meditation and hypnosis

[Guest guest]

Hi All – the subject of hypnosis was raised a while ago primarily in the context

of healing. The clinical use of hypnosis in the medical context is wide spread,

well documented and particularly effective.

 

Hypnosis has many similarities to meditation in terms of preparation,

relaxation, breathing, and focus, together with brain-wave activity for subjects

in both deep meditation and hypnosis. As hypnosis is, in essence,

autosuggestion and therefore effected by the `subject' but facilitated by the

hypnotist, the `seeker' under hypnosis is always in control. Michael Newton in

his book Journey of Souls reports taking subjects into a state of super

consciousness during hypnotic regression and thereby accessing and conversing

with their `souls'. The consistency of Newton's findings is strong adding

credibility to his findings and interpretations.

 

Attaining a state of super consciousness or Samadhi through meditation is

extremely difficult. It would appear that hypnosis provides a fast and

effective route in this regard. Most of us here are, in general, seeking

enlightenment, self-realisation and divine communication. Obviously such

development and making positive progress in achieving those objectives must be

tempered by adequate and ongoing preparation through the safeties and practice

as taught by chrism to ensure that we can adequately `cope' with the progression

(by analogy much akin to having to train adequately to run an ultra-marathon

without doing serious damage!).

 

Has anyone here actually used hypnosis as a development tool in this light? If

so what were your findings? Did the hypnosis route bring with it any `side

effects'? How effective was it?

 

If this is `grey' area for the members, chrism your insight would be much

appreciated as usual! Is hypnosis, if used correctly, a viable and practical

tool to achieve that link with the super consciousness and thereby aid

understanding and progression?

 

Blessings - Jonathan

[Guest guest]

Hi Jonathan

 

I'm an hypnotherapist, and i became so cause it changed my life! 180 degree,

i'm doing self hypnosis every day and Hypnosis is basically a guided meditation,

 

i have dealt with chronicle pain to the spinal cord, addiction, self esteem

,negative thinking, awakening the chakras, sleep disorder, (i was spleeping 10

to 12 hours a day and now 6 to 8 and 1 hour meditation everyday) and the list

goes on ... i have about 40 gig of material about hypnosis,

 

feel free to ask ,

 

Namaste

Tommy

 

 

Side effect= blissful joy! freedom and feel in control over my mind!

 

, " jonrow_2914 "

<jrowland wrote:

>

> Hi All – the subject of hypnosis was raised a while ago primarily in the

context of healing. The clinical use of hypnosis in the medical context is wide

spread, well documented and particularly effective.

>

> Hypnosis has many similarities to meditation in terms of preparation,

relaxation, breathing, and focus, together with brain-wave activity for subjects

in both deep meditation and hypnosis. As hypnosis is, in essence,

autosuggestion and therefore effected by the `subject' but facilitated by the

hypnotist, the `seeker' under hypnosis is always in control. Michael Newton in

his book Journey of Souls reports taking subjects into a state of super

consciousness during hypnotic regression and thereby accessing and conversing

with their `souls'. The consistency of Newton's findings is strong adding

credibility to his findings and interpretations.

>

> Attaining a state of super consciousness or Samadhi through meditation is

extremely difficult. It would appear that hypnosis provides a fast and

effective route in this regard. Most of us here are, in general, seeking

enlightenment, self-realisation and divine communication. Obviously such

development and making positive progress in achieving those objectives must be

tempered by adequate and ongoing preparation through the safeties and practice

as taught by chrism to ensure that we can adequately `cope' with the progression

(by analogy much akin to having to train adequately to run an ultra-marathon

without doing serious damage!).

>

> Has anyone here actually used hypnosis as a development tool in this light?

If so what were your findings? Did the hypnosis route bring with it any `side

effects'? How effective was it?

>

> If this is `grey' area for the members, chrism your insight would be much

appreciated as usual! Is hypnosis, if used correctly, a viable and practical

tool to achieve that link with the super consciousness and thereby aid

understanding and progression?

