Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 John, I'll do my best to demonstrate. Although I am at the mercy of what others see. Should one seek to understand or to be understood? The discussions here are very interesting and the interactions are very pleasant. I want to learn all that I can from this group. There are so few who have experienced the kundalini and are inclined to share their wisdom. I do need the support and I'm grateful to be here. Namaste KB JOHN. M <john.mathieson1 Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:44:52 PMRe: I have lost all faith in people!  ok letucee best wishes John - Zack Nemeth Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:18 AM Re: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! John, I appreciate the playful interaction. It was received in harmony. Warm Regards KB JOHN. M <john.mathieson1@ bigpond.com>Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:59:27 PMRe: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people!  Zack, Just some fun trying to relate a message in harmony with you, The messages in dreams are not always precise chicken shot it seems till you understand the advice In Love John ,M - Zack Nemeth Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:27 AM Re: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! Hey John, Nice poem. I wonder what it would be like, to be truly free. Not to rely on the mind routines and sensory pleasures. I get glimpses of it often and try to be with that awareness before going back to the grind. Sometimes I get visions of being free, of how life would flow without obstructions or forms of resistence. Everyone is like a master who bumbs their glass of water with one hand and catches the glass with the other hand before it shatters on the ground. How quickly we can make an error and then correct it, but what would it be like not to spill that glass. JOHN. M <john.mathieson1@ bigpond.com>Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:23:21 AMRe: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people!  That's Beautiful Zack, Quite often I just live in another world and enjoy the flow within, It may seem selfish to an onlooker. These times it just doesn't seem like there isn't any ego there. Solace is such a joy. Yet the ego cuts in and says I have to share, Seems the ego is just but another conspiracy ploy. so I put on a mask and do what I dare that I have to do and be to learn and understand. Money doesn't mean all that much to me, I never really need a lot of luxury. though I have my dream something like apple pie with cream. Taste is most essential, what else is there in trying to fulfill any dream Many of people that don't know there considered already dead The persona behind the name is all that they seem to see There Minds Duly Fed and timely bled There the aspects created by social security I light Up a smoke as if life is a joke yet wonder...... ......... ......... ..... what life would be like to be truly free John .M - Zack Nemeth Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:08 PM Re: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! This is why I tend to avoid large gatherings of people. People waste so much energy in a state of mind required for socializing as it is most commonly done. "So I hear you got your new tires, how do you like them? Check out my new Nike sneakers, I always get the same color.. Etc." My housemate asked if our other housemate got our supplies for the house, then a few hours later I heard him ask this housemate if he got the supplies. He already knew. The typical social being is commercial, it is a phantom representative which arises out of the situation at hand. It is almost always empty, void of soul content or self-inquiry. The level of this changes depending on how many people gather and how connected each of them are on a personal basis. Most of the time people just don't know what to talk about, they talk about possessions, television drama, trivial judgments about other people's appearance, acquaintances at work and so on. What people say and conclude is rarely more interesting than why they say it and why they conclude it. One on one is a much more enjoyable for me because you get past the mind chatter quickly and into how life is experienced for the other. You get to know their ideas and perspective on things, how they derive their judgments as opposed to what they conclude. It is in this type of situation where I am relaxed. There is much laughter, the conversation becomes a cathartic experience because you experience the self. Where I fail is that I stop even trying to be open to new experiences. Closing myself up prevents opportunities for genuine and fulfilling relationships to come into my life. I stop practicing my social skills and become a bit rusty. My silent and still appearance often makes other people feel uncomfortable. It just usually isn't an enjoyable experience for me. The groupthink social energy comes into my mind and I start chit chatting and agreeing with relative and subjective judgments for the sake of other people's comfort. I've become very adept at reading body language. A person can tell you whatever they want, when they are dishonest their presentation still discloses the truth. Observing how people interact with each other and