Steps to forgiveness

[Guest guest]

I'm really focusing on forgiveness these days, but I notice some issues keep

coming up. Hurts keep coming up over and over. Something I feel I've forgiven,

later will come back either by a similar situation happening, or even just a

different situation causing my brain to start thinking back to other hurts by

the same person. Hurts I thought I'd previously forgiven someone for.

 

I'm just wondering what you all do in your own practice of forgiveness to

" really " get over certain things?

[Guest guest]

Hi Mika,

 

Forgiveness can be a sticky issue, and there is a process I usually go through

to arrive at the point of 'let go'. Let me use a realtivly small situation that

happened to me this work. When working in a team, I feel all the team members

should be given credit and acknoweldgment for the work done and for their

creative inout, and what ticks me off is when one member tries to take undue

credit for themself or take ownership of what was a joint effort. In a nutshell,

each person brings something unique to the table and in a win-win situation, is

rightfully honored.

 

This was something that happened this last week with someone who is a close

friend, and I found myself surprisingly angry with her for being (what I

percieved) as selfish and self-centered, and for violating both teamwork and

friendship values of sharing. The issue kept on going around in my head, and

that also bugged me as I didnt want to be stuck in a 'head trip' over this and

wanted to let it go and move on.

 

I begin with the assumption, that everyone is right in their world, and

everyone, at some level, fundamentally wants to avoid pain and find happpiness.

So, I first honored my anger, as a response to protect something which I value,

and, in private (not with her there), I got really mad at her and said whatever

I wanted to say, coming from that seperate egoic self sense part of me that had

been violated.

 

Then, I imagine myself in her world, seeing the world and feeling the world

through her eyes and thoughts and body, and from that world space, i try and

find the reason why she did what she did to avoid herself furthur pain. This

creates a resonance for her perspective, and then a compassion for her behaviour

and a compassion for how her behavior creates suffering in both herself and the

people around her.

 

That process often takes the 'charge' out of the situation, particularly when I

really feel the compassion for their action. Once that happens, I then just stay

present, and if the inner dialoague keeps coming back to me without too much

innner charge, I notice it and surrender it to my higher self, and then refocus

on whatever positive thing I may be doing. If the charge is not gone, then I

repeat the process.

 

hope that helps

love

Bruce

 

, " Mika " <mikalarson

wrote:

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> I'm really focusing on forgiveness these days, but I notice some issues keep

coming up. Hurts keep coming up over and over. Something I feel I've forgiven,

later will come back either by a similar situation happening, or even just a

different situation causing my brain to start thinking back to other hurts by

the same person. Hurts I thought I'd previously forgiven someone for.

>

> I'm just wondering what you all do in your own practice of forgiveness to

" really " get over certain things?

>

[Guest guest]

It isnt a one time attempt. We build up layers and layers of hurt over our time

in life and even though we can begin to to loosen these issues we must go over

them again and again even if our " ego mind " thinks it is done it most likely

isnt.

 

Due to the strength of your Shaktipat my dear more issues will be brought up.

 

Remembrances will continue and do not expect many years of compressed hurt

feelings to to clear just for the immediate intention of it. Write down these

forgivings. Write them and repeat them and make it real and sincere and do it

over and over and over for as long as it takes. If the issue surfaces again then

just keep at it until it no longer comes back. This is what works for me. -

blessings dear Rockin Squirrel! -chrism

 

 

, " Mika " <mikalarson

wrote:

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> I'm really focusing on forgiveness these days, but I notice some issues keep

coming up. Hurts keep coming up over and over.

[Guest guest]

For me it was more like a rational forgiveness. I forgave all the hurt that I and others have caused. However I also knew that in forgiveness it wasn't an open invitation for the same indiscretions to keep occurring. It is hard at first, especially for things that other people have done to hurt me. But then I realized that they too were conditioned by their environment; and if I deserved forgiveness, then they do too. People make mistakes and no, you don't have to keep letting people hurt you. That would be unhealthy. You have to be responsible for yourself and perhaps take on a new perspective. Perhaps look at them as victims too. There is no black and white and people make mistakes. Perhaps they just haven't seen the light yet. Perhaps they may never in this life. All you can do is keep your heart open to them for when/if they do come around. And when they do, you will no longer have the disease of resentment to destroy and anger you. You will love them as you love yourself. It's all about perspective.

