Shamanic K

March 17, 2009

Chrism asked me to post a few considerations on my experiences with shamanic

journeying. I understand that this will be quite " out there " for many list

members, and I apologize if it is a little on the wild side: shamanism is not

everybody's cup of tea, of course. In my case, my K seems to have taken me on

this path, and I find there is much to explore there. The shamanism I practice

is in no way " classic " , but it is a blend of very basic cross-cultural cosmology

and techniques and my own cultural background. I don't borrow from cultures that

have nothing to do with my own life, but let spirits and symbols manifest as

they see it fit. Also, when I look at my experiences and make sense of them, I

try not to take anything for granted (there is a lot of info in books and

websites, but that does not mean it is accurate or should be taken at face

value). One last consideration: spirits and above all deities one meets while

shamanizing are not " God " as we usually like to imagine him/her when we sit in a

church, or a mosque, or a synagogue. Rather, they are more akin to the Hindu

notion of somewhat limited (and personified) manifestations of a Divine Brahman

that cannot be grasped in Its entirety. In this sense, gods and goddesses are

highly powerful and highly knowledgeable intermediaries who help humans on their

quest.

Namaste,

Sel

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Hi Chris,

I know you are superbusy these days, but I am developing a journeying practice

and have a few thoughts I'd like to run by you.

1. Dancing. There is a LOT of dancing involved (I use a drumming mp3 file). Most

of the spirits dance, I dance, everybody dances. I am getting the hunch that

this is not a form of entertainment, but rather something else meant to bring

about results.

2. Shape-shifting. During a journey today, I morphed into three different

animals: an elk with huge horns, a blue bear (which was and was not me), and a

small fluffy chick which then turned into a bird through the help of a god. Is

this instability normal?

3. Spirits and deities. I see TONS of animal spirits (all of them dancing) plus

some cartoon characters (including flying M & M candies, which once helped me

build my antahkarana). Today I had a nice and unexpected encounter with the

Roman god Mars, who helped me grow my wings, learn how to fly, and become an

adult bird. I was very surprised, since I went in trying to reach out to Shiva.

Why Mars? I don't know. This might have to do with my Mediterranean background,

though this is not something I ever pursued. I wonder if there are any

astrological issues involved (I know nothing about astrology).

4. My journeys have some very traditional shamanic features, but much of the

work at this stage is on healing myself and building my antahkarana. I seem to

be conjuring up a very hybrid cosmos that integrates my spiritual quest rather

than simply reflect the pragmatism of traditional shamanism.

March 17, 2009

Hi Selena, I was just reading yesterday, a book by Samuel Aun Weor, " Mysteries

of the Fire (Kundalini Yoga) " and he stated that he was Samuel the Logos of

Mars. He also says he is the initiator (Cosmic Christ) of the New Aquarius Era.

Hehe! That is quiet a bold statment to make about one's self.

Praja-patis or Elohim ....seven serpent dragons of Wisdom - seven planetary

Logos.

(Somewhere else recently I have read that the Elohim in the book of Genesis is

the Seven Spirits surounding the throne of God in Revelation.)

@@Prajapatis: " Progenitors, the givers of life to all on the earth. They are

seven and ten- corresponding to the seven and ten Kabbalistic Sephiroth; to the

Mazdean Amesha Spentas, etc. " @@ I looked up that word (prabhupati) Julie

mentioned in one of her post to you yesterday becasue it looked so similar to

prajapatis. To master the universe or master one's personal universe inside,

one's whole personality would be absorbed into the Innermost (Atman). That would

mean completing the seven degrees of power of the fire (kundalini) in which one

would become christified.

There are seven serpents of Kundalini...seven degrees of power of the fire.

The septenary constitution of the human being is:

1. Atman - the Innermost - relates to 7th chakra

2. Buddhi - the Consciousness, the divine Soul - relates to 6th chakra

3. Superior Manas - - the Human Soul, willpower, Causal Body - relates to 5th

chakra

4. Inferior Manas - the Mind, Mental body - relates to 4th chakra

5. Kama-rupa - the body of desires, the Astral body - relates to 3rd chakra

6. Linga-sarira - the vital (etheric) body - relates to 2nd chakra

7. Sthula-sarira - the physical body - relates to 1st chakra

Each of the seven bodies has its own spinal medulla, its shudhumna-nadi and

Brahmanadi.

