Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 I've been doing voice dialog and shadow reintegration techniques for a while (shadow for a month and voice dialog for at least 3 months) and one thing that has never eased up is the intensity of energy I feel the more I can identify with a perspective and in a sense put the self aside for a short time. The more I can step into and become a voice (say anger, fear, the damaged self, the protector, etc), the more instense the energy to where it's painful at times. Then it gets really hard to concentrate on that voice and go deeper into it, and the only thing that's in my awareness is this intense energy going up my spine and into my heart and brain (more so in my brain). Whats going on here? am I releasing blocks by shifting perspectives? It's really intense and hasn't let up since beginning voice dialog (I do it about once a week). Sometimes I can push through, but other times I'm just staying as present as I can be through this heat and intensity... Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2009 Report Share Posted May 26, 2009 Hi Craig, from my experience, I found that blocks were released. I also found that an integration period is useful, and if you have been doing that much voice dialogue, maybe give it a break for a month or so and just notice what voices and responses arise naturally through the day. You can keep pushing through and intensifying the energy (do you ever do Focus Intensity Training?).. I found that the same principle of physical training applies, of focusing the energy into a specific contraction,exccept here its one of the ego voices that is 'the contraction'.. take care Bruce , " kundaflame " <kundaflame wrote: > > I've been doing voice dialog and shadow reintegration techniques for a while (shadow for a month and voice dialog for at least 3 months) and one thing that has never eased up is the intensity of energy I feel the more I can identify with a perspective and in a sense put the self aside for a short time. The more I can step into and become a voice (say anger, fear, the damaged self, the protector, etc), the more instense the energy to where it's painful at times. Then it gets really hard to concentrate on that voice and go deeper into it, and the only thing that's in my awareness is this intense energy going up my spine and into my heart and brain (more so in my brain). Whats going on here? am I releasing blocks by shifting perspectives? It's really intense and hasn't let up since beginning voice dialog (I do it about once a week). Sometimes I can push through, but other times I'm just staying as present as I can be through this heat and intensity... > > Craig > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 thanks Bruce, Never even crossed my mind to cut back, lol. When I first started I was doing the whole Big Mind process for at least 5 times a week! I have such a drive, so much so that I barely get rest. Well at least I'm becoming more and more aware of it now, instead of being totally lost in it. Integration period, I believe you said to someone before that the best part of banging your head on the wall is when you stop, lol! I keep banging my head, and it feels such a great relief to stop and rest. (I guess the main voice that arises during my day is somewhere between the seeking mind and the mind that seeks the way). Hmmm...I'll have to sit back and see if there are any shadow elements involved, have a feeling there are. Haven't tried the focus intensity training yet besides in the 3 body workout. I'll have a look and see what it's about. namaste craig , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > from my experience, I found that blocks were released. I also found that an integration period is useful, and if you have been doing that much voice dialogue, maybe give it a break for a month or so and just notice what voices and responses arise naturally through the day. > > You can keep pushing through and intensifying the energy (do you ever do Focus Intensity Training?).. I found that the same principle of physical training applies, of focusing the energy into a specific contraction,exccept here its one of the ego voices that is 'the contraction'.. > > take care > Bruce > > , " kundaflame " <kundaflame@> wrote: > > > > I've been doing voice dialog and shadow reintegration techniques for a while (shadow for a month and voice dialog for at least 3 months) and one thing that has never eased up is the intensity of energy I feel the more I can identify with a perspective and in a sense put the self aside for a short time. The more I can step into and become a voice (say anger, fear, the damaged self, the protector, etc), the more instense the energy to where it's painful at times. Then it gets really hard to concentrate on that voice and go deeper into it, and the only thing that's in my awareness is this intense energy going up my spine and into my heart and brain (more so in my brain). Whats going on here? am I releasing blocks by shifting perspectives? It's really intense and hasn't let up since beginning voice dialog (I do it about once a week). Sometimes I can push through, but other times I'm just staying as present as I can be through this heat and intensity... > > > > Craig > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 ahha! I don't trust the process. I feel like if I don't keep 'doing' something, then nothing will ever get done. It's partially true, it needs to be balanced with trusting and surrender. craig , " kundaflame " <kundaflame wrote: > > thanks Bruce, > > Never even crossed my mind to cut back, lol. When I first started I was doing the whole Big Mind process for at