picking up on these subtleties removes me even further from the social activity because my mind is relaying possible reasons why the scenario is unfolding as it is. In no way am I fooling myself or building myself up in my mind as if I can read other people's minds through their speech and body language. Time and time again my intuition proves to be correct. It is even common for an idea to come to me which has no material or obvious basis, but later on I learn that what I had envisioned correlated entirely with the actuality of things. My experiences with the world, losing faith, a damaged ability to trust or be vulnerable, is the cause of deep suffering.... . I’m denying my life. Once and a while I’ll people who know nothing about the 'spiritual' world, or to be more accurate, its terminology, milestones, paths, or whatever. Yet I can completely vibe with them. We skip the foreplay of the mind and abide joyfully in each other's presence.. Those who do have a developed concept around the spirit are a joy to be around because we very quickly begin to share our presence. The path to getting to know each other is quick, sometimes instantaneous. You can read each other's minds, finish each others thoughts, and skip over the things most people say because they still rely on language or speech to communicate. In most social activities, so much of the mind comes between what people are actually trying to talk about or communicate. Those who do know what is worth talking about already know it cannot really be talked about, nor does it need to be. Everyone uses masks or mechanisms to interface with other minds. I'm aware they are there and are very important to some. They are for the most part irrelevant. Affirming the mask or relying upon the mask is the ego fear or need, but that entire exorcise is part in the process of learning a new deeper way to communicate and experience the self. Many thanks and blessings to you all. KB "Maquerade! Paper faces on paradeMasquerade! Hide your face so the world will never find youMasquerade! Every face a different shadeMasquerade! Look around, there's another mask behind you.Flash of mauveSplash of puceFool and kingGhoul and gooseGreen and blackQueen and priestTrace of rougeFace of beastFaces!Take your turn, take a rideOn the merry-go-roundin an inhuman raceEye of goldThigh of blueTrue is falseWho is who?Curl of lipSwirl of gownAce of heartsFace of clownFaces! Drink it in, drink it upTill you've drownedIn the lightIn the soundBut who can name the face?Masquerade! Grinning yellows, spinning redsMasquerade! Take your fill, let the spectacle astound youMasquerade! Burning glances, turning headsMasquerade! Stop and stare at the sea of smiles around youMasquerade! Seething shadows breathing liesMasquerade! You can fool any friend who ever knew youMasquerade! Leering satyrs, peering eyesMasquerade! Run and hide, but a face will still pursue you. JOHN. M <john.mathieson1@ bigpond.com>Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:25:43 PMRe: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! There is A difference between people who live in honor And PERSONS who are dead fictional commercial entities, It takes time to learn this, It Takes a while to know to live to walk the walk, Some may never know, I am loosing faith also though not in people, only those who hide behind an actors mask. In Love John .M - ntaroiu Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:49 AM [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! I am so,so angry and can't stop crying and it went on most of the day today.Maybe, there are no trustworthy people out there,i don't know!As you all know,i've been busy looking for another apartment since January and so far i've seen about 15 apartments and for a reason or another,i liked none of those.Last week on Friday,i went to see a duplex and i liked it and i wanted to put a deposit on it but the owner said that he trusts me and that he will talk to his attorney on monday for the lease and so it began.My anguish that is!I waited until 4pm on Monday and no phone call,so i called him but he said that he didn't talk to his attorney yet.Today i called again but got a voicemail and told him that i needed to find out if he wants me as a tenant or not because i need to look for another apartment if not.I've lost all faith,all i want to do is curl up in some corner somewhere and die!love,nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 I am grateful for both of you and every member being here. Blssings to this group! - chrism , Zack Nemeth <karmaburn8 wrote: want to learn all that I can from this group. There are so few who have experienced the kundalini and are inclined to share their wisdom. I do need the support and I'm grateful to be here. > > Namaste > KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Gee the boomerang gotta fly around before it come back. so it seems I have aboriginality though as yet the true dreaming I do not know, Freedom will come dreaming will also. patients with me patients with you we will all come along to know whats true. Phewy I gotta stop thinking in rhymes and using words with double and triple meanings Thanks chrism, thanks zack In love John .M - Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:36 AM Re: I have gained trust in the self I am grateful for both of you and every member being here. Blssings to this group! - chrism , Zack Nemeth <karmaburn8 wrote:want to learn all that I can from this group. There are so few who have experienced the kundalini and are inclined to share their wisdom. I do need the support and I'm grateful to be here.