinking that I have left my lineal thinking habits- this all happened after I read the link- it was an Ahhaha moment for me. Thank you Mani!! This has created a blissful feeling that all things can and are possible. That the connection to all things in this universe is real and is a matter of perspective on how you decide to look at things. Take this group for instance- there is a level of synergizes that exist. Thank you Mani for posting this. Blessings Ernie - manig1979 Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:59 AM Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho Two Questions:http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism , " manig1979 " <manigma wrote: > > Two Questions: > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Namaste We are all hypnotists here, (as Osho was) and also, make sure you don't tell anyone else the secret ! (Shhhh...There is no such thing as God !!!) Get your clothes off and lets dance into trance and then make love... Satchitananda ~ jeremy lol :-) > > I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism > > , " manig1979 " <manigma@> wrote: > > > > Two Questions: > > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Sweet Jeremy, I know through direct experience that there is a God. So just to balance your secret a little, I wanted to share that secret as well. lol! Love, dhyana , " jezzwhizz " <jezzwhizz wrote: > > Namaste > > We are all hypnotists here, (as Osho was) and also, make sure you don't tell anyone else the secret ! > (Shhhh...There is no such thing as God !!!) > Get your clothes off > and lets dance into trance > and then make love... > > Satchitananda ~ jeremy > > lol :-) > > > > > > I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism > > > > , " manig1979 " <manigma@> wrote: > > > > > > Two Questions: > > > > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Really? , " chrism " <> wrote: > > I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism > > , " manig1979 " <manigma@> wrote: > > > > Two Questions: > > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 namaste dhyana, Thank you, it's so exciting I feel like a child wanting to try my new bicycle. God Bless, Love and Light ~ jeremy > > Sweet Jeremy, > > I know through direct experience that there > is a God. So just to balance your secret > a little, I wanted to share that secret as > well. lol! > > Love, dhyana > > , " jezzwhizz " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > We are all hypnotists here, (as Osho was) and also, make sure you don't tell anyone else the secret ! > > (Shhhh...There is no such thing as God !!!) > > Get your clothes off > > and lets dance into trance > > and then make love... > > > > Satchitananda ~ jeremy > > > > lol :-) > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism > > > > > > , " manig1979 " <manigma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Two Questions: > > > > > > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 It is yours to discern Dhyana and I offer that as a point of discernment for others not as a self truth for or about me. Feel the veracity of that statement and let your inner guidance guide you towards its truth or its untruth. - chrism , " novalees " <dhyana wrote: > > Really? > > , " chrism " <@> wrote: > > > > I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism > > > > , " manig1979 " <manigma@> wrote: > > > > > > Two Questions: > > > > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 You are? For real? Oh no! I have been caught in your web. Sarita , "chrism" <> wrote:>> I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 The interesting thing for me as I reflect on this is that with the Kundalini certain truths that we take for granted do not appear so true after the changes have come. Such as the priorities of life inside of society. Or in how we relate to ourselves behind our eyes as opposed to in front of others. So much is basically " unreal " in this physical expression and yet it is as real as we need it to be for our progress to form. Progress? Progress to where or to what? To that which cannot be expressed in words. So much is outside of the written and spoken paradigm. Yet these are the tools of truth that we use. And yet are they true? If they cannot describe with accuracy the truth of " What is " can these tools be understood as purveyors of truth? And is that " the " truth, the whole truth so help you God? For me it is all truth. We may not be able to reach the center of truth in the limited life form but it reaches us without blockage. - some thoughts. - chrism , " Sarita " <sarita1969 wrote: > > > <http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824NYUS> You > are? For real? Oh no! I have been caught in your web. [spider 4] > <http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824NYUS> > > Sarita > > > > > , " chrism " > <@> wrote: > > > > I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism > > > <http://smiley.smileycentral.com/download/index.jhtml?partner=ZSzeb097_Z\ > Nxdm824NYUS & utm_id=7925> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Tolle shared about us having the vowels