least 5 times a week! I have such a drive, so much so that I barely get rest. Well at least I'm becoming more and more aware of it now, instead of being totally lost in it. Integration period, I believe you said to someone before that the best part of banging your head on the wall is when you stop, lol! I keep banging my head, and it feels such a great relief to stop and rest. (I guess the main voice that arises during my day is somewhere between the seeking mind and the mind that seeks the way). Hmmm...I'll have to sit back and see if there are any shadow elements involved, have a feeling there are. > > Haven't tried the focus intensity training yet besides in the 3 body workout. I'll have a look and see what it's about. > > namaste > craig > > > > , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom@> wrote: > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > from my experience, I found that blocks were released. I also found that an integration period is useful, and if you have been doing that much voice dialogue, maybe give it a break for a month or so and just notice what voices and responses arise naturally through the day. > > > > You can keep pushing through and intensifying the energy (do you ever do Focus Intensity Training?).. I found that the same principle of physical training applies, of focusing the energy into a specific contraction,exccept here its one of the ego voices that is 'the contraction'.. > > > > take care > > Bruce > > > > , " kundaflame " <kundaflame@> wrote: > > > > > > I've been doing voice dialog and shadow reintegration techniques for a while (shadow for a month and voice dialog for at least 3 months) and one thing that has never eased up is the intensity of energy I feel the more I can identify with a perspective and in a sense put the self aside for a short time. The more I can step into and become a voice (say anger, fear, the damaged self, the protector, etc), the more instense the energy to where it's painful at times. Then it gets really hard to concentrate on that voice and go deeper into it, and the only thing that's in my awareness is this intense energy going up my spine and into my heart and brain (more so in my brain). Whats going on here? am I releasing blocks by shifting perspectives? It's really intense and hasn't let up since beginning voice dialog (I do it about once a week). Sometimes I can push through, but other times I'm just staying as present as I can be through this heat and intensity... > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 hey Craig, thats great. I found periods of masculine drive, then periods of feminine surrender (thats F.I.T - contract then release) useful in pushing change.. and I am a lot like you..I push hard for a while then let go.. I have been doing voice dialogue this morning.. feeling a need to find the voice of 'fun and laughter' and the voice that is 'blown by the wind'.. haha... feeling a desire to celebrate and play today and not sure how yet... so far watched a video of a crab eating sand and a cat with wings in china.. have a fun day Bruce , " kundaflame " <kundaflame wrote: > > thanks Bruce, > > Never even crossed my mind to cut back, lol. When I first started I was doing the whole Big Mind process for at least 5 times a week! I have such a drive, so much so that I barely get rest. Well at least I'm becoming more and more aware of it now, instead of being totally lost in it. Integration period, I believe you said to someone before that the best part of banging your head on the wall is when you stop, lol! I keep banging my head, and it feels such a great relief to stop and rest. (I guess the main voice that arises during my day is somewhere between the seeking mind and the mind that seeks the way). Hmmm...I'll have to sit back and see if there are any shadow elements involved, have a feeling there are. > > Haven't tried the focus intensity training yet besides in the 3 body workout. I'll have a look and see what it's about. > > namaste > craig > > > > , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom@> wrote: > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > from my experience, I found that blocks were released. I also found that an integration period is useful, and if you have been doing that much voice dialogue, maybe give it a break for a month or so and just notice what voices and responses arise naturally through the day. > > > > You can keep pushing through and intensifying the energy (do you ever do Focus Intensity Training?).. I found that the same principle of physical training applies, of focusing the energy into a specific contraction,exccept here its one of the ego voices that is 'the contraction'.. > > > > take care > > Bruce > > > > , " kundaflame " <kundaflame@> wrote: > > > > > > I've been doing voice dialog and shadow reintegration techniques for a while (shadow for a month and voice dialog for at least 3 months) and one thing that has never eased up is the intensity of energy I feel the more I can identify with a perspective and in a sense put the self aside for a short time. The more I can step into and become a voice (say anger, fear, the damaged self, the protector, etc), the more instense the energy to where it's painful at times. Then it gets really hard to concentrate on that voice and go deeper into it, and the only thing that's in my awareness is this intense energy going up my spine and into my heart and brain (more so in my brain). Whats going on here? am I releasing blocks by shifting perspectives? It's really intense and hasn't let up since beginning voice dialog (I do it about once a week). Sometimes I can push through, but other times I'm just staying as