>

> Blessings - Jonathan

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I am a trained hypnotherapist with 6 years experience working with paying clients. One of the most effective tools for certain clients who are unsure or frightened mainly by the bad press the state of hypnosis sometimes gets, is to write the script out for the client, that I would use with them, or at least a part of it, and get them to make thier own tape of the words in thier own voice. The reason being is that as a hypnotherapist I am making suggestions to the client, that he or she is always able to accept or reject as I speak, and sometimes people are unable to take instruction from another, for what ever reason. However, in all our lives we continually talk to ourselves with our own voice, (positive or negative), either out loud or in our heads and

therefore the suggestions most likly to be accepted are the ones we give ourselves with our own voice. So if anyone is having trouble with meditation, just make a voice recording with thier affermations in an aware state, so the right emphasis can be given to the words and then listen to it when meditating. It sometime helps with sleep or if you are in a noisy environment. It also helps if someone comes to interrupt you, they think you are listening and will leave you alone. lol.Hypnosis is a state of mental relaxation, you pass through the medically termed hypnogogic or hypnopompic states on your way to or from sleep or unconsciousness. It is the state when you are sometimes having "waking dreams", when you are focused, ie watching the TV and you dont hear someone enter the room. It is a highly normal state and you pass in and out about 30 to 40 times a day, naturally. Think about driving, the same old

route to work, but you intend to stop off on the way, suddenly your at work! You drove in a state of hypnosis, eyes wide open fully aware and in control. If someone had braked hard in front of you, you would have instantly reacted, so use this natural state and make positive suggestions to yourself, you are much more likely to accept them. Hugs from Spain.jonrow_2914 <jrowland Sent: Wednesday, 13 May, 2009

16:19:29 meditation and hypnosis

 

Hi All – the subject of hypnosis was raised a while ago primarily in the context of healing. The clinical use of hypnosis in the medical context is wide spread, well documented and particularly effective.

 

Hypnosis has many similarities to meditation in terms of preparation, relaxation, breathing, and focus, together with brain-wave activity for subjects in both deep meditation and hypnosis. As hypnosis is, in essence, autosuggestion and therefore effected by the `subject' but facilitated by the hypnotist, the `seeker' under hypnosis is always in control. Michael Newton in his book Journey of Souls reports taking subjects into a state of super consciousness during hypnotic regression and thereby accessing and conversing with their `souls'. The consistency of Newton's findings is strong adding credibility to his findings and interpretations.

 

Attaining a state of super consciousness or Samadhi through meditation is extremely difficult. It would appear that hypnosis provides a fast and effective route in this regard. Most of us here are, in general, seeking enlightenment, self-realisation and divine communication. Obviously such development and making positive progress in achieving those objectives must be tempered by adequate and ongoing preparation through the safeties and practice as taught by chrism to ensure that we can adequately `cope' with the progression (by analogy much akin to having to train adequately to run an ultra-marathon without doing serious damage!).

 

Has anyone here actually used hypnosis as a development tool in this light? If so what were your findings? Did the hypnosis route bring with it any `side effects'? How effective was it?

 

If this is `grey' area for the members, chrism your insight would be much appreciated as usual! Is hypnosis, if used correctly, a viable and practical tool to achieve that link with the super consciousness and thereby aid understanding and progression?

 

Blessings - Jonathan

[Guest guest]

Hypnosis and meditation are the same state of consciousness. Both are trance.

The only real difference is that with hypnosis you are given suggestions and in

meditation you are not….in meditation the goal is to silence the mind.

 

Hypnosis works by " the power of the mind " , belief, it is not magic or control.

Hypnosis works on the premise that you can change your body, mind, thoughts,

feelings, etc, just by changing your beliefs.

 

The two basic elements of hypnosis,

1

Put a person (or yourself) into trance. (same as meditation)

2

Offer the person (or yourself) suggestions.

 

That is it…that is all there is to it. Well of course there is a whole lot of

technique and skill involved.

 

Questions,

Can you enter samadi or other higher states of consciousness just by believing

that you can?

 

Answer,

I think so.

 

However I have no real proof.

 

Look at it this way…We are all brought up in a culture that tells us what is

good and what is bad, what is possible and what is not. We base our lives on

these base level assumptions. If we learn from our parents, friends, TV, music

and everywhere else that something is not possible we will most likely believe

it. You can say we were " hypnotized " into the belief.

 

What if we truly believe that we can easily transcend our limits, our pain and

hurt and greed and fear and all of our other issues and that God or our higher

self is working to help us do this right now and that higher states of

consciousness are right here right now and that all we have to do is relax into

them and in our dreams we work our ego based issues and our unconscious mind now

picks up that job during the day and in just a week or two we will be full

enlightened in a way that feels right and good and natural to us and we can

easily share this with others as easily as two lovers sharing a smile.

 

WHAT IF YOU DEEPLY TRULY BELIEVE THE ABOVE?

 

Would it happen?

 

Maybe!