and a few consonants to describe the beauties and mysteries of the universe. How absurd that was. How limited we are when we try to use words. Reminds me of a favorite story: The Fragrance of the Rose The disciples were absorbed in a discussion of Lao-tzu's dictum: " Those who know, do not say; Those who say, do not know. " When the master entered, they asked him what the words meant. Said the master, " Which of you knows the fragrance of a rose? " All of them indicated that they knew. Then he said, " Put it into words. " Love, dhyana , " chrism " <> wrote: > > > So much is basically " unreal " in this physical expression and yet it is as real as we need it to be for our progress to form. Progress? Progress to where or to what? To that which cannot be expressed in words. So much is outside of the written and spoken paradigm. Yet these are the tools of truth that we use. > > And yet are they true? If they cannot describe with accuracy the truth of " What is " can these tools be understood as purveyors of truth? And is that " the " truth, the whole truth so help you God? > > For me it is all truth. We may not be able to reach the center of truth in the limited life form but it reaches us without blockage. - some thoughts. - chrism > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Fragrance of the Rose, " Heaven scent " > The Fragrance of the Rose > > The disciples were absorbed in a discussion of Lao-tzu's > dictum: " Those who know, do not say; > Those who say, do not know. " > When the master entered, > they asked him what the words meant. > Said the master, " Which of you knows the > fragrance of a rose? " > All of them indicated that they knew. > Then he said, " Put it into words. " > > Love, dhyana > > , " chrism " <@> wrote: > > > > > > > So much is basically " unreal " in this physical expression and yet it is as real as we need it to be for our progress to form. Progress? Progress to where or to what? To that which cannot be expressed in words. So much is outside of the written and spoken paradigm. Yet these are the tools of truth that we use. > > > > And yet are they true? If they cannot describe with accuracy the truth of " What is " can these tools be understood as purveyors of truth? And is that " the " truth, the whole truth so help you God? > > > > For me it is all truth. We may not be able to reach the center of truth in the limited life form but it reaches us without blockage. - some thoughts. - chrism > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Dear Dhyana, I am God, or maybe not, maybe my husband is God? Or could you and both be God? If so, is there more than one God? But then maybe I too am telling a lie? Skydancer x , " novalees " <dhyana wrote: > > > Sweet Jeremy, > > I know through direct experience that there > is a God. So just to balance your secret > a little, I wanted to share that secret as > well. lol! > > Love, dhyana > > , " jezzwhizz " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > We are all hypnotists here, (as Osho was) and also, make sure you don't tell anyone else the secret ! > > (Shhhh...There is no such thing as God !!!) > > Get your clothes off > > and lets dance into trance > > and then make love... > > > > Satchitananda ~ jeremy > > > > lol :-) > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism > > > > > > , " manig1979 " <manigma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Two Questions: > > > > > > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 There is more mystery to Life than our human understandings will ever grasp. Love. , " Skydancer " <ionaskydancer wrote: > > Dear Dhyana, > > I am God, or maybe not, maybe my husband is God? Or could you and both be God? If so, is there more than one God? > > But then maybe I too am telling a lie? > > Skydancer x > > , " novalees " <dhyana@> wrote: > > > > > > Sweet Jeremy, > > > > I know through direct experience that there > > is a God. So just to balance your secret > > a little, I wanted to share that secret as > > well. lol! > > > > Love, dhyana > > > > , " jezzwhizz " <jezzwhizz@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > We are all hypnotists here, (as Osho was) and also, make sure you don't tell anyone else the secret ! > > > (Shhhh...There is no such thing as God !!!) > > > Get your clothes off > > > and lets dance into trance > > > and then make love... > > > > > > Satchitananda ~ jeremy > > > > > > lol :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism > > > > > > > > , " manig1979 " <manigma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Two Questions: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Very nice dhyana....that is a very good way of the expression of our experiences. Especially in such a new language, such as English- I believe it was Osho who said that. Linguistics is a limited avenue of expression. Action is far more expressive, especially love and compassion. Thank you and Blessings. Ernie - novalees Friday, March 06, 2009 4:39 PM Re: Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho Tolle shared about us having the vowels and a few consonants to describe the beauties and mysteries