> > Namaste> KB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009  To seek to be understood or to understand others is not the full picture, direct knowledge is why we have to come to have full trust in our selves. To fully know ourselfs then no one can fool us out of our worth or value, also we gain knowledge of others worth and value. As such we become as kings. Om namaha shivaya. Swami Jaganatha - Zack Nemeth Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:31 AM Re: I have gained trust in the self John, I'll do my best to demonstrate. Although I am at the mercy of what others see. Should one seek to understand or to be understood? The discussions here are very interesting and the interactions are very pleasant. I want to learn all that I can from this group. There are so few who have experienced the kundalini and are inclined to share their wisdom. I do need the support and I'm grateful to be here. Namaste KB JOHN. M <john.mathieson1 (AT) bigpond (DOT) com> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:44:52 PMRe: I have lost all faith in people!  ok letucee best wishes John - Zack Nemeth Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:18 AM Re: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! John, I appreciate the playful interaction. It was received in harmony. Warm Regards KB JOHN. M <john.mathieson1@ bigpond.com>Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:59:27 PMRe: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people!  Zack, Just some fun trying to relate a message in harmony with you, The messages in dreams are not always precise chicken shot it seems till you understand the advice In Love John ,M - Zack Nemeth Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:27 AM Re: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! Hey John, Nice poem. I wonder what it would be like, to be truly free. Not to rely on the mind routines and sensory pleasures. I get glimpses of it often and try to be with that awareness before going back to the grind. Sometimes I get visions of being free, of how life would flow without obstructions or forms of resistence. Everyone is like a master who bumbs their glass of water with one hand and catches the glass with the other hand before it shatters on the ground. How quickly we can make an error and then correct it, but what would it be like not to spill that glass. JOHN. M <john.mathieson1@ bigpond.com>Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:23:21 AMRe: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people!  That's Beautiful Zack, Quite often I just live in another world and enjoy the flow within, It may seem selfish to an onlooker. These times it just doesn't seem like there isn't any ego there. Solace is such a joy. Yet the ego cuts in and says I have to share, Seems the ego is just but another conspiracy ploy. so I put on a mask and do what I dare that I have to do and be to learn and understand. Money doesn't mean all that much to me, I never really need a lot of luxury. though I have my dream something like apple pie with cream. Taste is most essential, what else is there in trying to fulfill any dream Many of people that don't know there considered already dead The persona behind the name is all that they seem to see There Minds Duly Fed and timely bled There the aspects created by social security I light Up a smoke as if life is a joke yet wonder...... ......... ......... ..... what life would be like to be truly free John .M - Zack Nemeth Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:08 PM Re: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! This is why I tend to avoid large gatherings of people. People waste so much energy in a state of mind required for socializing as it is most commonly done. "So I hear you got your new tires, how do you like them? Check out my new Nike sneakers, I always get the same color.. Etc." My housemate asked if our other housemate got our supplies for the house, then a few hours later I heard him ask this housemate if he got the supplies. He already knew. The typical social being is commercial, it is a phantom representative which arises out of the situation at hand. It is almost always empty, void of soul content or self-inquiry. The level of this changes depending on how many people gather and how connected each of them are on a personal basis. Most of the time people just don't know what to talk about, they talk about possessions, television drama, trivial judgments about other people's appearance, acquaintances at work and so on. What people say and conclude is rarely more interesting than why they say it and why they conclude it. One on one is a much more enjoyable for me because you get past the mind chatter quickly and into how life is experienced for the other. You get to know their ideas and perspective on things, how they derive their judgments as opposed to what they conclude. It is in this type of situation where I am relaxed. There is much laughter, the conversation becomes a