present as I can be through this heat and intensity... > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I can relate to this craig. I feel an inner push to do but know my work right now is to be receptive. My discipline right now is to do my practices and surrender the results. There is a part that wants to control it though, to navigate the process and I have to work at times to keep this part in check. love and blessings, Jan , " kundaflame " <kundaflame wrote: > > ahha! I don't trust the process. I feel like if I don't keep 'doing' something, then nothing will ever get done. It's partially true, it needs to be balanced with trusting and surrender. > > craig > > > > > , " kundaflame " <kundaflame@> wrote: > > > > thanks Bruce, > > > > Never even crossed my mind to cut back, lol. When I first started I was doing the whole Big Mind process for at least 5 times a week! I have such a drive, so much so that I barely get rest. Well at least I'm becoming more and more aware of it now, instead of being totally lost in it. Integration period, I believe you said to someone before that the best part of banging your head on the wall is when you stop, lol! I keep banging my head, and it feels such a great relief to stop and rest. (I guess the main voice that arises during my day is somewhere between the seeking mind and the mind that seeks the way). Hmmm...I'll have to sit back and see if there are any shadow elements involved, have a feeling there are. > > > > Haven't tried the focus intensity training yet besides in the 3 body workout. I'll have a look and see what it's about. > > > > namaste > > craig > > > > > > > > , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > > > from my experience, I found that blocks were released. I also found that an integration period is useful, and if you have been doing that much voice dialogue, maybe give it a break for a month or so and just notice what voices and responses arise naturally through the day. > > > > > > You can keep pushing through and intensifying the energy (do you ever do Focus Intensity Training?).. I found that the same principle of physical training applies, of focusing the energy into a specific contraction,exccept here its one of the ego voices that is 'the contraction'.. > > > > > > take care > > > Bruce > > > > > > , " kundaflame " <kundaflame@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been doing voice dialog and shadow reintegration techniques for a while (shadow for a month and voice dialog for at least 3 months) and one thing that has never eased up is the intensity of energy I feel the more I can identify with a perspective and in a sense put the self aside for a short time. The more I can step into and become a voice (say anger, fear, the damaged self, the protector, etc), the more instense the energy to where it's painful at times. Then it gets really hard to concentrate on that voice and go deeper into it, and the only thing that's in my awareness is this intense energy going up my spine and into my heart and brain (more so in my brain). Whats going on here? am I releasing blocks by shifting perspectives? It's really intense and hasn't let up since beginning voice dialog (I do it about once a week). Sometimes I can push through, but other times I'm just staying as present as I can be through this heat and intensity... > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 yes, i often forget that i'm on a collision course with the Great Spirit, i can't but transform. ah let go and let God, I've found what i've been looking for, now i can surrender, and forget, then surrender again, lol. I've been given a lot of opportunity for forgiveness, for myself each time i loose sight. Well i'll tell you, it's getting way easier to forgive myself much love craig , " Jan " <drjandean wrote: > > I can relate to this craig. I feel an inner push to do but know my work right now is to be receptive. My discipline right now is to do my practices and surrender the results. There is a part that wants to control it though, to navigate the process and I have to work at times to keep this part in check. > love and blessings, > Jan > > , " kundaflame " <kundaflame@> wrote: > > > > ahha! I don't trust the process. I feel like if I don't keep 'doing' something, then nothing will ever get done. It's partially true, it needs to be balanced with trusting and surrender. > > > > craig > > > > > > > > > > , " kundaflame " <kundaflame@> wrote: > > > > > > thanks Bruce, > > > > > > Never even crossed my mind to cut back, lol. When I first started I was doing the whole Big Mind process for at least 5 times a week! I have such a drive, so much so that I barely get rest. Well at least I'm becoming more and more aware of it now, instead of being totally lost in it. Integration period, I believe you said to someone before that the best part of banging your head on the wall is when you stop, lol! I keep banging my head, and it feels such a great relief to stop and rest. (I guess the main voice that arises during my day is somewhere between the seeking mind and the mind that seeks the way). Hmmm...I'll have to sit back and see if there are any shadow elements involved, have a feeling there are. > > > > > > Haven't tried the focus intensity training yet besides in the 3 body workout. I'll have a look and see what it's about. > > > > > > namaste > > > craig > > > > > > > > > > > > , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > > > > > from my experience, I found that blocks were released. I also found that an integration period is useful, and if you have been doing that much voice dialogue, maybe give it a break for a month or so and just notice what voices