of the universe. How absurd that was. How limited we are when we try to use words. Reminds me of a favorite story:The Fragrance of the RoseThe disciples were absorbed in a discussion of Lao-tzu'sdictum: "Those who know, do not say;Those who say, do not know."When the master entered,they asked him what the words meant.Said the master, "Which of you knows thefragrance of a rose?"All of them indicated that they knew.Then he said, "Put it into words."Love, dhyana , "chrism" <> wrote:>> > So much is basically "unreal" in this physical expression and yet it is as real as we need it to be for our progress to form. Progress? Progress to where or to what? To that which cannot be expressed in words. So much is outside of the written and spoken paradigm. Yet these are the tools of truth that we use. > > And yet are they true? If they cannot describe with accuracy the truth of "What is" can these tools be understood as purveyors of truth? And is that "the" truth, the whole truth so help you God? > > For me it is all truth. We may not be able to reach the center of truth in the limited life form but it reaches us without blockage. - some thoughts. - chrism> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 That was great Mani, To me there is little difference in giving shakti pat as in healing and same between healing and teaching. Norm brought me to the understanding of the 5th, then told me I knew all the answers. Working on the fifth body indeed does have its ups and downs. yet still mind boggling, the answers come. I cannot be involved in violence and less I treat it as a game of wits thus bringing it to a higher level towards mutual understanding and agreements, I can eat meat thus being carnivorous thus depleting my sensitivity to the forth and fifth sheaths. smoking hides the sixth by need of healing of physical and interrupts dreaming; continuity of consciousness is lost. though alcohol has no attraction other than communication with those on the third level. mara juana raises the awareness to be clairvoyant on the third and to judge oneself under those circumstances. False Samadhi? how can this be when there are differing levels of Samadhi, though we still must use more and more refinements of cognitive abilities. For me to go to the next level I believe it is smoking of tobacco that has to be resolved. Different understanding will present them selves at times those these understanding will be clothed by certain prejudice's, it should be samyama on the presence of truth that removes such obstacles, it is therefore the knowledge of self should be sought above any siddha. If I was to renounce all commercial activity then I could not teach I could not offer healing in the ways I do now. I would not have an internet account I would not have a bank account, I could not deal with anyone who thought that they was a person. I am 51 now and I am still not ready to become a full sanyassin, many have there claim to being sannyas though in reality they are karma sanyasins still trying to balance there spirituality and physical needs. These people are not without prejudice, they like me and most others still have there own personal objectives, though concerning of those working on the 6th sheath yet may be in the direction of spirit, there dilemma is they do not see beyond atma. You should be able to see this as well, There are many teachers working here and there that see themselves as Atma, this is the ego as it is transmitted from the third eye, They see themselves as a god yet have not as yet been beyond the time space continuum, so are still within the realm of karmic-destiny although there transfiguration towards evolving consciousness should now be from above down as they begin to surrender to the higher impulses. False awakening? Well who cares as long as there is an outlet for expression of the energy. I believe I know who I am what proof do I need to give to anyone but myself. Karma yoga leads to bhakti, guana leads to Bhatia, bhakti leads to karma guana leads to freedom of karma and the expression of dharma, this is the printable of agni yoga. The onset is raising consciousness the expression is to free the soul to become attma and express love. The printable IS Jivamukti (free the soul) Thank you for the post and link. As always In love John .M - manig1979 Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:59 PM Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho Two Questions:http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Waves arise in the ocean and then disappear in the ocean. When the wave arises in the ocean it is still the ocean, as much as it was before it had risen. And then it disappears back into the ocean. Forms arise and disappear, the reality remains as it is. All changes are only appearances. Deep, at the deepest core, nothing ever changes; there it is all the same. Time is a peripheral phenomenon. At the center there is no time, no change, no movement. All is eternal there. Who comes? Who goes? All is as it is. Who borns? Who dies? This coming and going is just a dream. 