Axis Mundi: Experimental Considerations

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This are some insights I gleaned from meditations/visions. Forgive me if they

are vague, but this is work in progress:

 

BELOW THE ROOT CHAKRA: There is a line of energy that connects our root chakra

to the center of the earth. The same line runs along the spine, through the

crown chakra, and then up to the center of the universe (we are talking symbols

here, I don't know that the universe has a geographic center). Many traditional

yoga meditation techniques start with the root chakra. I find that they become

much more powerful if you start with the earth chakra, and then draw that energy

into your root and upwards.

 

After physical death, the axis mundi is the line of light that we are expected

to climb, though most people go through a stage of confusion and are not sure

what to do with it. Only once have I seen a man rise from his discarded etheric

body and climb the line right away. In the vision, the axis mundi was a luminous

spear carried by an angel. When the man reached its top, he became part of a

luminous crown. I assume other entities had joined him at that point (or

vice-versa).

 

ABOVE THE CROWN CHAKRA: Traditional yoga meditations take you to the crown

chakra or the bindu, and then end there. That's a mistake: there is a LOT more

work to be done once you enter the sahasrara.

 

Once your K reaches the crown, it enters a different modality of travel (sorry I

cannot be more specific here, it's still a bit hazy). There are intricate energy

structures above the crown that await to be activated. The process can be pretty

slow, but after a while you'll start seeing lights. The goal is to " aim long and

high " , as I was recently instructed, even as you keep yourself anchored in the

earth chakra. Once you make contact with high levels of this structure, you may

start receiving gifts: absolute, unconditional love and all sorts of good,

highly positive energies may start dripping or, at times, pouring down. Of

course you have to send something positive up the line to get something good in

return.

 

A WORD OF CAUTION: The connection between the crown and the higher levels should

NOT be initiated if the K hasn't infused the first six chakras properly, and if

you are not safely grounded in the earth chakra. If you have never had a spinal

sweep (a full-fledged surge that fries your nerves and blows a couple of bulbs

around the house) don't do it. Working with these energies can take you

dangerously close to the loony bin, even after your K has done the ground work

for you. Please take this warning very, VERY seriously. Based on personal

experience: a premature opening of the crown can result in all sorts of nasty

stuff ranging from entity attacks to the more insidious experience of being

bathed in light even as your mind goes manic and your physical body begins to

shut down. This false enlightenment is not the way things are meant to be, and

will bring no real progress.

 

Namaste,

 

Sel

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That is very interesting reading. Mine was a gradual process like the opening of a flower, although I absolutely knew the moment it happened; and bliss occurred. For me the spinal sweep came after the awakening. Now when the connection is strong, it is sweet and comforting, although there is light and visual phenomenom involved. Perhaps it is because I worked so diligently to clear all my chakras, and let go of what was not serving me before the awakening. Perhaps it is because I did not know what I was seeking, or that I WAS seeking.I don't know. We all have different experiences.BlessingsJulie--- On Sun, 3/15/09, selena255 <selena

wrote:selena255 <selena Axis Mundi: Experimental Considerations Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 10:18 AM

 

This are some insights I gleaned from meditations/ visions. Forgive me if they are vague, but this is work in progress:

 

BELOW THE ROOT CHAKRA: There is a line of energy that connects our root chakra to the center of the earth. The same line runs along the spine, through the crown chakra, and then up to the center of the universe (we are talking symbols here, I don't know that the universe has a geographic center). Many traditional yoga meditation techniques start with the root chakra. I find that they become much more powerful if you start with the earth chakra, and then draw that energy into your root and upwards.

 

After physical death, the axis mundi is the line of light that we are expected to climb, though most people go through a stage of confusion and are not sure what to do with it. Only once have I seen a man rise from his discarded etheric body and climb the line right away. In the vision, the axis mundi was a luminous spear carried by an angel. When the man reached its top, he became part of a luminous crown. I assume other entities had joined him at that point (or vice-versa).

