Very strange dream. . .

[Guest guest]

Yesterday morning had such a strange intense dream. . .

 

In the dream i was lucid. It has become my experience to be aware of

both the "girl" dreamer/left brain that is the part that fully

experiences the dream, and the "boy" dreamer/right brain that is always

active analyzing as the dream is going on. I was witnessing the action

of the dreamers. The dream started out simple, the "girl" dreamer was

trying to play with a ball with someone. But the body started to have

its own experience and in the dream the body lost the strength to throw

the ball and soon was on the ground in a intense body experience that

felt like a heart failure,panic, or a stroke. The body had no strength

to summoned help and the girl brain was turning the dream into another

dream that went on quite awhile matching the dream material to the body

experience. It was interesting to watch for the dreaming was following

the body's experience. As the dream progress Amma came and was trying

to wake, and calm the body panic. The "boy" dreamer was in his ever

present mode of analysis and was summarizing the fear was from

Electra's second and third chakras, the chest and breath constriction

with panic was from Bill's heart chakra clearing, and the stroke feeling

was Tiffany's body experience of night paralysis. . .These where three

of the group entries i had read about the day before the dream.

Another physcial aspect was that it felt like Kundalini Ma was in the

energetic of the snake and it was Her moving the energetic up through

the body in a mechanism of constriction then upward expansion. As i

watched the girl and boydreamers in their own little dreamscapes,i

could soooo understand the time the girl dreamer turned to the

boydreamer and told him to "shut-up". . .It was like the body had taken

in the experiences from the K members reports and was trying to move

them up and out. The body experience of panic was so strong with the

constriction along with the deep body paralysis in the witnessing i

became concerned for the body. Tried to pull out of it and to break the

paralysis, i know how to do that, but the experience was too strong and

all the levels of fear from the girl and boy dreamers along with the

paralysis and panic could not get the body back or awaken the dreamers

reality. Sriwas with me energetically for the weaving, and he started

trying to energetically awaken the body also with his energetic. . .but

the body continued with it's crisis. . ..

 

Then Diva Luna LaMoon the Cat, jumped on my body and stomped/trampled

really hard all the way up to the head, where she paused long enough to

give my head a big rabbit punch. This brought the body out of the

constriction and paralysis. For years i have known how to move out of

sleep paralysis but this one was so strange with so many things going on

the usual techniques could not touch the state. After Luna punched the

head she circle back on to the bed and lovingly stood on my chest and

glazed in my eyes then curled up and went to sleep. It was quite a thump

but was so thankful for dear Luna . When I came out of it, the body

was exhausted and drained, and the right side was weak. Sri brought in

spiritual energetic aspiration to the heart for about thirty minutes as

i laid and used the breath to vitalized the body. Whew!. . . . Kundalini

Ma intuition told me to drink a cup of tea and to do deep breathing.

Looked at the clock and it was 5:30 am. . . . I woke Luna up with a

gentle thump to the head and gave her some treats. . .

 

Luna has never woke me like this before. She must of sensed the

distress and did what she could to help her human? She got lots of

treats yesterday. . .

 

Whew! Saved by a rabbit punch from The Cat. . .

 

I have come to the place in dreaming that i do not identify with the

dreamer and the analysis while dreaming but reside with the witnessing,

but this left me with the question was the body having an independent

experience based on some kind of body inteligence or was the body's

experience being manifested by Kundalini Ma's utilization of the body?

 

Any feedback would be appreciated and the "boy" analysis is always based

on what he knows based on some past experience, intelligence, knowledge, or intuit

based on that, so i have learned to be a bit questioning of his

analysis??? Analysis always wants to put things in a frame, and i do not

know if he truly has the capacity to frame the world of K Ma. . . .???

 

ordinary sparrow

[Guest guest]

> experience based on some kind of body inteligence or was the body's

> experience being manifested by Kundalini Ma's utilization of the body?

 

@@ It was both as they are not separate. Body intelligence is part of Kundalini

intelligence. And also this was a manifestation of " matching experience " with

those that you have been corresponding with or reading about. A way of

experiencing their issues from the vantage point of internalizing them. I would

suggest making an intentional separation as you help others along their path.