'Be still and know.' - Osho , " JOHN. M " <john.mathieson1 wrote: > > That was great Mani, > To me there is little difference in giving shakti pat as in healing and same between healing and teaching. > Norm brought me to the understanding of the 5th, then told me I knew all the answers. > Working on the fifth body indeed does have its ups and downs. yet still mind boggling, the answers come. I cannot be involved in violence and less I treat it as a game of wits thus bringing it to a higher level towards mutual understanding and agreements, I can eat meat thus being carnivorous thus depleting my sensitivity to the forth and fifth sheaths. smoking hides the sixth by need of healing of physical and interrupts dreaming; continuity of consciousness is lost. though alcohol has no attraction other than communication with those on the third level. mara juana raises the awareness to be clairvoyant on the third and to judge oneself under those circumstances. > > False Samadhi? how can this be when there are differing levels of Samadhi, though we still must use more and more refinements of cognitive abilities. For me to go to the next level I believe it is smoking of tobacco that has to be resolved. Different understanding will present them selves at times those these understanding will be clothed by certain prejudice's, it should be samyama on the presence of truth that removes such obstacles, it is therefore the knowledge of self should be sought above any siddha. > > If I was to renounce all commercial activity then I could not teach I could not offer healing in the ways I do now. I would not have an internet account I would not have a bank account, I could not deal with anyone who thought that they was a person. I am 51 now and I am still not ready to become a full sanyassin, many have there claim to being sannyas though in reality they are karma sanyasins still trying to balance there spirituality and physical needs. > These people are not without prejudice, they like me and most others still have there own personal objectives, though concerning of those working on the 6th sheath yet may be in the direction of spirit, there dilemma is they do not see beyond atma. You should be able to see this as well, There are many teachers working here and there that see themselves as Atma, this is the ego as it is transmitted from the third eye, They see themselves as a god yet have not as yet been beyond the time space continuum, so are still within the realm of karmic-destiny although there transfiguration towards evolving consciousness should now be from above down as they begin to surrender to the higher impulses. > > False awakening? Well who cares as long as there is an outlet for expression of the energy. I believe I know who I am what proof do I need to give to anyone but myself. > Karma yoga leads to bhakti, guana leads to Bhatia, bhakti leads to karma guana leads to freedom of karma and the expression of dharma, this is the printable of agni yoga. The onset is raising consciousness the expression is to free the soul to become attma and express love. > The printable IS Jivamukti (free the soul) > > Thank you for the post and link. > As always > In love > John .M > - > manig1979 > > Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:59 PM > Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho > > > Two Questions: > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 that is good Mani. though where is the creativity remain in the centre and there is none or why for are thought universe as there aren't need. if there is need better bury head in sand I like Osho though I am getting turned off In love John .M - manig1979 Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:10 PM Re: Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho Waves arise in the ocean and then disappear in the ocean. When the wave arises in the ocean it is still the ocean, as much as it was before it had risen. And then it disappears back into the ocean.Forms arise and disappear, the reality remains as it is. All changes are only appearances. Deep, at the deepest core, nothing ever changes; there it is all the same. Time is a peripheral phenomenon. At the center there is no time, no change, no movement. All is eternal there.Who comes? Who goes? All is as it is.Who borns? Who dies? This coming and going is just a dream.'Be still and know.' - Osho , "JOHN. M" <john.mathieson1 wrote:>> That was great Mani,> To me there is little difference in giving shakti pat as in healing and same between healing and teaching.> Norm brought me to the understanding of the 5th, then told me I knew all the answers.> Working on the fifth body indeed does have its ups and downs. yet still mind boggling, the answers come. I cannot be involved in violence and less I treat it as a game of wits thus bringing it to a higher level towards mutual understanding and agreements, I can eat meat thus being carnivorous thus depleting my sensitivity to the forth and fifth sheaths. smoking hides the sixth by need of healing of physical and interrupts dreaming; continuity of consciousness is lost. though alcohol has no attraction other than communication with those on the third level. mara juana raises the awareness to be clairvoyant on the third and to judge oneself under those circumstances.