 

ABOVE THE CROWN CHAKRA: Traditional yoga meditations take you to the crown chakra or the bindu, and then end there. That's a mistake: there is a LOT more work to be done once you enter the sahasrara.

 

Once your K reaches the crown, it enters a different modality of travel (sorry I cannot be more specific here, it's still a bit hazy). There are intricate energy structures above the crown that await to be activated. The process can be pretty slow, but after a while you'll start seeing lights. The goal is to "aim long and high", as I was recently instructed, even as you keep yourself anchored in the earth chakra. Once you make contact with high levels of this structure, you may start receiving gifts: absolute, unconditional love and all sorts of good, highly positive energies may start dripping or, at times, pouring down. Of course you have to send something positive up the line to get something good in return.

 

A WORD OF CAUTION: The connection between the crown and the higher levels should NOT be initiated if the K hasn't infused the first six chakras properly, and if you are not safely grounded in the earth chakra. If you have never had a spinal sweep (a full-fledged surge that fries your nerves and blows a couple of bulbs around the house) don't do it. Working with these energies can take you dangerously close to the loony bin, even after your K has done the ground work for you. Please take this warning very, VERY seriously. Based on personal experience: a premature opening of the crown can result in all sorts of nasty stuff ranging from entity attacks to the more insidious experience of being bathed in light even as your mind goes manic and your physical body begins to shut down. This false enlightenment is not the way things are meant to be, and will bring no real progress.

 

Namaste,

 

Sel

[Guest guest]

This is fascinating: you had the opposite process! I suspect this is a way more

rare scenario, is it? Regardless, this probably means that the process may be

initiated from above, but the flow still has to be grounded in the earth (hence

the spinal sweep when your " earthly " K kicked in). The complete cycle seems to

work as a two-way flow, moving up and reaching down as the two energies

constantly seek each other out.

 

Sel

 

 

, Julie <jewelport

wrote:

>

> That is very interesting reading.  Mine was a gradual process like the opening

of a flower, although I absolutely knew the moment it happened; and bliss

occurred. For me the spinal sweep came after the awakening. Now when the

connection is strong, it is sweet and comforting, although there is light and

visual phenomenom involved.  Perhaps it is because I worked so diligently to

clear all my chakras, and let go of what was not serving me before the

awakening.  Perhaps it is because I did not know what I was seeking, or that I

WAS seeking.I don't know.  We all have different experiences.

>

> Blessings

>

> Julie

>

> --- On Sun, 3/15/09, selena255 <selena wrote:

> selena255 <selena

> Axis Mundi: Experimental

Considerations

>

> Sunday, March 15, 2009, 10:18 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

This are some insights I gleaned from meditations/ visions.

Forgive me if they are vague, but this is work in progress:

>

>

>

> BELOW THE ROOT CHAKRA: There is a line of energy that connects our root chakra

to the center of the earth. The same line runs along the spine, through the

crown chakra, and then up to the center of the universe (we are talking symbols

here, I don't know that the universe has a geographic center). Many traditional

yoga meditation techniques start with the root chakra. I find that they become

much more powerful if you start with the earth chakra, and then draw that energy

into your root and upwards.

>

>

>

> After physical death, the axis mundi is the line of light that we are expected

to climb, though most people go through a stage of confusion and are not sure

what to do with it. Only once have I seen a man rise from his discarded etheric

body and climb the line right away. In the vision, the axis mundi was a luminous

spear carried by an angel. When the man reached its top, he became part of a

luminous crown. I assume other entities had joined him at that point (or

vice-versa).

>

>

>

> ABOVE THE CROWN CHAKRA: Traditional yoga meditations take you to the crown

chakra or the bindu, and then end there. That's a mistake: there is a LOT more

work to be done once you enter the sahasrara.

>

>

>

> Once your K reaches the crown, it enters a different modality of travel (sorry

I cannot be more specific here, it's still a bit hazy). There are intricate

energy structures above the crown that await to be activated. The process can be

pretty slow, but after a while you'll start seeing lights. The goal is to " aim

long and high " , as I was recently instructed, even as you keep yourself anchored

in the earth chakra. Once you make contact with high levels of this structure,

you may start receiving gifts: absolute, unconditional love and all sorts of

good, highly positive energies may start dripping or, at times, pouring down. Of

course you have to send something positive up the line to get something good in

return.