This is what I feel is being called for. Doesnt mean this will replicate over

and over merely that separations of experience can be helpful to maintain a

distance that allows one to go in a persons experience and then to fully exit it

without being pulled right back into the experiences.

 

As you are Kundalini awakened you will find this kind of " Matching Experience "

easy to do and in this way do ai sometimes go into the individuals experiences.

It is as the " Shamanistic Journeys " where we are one with the other person and

helping them to be aware and yet even in the Shamanic cultures the Shamans often

use the " power animals " as the seers of the way without the medicine woman (in

your case) getting into the details of the experience. Taking their guidance

over the individual ego.

 

In other ways this can be used as a way of surgery for an individual or as a

method of soul retrieval. But once again the power of the Kundalini in others is

tremendous. So will their fears be as potent. It can be a good idea to do this

with others but keeping in mind when it is best to stand back and only reach

into another with a very fine tendril of holy presence as we have all walked

similar paths in this life and in others. By going in with gentle presence we

are able to " enter their weave " without getting caught up in it.

 

Girl and Boy consciousness can be woven into a single dual gendered and singluar

expression. With Kundalini a much more " Whole Brained " expression is available

without confining certain parts of the brain to specific tasks relegated by our

limited understandings of gender based responsibilities. Perhaps time to move

beyond that. Or not just a thought. @@ - blessings dear sparrow! - chrism

 

 

 

, " ordinarysparrow "

<ordinarysparrow wrote:

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> Yesterday morning had such a strange intense dream. . .

[Guest guest]

Namaste

 

Thanks Chrism. . i hear what you are saying. . .the strange thing about

this was it was not in waking consciousness. . .and in waking

consciousness truly follow what you are saying and do abide and have

learned the ability to work with energetic world and keep clear and

disconnected.

 

as far as the dual consciousness, i probably did not explain well. . .I

consistently identify with the witnessing function in dreaming which i

experience as the true consciousness that is able to lucidly be aware of

the mechanism of the life and right brain. . .There is no investment in

the dreamers. . .more like holding consciousness of the energetic Tao

symbol of yin/yang, left/right brain and not identifying with them but

rather the identification is with the circle that holds all phenomena,

or at least that is where lucid dreaming has taken me. . .when i talked

to my teacher about how i dream was told this kind of dream

consciousness is sign that full consciousness is near. . .but the

activation of the body during dream time was something new and

unexpected. . .there was so many things going on at once and that was a

new challenge. . .

 

thanks ever so much for your thoughts

 

love and light

ordinary sparrow

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> > experience based on some kind of body inteligence or was the body's

> > experience being manifested by Kundalini Ma's utilization of the

body?

>

> @@ It was both as they are not separate. Body intelligence is part of

Kundalini intelligence. And also this was a manifestation of " matching

experience " with those that you have been corresponding with or reading

about. A way of experiencing their issues from the vantage point of

internalizing them. I would suggest making an intentional separation as

you help others along their path. This is what I feel is being called

for. Doesnt mean this will replicate over and over merely that

separations of experience can be helpful to maintain a distance that

allows one to go in a persons experience and then to fully exit it

without being pulled right back into the experiences.

>

> As you are Kundalini awakened you will find this kind of " Matching

Experience " easy to do and in this way do ai sometimes go into the

individuals experiences. It is as the " Shamanistic Journeys " where we

are one with the other person and helping them to be aware and yet even

in the Shamanic cultures the Shamans often use the " power animals " as

the seers of the way without the medicine woman (in your case) getting

into the details of the experience. Taking their guidance over the

individual ego.

>

> In other ways this can be used as a way of surgery for an individual

or as a method of soul retrieval. But once again the power of the

Kundalini in others is tremendous. So will their fears be as potent. It

can be a good idea to do this with others but keeping in mind when it is

best to stand back and only reach into another with a very fine tendril

of holy presence as we have all walked similar paths in this life and in

others. By going in with gentle presence we are able to " enter their

weave " without getting caught up in it.