> > False Samadhi? how can this be when there are differing levels of Samadhi, though we still must use more and more refinements of cognitive abilities. For me to go to the next level I believe it is smoking of tobacco that has to be resolved. Different understanding will present them selves at times those these understanding will be clothed by certain prejudice's, it should be samyama on the presence of truth that removes such obstacles, it is therefore the knowledge of self should be sought above any siddha. > > If I was to renounce all commercial activity then I could not teach I could not offer healing in the ways I do now. I would not have an internet account I would not have a bank account, I could not deal with anyone who thought that they was a person. I am 51 now and I am still not ready to become a full sanyassin, many have there claim to being sannyas though in reality they are karma sanyasins still trying to balance there spirituality and physical needs.> These people are not without prejudice, they like me and most others still have there own personal objectives, though concerning of those working on the 6th sheath yet may be in the direction of spirit, there dilemma is they do not see beyond atma. You should be able to see this as well, There are many teachers working here and there that see themselves as Atma, this is the ego as it is transmitted from the third eye, They see themselves as a god yet have not as yet been beyond the time space continuum, so are still within the realm of karmic-destiny although there transfiguration towards evolving consciousness should now be from above down as they begin to surrender to the higher impulses.> > False awakening? Well who cares as long as there is an outlet for expression of the energy. I believe I know who I am what proof do I need to give to anyone but myself.> Karma yoga leads to bhakti, guana leads to Bhatia, bhakti leads to karma guana leads to freedom of karma and the expression of dharma, this is the printable of agni yoga. The onset is raising consciousness the expression is to free the soul to become attma and express love.> The printable IS Jivamukti (free the soul)> > Thank you for the post and link.> As always> In love> John .M> - > manig1979 > > Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:59 PM> Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho> > > Two Questions:> > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 hehe... here's something for a change A poem by Kabir... 'The secret' Your fragrance delights my mind Such lovely and sweet fragrance you emit No one else in the world is as fragrant as you are Someone said to the flower The flower replied, *blushed* Nay, its nothing The fragrance of Earth is far more sweeter than mine I am nothing in front of it This little bit of fragrance which emits from me was given to me by Mother Earth The Earth is filled with abundant fragrance When Mother Earth was praised Earth replied, *blushed* What am I? I am nothing The real fragrance comes from rain When the rain showers down from the clouds Its fragrance smears deep inside me Without rain, I am just a barren land, a desert If you want to taste the real fragrance Watch the rain clouds gather in the sky There's nothing to be found in me When the Rainclouds were praised They said, *blushed* What are we? The real fragrance comes from Indra (Lord of Rains and Heaven) He asks us to shower and we obey The real fragrance comes from his finger that points us to shower on land When Indra was praised Indra answered, *blushed* I am nothing Its the fragrance of Vishnu The sustainer of all He sustains me as well Whatever fragrance I have, comes from him When Vishnu was praised Vishnu replied, *blushed* No, the creator of everything is Brahma He created me as well And if I wasn't made how could I have emit any fragrance? Brahma is supreme fragrant When Brahma was praised Brahama said *blushed* What am I? My most beloved creation is Man Just like the painting of an artist Poetry of a poet And sculpture of a sculptor Man is my most beloved and most fragrant creation And when Man was asked The Man replied *proudly* You Idiot!! Who else could be more fragrant than me? Are you blind? Can't you see? Can't you see?? The flower is fragrant The earth is fragrant... the whole universe is... But man is not Man is not. Question : A FRIEND ASKS: WE ARE BORN WITH HUNGER, SLEEP AND THIRST, BUT NOT WITH THE THIRST FOR GOD. WHY? It will be useful to understand this thing. The thirst for God, too, comes with our birth, but it takes long to know it. Children, for example, are born with sex, but it takes them fourteen years to know it. Desire for sex comes with their birth, but it takes them fourteen to fifteen years to recognize it. And why does it take so much time? The desire, the thirst is there within you, but the body is not prepared for it. The body takes fourteen years to grow and mature for sex, and then the desire is awakened. Until then it is in a latent state. The thirst for God, too, comes with birth, but the body is