Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 I woke from this dream last night. I was there looking into this black nothingness. I always thought of the black nothingness you experience in OBEs as the void. In a similar dream back in the fall, Elektra, Paula and I were standing there together looking into this black nothingness. I thought of it then as the void and when I experienced it for a little in an OBE once it did not bother me. It just felt very peaceful there. Is the abyss and the void the same thing? I was just wondering because when I was dreaming this last night a voice spoke and said I would be spending some time in the abyss, that nothingness that I was looking into... The word abyss was a bit fear evoking. I always associated that word with hell and not of a peaceful place of rest. I just wish the male voice had not use the word abyss. Is this going to be some fear test for me? A little bit on the apprehendive side, Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Linda Light and dark are just two sides of the same thing. You can always ask for the light to come to you. Love. Thanks Dell Linda wrote: > I woke from this dream last night. I was there looking into this black nothingness. I always thought of the black nothingness you experience in OBEs as the void. In a similar dream back in the fall, Elektra, Paula and I were standing there together looking into this black nothingness. I thought of it then as the void and when I experienced it for a little in an OBE once it did not bother me. It just felt very peaceful there. > > Is the abyss and the void the same thing? I was just wondering because when I was dreaming this last night a voice spoke and said I would be spending some time in the abyss, that nothingness that I was looking into... The word abyss was a bit fear evoking. I always associated that word with hell and not of a peaceful place of rest. I just wish the male voice had not use the word abyss. Is this going to be some fear test for me? > > A little bit on the apprehendive side, > Linda > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2009 Report Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hey Linda Interesting, an abyss test, what will they think of next? LOL. Think of it as a sensory depravation tank. Where anything seen, heard, felt, tasted, or smelt is of your design. This is truly great IMHO. To be filled with apprehension is the hell part, to cross to the other side is the divine part. I would go with you Linda but then it would no longer be the abyss it would be filled with I. The one that told you that you would be spending time in the abyss must think you are a very adept person and has in someway prepared you for this trip. It is quite an accomplishment to be a walker of the abyss. Here are a few links that " sort of " explain this adventure but they weren't exactly what I was looking for, such short notice and all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyss_(Thelema) Abyss (Thelema) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%27at Da'at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choronzon Choronzon The Choronzon thing doesn't explain it to my satisfaction but it does give you knowledge that this devil is your own alter ego. The desiring part of ego that wishes to be fulfilled in any way it takes. Well not anyway just the ones that it can make you believe are real. Well you go girl and have fun if you need me just call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Hi Linda, I've had what follows, in one of my computer files for a few years and can't recall who wrote it - just let's say it's one person's interpretation: " In meditation practice, we change the focus of our energy that externalizes itself in sense perception, we consciously bring our awareness within, reverse its seemingly natural flow, towards objects, that we avoid and label, very fast, underneath our conscious level. When we first sit for meditation, and close our eyes, generally we hear a lot of thoughts, and see with varying clarity many images, depending on the power we have given to these images by our consciousness We may chase them, thinking of things we may need to do and so on. We can also still hear things and smell things on the physical level, the sense of smell goes first after sight, then physical feeling, yet sound may still be there for a while. Then the awareness, through the practice of refocusing on the breath is brought deeper than the thoughts, and we start to have kind of a conscious dream state, for this is the stuff that dreams are made of, where a lot of non-secators, non-linear, abstract and layered forms and words, just randomly go through our awareness, this is awareness of the sub-conscious, yet we are in a state of witnessing them. This is where we store all our experiences and understandings of those experiences. In this place we aren't even aware of any of the gross senses or time in the usual sense. Then our awareness goes deeper than this, into a void, where feelings hide, subtle deep feelings, mainly fear is the one feeling, fear is the first feeling, after seeming separation from the source, when subtle body consciousness is created, which it doesn't even know that a source of itself exists in this state. This feeling has no definition, for it has no-thing to blame or hold on to about it, it is a self existent feeling, which comes from a sense of incompleteness. Deeper in the void is peace, this we experience in deep dreamless sleep, yet we are unaware of it, in meditation, we bring awareness to this state of deep sleep, and are able to experience this feeling intensely, a deep sense of peace, as the peace, with no sense of form as ego " I " or a sense of time, this is the abode of time, where all time is unified, in deep black space, this is where the power behind the senses gets real rest, yet we are generally unaware of it, so because of this the psyche, doesn't really receive the full benefit of this rest, its just energetic rest, not full-on rest of the psychic instruments as in the peace is not brought fully to the awareness of being, which can then carry this peace back to the material realm. Beyond this void, or causal body is the transcendental state, the state of pure awareness, that is beyond time and