>

> Girl and Boy consciousness can be woven into a single dual gendered

and singluar expression. With Kundalini a much more " Whole Brained "

expression is available without confining certain parts of the brain to

specific tasks relegated by our limited understandings of gender based

responsibilities. Perhaps time to move beyond that. Or not just a

thought. @@ - blessings dear sparrow! - chrism

>

>

>

> ,

" ordinarysparrow " ordinarysparrow@ wrote:

> >

> > Yesterday morning had such a strange intense dream. . .

>

[Guest guest]

, " ordinarysparrow "

<ordinarysparrow wrote:

>

> Namaste

>

> Thanks Chrism. . i hear what you are saying. . .the strange thing

about

> this was it was not in waking consciousness. . .and in waking

> consciousness truly follow what you are saying and do abide and have

> learned the ability to work with energetic world and keep clear and

> disconnected.

>

> as far as the dual consciousness, i probably did not explain well. .

..I

> consistently identify with the witnessing function in dreaming which i

> experience as the true consciousness that is able to lucidly be aware

of

> the mechanism of the life and right brain. . .In the regular lucid

state there is no investment in

> the dreamers the one that dreams and the one that analysis. . . The

image that i experience is more like holding consciousness of the

energetic Tao

> symbol of yin/yang, left/right brain and not identifying with them but

> rather the identification is with the circle that holds all phenomena,

> or at least that is where lucid dreaming has taken me. . . I call them

girl/ boy for one is working with direct experience and the other is

more cognitive and analytical with its ongoing analysis while the dreams

take place. . . It is not about gender or sex for me. . . and the

abiliity to witness both of them came after the integration of the

masculine femimine. . .when i talked to my teacher about how i dream was

told this kind of dream

> consciousness is sign that full consciousness is near. . .but the

> activation of the body during dream time was something new and

> unexpected. . .there was so many things going on at once and it was a

> new challenge. . .and in lucid dreaming and residing with the witness

or the oversoul i do not normally find the body's involvement such as

this experience. . .

 

It was strange and do not have the language to communicate it very well.

.. .

>

> thanks ever so much for your thoughts and input on this. . and in

truth i have no desire for K Ma to do this while i am sleeping, so i

will take your suggestion and set an intent for Her to not allow the

body to open this way except when there in a conscious non sleeping mode

and request. . .i really honor boundaries and feel what occurred pushed

my own frames once again. . .But then Ma has a way of doing that . .

..Maybe i am being challenged to view another dimension of Kundalini Ma.

.. .and she will reveal at a deeper level what it was about

>

> love and light

> ordinary sparrow

>

>

> , " chrism "

> @ wrote:

> >

> > > experience based on some kind of body inteligence or was the

body's

> > > experience being manifested by Kundalini Ma's utilization of the

> body?

> >

> > @@ It was both as they are not separate. Body intelligence is part

of

> Kundalini intelligence. And also this was a manifestation of " matching

> experience " with those that you have been corresponding with or

reading

> about. A way of experiencing their issues from the vantage point of

> internalizing them. I would suggest making an intentional separation

as

> you help others along their path. This is what I feel is being called

> for. Doesn't mean this will replicate over and over merely that

> separations of experience can be helpful to maintain a distance that

> allows one to go in a persons experience and then to fully exit it

> without being pulled right back into the experiences.

> >

> > As you are Kundalini awakened you will find this kind of " Matching

> Experience " easy to do and in this way do ai sometimes go into the

> individuals experiences. It is as the " Shamanistic Journeys " where we

> are one with the other person and helping them to be aware and yet

even

> in the Shamanic cultures the Shamans often use the " power animals " as

> the seers of the way without the medicine woman (in your case) getting

> into the details of the experience. Taking their guidance over the

> individual ego.

> >

> > In other ways this can be used as a way of surgery for an individual

> or as a method of soul retrieval. But once again the power of the

> Kundalini in others is tremendous. So will their fears be as potent.

It

> can be a good idea to do this with others but keeping in mind when it

is

> best to stand back and only reach into another with a very fine

tendril

> of holy presence as we have all walked similar paths in this life and

in

> others. By going in with gentle presence we are able to " enter their

> weave " without getting caught up in it.