not ripe and ready. And as soon as the body is prepared the thirst is aroused. The kundalini provides that growth, that maturity. But you can ask why it does not happen by itself. It does happen sometimes on its own, but this thing needs to be understood carefully.... http://www.balbro.com/iam , " JOHN. M " <john.mathieson1 wrote: > > that is good Mani. though where is the creativity > remain in the centre and there is none or why for are thought universe as there aren't need. > if there is need better bury head in sand > I like Osho though I am getting turned off > In love > John .M > - > manig1979 > > Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:10 PM > Re: Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho > > > Waves arise in the ocean and then disappear in the ocean. When the wave arises in the ocean it is still the ocean, as much as it was before it had risen. And then it disappears back into the ocean. > > Forms arise and disappear, the reality remains as it is. All changes are only appearances. Deep, at the deepest core, nothing ever changes; there it is all the same. Time is a peripheral phenomenon. At the center there is no time, no change, no movement. All is eternal there. > > Who comes? Who goes? All is as it is. > > Who borns? Who dies? This coming and going is just a dream. > > 'Be still and know.' - Osho > > , " JOHN. M " <john.mathieson1@> wrote: > > > > That was great Mani, > > To me there is little difference in giving shakti pat as in healing and same between healing and teaching. > > Norm brought me to the understanding of the 5th, then told me I knew all the answers. > > Working on the fifth body indeed does have its ups and downs. yet still mind boggling, the answers come. I cannot be involved in violence and less I treat it as a game of wits thus bringing it to a higher level towards mutual understanding and agreements, I can eat meat thus being carnivorous thus depleting my sensitivity to the forth and fifth sheaths. smoking hides the sixth by need of healing of physical and interrupts dreaming; continuity of consciousness is lost. though alcohol has no attraction other than communication with those on the third level. mara juana raises the awareness to be clairvoyant on the third and to judge oneself under those circumstances. > > > > False Samadhi? how can this be when there are differing levels of Samadhi, though we still must use more and more refinements of cognitive abilities. For me to go to the next level I believe it is smoking of tobacco that has to be resolved. Different understanding will present them selves at times those these understanding will be clothed by certain prejudice's, it should be samyama on the presence of truth that removes such obstacles, it is therefore the knowledge of self should be sought above any siddha. > > > > If I was to renounce all commercial activity then I could not teach I could not offer healing in the ways I do now. I would not have an internet account I would not have a bank account, I could not deal with anyone who thought that they was a person. I am 51 now and I am still not ready to become a full sanyassin, many have there claim to being sannyas though in reality they are karma sanyasins still trying to balance there spirituality and physical needs. > > These people are not without prejudice, they like me and most others still have there own personal objectives, though concerning of those working on the 6th sheath yet may be in the direction of spirit, there dilemma is they do not see beyond atma. You should be able to see this as well, There are many teachers working here and there that see themselves as Atma, this is the ego as it is transmitted from the third eye, They see themselves as a god yet have not as yet been beyond the time space continuum, so are still within the realm of karmic-destiny although there transfiguration towards evolving consciousness should now be from above down as they begin to surrender to the higher impulses. > > > > False awakening? Well who cares as long as there is an outlet for expression of the energy. I believe I know who I am what proof do I need to give to anyone but myself. > > Karma yoga leads to bhakti, guana leads to Bhatia, bhakti leads to karma guana leads to freedom of karma and the expression of dharma, this is the printable of agni yoga. The onset is raising consciousness the expression is to free the soul to become attma and express love. > > The printable IS Jivamukti (free the soul) > > > > Thank you for the post and link. > > As always > > In love > > John .M > > - > > manig1979 > > > > Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:59 PM > > Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho > > > > > > Two Questions: > > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 very aromatic Change like a sea breeze on a hot day John :-) - manig1979 Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:26 PM Re: Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho hehe... here's something for a changeA poem by Kabir...'The secret'Your fragrance delights my mindSuch lovely and sweet fragrance you emitNo one else in the