>

>

>

> A WORD OF CAUTION: The connection between the crown and the higher levels

should NOT be initiated if the K hasn't infused the first six chakras properly,

and if you are not safely grounded in the earth chakra. If you have never had a

spinal sweep (a full-fledged surge that fries your nerves and blows a couple of

bulbs around the house) don't do it. Working with these energies can take you

dangerously close to the loony bin, even after your K has done the ground work

for you. Please take this warning very, VERY seriously. Based on personal

experience: a premature opening of the crown can result in all sorts of nasty

stuff ranging from entity attacks to the more insidious experience of being

bathed in light even as your mind goes manic and your physical body begins to

shut down. This false enlightenment is not the way things are meant to be, and

will bring no real progress.

>

>

>

> Namaste,

>

>

>

> Sel

>

[Guest guest]

Sel,I disagree that it has to be a nerve frying experience with bulbs burning out to be a full awakening or the spinal sweep Itself that sweeps up opening all of the chakras. Your comments and warnings are well taken.lol lots of love,Anna If you have never had a spinal sweep (a full-fledged surge that fries your nerves and blows a couple of bulbs around the house) don't do it.  

> Namaste,

>

>

>

> Sel

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I see your point. My concern is that there is no sure sign that one's K has gone

up all the way to the crown unless you have had the classic, Gopi-Krishna-style

experience of a thunderbolt shooting up your spine. (And even that may not be

enough to clear all the chakras, BTW). The nerve-frying is optional: it may be

literal at times, but at other times it's just a metaphor for the intensity of

the experience.

 

Basically, the spinal sweep is the one event that cannot be confused with

anything else in the world. It's a benchmark, so to speak. All other signs and

symptoms may be all sorts of things (and this includes the K, of course), but

they are not a definite Yes or No. This is not to discount the experiences of

many folks around here. It's just an invitation to play it safe. If you are 100%

certain that you are ready to take the plunge into your crown chakra, go for it.

 

My caveat stems from the fact that I started doing crown work before I had a

spinal sweep (even though I think my K was trickling up already), and had to

deal with an entity problem for the following 20 years, even after suspending

all meditation etc. Honestly, I am not wishing this kind of experience to

anyone. When dealing with the unknown, it's always better to err on the side of

caution.

 

This said, I am myself learning by trial and mistake. If I make a mess, I know I

can only blame myself (and occasionally call to the rescue, LOL!).

However, I don't want to induce others to do something unsafe--especially since

there are many people on this list who have just started the K process and are

completely new to all of it. That's not the kind of bad karma I need (have

enough of my own to deal with already!)

 

Sel

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The benchmark does not have to fit the Gopi-Krishna-style experience...Anna From: selenaDate: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:50:43 +0000 Re: Axis Mundi: Experimental Considerations

 

 

 

I see your point. My concern is that there is no sure sign that one's K has gone up all the way to the crown unless you have had the classic, Gopi-Krishna-style experience of a thunderbolt shooting up your spine. (And even that may not be enough to clear all the chakras, BTW). The nerve-frying is optional: it may be literal at times, but at other times it's just a metaphor for the intensity of the experience.

 

Basically, the spinal sweep is the one event that cannot be confused with anything else in the world. It's a benchmark, so to speak. All other signs and symptoms may be all sorts of things (and this includes the K, of course), but they are not a definite Yes or No. This is not to discount the experiences of many folks around here. It's just an invitation to play it safe. If you are 100% certain that you are ready to take the plunge into your crown chakra, go for it.

 

My caveat stems from the fact that I started doing crown work before I had a spinal sweep (even though I think my K was trickling up already), and had to deal with an entity problem for the following 20 years, even after suspending all meditation etc. Honestly, I am not wishing this kind of experience to anyone. When dealing with the unknown, it's always better to err on the side of caution.