and responses arise naturally through the day. > > > > > > > > You can keep pushing through and intensifying the energy (do you ever do Focus Intensity Training?).. I found that the same principle of physical training applies, of focusing the energy into a specific contraction,exccept here its one of the ego voices that is 'the contraction'.. > > > > > > > > take care > > > > Bruce > > > > > > > > , " kundaflame " <kundaflame@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've been doing voice dialog and shadow reintegration techniques for a while (shadow for a month and voice dialog for at least 3 months) and one thing that has never eased up is the intensity of energy I feel the more I can identify with a perspective and in a sense put the self aside for a short time. The more I can step into and become a voice (say anger, fear, the damaged self, the protector, etc), the more instense the energy to where it's painful at times. Then it gets really hard to concentrate on that voice and go deeper into it, and the only thing that's in my awareness is this intense energy going up my spine and into my heart and brain (more so in my brain). Whats going on here? am I releasing blocks by shifting perspectives? It's really intense and hasn't let up since beginning voice dialog (I do it about once a week). Sometimes I can push through, but other times I'm just staying as present as I can be through this heat and intensity... > > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 that's one of the best parts of Big Mind, I love getting in touch with my vulnerable child voice, he's been obscured and thrown in the basement for a very, very long time. It's always a joy to reconnect with him, the wonder and beauty, I can understand why Jesus said something about one must be like a child to enter into heaven, it's so authentic, and light. I have a feeling that one aspect of enlightenment is being in touch with this voice regularly, it's like I've finally taken off this boulder I've been carrying on my back. Maybe I should call this voice up occasionally and cultivate my relationship with my vulnerable child. One things for certain, i " ve been taking everything so seriously, it's time to lighten the load today! much love craig , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom wrote: > > hey Craig, > > thats great. I found periods of masculine drive, then periods of feminine surrender (thats F.I.T - contract then release) useful in pushing change.. and I am a lot like you..I push hard for a while then let go.. I have been doing voice dialogue this morning.. feeling a need to find the voice of 'fun and laughter' and the voice that is 'blown by the wind'.. haha... feeling a desire to celebrate and play today and not sure how yet... so far watched a video of a crab eating sand and a cat with wings in china.. > > have a fun day > Bruce > > > > > , " kundaflame " kundaflame@ wrote: > > > > thanks Bruce, > > > > Never even crossed my mind to cut back, lol. When I first started I was doing the whole Big Mind process for at least 5 times a week! I have such a drive, so much so that I barely get rest. Well at least I'm becoming more and more aware of it now, instead of being totally lost in it. Integration period, I believe you said to someone before that the best part of banging your head on the wall is when you stop, lol! I keep banging my head, and it feels such a great relief to stop and rest. (I guess the main voice that arises during my day is somewhere between the seeking mind and the mind that seeks the way). Hmmm...I'll have to sit back and see if there are any shadow elements involved, have a feeling there are. > > > > Haven't tried the focus intensity training yet besides in the 3 body workout. I'll have a look and see what it's about. > > > > namaste > > craig > > > > > > > > , " bruce_oom " <bruce_oom@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Craig, > > > > > > from my experience, I found that blocks were released. I also found that an integration period is useful, and if you have been doing that much voice dialogue, maybe give it a break for a month or so and just notice what voices and responses arise naturally through the day. > > > > > > You can keep pushing through and intensifying the energy (do you ever do Focus Intensity Training?).. I found that the same principle of physical training applies, of focusing the energy into a specific contraction,exccept here its one of the ego voices that is 'the contraction'.. > > > > > > take care > > > Bruce > > > > > > , " kundaflame " <kundaflame@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been doing voice dialog and shadow reintegration techniques for a while (shadow for a month and voice dialog for at least 3 months) and one thing that has never eased up is the intensity of energy I feel the more I can identify with a perspective and in a sense put the self aside for a short time. The more I can step into and become a voice (say anger, fear, the damaged self, the protector, etc), the more instense the energy to where it's painful at times. Then it gets really hard to concentrate on that voice and go deeper into it, and the only thing that's in my awareness is this intense energy going up my spine and into my heart and brain (more so in my brain). Whats going on here? am I releasing blocks by shifting perspectives? It's really intense and hasn't let up since beginning voice dialog (I do it about once a week). Sometimes I can push through, but other times I'm just staying as present as I can be through this heat and intensity... > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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