world is as fragrant as you areSomeone said to the flowerThe flower replied, *blushed*Nay, its nothingThe fragrance of Earth is far more sweeter than mineI am nothing in front of itThis little bit of fragrance which emits from me was given to me by Mother EarthThe Earth is filled with abundant fragranceWhen Mother Earth was praisedEarth replied, *blushed*What am I? I am nothingThe real fragrance comes from rainWhen the rain showers down from the cloudsIts fragrance smears deep inside meWithout rain, I am just a barren land, a desertIf you want to taste the real fragranceWatch the rain clouds gather in the skyThere's nothing to be found in meWhen the Rainclouds were praisedThey said, *blushed*What are we?The real fragrance comes from Indra (Lord of Rains and Heaven)He asks us to shower and we obeyThe real fragrance comes from his fingerthat points us to shower on landWhen Indra was praisedIndra answered, *blushed*I am nothingIts the fragrance of VishnuThe sustainer of allHe sustains me as wellWhatever fragrance I have, comes from himWhen Vishnu was praisedVishnu replied, *blushed*No, the creator of everything is BrahmaHe created me as wellAnd if I wasn't made how could I have emit any fragrance?Brahma is supreme fragrantWhen Brahma was praisedBrahama said *blushed*What am I?My most beloved creation is ManJust like the painting of an artistPoetry of a poetAnd sculpture of a sculptorMan is my most beloved and most fragrant creationAnd when Man was askedThe Man replied *proudly*You Idiot!!Who else could be more fragrant than me?Are you blind? Can't you see?Can't you see??The flower is fragrantThe earth is fragrant... the whole universe is...But man is notMan is not.Question : A FRIEND ASKS: WE ARE BORN WITH HUNGER, SLEEP AND THIRST, BUT NOT WITH THE THIRST FOR GOD. WHY?It will be useful to understand this thing. The thirst for God, too, comes with our birth, but it takes long to know it. Children, for example, are born with sex, but it takes them fourteen years to know it. Desire for sex comes with their birth, but it takes them fourteen to fifteen years to recognize it. And why does it take so much time? The desire, the thirst is there within you, but the body is not prepared for it. The body takes fourteen years to grow and mature for sex, and then the desire is awakened. Until then it is in a latent state.The thirst for God, too, comes with birth, but the body is not ripe and ready. And as soon as the body is prepared the thirst is aroused.The kundalini provides that growth, that maturity.But you can ask why it does not happen by itself. It does happen sometimes on its own, but this thing needs to be understood carefully....http://www.balbro.com/iam--- In , "JOHN. M" <john.mathieson1 wrote:>> that is good Mani. though where is the creativity> remain in the centre and there is none or why for are thought universe as there aren't need.> if there is need better bury head in sand> I like Osho though I am getting turned off> In love > John .M> - > manig1979 > > Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:10 PM> Re: Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho> > > Waves arise in the ocean and then disappear in the ocean. When the wave arises in the ocean it is still the ocean, as much as it was before it had risen. And then it disappears back into the ocean.> > Forms arise and disappear, the reality remains as it is. All changes are only appearances. Deep, at the deepest core, nothing ever changes; there it is all the same. Time is a peripheral phenomenon. At the center there is no time, no change, no movement. All is eternal there.> > Who comes? Who goes? All is as it is.> > Who borns? Who dies? This coming and going is just a dream.> > 'Be still and know.' - Osho> > , "JOHN. M" <john.mathieson1@> wrote:> >> > That was great Mani,> > To me there is little difference in giving shakti pat as in healing and same between healing and teaching.> > Norm brought me to the understanding of the 5th, then told me I knew all the answers.> > Working on the fifth body indeed does have its ups and downs. yet still mind boggling, the answers come. I cannot be involved in violence and less I treat it as a game of wits thus bringing it to a higher level towards mutual understanding and agreements, I can eat meat thus being carnivorous thus depleting my sensitivity to the forth and fifth sheaths. smoking hides the sixth by need of healing of physical and interrupts dreaming; continuity of consciousness is lost. though alcohol has no attraction other than communication with those on the third level. mara juana raises the awareness to be clairvoyant on the third and to judge oneself under those circumstances.