space, the True undefined Self, Buddha Nature, God-Consciousness, all pervasive reality, the substratum of existence, core of being, the Tao. In Hinduism, there are many names for this, three names used frequently are Brahman (impersonal absolute reality) and also Mahashunya (great void) or the meditative state Turiya (Transcendental State). This state is so supremely free, it actually exists in all states, as the different states yet is free from them as well. It is supreme and pure consciousness that plays as anger, and joy, within its all pervasive self, plays as individuals that think themselves as separate ego existent beings. The experience of this state is so free from definition, is totally free from concepts, that it really can't be talked about it with defining words, no concepts can attempt to describe it. " ============================= Linda wrote: " I woke from this dream last night. I was there looking into this black nothingness. ...I thought of it then as the void ..it just felt very peaceful there but .... when I was dreaming this last night a voice spoke and said I would be spending some time in the abyss, that nothingness that I was looking into... The word abyss was a bit fear evoking ..... Is this going to be some fear test for me? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 It only becomes a fear test if your response is from fear. That you are being kindly informed of a possible sojourn in the abyss would indicate to me that you are being given an " opportunity to explore " with conscious preparation rather than being thrust into it without warning. (which would be more indicative of a fear test) So congratulations and make sure some gratitude is given to that special voice! This may occur in the dream state so do your best to remember the dreams. The voice you have heard is serving the same function as we are here in the group. One of the main reasons this group is here is for the creation of a place where we can gain understandings without fear and information about the origins of fear within the Kundalini process. Going into the abyss is part of the Kundalini process. I can tell you that for sure most are not warned of an impending time spent exploring the abyss so you are quite unique in that way! - lol! There is no reason to fear. Yes some strange sights and sounds and experiences may occur. But that just makes it interesting! Choose for the glass to be half full in this regard if you feel that you would rather have a positive experience of the abyss Linda. - blessings to you! - chrism > Linda wrote: when I was dreaming this last night a voice > spoke and said I would be spending some time in the abyss, that > nothingness that I was looking into... The word abyss was a bit fear > evoking ..... Is this going to be some fear test for me? " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Dear Linda, It is in the great void in meditation where I find my peace. Where I am finally alone with God, with no outside interruption. It is there I begin to travel, to move around in the darkness, sometimes with stars, sometimes with nothingness. It is in that place I begin to let go. Do not fear the void. It is the Alpha and Omega. It is home. Remember. Namaste, Julie --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Linda <crazycats711 wrote: Linda <crazycats711 Dream of the Void or Abyss Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:23 PM I woke from this dream last night. I was there looking into this black nothingness. I always thought of the black nothingness you experience in OBEs as the void. In a similar dream back in the fall, Elektra, Paula and I were standing there together looking into this black nothingness. I thought of it then as the void and when I experienced it for a little in an OBE once it did not bother me. It just felt very peaceful there. Is the abyss and the void the same thing? I was just wondering because when I was dreaming this last night a voice spoke and said I would be spending some time in the abyss, that nothingness that I was looking into... The word abyss was a bit fear evoking. I always associated that word with hell and not of a peaceful place of rest. I just wish the male voice had not use the word abyss. Is this going to be some fear test for me? A little bit on the apprehendive side, Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Thanks Julie, I have experienced being in the void and it was wonderful. My concern was because the male voice called the black nothingness I was looking into the abyss, not the void. I was wondering if the void and the abyss were the same thing is all because of the black nothingness....the word abyss, I have always associated with hell. I have already had a dream experience of what hell is like. I really perfer not to have a repeat..once was enough! Linda , Julie <jewelport wrote: > > Dear Linda, > It is in the great void in meditation where I find my peace. Where I am finally alone with God, with no outside interruption. It is there I begin to travel, to move around in the darkness, sometimes with stars, sometimes with nothingness. It is in that place I begin to let go. Do not fear the void. It is the Alpha and Omega. It is home. Remember. > > Namaste, > > Julie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 I never thought of light and dark as the same. My thinking...light IS and dark is illusion. Light is always with me, no need to ask for it to come to me. Thanks for your thoughts Dell, something to think about. Linda , PICO TECH <picotech9999 wrote: > > Linda > > Light and dark are just two sides of the same thing. > You can always ask for the light to come to you. > > Love. Thanks > > Dell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 LOL! Interesting Ben. Who are they? Thanks for the chat last night. Linda , " ben_hangen " <ben_hangen wrote: > > Hey Linda > > Interesting, an abyss test, what will they think of next? LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Thank you John for sharing this article. @@@ Then our awareness goes deeper than this, into a void, where feelings hide, subtle deep feelings, mainly fear is the one feeling, fear is thefirst feeling, after seeming separation from the source, when subtlebody consciousness is created, which it doesn't even know that a sourceof itself exists in this state. This feeling has no definition, for ithas no-thing to blame or hold on to about it, it is a self existent feeling, which comes from a sense of incompleteness.