> >

> > Girl and Boy consciousness can be woven into a single dual gendered

> and singluar expression. With Kundalini a much more " Whole Brained "

> expression is available without confining certain parts of the brain

to

> specific tasks relegated by our limited understandings of gender based

> responsibilities. Perhaps time to move beyond that. Or not just a

> thought. @@ - blessings dear sparrow! - chrism

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> " ordinarysparrow " ordinarysparrow@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Yesterday morning had such a strange intense dream. . .

> >

>

[Guest guest]

When I am in a Lucid dream I have found that for me there is the aspect of the

" waking consciousness " intact within the lucid dream state. I have also been in

the lucid dream witness state and in that state I have found that what I was

witnessing was to be had by me witnessing it and (i) could not change it no

matter how (i) may have wished to. - We are all teachers for each other and

yours is a blessed teaching sparrow. Thank you for your wonderful sharing! -

chrism

 

 

, " ordinarysparrow "

<ordinarysparrow wrote:

>

> Namaste

>Thanks Chrism. . i hear what you are saying. . .the strange thing about this

was it was not in waking consciousness.

[Guest guest]

Kundalini experiences will often defy the shortcomings of language and words.

For me at least! - lol! - chrism

[Guest guest]

>Kundalini experiences will often defy the shortcomings of language and words.

For me at least! - lol! - chrism

 

Yes, I agree!

 

Best, Angelina

 

 

 

 

, " chrism " <>

wrote:

>

> Kundalini experiences will often defy the shortcomings of language and words.

For me at least! - lol! - chrism

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste

 

dear Chrism

 

thanks for you... . your input much appreciated. . i posted the dream

earlier today two times, and two times withdrew the posting. . . then it

appeared again. . . i wanted feed back but also was uncomfortable with

the experience of the dream and truly do not feel comfortable with Ma

taking on other's energetics without honoring boundaries. . .so i truly

wanted to reject the internal analysis that came while it was going on.

..

 

i think the changing experiences of dreaming have been most interesting

on the K journey. . .and dream awareness experiences with levels of

lucidity continue to move into deeper levels of consciousness and the

actual dream material becomes secondary. . .

 

as always much honor and gratitude

ordinary sparrow

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> When I am in a Lucid dream I have found that for me there is the

aspect of the " waking consciousness " intact within the lucid dream

state. I have also been in the lucid dream witness state and in that

state I have found that what I was witnessing was to be had by me

witnessing it and (i) could not change it no matter how (i) may have

wished to. - We are all teachers for each other and yours is a blessed

teaching sparrow. Thank you for your wonderful sharing! - chrism

>

>

> ,

" ordinarysparrow " ordinarysparrow@ wrote:

> >

> > Namaste

> >Thanks Chrism. . i hear what you are saying. . .the strange thing

about this was it was not in waking consciousness.

>

[Guest guest]

For me I am not at all sure that the Kundalini in me will respect boundaries in

the way that a waking consciousness may intend or expect. It is about learning

in my humble opinion. Kundalini will show a person by experience and by direct

involvement with the expanded awareness. Sometimes the (i) of us and others are

mere pawns in a teaching that is far and away beyond the dualities that are

bounded in the earth based consciousness.

As far as I and (i) am concerned Kundalini is in charge and ai will go where she

takes me whether or not ai can understand or appreciate what it is she is

teaching. - many blessings to one and all! - chrism

 

 

 

, " ordinarysparrow "

<ordinarysparrow wrote:

truly do not feel comfortable with Ma

> taking on other's energetics without honoring boundaries. .

[Guest guest]

Namste

 

ooce again thanks. . i am okay with the collective, but because of the

experience that i had ten years ago with the church folks, boundaries

have been a bit of a issue i am sure. . .and maybe that is what Ma was

trying to show. . .for i know what you say is true. . .and the illusion

of separation do crumble in Her world. . .and truly like you Ma is one i

surrender to each day. . .and my. . .mine. . .is the biggest illusion. .

..