 

 

 

One of my favorite quotes,

Fight for your limitations and they will be yours

 

Rich

[Guest guest]

lOVE YOUR OBSERVATION !! Rich

 

enlightment IS a state of trance , in which you are blissful, living happy , and

grateful to life and every one in it!!

 

 

Watch your thoughts, for they become words.

Watch your words, for they become actions.

Watch your actions, for they become habits.

Watch your habits, for they become characters.

Watch your characters, for they become your destiny.

-Gandhi

 

 

 

, " Richard Eisenberg "

<Pyaar333 wrote:

>

> Hypnosis and meditation are the same state of consciousness. Both are trance.

The only real difference is that with hypnosis you are given suggestions and in

meditation you are not….in meditation the goal is to silence the mind.

>

> Hypnosis works by " the power of the mind " , belief, it is not magic or control.

Hypnosis works on the premise that you can change your body, mind, thoughts,

feelings, etc, just by changing your beliefs.

>

> The two basic elements of hypnosis,

> 1

> Put a person (or yourself) into trance. (same as meditation)

> 2

> Offer the person (or yourself) suggestions.

>

> That is it…that is all there is to it. Well of course there is a whole lot of

technique and skill involved.

>

> Questions,

> Can you enter samadi or other higher states of consciousness just by believing

that you can?

>

> Answer,

> I think so.

>

> However I have no real proof.

>

> Look at it this way…We are all brought up in a culture that tells us what is

good and what is bad, what is possible and what is not. We base our lives on

these base level assumptions. If we learn from our parents, friends, TV, music

and everywhere else that something is not possible we will most likely believe

it. You can say we were " hypnotized " into the belief.

>

> What if we truly believe that we can easily transcend our limits, our pain

and hurt and greed and fear and all of our other issues and that God or our

higher self is working to help us do this right now and that higher states of

consciousness are right here right now and that all we have to do is relax into

them and in our dreams we work our ego based issues and our unconscious mind now

picks up that job during the day and in just a week or two we will be full

enlightened in a way that feels right and good and natural to us and we can

easily share this with others as easily as two lovers sharing a smile.

>

> WHAT IF YOU DEEPLY TRULY BELIEVE THE ABOVE?

>

> Would it happen?

>

> Maybe!

>

>

>

> One of my favorite quotes,

> Fight for your limitations and they will be yours

>

> Rich

>

[Guest guest]

I would say that the use of hypnosis in this context would not be particulary

beneficial. Not because of any value judgment merely because it presumes that a

persons body and five sense consciousness is ready for this to occur all from

the perspective of an ego based five sense reality approach.

 

Much occurs for a person in the practice of the safeties which is not stated

within them. There are " compressions " of information and conditioning. They

condition each of the expressive bodies in its own natural way of application of

those conditionings.

 

Much the same way that we physically condition for a marathion, to use your

example Jonothan, by running and increasing our muscles and endurance levels so

do the safeties build muscles in the emotional body for instance or the mental

or the ego body by tempering its expression.

 

When these areas have experienced refinement by virtue of the safeties the

Kundalini flow or the " hook up " to the super consciousness can occur without as

much stress and strain by the individual expressive components of a human being.

 

There are some natural " fail safes " via Higher Consciousness as well. Meaning no

matter what a person does they will not be able to come into these expressions

without some kind of conditioning.

 

Some areas can be experienced by hypnotic suggestion such as OBE's and or other

remembrances. But great care must be given when introducing another to areas of

interaction that they may not be ready to handle regardless of what their ego

may tell you. Entities for example can elicit a primal fear that can take much

time to over come if at all. Or phantome pains and illnesses.

 

Its not all cherry blossoms and floating monks lol! Much of it can be though

when the frequencies of multi platformed love have been given and received. -

lol! - just my take. - chrism

[Guest guest]

It is a nice and neat premise Richard and I do agree to a certain degree.

Meditation and trance may not always be the same though they have similarities

yet this is merely my exerience with them.

 

Meditation isnt always about " stilling the mind. " There are many kinds of

meditations and some of them are not about stilling the mind but of working with

the emotions which can require a direct use of the mind inside of that

particular emotional meditation.

 

I do enjoy the simplicity of your premise though and in the Kundalini context

would be supportive of a person using trance to enhance a conscious daily

practice of the safeties. Not for Kundalini activation or awakening though as I

have indicated in another post relevant to this one. - blessings to you Richard

Eisenberg. - chrism

[Guest guest]

Yes, absolutly!

 

Hypnosis can help with anything that can be helped with the power of belief.

And belief can be a very powerful thing, but it has its limits.