 

This said, I am myself learning by trial and mistake. If I make a mess, I know I can only blame myself (and occasionally call to the rescue, LOL!). However, I don't want to induce others to do something unsafe--especially since there are many people on this list who have just started the K process and are completely new to all of it. That's not the kind of bad karma I need (have enough of my own to deal with already!)

 

Sel

 

 

 

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Julie,

 

Your words are beautiful and very poetic. You are right: each experience is

unique. However, there must be some basic structures that are common to all. I

have always been fascinated by cosmologies, and would love to figure out

underlying patterns that can be (to some extent) used to replicate experiences

and draw some general conclusions. I don't have the religious faith that many in

this group have; hence, I proceed by exploration, experimentation, and direct

observation rather than surrender. (As a child, I identified with St. Thomas: I

won't believe a thing unless I can verify it for myself. I still don't know why

the poor guy always got the bad rap).

 

No doubt: metaphysics is not physics; however, a comparative approach to this

kind of experiences may help find what is common to all--and perhaps even

establish an approximate map of the micro- and the macrocosm that others may be

able to use. (I am still so incredibly grateful to authors like Mircea Eliade

who began to map these experiences in such a clear, accessible, and no-nonsense

manner!)

 

There is so much information out there on the first 6 chakras, but the reliable

knowledge stops right at the crown (at least it does in the yoga literature I am

familiar with). The information on what happens after you reach the crown is

either missing, or fuzzy enough as not to be really usable. I don't know if this

silence is intentional or if it is due to lack of direct experience, but I am

sure that there are tons of people like myself who have been investing time and

effort on finding their way into this " other " space. We may all have tackled

different aspects of the same path, and hence we all have something important to

contribute.

 

Wouldn't it be great if we could all pool our insights and clarify the path not

just for ourselves, but also for others to come? I don't know that my

understanding is correct--in fact I might be wrong on a variety of accounts.

This is why I welcome feedback and all the knowledge that people can contribute

in creating a basic cosmology that may orient us all (or at least those of us

who would like to be oriented. I am certainly one of them).

 

After all, promoting knowledge is service, too.

 

Sel

[Guest guest]

Sel,The word pabhupati is brought to mind, literally translated as "spouse of God." Once aradhana has cleaned the subconscious, we enter into prabhupati, or mastery of the universe. Simply a state of neutrality. Our motivation is neutral. No finite thing motivates us. Not money, fame, sex, personal advancement. We case to be manipulated by things. We stop being attached to our past, possessions, and hopes. We create and freely act in the highest consciousness of the moment. We sense the Infinite in all things. Nothing motivates us except the sense of the Infinite existence itself. Motivation comes from the center of our being. At this state we begin opening and atuning to the superconsciousness. The conscious mind has merged with the subconscious mind, and there is no

conflict. Everthing is experienced as a harmony even if outward circumstances seem challenging or even disastrous. A person may feel more of the pain of the cosmos, and more of its joy, but rests in the neutral state of mind in the mastery of God. It is the full awakening and integration of compassion into the personality. We can forgive the unforgivable, even if it is directed to ourselves. A kind of vaccum is created, for the law of action and reaction have been transcended. The guiding potential of the supermind in the aura begins to open. Sat Pad is rare. The novice pilot feels they fly and plane and are besieged by complications and hazards. The master pilot feel he actuall flies--the sensations are of himself flying. The master can raise the kundalini and entertain socially at the same time. The novice must pa attention to all his resources while the master may seem

distracted. The master has focused or acted before the novice has figured out there is a problem.There is always MORE to learn.Julie--- On Sun, 3/15/09, selena255 <selena wrote:selena255 <selena Re: Axis Mundi: Experimental Considerations Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 3:48 PM

 

Julie,

 

Your words are beautiful and very poetic. You are right: each experience is unique. However, there must be some basic structures that are common to all. I have always been fascinated by cosmologies, and would love to figure out underlying patterns that can be (to some extent) used to replicate experiences and draw some general conclusions. I don't have the religious faith that many in this group have; hence, I proceed by exploration, experimentation, and direct observation rather than surrender. (As a child, I identified with St. Thomas: I won't believe a thing unless I can verify it for myself. I still don't know why the poor guy always got the bad rap).