> > > > False Samadhi? how can this be when there are differing levels of Samadhi, though we still must use more and more refinements of cognitive abilities. For me to go to the next level I believe it is smoking of tobacco that has to be resolved. Different understanding will present them selves at times those these understanding will be clothed by certain prejudice's, it should be samyama on the presence of truth that removes such obstacles, it is therefore the knowledge of self should be sought above any siddha. > > > > If I was to renounce all commercial activity then I could not teach I could not offer healing in the ways I do now. I would not have an internet account I would not have a bank account, I could not deal with anyone who thought that they was a person. I am 51 now and I am still not ready to become a full sanyassin, many have there claim to being sannyas though in reality they are karma sanyasins still trying to balance there spirituality and physical needs.> > These people are not without prejudice, they like me and most others still have there own personal objectives, though concerning of those working on the 6th sheath yet may be in the direction of spirit, there dilemma is they do not see beyond atma. You should be able to see this as well, There are many teachers working here and there that see themselves as Atma, this is the ego as it is transmitted from the third eye, They see themselves as a god yet have not as yet been beyond the time space continuum, so are still within the realm of karmic-destiny although there transfiguration towards evolving consciousness should now be from above down as they begin to surrender to the higher impulses.> > > > False awakening? Well who cares as long as there is an outlet for expression of the energy. I believe I know who I am what proof do I need to give to anyone but myself.> > Karma yoga leads to bhakti, guana leads to Bhatia, bhakti leads to karma guana leads to freedom of karma and the expression of dharma, this is the printable of agni yoga. The onset is raising consciousness the expression is to free the soul to become attma and express love.> > The printable IS Jivamukti (free the soul)> > > > Thank you for the post and link.> > As always> > In love> > John .M> > - > > manig1979 > > > > Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:59 PM> > Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho> > > > > > Two Questions:> > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 According to Sai Baba, "God equals Man minus ego." Carolyn --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Skydancer <ionaskydancer wrote: Dear Dhyana,I am God, or maybe not, maybe my husband is God? Or could you and both be God? If so, is there more than one God? But then maybe I too am telling a lie?Skydancer x Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "novalees" <dhyana wrote:>> > Sweet Jeremy,> > I know through direct experience that there> is a God. So just to balance your secret> a little, I wanted to share that secret as> well. lol!> > Love, dhyana> > Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , "jezzwhizz" <jezzwhizz@> wrote:> >> > Namaste> > > > We are all hypnotists here, (as Osho was) and also, make sure you don't tell anyone else the secret ! > > (Shhhh...There is no such thing as God !!!)> > Get your clothes off > > and lets dance into trance> > and then make love...> > > > Satchitananda ~ jeremy> > > > lol :-)> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Pictures speak too... yet each of us will see a different view.Oh my goodness.....Who's the rebel?F E E L THE LOVE.................God bless~jeremy > According to Sai Baba, "God equals Man minus ego." > > Carolyn> > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Skydancer ionaskydancer wrote:> I am God, > Skydancer x > > > I know through direct experience that there> > is a God. > > Love, dhyana> > > Get your clothes off > > > and lets dance into trance> > > and then make love...> > > > > > Satchitananda ~ jeremy> > > > > > lol :-)> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 To understand trust, one must experience betrayal. To understand love, one must experience hate. To understand truth, one must experience lies. , " chrism " <> wrote: > > I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism > > , " manig1979 " <manigma@> wrote: > > > > Two Questions: > > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 an admitted liar can never be held respectable to uphold an oath or make a pledge. I also wish to be free from any bondage what so ever so does that make me an liar' It is something to think about. somewhere in the bible it says never swear to an oath yet how many situations pertaining to law do people swear to truthfulness of the bible. then if you swear to the bible how can you do so if you have not read it. and if you have read it and it says do not swear, If you believe it is gospel, how can you swear to it. gee so many seem so silly. Or are we programmed to lie. Through fear, may we dismiss the existence of truth before the cock calls thrice - pmmaniam Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:51 AM Re: Authentic Shaktipat & K : Osho To understand trust, one must experience betrayal.To understand love, one must experience hate.To understand truth, one must experience lies. , "chrism" <> wrote:>> I am absolutely false. - Everything I say is a lie. - chrism> > , "manig1979" <manigma@> wrote:> >> > Two Questions:> > > > http://www.balbro.com/skosho/> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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