cathartic experience because you experience the self. Where I fail is that I stop even trying to be open to new experiences. Closing myself up prevents opportunities for genuine and fulfilling relationships to come into my life. I stop practicing my social skills and become a bit rusty. My silent and still appearance often makes other people feel uncomfortable. It just usually isn't an enjoyable experience for me. The groupthink social energy comes into my mind and I start chit chatting and agreeing with relative and subjective judgments for the sake of other people's comfort. I've become very adept at reading body language. A person can tell you whatever they want, when they are dishonest their presentation still discloses the truth. Observing how people interact with each other and picking up on these subtleties removes me even further from the social activity because my mind is relaying possible reasons why the scenario is unfolding as it is. In no way am I fooling myself or building myself up in my mind as if I can read other people's minds through their speech and body language. Time and time again my intuition proves to be correct. It is even common for an idea to come to me which has no material or obvious basis, but later on I learn that what I had envisioned correlated entirely with the actuality of things. My experiences with the world, losing faith, a damaged ability to trust or be vulnerable, is the cause of deep suffering.... . I’m denying my life. Once and a while I’ll people who know nothing about the 'spiritual' world, or to be more accurate, its terminology, milestones, paths, or whatever. Yet I can completely vibe with them. We skip the foreplay of the mind and abide joyfully in each other's presence.. Those who do have a developed concept around the spirit are a joy to be around because we very quickly begin to share our presence. The path to getting to know each other is quick, sometimes instantaneous. You can read each other's minds, finish each others thoughts, and skip over the things most people say because they still rely on language or speech to communicate. In most social activities, so much of the mind comes between what people are actually trying to talk about or communicate. Those who do know what is worth talking about already know it cannot really be talked about, nor does it need to be. Everyone uses masks or mechanisms to interface with other minds. I'm aware they are there and are very important to some. They are for the most part irrelevant. Affirming the mask or relying upon the mask is the ego fear or need, but that entire exorcise is part in the process of learning a new deeper way to communicate and experience the self. Many thanks and blessings to you all. KB "Maquerade! Paper faces on paradeMasquerade! Hide your face so the world will never find youMasquerade! Every face a different shadeMasquerade! Look around, there's another mask behind you.Flash of mauveSplash of puceFool and kingGhoul and gooseGreen and blackQueen and priestTrace of rougeFace of beastFaces!Take your turn, take a rideOn the merry-go-roundin an inhuman raceEye of goldThigh of blueTrue is falseWho is who?Curl of lipSwirl of gownAce of heartsFace of clownFaces! Drink it in, drink it upTill you've drownedIn the lightIn the soundBut who can name the face?Masquerade! Grinning yellows, spinning redsMasquerade! Take your fill, let the spectacle astound youMasquerade! Burning glances, turning headsMasquerade! Stop and stare at the sea of smiles around youMasquerade! Seething shadows breathing liesMasquerade! You can fool any friend who ever knew youMasquerade! Leering satyrs, peering eyesMasquerade! Run and hide, but a face will still pursue you. JOHN. M <john.mathieson1@ bigpond.com>Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:25:43 PMRe: [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! There is A difference between people who live in honor And PERSONS who are dead fictional commercial entities, It takes time to learn this, It Takes a while to know to live to walk the walk, Some may never know, I am loosing faith also though not in people, only those who hide behind an actors mask. In Love John .M - ntaroiu Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:49 AM [Kundalini-Awakenin g-Systems- 1] I have lost all faith in people! I am so,so angry and can't stop crying and it went on most of the day today.Maybe, there are no trustworthy people out there,i don't know!As you all know,i've been busy looking for another apartment since January and so far i've seen about 15 apartments and for a reason or another,i liked none of those.Last week on Friday,i went to see a duplex and i liked it and i wanted to put a deposit on it but the owner said that he trusts me and that he will talk to his attorney on monday for the lease and so it began.My anguish that is!I waited until 4pm on Monday and no phone call,so i called him but he said that he didn't talk to his attorney yet.Today i called again but got a voicemail and told him that i needed to find out if he wants me as a tenant or not because i need to look for another apartment if not.I've lost all faith,all i want to do is curl up in some corner somewhere and die!love,nicole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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