[Guest guest]

Yes my premise was a bit simplistic…just making a point. My point being, belief

is a very powerful thing and hypnosis is a way of engaging that power. I did

not really mean that we can reach full enlightenment just by using hypnosis and

suggesting it to a person in trance.

 

Still hypnosis can be helpful in making mental and emotional change but, as you

wrote, not for K activation. Still in many aspects of awakening it may be

helpful.

 

rich

[Guest guest]

I think they arise from different levels. Our ability to access trance states

is connected to our ability to experience rhythm. We needed that ability to go

into trance when we lived on the veldt and used it to both remain quiet on long

hunts and to ignore hunger in lean times. The K exists at all levels from

physical to spiritual and while parts of activation include rhythmic parts

(kriyas, vibrations, etc.) it is so much more. IMHO. I wonder what Chrism

would say though?

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

, " Richard Eisenberg "

<Pyaar333 wrote:

>

> Yes my premise was a bit simplistic…just making a point. My point being,

belief is a very powerful thing and hypnosis is a way of engaging that power. I

did not really mean that we can reach full enlightenment just by using hypnosis

and suggesting it to a person in trance.

>

> Still hypnosis can be helpful in making mental and emotional change but, as

you wrote, not for K activation. Still in many aspects of awakening it may be

helpful.

>

> rich

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jonathan,

I've used self hypnosis while meditating for a while now. For me, deep

meditation and hypnosis are practically the same.

For me, when going into a hypnotic state, my focus is driven by my strongest

modality (visual) and I then add the others as secondaries to that and later on

bring in all other modalities all equal in sensation. Focus on a spot or a

picture....look at the detail...keep that in mind as you close your eyes and

continue to visual the object...etc...Begin to let your mind wonder to a problem

are in your life...what you wish to achieve...picture yourself already having

what you desire and what it would look like....what do you sound like when you

have your desired result...how do you feel....look back now on where you started

and how easy it was to achieve what you wanted....

With deep meditation, I use a kinethetic (feeling) modality first, then the

others. Eg. Feel your breath through your nose...and with each breath how it

expands your lungs...and while you exhale, feel your lungs collapsing and the

air moving out through your body...visual the breath now and how it cool it

feels entering your nose, down *deep* to your lungs....etc....visualize it as a

cool mist from the heavens as it fills your lungs...as you exhale, visualize

dark unwanted energy expelling from within...Hope this makes " sense " for

you...lol.

It's just a matter of the order which I use, but the result can be the same.

When I meditate and pray and after I go through the breathing excercise, I

usually visualize a peaceful place...with water flowing...I'm on green grass

ground and it is cool, yet soft...the sky is blue and the sun is shining.... I

can hear a faint trace of wind blowing through the trees..as I feel the silky

wind blowing ever so softly against my face cooling it from the suns heat....I

see a deity/saint/prophet/Jesus/Mary etc. in front of me...they sit with me and

begin to speak to me...they put their arms around me as we engaging in a loving

conversation...we speak in length of my issues, problems, desires...they guide

me...we pray together ...they bless me with the grace of the Holy Spirit...they

touch me and a surge of energy fills my heart chakra.

 

So when I go into deep trance or meditation, I bring all my modalities into play

to obtain the most real experience I can obtain...Give it a go and let me know

what you experience.

Just imagine the endless possibilities that lay within...you can travel to the

end of the universe and back in a blink of an eye...speak to whom ever you

wish...be whom ever you wish to be....be the person you wish to be...etc.

The inner world is far greater and vast than the physical world that we know as

our 'reality'. That is my most valued part of meditating...going deep within to

explore ALL possibilities.

 

Blessings,

Ernie

 

, " jonrow_2914 "

<jrowland wrote:

>

 

>

> Has anyone here actually used hypnosis as a development tool in this light?

If so what were your findings? Did the hypnosis route bring with it any `side

effects'? How effective was it

>

 

>

> Blessings - Jonathan

>

[Guest guest]

I don't feel a true connection to kundalini using hypnosis . The mind is a

wonderful creation , but to use hypnosis , in my opinion would be an ego trip .

I believe the mind can create many wonderful vistas , when one meditates but

kundalini is really beyond the mind trip .

 

In my experience kundalini will just take me into samadhi while I sit with a

still mind . It really gives me a true understanding of why true masters , such

as chrism and others , need to have attachments in order to stay within the

physical body to instruct others .