One whole personality has to be absorbed into the innermost to become

christified.

For some time now I have been understanding that Shiva is the solar or male

counterpart of Shakti, of which both together are the Holy Spirit, the third

member of the Triune Godhead.

Would that mean the seven planetery logos (the Elohim) would be the begotten

Son, the second member of the God. ??? Also, the man Jesus was the total of all

those seven Logos since he was given the title of Lord of Lord and King of

Kings? Just some of my thoughts about this. I wonder if the seven stars over his

head in the book of Revelations is the symbol of that.

The following is some astralogical, chakra, planet connections I gathered.

1st Chakra Saturn - Capricorn (Earth)

2nd Chakra Pluto-- Scorpio is rule by Pluto and Mars ( water)

3rd Chakra Sun and Mars - Aries - Mars, Leo - Sun (both fire)

4th Chakra Venus --Taurus & Libra Taurus (earth), Libra (air)

5th Chakra Mercury and Jupiter-- Mercury is both Gemini & Virgo's ruling

planet, Jupiter rules Sagittarius - Gemini (air) , Virgo (earth),

Sagittarius (fire)

6th Chakra Neptune -- Pisces is ruled by Neptune & Jupiter - (water)

7th Chakra Uranus

(Cancer is ruled by the moon water sign) I could not find where the moon or

Cancer is connect with one of the chakras, but I would say it would be connected

to the second chakra. It seems more fitting than Pluto to me.

None of these sites I searched mentions the planet Earth or what chakra or

astrological sign it rules. I would say it would be connected to the 1st chakra.

It goes with Capricorn being an Earth sign, too.

The planet Uranus did not have an astrology sign or element connected to it. In

Dhyana's chakra info she has been posting it says the 7th chakras element is

(earth). I am not so sure I would agree with that assessment of Anodea

Judith's. I think maybe the element would be etheric instead.?? esp, after

reading the following:

@@@ THE SEVENTH CHAKRA:

The planet Uranus corresponds to this center of energy. At this level of

awareness you are able to see all events as a reflection of God's Will. (If you

are uncomfortable with the term 'God', then substitute Spirit, Universal Force,

Great Spirit, or however you choose to recognize this divine energy.) When out

of balance, people trying to express this energy can become extremely depressed,

full of obsessive thoughts, and confused. Because this energy/chakra operates at

such a high vibrational frequency one must become selfless. Hanging onto

ego-awareness brings up images of bleakness and morbidness.

HOW TO STRENGTHEN THE 7TH CHAKRA: At this level, one must " become empty to

become full " . Many spiritual writings refer to the body as an empty vessel that

best expresses its spiritual potentials when it allows itself to be moved by

Spirit. Even in the world of sports, there are all kinds of anecdotes by

athletes who claim they suddenly entered a quiet space, and they were able to

perform physical feats that they were not otherwise capable of doing. Many

people on a personal crusade will say that they had no need of sleep or food -

they were driven by Spirit to perform a selfless act that was beneficial to

others. In order for this chakra to function most effectively, one must have a

clear understanding of their purpose for having incarnated upon this planet

Earth.@@@

http://www.astrochakras.com/about.html

I found this interesting about Uranus connection to the seventh chakra.

I looked up info on the Roman god Mars and found that really interesting and how

it connects to all. What astrological sign are you, Selena?

Roman War god- Mars + Greek Aries war god

http://www.meridiangraphics.net/mars.htm

I looked up info on the Roman god Mars and found that really interesting and how

it connects to all. What astrological sign are you, Selena?

Roman War god- Mars + Greek Aries war god

http://www.meridiangraphics.net/mars.htm

Very informative Astrology info, I resonated with what it said about my

astrology sign.

http://www.geocities.com/aries_horoscope_free/rules.html

Where to download Samuel Aun Weor's book if interested in reading.

http://www.americangnosticassociation.com/gnosis/index.php?option=com_docman & tas\

k=cat_view & gid=67 & Itemid=40

My reading that book yesterday plus your post sent me on a tangent. Hehe! If

you don't see any connections , just chalk this up as one of Crazycats' lunatic

posts.

Linda

, " selena255 " <selena

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