 

I don't know if this will help you, but it's how it became easy for me.

 

 

 

-

Mika

Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:56 PM

Steps to forgiveness

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste

 

dear Mika

 

i think the issue of forgiveness is perhaps the most important concept

we can master on the spiritual journey. . . truly it is a process. .

..and when Jesus was asked, " how many times must i forgive my brother? "

and the reply was; something like 7x70, validates the process of it. . .

 

Mike have found The Course of Miracles to be a rich source on the

subject of forgiveness, and will attempt to write a bit how forgiveness

is viewed from that language, as i understand it. . .

 

the reason issues of forgiveness are such fertile ground for spiritual

release and growth is because forgiveness cannot be mastered at the

level of it effect, such as the wound, judgment, or experience of

victim or victimize, or put more simply forgiveness is not possible at

the egoic level. . . . Ego is about judgment, comparison, hierarchy,

or condemnation to name a few. . . The egoic will seize any and every

opportunity to indicate we are separate and not " at-one-ment " with

another. . .and for forgiveness to occur at the deepest most profound

levels we have to move to " atonement " . . .which is " at-one-ment "

with that being the Higher self/Christ consciousness/ and in that realm

all is one. . . Only in the egoic realms can we carry blame, shame,

judgment for those are the illusions of separation,thus the laws cause

and effect/and eye for an eye. . .when we hold other's that have

wronged us or ourself under the laws of karma, we are in fact keeping

ourself bound by those same rules. . . but when we release the other, we

are in fact releasing our own self. . . to the higher spiritual, which

is grace, and grace is govoroned by love and forgiveness. . .The Course

says, no one enters heaven alone, but everytime we forgive the

" symbolic " doors of heaven open and we are allowed to walk into heaven

2x2, together with our brother, never alone. . . .that is the miracle of

love the miracle of Christ, and miracle of forgiveness aligns our

oneness with Christ within. Unforgiveness is a imprisionment into the

lower self and forgivenss is a direct ticket to Christ consciousness or

Higher Self awareness. . . Mika i share this because it has been really

benefical for me to experience the profound release that occurs with

forgiveness and when i am stuck somewhere with the K or at the mental

levels, the first question i ask, is " who have i not forgiven?', and

attend to that as quick as possible because unforgiveness blocks the

flow and signals which realm i am living from. . . .

 

 

i think one of the reasons forgiveness is so difficult is because we

often spend years trying to forgive a situation or our self by use of

the lower self that in truth creates the unforgiveness and the part

that maintains the wound. . . . we attempt all kinds of

rationalization, understanding and cognitive justification. . .and it

keeps raising it's head because it is judgment based. . .that is the

function of the lower self to make judgment . .and soon we find we are

caught in the repeating cycle of laying it down and picking it back up .

.. . .every forgiveness is a signal that egoic dominance and existence is

dissolving, so there is not going to be much release or healing from the

egoic level, simply because the egoic is built on self-presevation. . .

 

at a personal level, i see forgiveness as my egoic Waterloo, if i really

want the release of forgiveness then i must step out of the lower self,

and ask for the Source that is greater, the Christ presence with in to

come and lift me to the rock that is higher, or the Mind of God. . .

less of me, more of Thee; not i, but Thou. . . Then the grace, the

miracle of tranforming the mind is such a gentle deep release and

healing. . .I know it is not possilbe to call on your Higher Source/Holy

Spirit/Kundalini Ma and not receive help to transform the mind from the

lower self to the higher self. . .For years Mika, i had waded through

the mud and sludge in order to bring healing to myself, and it took all

of those years to realize that i could not address a wound from the

level that it occured or the level that sustains it, and for me healing

comes with surrender to the Holy Spirit or the Higher self, i am

continiously a child lifted into the At-One-Ment. . .and in the space

there is true forgiveness and release for there is only One there, and

it contains every brother and sister and that which i call myself. . .

 

Mika, these are some layers of working thru to forgiveness that has

benefited me. . .and i also think it very important each person peel

through their layers of resistance, for the experience and process of

defeat is what brings forth the deep surrender. . .if we move into an

intellectual forgiveness without doing the deeper work of feelings and

identifying the scripts that where set from the wounds then we can

easily move into something called spiritual bypass and the blocks remain

unhealed and buried like land mines/minds. . . truly it is a process. .