 

Chrism finally after over ten years i had watermelon this week. . .it

was so very wonderful. . .For the past year when i was reading the

entries of watermelon would find my mouth watering. . .I grew up with a

big patch of watermelons each summer as a kid. . .the really good kinds.

.. . black diamond and desert kings where my favorites. . .my dad would

get so upset with us kids for going down to the melon patch first thing

in the morning and busting one open. He would tell us it would draw the

coyotes to the patch. . .like they did not already know!. . so this week

it was really nice to experience melon and you are right the body

really liked it. . .

 

thanks and many blessings

ordinary sparrow

 

 

, " chrism "

<> wrote:

>

> For me I am not at all sure that the Kundalini in me will respect

boundaries in the way that a waking consciousness may intend or expect.

It is about learning in my humble opinion. Kundalini will show a person

by experience and by direct involvement with the expanded awareness.

Sometimes the (i) of us and others are mere pawns in a teaching that is

far and away beyond the dualities that are bounded in the earth based

consciousness.

> As far as I and (i) am concerned Kundalini is in charge and ai will go

where she takes me whether or not ai can understand or appreciate what

it is she is teaching. - many blessings to one and all! - chrism

>

>

>

> ,

" ordinarysparrow " ordinarysparrow@ wrote:

> truly do not feel comfortable with Ma

> > taking on other's energetics without honoring boundaries. .

>

[Guest guest]

Ordinary Sparrow,

 

Yesterday, came across this article on Minoan Snake Goddess, I laughed to see

the statue of the goddess holding a snake in each hand, with a *cat* sitting on

top of her head! and thought of your cat's role in awakening you from a dream

with a kick to the head. Yeh, they know their bizniz.

 

See http://witcombe.sbc.edu/snakegoddess/

 

Namasté

 

~Delia

 

" As below, so above; and as above so below. With this knowledge alone you may

work miracles. And since all things exist in and emanate from the ONE Who is the

ultimate Cause, so all things are born after their kind from this ONE. " ~The

Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus

 

-- In , " ordinarysparrow "

<ordinarysparrow wrote:

>

> Yesterday morning had such a strange intense dream. . .

>

> <snipped>

> Then Diva Luna LaMoon the Cat, jumped on my body and stomped/trampled

> really hard all the way up to the head, where she paused long enough to

> give my head a big rabbit punch. <snip>

>

> Luna has never woke me like this before. She must of sensed the

> distress and did what she could to help her human? She got lots of

> treats yesterday. . .

>

> Whew! Saved by a rabbit punch from The Cat. . .

>

> ordinary sparrow

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste

 

dear Delia

 

thanks for sharing the awareness about the Snake Goddess, i have seen

that statue before but had not focused on the cat sitting on the head. .

..how very interesting. .

 

thanks

love and light

ordinary sparrow

, " idelos "

<gypsy.eire wrote:

>

> Ordinary Sparrow,

>

> Yesterday, came across this article on Minoan Snake Goddess, I laughed

to see the statue of the goddess holding a snake in each hand, with a

*cat* sitting on top of her head! and thought of your cat's role in

awakening you from a dream with a kick to the head. Yeh, they know their

bizniz.

>

> See http://witcombe.sbc.edu/snakegoddess/

>

> Namasté

>

> ~Delia

>

> " As below, so above; and as above so below. With this knowledge alone

you may work miracles. And since all things exist in and emanate from

the ONE Who is the ultimate Cause, so all things are born after their

kind from this ONE. " ~The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus

>

> -- In , " ordinarysparrow "

ordinarysparrow@ wrote:

> >

> > Yesterday morning had such a strange intense dream. . .

> >

> > <snipped>

> > Then Diva Luna LaMoon the Cat, jumped on my body and

stomped/trampled

> > really hard all the way up to the head, where she paused long enough

to

> > give my head a big rabbit punch. <snip>

> >

> > Luna has never woke me like this before. She must of sensed the

> > distress and did what she could to help her human? She got lots of

> > treats yesterday. . .

> >

> > Whew! Saved by a rabbit punch from The Cat. . .

> >

> > ordinary sparrow

> >

>