 

No doubt: metaphysics is not physics; however, a comparative approach to this kind of experiences may help find what is common to all--and perhaps even establish an approximate map of the micro- and the macrocosm that others may be able to use. (I am still so incredibly grateful to authors like Mircea Eliade who began to map these experiences in such a clear, accessible, and no-nonsense manner!)

 

There is so much information out there on the first 6 chakras, but the reliable knowledge stops right at the crown (at least it does in the yoga literature I am familiar with). The information on what happens after you reach the crown is either missing, or fuzzy enough as not to be really usable. I don't know if this silence is intentional or if it is due to lack of direct experience, but I am sure that there are tons of people like myself who have been investing time and effort on finding their way into this "other" space. We may all have tackled different aspects of the same path, and hence we all have something important to contribute.

 

Wouldn't it be great if we could all pool our insights and clarify the path not just for ourselves, but also for others to come? I don't know that my understanding is correct--in fact I might be wrong on a variety of accounts. This is why I welcome feedback and all the knowledge that people can contribute in creating a basic cosmology that may orient us all (or at least those of us who would like to be oriented. I am certainly one of them).

 

After all, promoting knowledge is service, too.

 

Sel

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Such sweet lucidity Selena! Thank you for your enlightened understandings -

blessings Sel. - chrism

 

, " selena255 " <selena

wrote:

>

> This are some insights I gleaned from meditations/visions. Forgive me if they

are vague, but this is work in progress:

[Guest guest]

Wow.Those of you living with an obviously awakened K are such an enigma to me.  I have been on the mystic's path (at least in my mind) for many years, and though I have had the occasional odd experience, I know that I'm " missing out " on a tremendous amount by not having my own K activated.

I've tried shaktipat once, and looking back, I know it worked based on what happened afterward (long story).  But I guess it went back to sleep since I really had no clue what to do from that point onward.

I'm hoping this time is different, but maybe wanting this so much is actually a block?  But how can I not?  Peace,Morgan

[Guest guest]

I feel such a sweetness of spirit from you....everything will come in to you in time....stay on your path........namaste.............Julie--- On Mon, 3/16/09, Morgan <fizzbyn wrote:Morgan <fizzbynRe: Re: Axis Mundi: Experimental Considerations Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 2:29 PM

 

Wow.Those of you living with an obviously awakened K are such an enigma to me. I have been on the mystic's path (at least in my mind) for many years, and though I have had the occasional odd experience, I know that I'm "missing out" on a tremendous amount by not having my own K activated.

I've tried shaktipat once, and looking back, I know it worked based on what happened afterward (long story). But I guess it went back to sleep since I really had no clue what to do from that point onward.

I'm hoping this time is different, but maybe wanting this so much is actually a block? But how can I not? Peace,Morgan

[Guest guest]

On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Julie <jewelport wrote:

 

 

I feel such a sweetness of spirit from you....everything will come in to you in time....stay on your path........

That's so nice of you to say, Julie.  I feel so disconnected!  I know that kundalini is real, and I've also had a deeksha that gave me four days of a perfectly quiet mind -- and that was over the internet!  It never seems to stick with me long, though.

For any of you out there who have the slightest doubt about whether this mystical " mumbo jumbo " can work, I assure you it definitely, positively does.  I don't know how it works, but it does.

I've been " studying " the idea of faith recently.  I used to hate the word -- it implied, to me, that it requires a suspension of logic, and that seemed horrible!  But last night I was reading one of my favorite books, A Wanderer's Handbook by Carla L. Ruekert (of the Law of One series of books), and found this:

Faith is not something that you may buy or something that you may work towards.  Faith is something that comes to you after you take the leap into empty space.  Once you are falling you feel that emotional parachute and you know what faith truly is, but you must jump first.

I think I finally got it.  Namaste,Morgan