.. .but such fertile ground for claiming the truth or our beingness. .

 

Mika i wish you well on all that you hold near and dear. . .

 

love and light

ordinary sparrow

, " Mika "

<mikalarson wrote:

>

> I'm really focusing on forgiveness these days, but I notice some

issues keep coming up. Hurts keep coming up over and over. Something I

feel I've forgiven, later will come back either by a similar situation

happening, or even just a different situation causing my brain to start

thinking back to other hurts by the same person. Hurts I thought I'd

previously forgiven someone for.

>

> I'm just wondering what you all do in your own practice of forgiveness

to " really " get over certain things?

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bruce;

 

Your technique is very helpful and I am going to use this method. I always try

to put myself in the other persons point of view, to understand why they said or

acted a certain way. This does cut down on the anger, because I realize that it

is usually something that I can relate to or that I would probably react in the

same way if I was in their situation.

 

Kevin

 

 

>

> Forgiveness can be a sticky issue, and there is a process I usually go through

to arrive at the point of 'let go'.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mika - forgiveness is anything but simple or easy and issues do resurface.

Initially I found that each time an issue resurfaced and I 'rationalised' it,

the magnitude diminished and it was put further back into the recesses of my

mind. But often they would linger there and resurface yet again driven by some

trigger. While working on determining exactly who and what I really am and what

my purpose in life is, the clarity that came with that realisation also brought

with it a much clearer understanding and appreciation of just why those hurtful

issues arose in the first place - what was the lesson, what was I to learn from

them. Suddenly in that context all becomes crystal clear as does the very

definitive understanding of just how those hurtful issues came into being and

what their real purpose actually was. Having got to that point forgiveness

becomes very much a matter of understanding and comprehension and becomes the

natural and only thing to do - the hurt dissappears. The only thing that could

change that in any way would be ego interference which we all strive to

'manage'. Round about approach and solution, but it when I was seeking those

answers to my being, the truths that came with it also opened the doors to true

forgiveness! Sometimes the answers don't appear as we expect or where we are

looking for them! blessings - Jonathan

 

, " Mika " <mikalarson

wrote:

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> I'm really focusing on forgiveness these days, but I notice some issues keep

coming up.

[Guest guest]

Mika,

I too am working diligently with forgiveness within the realm of the Safties.

Things keep coming up over and over and I feel there is a struggle between my

Divine self (which is willing to forgive) and my Ego (anger, revenge, hate).

 

I had a breakthrough today which really helped me. As I meditated on forgiving

I did the following:

 

Forgave those who did wrong to me, then immediately turned my back and

visualized God nodding his head in approval. Put his hands up and delivered to

me white light of Divine Love. Around me, the Archangels sang and told me they

will further work with me to maintain this state of love. As I did this I

actually felt tinggling on the left side of my face and it validated my

connection to the Divine. As I looked back for a moment, I heard those who I

forgave lovingly thanking me, as tears rolled off their face. I also asked God

for forgiveness and heard his say " You have been forgiven for all that you did,

and will be forgiven for all that you do " . Such a loving God.

 

Our inner world has so much to offer and you can create any reality you wish.

To me, this inner world is one of my realities and it is at this level that I

connect to the Divine. We are all creators and let us all create a world of

love and peace. It is in this inner world that we may manifest anyting we wish

and draw it into our physical realm.

 

After creating this reality in my mind, it seemed that a load was removed off my

shoulders. I will continue to manifest this reality everytime I meditate.

 

Go ahead and do it and let me know how it works for you.

 

Be Well and Blessings,

Ernie

 

, " Mika " <mikalarson

wrote:

>

> I'm really focusing on forgiveness these days, but I notice some issues keep

coming up. Hurts keep coming up over and over. Something I feel I've forgiven,

later will come back either by a similar situation happening, or even just a

different situation causing my brain to start thinking back to other hurts by

the same person. Hurts I thought I'd previously forgiven someone for.

>

> I'm just wondering what you all do in your own practice of forgiveness to

" really " get over certain things?

>