@@@ This paragraph brought to my mind the first time I experienced sickness. As I laid there so sick I kept falling asleep and having this huge rolling darkness trying to engulf me. I kept making myself wake up to get away from it. I was afraid if it engulf me I would die. I was so sick I could not get out of bed...with the pig flu back in the 60's. The pig flu was my first illness. I woke up sick this morning. I was exposed to a person who was sick with a cold (I hope that is all it was) this past week. Maybe the dream was just a premonition of my becoming sick today. Who knows! Linda , " " <...> wrote: > > > Hi Linda, I've had what follows, in one of my computer files for a few > years and can't recall who wrote it - just let's say it's one person's > interpretation: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Thank you chrism, if I get to explore the abyss I will try my best to keep it positive for I do not choose consciously to have a negative experience of it. No one actually answered my question of rather the abyss and the void are one and the same thing, i don't think anyways. I would like to have a simple answer like yes it is or no it isn't. And then if they are different expeiences, explain the difference. If they are the same, I just have to wonder why the voice used the word abyss, knowing it would cause a bit of fear or more like apprehension to rise. But then, if he had not use that word, I may not of woke up at that time and even remembered the dreaming or wrote about it here. I am very grateful for the voice and the being it belongs to. I have heard his voice before, many times, I think he as been with me all my life. Blessing & love, Linda , " chrism " <> wrote: > > It only becomes a fear test if your response is from fear. That you are being kindly informed of a possible sojourn in the abyss would indicate to me that you are being given an " opportunity to explore " with conscious preparation rather than being thrust into it without warning. (which would be more indicative of a fear test) So congratulations and make sure some gratitude is given to that special voice! This may occur in the dream state so do your best to remember the dreams. > > The voice you have heard is serving the same function as we are here in the group. One of the main reasons this group is here is for the creation of a place where we can gain understandings without fear and information about the origins of fear within the Kundalini process. Going into the abyss is part of the Kundalini process. I can tell you that for sure most are not warned of an impending time spent exploring the abyss so you are quite unique in that way! - lol! > > There is no reason to fear. Yes some strange sights and sounds and experiences may occur. But that just makes it interesting! Choose for the glass to be half full in this regard if you feel that you would rather have a positive experience of the abyss Linda. - blessings to you! - chrism > > > > Linda wrote: > when I was dreaming this last night a voice > > spoke and said I would be spending some time in the abyss, that > > nothingness that I was looking into... The word abyss was a bit fear > > evoking ..... Is this going to be some fear test for me? " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 For me, light and darkness are definitely different. Grey is always the same, that is the void and abyss for me, where I can get lost. So again, it is just a term. A play on linguisitics. There can be no darkness when the light shines in. But grey is the unknown entity for me, where I wallow around. I have to make the decision to move, either to the light or the darkness. I used to have much of grey in my life, where I made no choices. The longer I seek the spiritual aspect of me, rather than the human, the more there is exposed to the light. I can still choose darkness; but there is much less grey..........less confusion, less question.......... except on my HEAD!!!! that is becoming more grey.............. Julie --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Linda <crazycats711 wrote: Linda <crazycats711 Re: Dream of the Void or Abyss Thursday, May 28, 2009, 11:50 AM I never thought of light and dark as the same. My thinking...light IS and dark is illusion. Light is always with me, no need to ask for it to come to me. Thanks for your thoughts Dell, something to think about. Linda Kundalini-Awakening -Systems- 1 , PICO TECH <picotech9999@ ...> wrote: > > Linda > > Light and dark are just two sides of the same thing. > You can always ask for the light to come to you. > > Love. Thanks > > Dell > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Perhaps the word was carefully selected , a test indeed. All must be released and let go, I guess this can feel as if we are falling in to an abyss, an abyss of nothingness, but from the abyss comes the rebirth. I would say as if all is God how can there be anything to fear? conciousness is what creates our reality so keep your conciousness clear of fear and focused only on the reality of love and thats what you will experience. Thats my humble opinion :-)) Not that I'm an expert LOL HUGS dearie love ya elektra x x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Thanks again Elektra, I like you view on things, expert or not. I do have more surrendering to do and am working on that and the other safties. Thanks for being here and for your encouraging words.. Blessings & love, Linda , Elektra Fire <elektra.fire wrote: > > Perhaps the word was carefully selected , a test indeed. All must be released and let go, I guess this can feel as if we are falling in to an abyss, an abyss of nothingness, but from the abyss comes the rebirth. I would say as if all is God how can there be anything to fear? conciousness is what creates our reality so keep your conciousness clear of fear and focused only on the reality of love and thats what you will experience. > > Thats my humble opinion :-)) Not that I'm an expert LOL > > HUGS dearie > love ya > elektra x x x > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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