[Guest guest]

most the hypnosis like Silva ultra mind system and center point which are more famous among other are good they took u in deep meditation like delta and theta but they have issue they try to control you u they give message to you sub concussion mind not go beyond that. Not every person body can handle that type of things I see few cases which get negative effect and there life get mess. What I suggest go the natural way which follows for thousands of year.=====================Posted through Grouply, the better wayto access your like this one.http://www.grouply.com/?code=post

[Guest guest]

As a retired professional stage hypnotist and also a hypnotherapist with a doctorate in hypnosis; I was involved in this profession from 1989 - over 20 years ago. During the mid 1990's I experienced Samadhi from meditation, and at that time was practicing Raja yoga. It was from meditation NOT hypnosis that my kundalini awakened. I have the following to say about hypnosis.

Swami Vivekananda

Acknowledged as the foremost of Sri Ramakrishna's many notable disciples, both lay and monastic, Swami Vivekananda was an illumined being of the highest order. As the forerunner who brought the spiritual teachings of India to the West in 1893 at the convening of the Parliament of Religions in Chicago, he has greatly influenced the last hundred years of spiritual growth in Europe and America.

Swami Vivekananda mentions hypnosis in his commentaries, "think of the mind like a team of wild horses, and rather than controlling them through muscular strength and taking hold of the reins, you ask another to hit them on the head to stun them into a submissive state for a short period of time. Each time another stuns the horses into submission the person loses an amount of their own mental energy. From continued regular sessions of hypnosis from another person, entering into this docile state, instead of gaining power and better control, the mind can become a shapeless powerless mass eventually leading to the mental asylum."

Hypnosis is a form of trespass upon another's consciousness. Repeated hypnosis, and the negative effects it produces, can eventually derange the brain cells.

Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a sort of psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by an aesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often subjected to it; a negative psychological effect ensues that in time deranges the brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory of another's consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the miracles performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda)

If another person's will is continually imposed upon you via hypnotic techniques, that energy from their will, forcing control over your mind or bodily functions, only hammers in another nail to your own bondage of being a slave to your senses, and hinders you from becoming a master of yourself. Also, there are other unconscious suggestions that are entering your subconscious that you are not even aware of.

My own personal belief that the ajna chakra is partly stunned in hypnosis, and the over activation of the lower charkas I feel is also expressed by Madam H. P. Blavatsky. XII(p.565

"A good clairvoyant moreover, if he had an opportunity of seeing a Yogi in the trance state and a mesmerized subject, side by side, would learn an important Quaternary disappear entirely. Neither Red, Green, Red-Violet nor the Auric Blue of the Body are to be seen; nothing but hardly perceptible vibrations of the golden-hued Prana principle and a violet flame streaked with gold rushing upwards from the head, in the region where the Third Eye rests, and culminating in a point. .... "

On the other hand, in a subject in an artificially produced hypnotic or mesmeric trance, an effect of unconscious when not of conscious Black Magic, unless produced by a high Adept, the whole set of the principles will be present, with the Higher Manas paralyzed. Buddhi severed from it through that paralysis, and the red-violet Astral Body entirely subjected to the Lower Manas and Kama-Rupa. (the green and red animal monsters in us.)

Hypnosis and meditation are completely different – different sides of the same coin. Most do not know the true power of hypnosis. Under hypnosis the hypnotist has complete control over the subject.

By a hypnotist suggesting to you that driving a car, fishing, or watching television is hypnotic, you can relate to that because we are all aware that these activities do in fact influence our consciousness. This in turn helps the hypnotist build rapport with you as you then place your trust in them and you become more open to his or her suggestions. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying all hypnotists or hypnotherapists will be trying to trick you into trance. What I am saying is, that the majority of hypnotists and hypnotherapists believe what they are saying because many of them are not even aware themselves of the true nature of hypnosis. The majority of hypnotists and hypnotherapists will also tell you, "You can't be hypnotised against your will" and secondly, "You would not fundamentally do anything that would contradict your own moral values or ethics."

"THE TRUTH IS - MOST PEOPLE CAN BE HYPNOTISED AGAINST THEIR OWN WILL, AND SOME PEOPLE CAN BE MADE TO DO ANYTHING - DEPENDING UPON THEIR DEPTH OF TRANCE, AND THE SKILL OF THE HYPNOTIST!"

It is 'meditation' that WAKES US UP from the hypnotic trance we are already in.

Is there a good side to hypnosis? If one fully understands the esoteric aspect of hypnosis and knows how to use the poison for the betterment of a human being then it is Nectar, and it is called alchemy.

satchitananda ~ jeremy